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Basic strategy

I feel some of the basic strategy pages are in need of review too. Do we add them to this project or wait or a different one? Guybrush20X6 (talk) 16:56, 7 November 2015 (PST)

Add. — The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him!Contribs} 17:02, 7 November 2015 (PST)
We can add it for the time being. The project right know is still a minor work in progress but we're looking into improving all strategy, including smaller stuff like achievements. --Dr. Scaphandre (talk) 17:03, 7 November 2015 (PST)
Ok. I've been updating the Basic Medieval Mode Page. But it still lacks the B.A.S.E. jumper and the Tide Turner. I'll add them later Guybrush20X6 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2015 (PST)
Don't forget the community version of the article. --Dr. Scaphandre (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2015 (PST)
We also need to add these two pages to the list. Guybrush20X6 (talk) 12:21, 8 November 2015 (PST)
I'm already working on a task list for gamemodes, then I'll be making one for each MvM tour. --Dr. Scaphandre (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2015 (PST)

Class Strategy Massive Edits

So recently, a lot of edits have been occurring on the class strategy pages that need to be addressed. With the Tough Break update, they all need review and major work done to them. The questions is what and how? --User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png Dr. Scaphandre 12:59, 30 January 2016 (PST)

Most of all, the recent edits from Hayzze does not reach the wiki quality with follow reasons:
  • It's good to split into small section to clarify each items, but the titles do not match with Style guide. Example like "Original (Reskin with subtle mechanic difference)" or "Situations where having only 3 rockets will not kill you (No sarcasm)".
  • Efficiency Techniques? Gimmick? Usage in actual gameplay? Why we have to put these in? Everyone have their own playstyle, community strategy should be just the guideline that tell the good points and bad points of weapons, not the suggestion of the way to play.
  • Medic Buddies has it own section, don't need to put more.
  • Most of his writing are suggestion and/or personal thought, which is not pass the quality.
These are things I saw on that massive edits, low quality, a lot of useless contents. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 16:10, 30 January 2016 (PST)
The community strategy page is for the community to edit. It is not a proper wiki page or it would have been more organized. Some people wrote the exact same thing twice. Hayzze (talk) 16:49, 30 January 2016 (PST)
Anyway, the things you added are too low quality, have a lot of useless sections and use a lot of your own personal thought. Still, did the massive edit without asking anyone is good for you? I don't think so. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 17:06, 30 January 2016 (PST)
I thought opinion is supposed to be put in there... And you don't care if it is useless, as this is not a real page. I said things were gimmicks that were things unlikely to be used in actual gameplay, etc. spy-checking with a black box. Efficiency Techniques were techniques used with the weapon itself to get the most 'efficiency' such as always reloading. I also included some parts in efficiency related to compensation. The reason I made the Original have extra description was because it needs its own section. The medic buddies and crits section I made was because all those info comments were related in that they talked about crits, medic buddies, or both, so I grouped them. I also think Original should not be considered a reskin from now on. Hayzze (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2016 (PST)
After I sliced every parts you did in that Soldier strategy, here are my point out:
  • Overlink a lot in many parts, which really hard to tell how many of it in those edits.
No idea what this sentence is supposed to mean, sorry. Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
  • Titles are not formal. Why you have to add the "Reskin with subtle mechanic difference" part?
Yeah... My bad. Can we just add a new section for Original and stop calling it a reskin? It has its own unique attribute so I think even if it is supposed to be a reskin, it should have its own mini-section. Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
  • Efficiency Techniques, Specific/Situational Attacks, Gimmicks, Usage in actual gameplay are suggestions, rather than the guide.
Yeah, I was trying to make it legible. Maybe we should delete the redundant things in there... Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
  • We have Weapon Combination section for reason, we don't need to add it in the weapon section.
We do actually, I was mainly rearranging the stuff. I did notice at least 2-7 things in each weapon section were also giving load-out advice (such as 'use a base jumper with airstrike'), and this was probably written by random people, which is why it was all over the place and some stuff was repeated. We should probably move this then. Although can I keep the part in Rocket Jumper where I said to not equip gunboats...? Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
  • Many of your writing is from your thought, not the weapons' attributes themselves.
The problem is that half the information there was already from players' thoughts, such as giving advice to use the shotgun with the Rocket Jumper because they thought it was a good idea. I myself thought because other people had done it then there was no problem... Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
Like I told on your talk page, do the sandbox, edit as much as you want then ask other ('s) opinion (s) and advice[s]. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 17:31, 30 January 2016 (PST)
I don't really know what you mean by a sandbox. I have tried editing a copy of the page in a word document so I can do it all in one edit. However I told you that before the browser/page crashed because it took too long to load all the information. Note that I took several hours to edit it. Hayzze (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2016 (PST)
Anyway, I think that it is still a good idea to organize those pages. (This is getting sort of annoying now. I type 'organise' and it gets a red squiggly line and I have to change it to organize. Then I write 'offence' and then because of consistency with other comments, I have to turn it to offense. Can America please make up its mind? Just make them all 'c', 'z', or 's'. Look, I didn't invent English but this is getting confusing now...) Hayzze (talk) 23:54, 30 January 2016 (PST)