User talk:MrPrisen

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Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page. You can edit the whole article by clicking the edit button at the top of the page, which is preferable to editing multiple sections consecutively. { TidB | t | c } 12:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page. You can edit the whole article by clicking the edit button at the top of the page, which is preferable to editing multiple sections consecutively. You've done a lot of edits to Bots and Bots/ru which could've been condensed into a single large edit. { TidB | t | c } 11:28, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page. You can edit the whole article by clicking the edit button at the top of the page, which is preferable to editing multiple sections consecutively. GrampaSwood (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Badlands early development

Hi there,

that stuff is all covered here. You could expand that page and remove the section you've added.
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Moby Francke Conference

Hi,

The video is an interesting lecture. However, we generally don't cover such non-Valve videos as wiki pages. Certainly there are many other videos of the similar sort. This wiki uses them for citations, but don't provide pages for them.

Please see Merge comments on Talk:Moby_Francke_Conference.

I will use this video as citation in Moby_Francke. If you have more information about the presentation, like the actual location, presentation title, conference name, or audience identity, you could add it to the citation.

The video also provides notibilty citation for an NPP page for Jeff Ballinger.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 02:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC) 02:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I see that you might not read this daily; so, I wanted to update you that we completed the merge. It is not that we don't appreciate finding the source, but we would use such things as references, rather than as pages. It has been difficult finding sources for accurate attribution of content to the development artists. Any more sources you can find would be further appreciated. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 18:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Phone pics?

I may have not made the best screen caps in my time, but how were these images you added to Dustbowl made? Video captures?

• File:Dustbowl_oldcontrolpoint.jpg
• File:Dustbowl_old_control_pointb_building.png
• File:Dustbowl_nonexisted_onewaygate.png

It these are to be kept, they really need to be improved, unless these are Valve-produced.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 00:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I have the answer: it's how the pictures were taken by whomever took them. To my recollection we don't have any better pictures from that particular conference or whathaveyou so those are the best we have. So what do you propose should be done now, since there's probably no chance of getting any better quality pictures. The wiki should present those pictures regardless of quality imo. Thefixer2021 (talk) 04:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Fixed, except for the 2nd. I couldn't find a better quality image. MrPrisen (talk) 19:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

A few of these pictures are interesting (and have their own use elsewhere); but with all due respect and acknowledgement for your effort and intent, and there is value to the wiki in finding sources to back up attribution of content, several really aren't interesting. The larger issue is whether there should be any section on prerelease change history of any Team Fortress 2 content. This type of material is expressly not permitted as Trivia, and simply placing it under "Early Development" does not escape the requirements.

"During the development of TF2, Dustbowl changed a lot." This statement is not notable or particularly useful to a user. Is taken as read (may be very safely assumed/go without saying) that every map changes a lot during development, more so the launch games when the game concepts were totally new. What map doesn't change with closed and open play testing?

If you were writing a college thesis on the Development of Dustbowl, then some of the better pictures would be appropriate, but it has not been the objective of the wiki to provide any sort of development history of anything, unless Valve made a limited point about it.

The training version of Dustbowl is its own map and has it own page. Without impeccable citation, stating whether the training version of Dustbowl is an early version of CP Dustbowl, or a later version, or a fork is disallowed speculation.

If the pictures meet the image guidelines, they may be used, but really only for reasonable purpose and extent; a specific gallery of development stages would seem natural, but only for pictures that we have license to use, and accept that other editors may winnow an excessive gallery.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 04:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I will correct all the errors indicated by yours, now I want to talk about the fate of the "Early Development" subarticles.

Where was you a year ago, when I made the first such subarticle in the 2fort page??? I thought that if I was not allowed to do such things, someone from admins would tell me right away, but everything seemed to be fine, and only a year later I was told that I doing something wrong.

Well, okay, what should I do with this information? Where should I move it? And in general, is it worth it?

I planned to make such subarticles on each map page, and well, there isn't much information there. For example, the all information about early development of Granary: there are a couple of concept arts for it, as well as in the June and September builds of TF2 on the first control point there is no a second pipe, as well as no second window. This information is too large for trivia, but too small for an other article, so it is best choice to create an subarticle about early development. And so it goes with almost every other map. It just so happened that Dustbowl had a bunch of different geometric changes that could be devoted to a whole page.

I just don't see such a compelling reason to devote an entire page or gallery of early changes to each map, like these subarticles are part of the information about the maps, these subarticles are its history of creation. As if this article was here for a year, and everything seemed to suit everything, but here you didn’t like something, you have to demolish it.

MrPrisen (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

"Well, okay, what should I do with this information? Where should I move it?" The Team Fortress 2 article(s) @ TCRF.net. Hop in their Discord server as well if you have questions on which namespace something like this should be in (for example they may prefer this info be on the Prerelease: namespace version of the Team Fortress 2 article. You can even fully document source code leak stuff there. Thefixer2021 (talk) 16:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

'Ello you

Question: Discord? Do you have one? Asking for a friend. Thefixer2021 (talk) 05:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)