https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Genuine+GAL&feedformat=atomTeam Fortress Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T10:20:17ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.31.10https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=What%27s_in_the_Sandvich_Box%3F&diff=1093076What's in the Sandvich Box?2012-07-19T17:52:38Z<p>Genuine GAL: </p>
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{{Item infobox<br />
| type = action<br />
| image = Backpack What's in the Sandvich Box?.png<br />
| used-by = [[All classes]]<br />
| released = {{w|San Diego Comic-Con International|Comic-Con San Diego 2012}}<br />
| availability = {{tooltip|Distributed <small>(expired)</small>|Purchace at Comic-Con San Diego 2012}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = no<br />
| craft = no<br />
| numbered = no<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1 Package<br />
| item-description = This sealed Sandvich Box will open to reveal its contents at a later date.<br />
| item-uses = 1<br />
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'''What's in the Sandvich Box?''' is an [[action item]] given to the {{w|San Diego Comic-Con International|Comic-Con San Diego 2012}} {{botignore|attendants}} who purchased the 1:1 Sandvich toy made by [[ThreeA Toys]] via an in-game code. <br />
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== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|7|10|2012}}'''<br />
* {{Undocumented}} Added What's in the Sandvich Box? to the game.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[What's in the Companion Square Box?]]<br />
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{{ToolNav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=What%27s_in_the_Companion_Square_Box%3F&diff=1093075What's in the Companion Square Box?2012-07-19T17:51:52Z<p>Genuine GAL: </p>
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{{Item infobox<br />
| type = action<br />
| image = Backpack What's in the Companion Square Box?.png<br />
| used-by = [[All classes]]<br />
| released = {{w|San Diego Comic-Con International|Comic-Con San Diego 2012}}<br />
| availability = {{tooltip|Distributed <small>(expired)</small>|Purchace at Comic-Con San Diego 2012}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = no<br />
| craft = no<br />
| numbered = no<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1 Package<br />
| item-description = This sealed Companion Square Box will open to reveal its contents at a later date.<br />
| item-uses = 1<br />
}}<br />
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'''What's in the Companion Square Box?''' is an [[action item]] given to the {{w|San Diego Comic-Con International|Comic-Con San Diego 2012}} {{botignore|attendants}} who purchased the Companion Square Box toy made by [[ThreeA Toys]] via an in-game code. <br />
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== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|7|10|2012}}'''<br />
* {{Undocumented}} Added What's in the Companion Square Box? to the game.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[What's in the Sandvich Box?]]<br />
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{{ToolNav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EpicEric&diff=1091153User talk:EpicEric2012-07-17T13:16:34Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Did you know… */ new section</p>
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| en = '''If you want to ask me something or discuss anything with me, feel free to post it below! And try to avoid using bold, because I'll use it to answer you if I need to.'''<br />
| pt-br = '''Se quiser me perguntar algo ou discutir qualquer coisa comigo, sinta-se livre para deixar uma mensagem abaixo! E evite usar texto em negrito, já que usarei-o para responder-lhe se precisar.'''<br />
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== MMMMPH MMMPH ==<br />
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AMAZING, COMERADE- I MEAN MMPH MMMMMMMPH [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 01:41, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Meat the pie column. wot. -[[User:RJackson|<span class="modbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]] 06:29, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== It has begun. ==<br />
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[[File:pyro.png|200px]]<br />
''Mmmph-mmmph, mothafucker. '''Mmmph-mmmph.''''' <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]''' ([[User talk:Enthers|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Enthers|contribs]]) 13:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Burning People ==<br />
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Hey there, check this out:<br />
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<gallery widths=150px heights=150px><br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes Sc.png|Scout<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes So.png|Soldier<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes De.png|Demoman<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes He.png|Heavy<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes En.png|Engineer<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes Me.png|Medic<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes Sn.png|Sniper<br />
File:User GordonFrohman Ashes Sp.png|Spy<br />
</gallery><br />
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I think classes should be visible. And yeah, small tip on Medic's picture ;). '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 06:12, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Mmmmph Mmmmph ==<br />
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That Pyro loves saying random nonsense.<br />
[[User:RED Mart Security|RED Mart Security]] 21:17, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== I need some help with that Por<s>n</s>tuguese of yours ==<br />
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[[Disciplinary Action/pt-br]] needs an "as a crafting ingredient" section, and you seem like you're the right guy to handle the hoovy dooty stoof. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:29, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, I recently saw your removal of my Trivia on the Hazmat Headcase. While you are allowed to remove it if you feel it is necessary, I do believe it is relevant to the item. The definition of 'Headcase' combined with it being an item for the Pyro and it being released on the same day that we learned how insane the pyro is, I believe it is worth being noted in the Trivia section. Anyway, thanks for your time.<br />
[[User:LazerEagle1|LazerEagle1]] 23:45, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== agh watdo ==<br />
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Putting the {{tl|backpack item}} discussion in that news template didn't get more people to do it. Having a sitenotice about it would be too far. What do we do? We are runnin' outa op-shinz. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:04, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:vOv Maybe you can ask individual people to add their opinion? Just try not to be invasive/spammy about it. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 02:49, 15 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Yeah, so I'll individually ask a bunch of people without being spammy. (Just in case you dun realize, that's pretty impossibru. :<) Maybe we should consider a simple collapsible sitenotice. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 11:07, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== An idea for alphabetics disambiguation pages ==<br />
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I have an idea for the translation of alphabetics disambiguations pages. See my [[AA/fr|exemple]] (in french) and say me if it's a good idea or not.<br />
[[User:Kero_Zen|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#A50F79 ">Kero Zen</span>]] 04:10, 17 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Did you know… ==<br />
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Hi. There are duplicates in some new facts:<br />
* that the Backburner originally granted a bonus of +50 maximum health?<br />
* that when the Scout double or triple jumps with the Atomizer, he will leave a purple smoke puff behind instead of his regular white trail?<br />
* that the Razorback originally had a -15% movement speed reduction on the wearer?<br />
* that a Scout getting gibbed has a 1 in 100 chance of spawning a dove flying out of his body?<br />
* that the Huntsman, Jarate, and an unpacked crate marked "Razorback" can all be seen in the Meet the Spy video?<br />
They all can be found on page [[Template:Did you know/Previously featured facts]]. Maybe look for other? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:16, 17 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Wingstick&diff=1089583Wingstick2012-07-15T14:35:55Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Wingless (Talk) (1089580) back again</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Engineer_Wingstick.png<br />
| used-by = [[Engineer]]<br />
| equip-region = engineer belt<br />
| released = {{Patch name|8|3|2011}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Promotional|Craft|Drop|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = no<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| loadout-prefix = <br />
| quality = Unique<br />
| level = Level 10 Wearable Wingstick<br />
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{{Quotation|'''The Engineer''' testing ranged weapons|Y'all gotta run a lot faster than that.|sound=Engineer_dominationscout01.wav}}<br />
The '''Wingstick''' is a [[Promotional items|promotional]] [[Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous item]] for the [[Engineer]]. It is a three-bladed propeller with cloth wrapped around one of the blades, hanging from the Engineer's belt next to his orange power cord.<br />
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This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-ordered ''[[RAGE]]'' before 10AM PST on August 8, 2011.<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|3|2011}}'''<br />
* The Wingstick was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|9|2011}}'''<br />
* Updated the Wingstick so it can be purchased/crafted/traded/found.<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Because the Wingstick lacks team-colored yellow, on team BLU the wires attached to the item will not match the colors of the Engineer's power cord.<br />
* The Wingstick's [[Item Level|level]] does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* The Wingstick is featured in the trailers of ''RAGE''; it is a boomerang-like weapon that can be thrown, with the cloth on one end serving as a handle.<br />
*''[http://store.steampowered.com/app/9200/ RAGE]'' was not available for pre-order in Russia, making this item unobtainable in Genuine quality in that region.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Wingstick_handheld_guillotine.png|The Wingstick as it appears in RAGE.<br />
File:Quakecon_steam_promo.PNG|Promotional Steam pop-up for the Wingstick. <br />
File:Engineer_Wingstick_promo.png|Engineer sporting the Wingstick, as illustrated on the RAGE Steam Store page.<br />
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{{Promo nav}}<br />
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{{Engineer Nav}}<br />
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[[Category:Promotional items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:R4wrz0rz0r&diff=1089581User talk:R4wrz0rz0r2012-07-15T14:34:10Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* about your warnings */ new section</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genuine_GAL&diff=1089577User talk:Genuine GAL2012-07-15T14:32:45Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by R4wrz0rz0r (Talk) (1089574) stop give me warnings</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion&diff=1089576Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion2012-07-15T14:32:08Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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{{Discussion archives/2012}}<br />
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
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::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}}. You were told multiple times (some of those times by me) to start this discussion and insisted on bothering someone over email instead of doing it the right way. You've already burned a bridge with me, and this combined with the overall reinvention of the wheel I'm seeing doesn't give me much of a reason to voice support. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}} I honestly do not see the use of a list like this. If someone wanted to search for something but didn't know the exact name of what they were looking for, there are already numerous indices for doing so. On top of which, this is a Wiki, which has a search bar, which does serve a purpose. Finally, you have not presented a plan as to how to enact such a page or list, so unless you do then it simply creates a significant amount of work for others to plan out and execute. --{{User:LordKelvin/Signature}} 19:41, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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It is just an Idea. Nothing has been approved at all yet. I can't go anywhere with this project until something has been approved. So far, I have no approval to actually publish this idea. The only thing I can do is ask for opinions if this would be a good idea. I am now planning to make a new model of the T.O.C on my own user discussion page. The picture was just a pre-view of what it would resemble. I've spent over a two months in the making of the Table of Contents. I'm not willing to give it up now. Let me make an actual wiki page of the real T.O.C, and then consider if it should be put into effect or not. I will also admit that personal emailing was not a good idea. Everything I do from now on will be public, not just to one person. I apologize to WIND for doing this. --{{User:General Cap/signature}}<br />
== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
<br />
[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== should we have a section for MVM? ==<br />
<br />
I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF. <br />
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== City on Fire Item Sets ==<br />
<br />
[[Public Enemy]]<br><br />
[[Urban Professional]]<br><br />
[[Dumpster Diver]]<br />
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Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]]. <br />
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Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?<br />
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Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?<br />
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
It's an item set when the schema says it is. At the moment, it doesn't. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 07:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey guys whats the problem with [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1089264&oldid=1089167 this]? Wtf then the [[Wingstick]]? I think it should be their. Hey editors stop deleting this with no reason. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Plz say something. I dont like IRC i shall never go to talk on it. This guy - Hinaomi - is continuing to remove information. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 05:44, 15 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::If I remember correctly, these "level does not appear in backpack" bugs were around before, and were also removed for the same reason Hinaomi is giving you. In my opinion, the information you posted does not constitute bug-worthy information, nor does it constitute trivia (so don't consider moving it to there, as you were saying to Hinaomi). [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 05:52, 15 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: This is a strange thinking... Its not a clip bug (like "brass beast clips with heavy's hands") that is very common. This is a rare bug which appears only for a few items in the game. So why not to mention it? I think we must do it for other tf2 players. So please stop delete it just because some tf2-wiki-editors think that it is a common bug. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 07:32, 15 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Wingstick&diff=1089575Wingstick2012-07-15T14:27:50Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by R4wrz0rz0r (Talk) (1089573) back again</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Engineer_Wingstick.png<br />
| used-by = [[Engineer]]<br />
| equip-region = engineer belt<br />
| released = {{Patch name|8|3|2011}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Promotional|Craft|Drop|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = no<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| loadout-prefix = <br />
| quality = Unique<br />
| level = Level 10 Wearable Wingstick<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Engineer''' testing ranged weapons|Y'all gotta run a lot faster than that.|sound=Engineer_dominationscout01.wav}}<br />
The '''Wingstick''' is a [[Promotional items|promotional]] [[Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous item]] for the [[Engineer]]. It is a three-bladed propeller with cloth wrapped around one of the blades, hanging from the Engineer's belt next to his orange power cord.<br />
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This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-ordered ''[[RAGE]]'' before 10AM PST on August 8, 2011.<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|3|2011}}'''<br />
* The Wingstick was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|9|2011}}'''<br />
* Updated the Wingstick so it can be purchased/crafted/traded/found.<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Because the Wingstick lacks team-colored yellow, on team BLU the wires attached to the item will not match the colors of the Engineer's power cord.<br />
* The Wingstick's [[Item Level|level]] does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* The Wingstick is featured in the trailers of ''RAGE''; it is a boomerang-like weapon that can be thrown, with the cloth on one end serving as a handle.<br />
*''[http://store.steampowered.com/app/9200/ RAGE]'' was not available for pre-order in Russia, making this item unobtainable in Genuine quality in that region.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Wingstick_handheld_guillotine.png|The Wingstick as it appears in RAGE.<br />
File:Quakecon_steam_promo.PNG|Promotional Steam pop-up for the Wingstick. <br />
File:Engineer_Wingstick_promo.png|Engineer sporting the Wingstick, as illustrated on the RAGE Steam Store page.<br />
</gallery><br />
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{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}<br />
{{Engineer Nav}}<br />
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[[Category:Promotional items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1089542User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-15T12:46:01Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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<div>{{User:Hinaomi/header}}<br />
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{{Talk archive<br />
| arc1name=2011<br />
| arc1link=User talk:Hinaomi/archive1<br />
| arc2name=2012<br />
| arc2link=User talk:Hinaomi/archive2<br />
}}<br />
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
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I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Signature image ==<br />
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The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Edits ==<br />
<br />
Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
<br />
May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
<br />
I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
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So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
<br />
Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
<br />
Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
<br />
Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hostility ==<br />
<br />
Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
<br />
There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
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Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bazooka ==<br />
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Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:If it still exist in that page, [[Lollichop]], [[Unarmed Combat]] and [[Wanga Prick]] should have that too. But they didn't because they were remove before. That's why I removed it. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:42, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Wow! I didnt know that UC and WP has random levels too! SO! Thats why we must add this to trivia (or another section) for all of those 4 weapons. Ill do it ok? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:43, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I said "they were remove before". [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:10, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey use to read first my edit. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 14:59, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:That was there and got removed before, that's why I remove [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 16:31, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What? Look at [[Wingstick]]! --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Also it fit the [[Help:Style guide/Trivia|trivia guidelines]]. Like the Wingstick. Stop delete now. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:06, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Both of you stop. I saw the recent changes page, and it's clearly an edit war. Talk it out on IRC or something and come to a compromise. [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 23:15, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::[http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1017995&oldid=1017977 This] same as your edit and was removed before. And for Mr. Vinderack, It's not a bug (not removed by me) so I'll remove this anyway and on Wingstick page too. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 00:50, 15 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: Hey what are you doing????? Stop it! Why this is not a bug? Move it to trivia then. Alos its is interesting information so it fits the [[Help:Style guide/Trivia|trivia guidelines]]. Stop it i say again. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 05:46, 15 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion&diff=1089541Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion2012-07-15T12:45:49Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}}. You were told multiple times (some of those times by me) to start this discussion and insisted on bothering someone over email instead of doing it the right way. You've already burned a bridge with me, and this combined with the overall reinvention of the wheel I'm seeing doesn't give me much of a reason to voice support. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}} I honestly do not see the use of a list like this. If someone wanted to search for something but didn't know the exact name of what they were looking for, there are already numerous indices for doing so. On top of which, this is a Wiki, which has a search bar, which does serve a purpose. Finally, you have not presented a plan as to how to enact such a page or list, so unless you do then it simply creates a significant amount of work for others to plan out and execute. --{{User:LordKelvin/Signature}} 19:41, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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It is just an Idea. Nothing has been approved at all yet. I can't go anywhere with this project until something has been approved. So far, I have no approval to actually publish this idea. The only thing I can do is ask for opinions if this would be a good idea. I am now planning to make a new model of the T.O.C on my own user discussion page. The picture was just a pre-view of what it would resemble. I've spent over a two months in the making of the Table of Contents. I'm not willing to give it up now. Let me make an actual wiki page of the real T.O.C, and then consider if it should be put into effect or not. I will also admit that personal emailing was not a good idea. Everything I do from now on will be public, not just to one person. I apologize to WIND for doing this. --{{User:General Cap/signature}}<br />
== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== should we have a section for MVM? ==<br />
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I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF. <br />
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== City on Fire Item Sets ==<br />
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[[Public Enemy]]<br><br />
[[Urban Professional]]<br><br />
[[Dumpster Diver]]<br />
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Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]]. <br />
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Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?<br />
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Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?<br />
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
It's an item set when the schema says it is. At the moment, it doesn't. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 07:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey guys whats the problem with [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1089264&oldid=1089167 this]? Wtf then the [[Wingstick]]? I think it should be their. Hey editors stop deleting this with no reason. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Plz say something. I dont like IRC i shall never go to talk on it. This guy - Hinaomi - is continuing to remove information. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 05:44, 15 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion&diff=1089540Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion2012-07-15T12:44:37Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}}. You were told multiple times (some of those times by me) to start this discussion and insisted on bothering someone over email instead of doing it the right way. You've already burned a bridge with me, and this combined with the overall reinvention of the wheel I'm seeing doesn't give me much of a reason to voice support. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}} I honestly do not see the use of a list like this. If someone wanted to search for something but didn't know the exact name of what they were looking for, there are already numerous indices for doing so. On top of which, this is a Wiki, which has a search bar, which does serve a purpose. Finally, you have not presented a plan as to how to enact such a page or list, so unless you do then it simply creates a significant amount of work for others to plan out and execute. --{{User:LordKelvin/Signature}} 19:41, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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It is just an Idea. Nothing has been approved at all yet. I can't go anywhere with this project until something has been approved. So far, I have no approval to actually publish this idea. The only thing I can do is ask for opinions if this would be a good idea. I am now planning to make a new model of the T.O.C on my own user discussion page. The picture was just a pre-view of what it would resemble. I've spent over a two months in the making of the Table of Contents. I'm not willing to give it up now. Let me make an actual wiki page of the real T.O.C, and then consider if it should be put into effect or not. I will also admit that personal emailing was not a good idea. Everything I do from now on will be public, not just to one person. I apologize to WIND for doing this. --{{User:General Cap/signature}}<br />
== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== should we have a section for MVM? ==<br />
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I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF. <br />
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== City on Fire Item Sets ==<br />
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[[Public Enemy]]<br><br />
[[Urban Professional]]<br><br />
[[Dumpster Diver]]<br />
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Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]]. <br />
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Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?<br />
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Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?<br />
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
It's an item set when the schema says it is. At the moment, it doesn't. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 07:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey guys whats the problem with [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1089264&oldid=1089167 this]? Wtf then the [[Wingstick]]? I think it should be their. Hey editors stop deleting this with no reason. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Plz say something. I dont like IRC i shall never go to talk on it. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 05:44, 15 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&diff=1089539Unarmed Combat2012-07-15T12:44:07Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Hinaomi (Talk) (1089413) nope its a bug. Or may i call Capitan Oblivious?</p>
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<div>{{update}}<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Unarmed Combat.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| kill-icon-1 = Unarmed Combat<br />
| kill-text-1 = ARM KILL!<br />
| used-by = [[Scout]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048046}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Craft|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = <br />
| item-description = So nice of the Spy to lend an arm...<br />
| loadout-name = Unarmed Combat<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' to the Spy|Good hands, buddy!|sound=Scout_stunballhit09.wav}}<br />
The '''Unarmed Combat''' is a [[Weapon#scoutmelee|melee]] weapon for the [[Scout]]. It is the [[jigglebones|limp]] right arm of a team specific [[Spy]], with a ripped glove and a protruding bone that serves as a handle.<br />
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This weapon functions similarly to the [[Holy Mackerel]]. However, it will display the phrase 'ARM KILL!' instead of 'FISH KILL!', and does not qualify as a piece of the [[Special Delivery (Item Set)|Special Delivery]] [[item set]].<br />
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The Unarmed Combat was a [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813 contribution] to the [[Steam Workshop]].<br />
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== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Bat]], [[Candy Cane]], [[Conscientious Objector]], [[Frying Pan]], [[Holy Mackerel]], [[Saxxy]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 35<br />
| point blank = 30-40<br />
| crit = 105<br />
| minicrit = 40-54<br />
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| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.5 s<br />
}}<br />
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{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
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==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
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===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Scout melee}}<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}} ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])'''<br />
* The Unarmed Combat was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* Fixed The Unarmed Combat's taunt not working<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Upon hitting a Spy with the Dead Ringer out, the kill feed will not display 'ARM KILL!'. Instead, it will add to the number of times hit, thus notifying the player of the Spy's remaining presence.<br />
* After 24 hits on a single target, the weapon will no longer broadcast a hit announcement in the kill feed.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
* When hitting with the Unarmed Combat it will sometimes bend the wrist backwards or bend the elbow straight down.<br />
* If you assist an arm kill, it will not be highlighted in your kill feed like your other kills and assists.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's level does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* The description is a pun on the phrase "lending a hand" which means to help with a job or task.<br />
* According to the Steam Workshop, it was the creator's intention for the weapon to be of the enemy team's colour, so [[RED]] Scouts would be holding the arms of [[BLU]] Spies (and vice versa).<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed combat thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail<br />
</gallery><br />
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== See also ==<br />
*[[Scout strategy#Holy Mackerel / Unarmed Combat|Unarmed Combat strategy]]<br />
*[[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
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{{VeryScaryHalloweenSpecialNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Scout Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Wingstick&diff=1089538Wingstick2012-07-15T12:43:57Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Hinaomi (Talk) (1089412) nope its a bug. Or may i call Capitan Oblivious?</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Engineer_Wingstick.png<br />
| used-by = [[Engineer]]<br />
| equip-region = engineer belt<br />
| released = {{Patch name|8|3|2011}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Promotional|Craft|Drop|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = no<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| loadout-prefix = <br />
| quality = Unique<br />
| level = Level 10 Wearable Wingstick<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Engineer''' testing ranged weapons|Y'all gotta run a lot faster than that.|sound=Engineer_dominationscout01.wav}}<br />
The '''Wingstick''' is a [[Promotional items|promotional]] [[Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous item]] for the [[Engineer]]. It is a three-bladed propeller with cloth wrapped around one of the blades, hanging from the Engineer's belt next to his orange power cord.<br />
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This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-ordered ''[[RAGE]]'' before 10AM PST on August 8, 2011.<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|3|2011}}'''<br />
* The Wingstick was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|8|9|2011}}'''<br />
* Updated the Wingstick so it can be purchased/crafted/traded/found.<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Because the Wingstick lacks team-colored yellow, on team BLU the wires attached to the item will not match the colors of the Engineer's power cord.<br />
* The Wingstick's [[Item Level|level]] does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* The Wingstick is featured in the trailers of ''RAGE''; it is a boomerang-like weapon that can be thrown, with the cloth on one end serving as a handle.<br />
*''[http://store.steampowered.com/app/9200/ RAGE]'' was not available for pre-order in Russia, making this item unobtainable in Genuine quality in that region.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Wingstick_handheld_guillotine.png|The Wingstick as it appears in RAGE.<br />
File:Quakecon_steam_promo.PNG|Promotional Steam pop-up for the Wingstick. <br />
File:Engineer_Wingstick_promo.png|Engineer sporting the Wingstick, as illustrated on the RAGE Steam Store page.<br />
</gallery><br />
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{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}<br />
{{Engineer Nav}}<br />
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[[Category:Promotional items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&diff=1089367Unarmed Combat2012-07-15T04:06:54Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Hinaomi (Talk) (1089264)</p>
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<div>{{update}}<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Unarmed Combat.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| kill-icon-1 = Unarmed Combat<br />
| kill-text-1 = ARM KILL!<br />
| used-by = [[Scout]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048046}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Craft|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = <br />
| item-description = So nice of the Spy to lend an arm...<br />
| loadout-name = Unarmed Combat<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' to the Spy|Good hands, buddy!|sound=Scout_stunballhit09.wav}}<br />
The '''Unarmed Combat''' is a [[Weapon#scoutmelee|melee]] weapon for the [[Scout]]. It is the [[jigglebones|limp]] right arm of a team specific [[Spy]], with a ripped glove and a protruding bone that serves as a handle.<br />
<br />
This weapon functions similarly to the [[Holy Mackerel]]. However, it will display the phrase 'ARM KILL!' instead of 'FISH KILL!', and does not qualify as a piece of the [[Special Delivery (Item Set)|Special Delivery]] [[item set]].<br />
<br />
The Unarmed Combat was a [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813 contribution] to the [[Steam Workshop]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Bat]], [[Candy Cane]], [[Conscientious Objector]], [[Frying Pan]], [[Holy Mackerel]], [[Saxxy]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 35<br />
| point blank = 30-40<br />
| crit = 105<br />
| minicrit = 40-54<br />
<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.5 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Scout melee}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}} ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])'''<br />
* The Unarmed Combat was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* Fixed The Unarmed Combat's taunt not working<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* Upon hitting a Spy with the Dead Ringer out, the kill feed will not display 'ARM KILL!'. Instead, it will add to the number of times hit, thus notifying the player of the Spy's remaining presence.<br />
* After 24 hits on a single target, the weapon will no longer broadcast a hit announcement in the kill feed.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
* When hitting with the Unarmed Combat it will sometimes bend the wrist backwards or bend the elbow straight down.<br />
* If you assist an arm kill, it will not be highlighted in your kill feed like your other kills and assists.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's level does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* The description is a pun on the phrase "lending a hand" which means to help with a job or task.<br />
* According to the Steam Workshop, it was the creator's intention for the weapon to be of the enemy team's colour, so [[RED]] Scouts would be holding the arms of [[BLU]] Spies (and vice versa).<br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed combat thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
*[[Scout strategy#Holy Mackerel / Unarmed Combat|Unarmed Combat strategy]]<br />
*[[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
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{{VeryScaryHalloweenSpecialNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Scout Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1089366User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-15T04:06:25Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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<div>{{User:Hinaomi/header}}<br />
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{{Talk archive<br />
| arc1name=2011<br />
| arc1link=User talk:Hinaomi/archive1<br />
| arc2name=2012<br />
| arc2link=User talk:Hinaomi/archive2<br />
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
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I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Signature image ==<br />
<br />
The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
<br />
May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
<br />
I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
<br />
So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
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Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
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Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
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Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hostility ==<br />
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Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
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There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
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Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bazooka ==<br />
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Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:If it still exist in that page, [[Lollichop]], [[Unarmed Combat]] and [[Wanga Prick]] should have that too. But they didn't because they were remove before. That's why I removed it. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:42, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Wow! I didnt know that UC and WP has random levels too! SO! Thats why we must add this to trivia (or another section) for all of those 4 weapons. Ill do it ok? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:43, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I said "they were remove before". [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:10, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey use to read first my edit. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 14:59, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:That was there and got removed before, that's why I remove [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 16:31, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What? Look at [[Wingstick]]! --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Also it fit the [[Help:Style guide/Trivia|trivia guidelines]]. Like the Wingstick. Stop delete now. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:06, 14 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1089365User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-15T04:05:18Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */</p>
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
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I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Signature image ==<br />
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The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
<br />
May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
<br />
I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
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So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
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Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
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Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
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Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hostility ==<br />
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Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
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There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
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Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bazooka ==<br />
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Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:If it still exist in that page, [[Lollichop]], [[Unarmed Combat]] and [[Wanga Prick]] should have that too. But they didn't because they were remove before. That's why I removed it. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:42, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Wow! I didnt know that UC and WP has random levels too! SO! Thats why we must add this to trivia (or another section) for all of those 4 weapons. Ill do it ok? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:43, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I said "they were remove before". [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:10, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey use to read first my edit. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 14:59, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:That was there and got removed before, that's why I remove [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 16:31, 14 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What? Look at [[Wingstick]]! --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion&diff=1089364Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion2012-07-15T04:05:15Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */ new section</p>
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{Discussion close}}<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}}. You were told multiple times (some of those times by me) to start this discussion and insisted on bothering someone over email instead of doing it the right way. You've already burned a bridge with me, and this combined with the overall reinvention of the wheel I'm seeing doesn't give me much of a reason to voice support. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|No}} I honestly do not see the use of a list like this. If someone wanted to search for something but didn't know the exact name of what they were looking for, there are already numerous indices for doing so. On top of which, this is a Wiki, which has a search bar, which does serve a purpose. Finally, you have not presented a plan as to how to enact such a page or list, so unless you do then it simply creates a significant amount of work for others to plan out and execute. --{{User:LordKelvin/Signature}} 19:41, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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It is just an Idea. Nothing has been approved at all yet. I can't go anywhere with this project until something has been approved. So far, I have no approval to actually publish this idea. The only thing I can do is ask for opinions if this would be a good idea. I am now planning to make a new model of the T.O.C on my own user discussion page. The picture was just a pre-view of what it would resemble. I've spent over a two months in the making of the Table of Contents. I'm not willing to give it up now. Let me make an actual wiki page of the real T.O.C, and then consider if it should be put into effect or not. I will also admit that personal emailing was not a good idea. Everything I do from now on will be public, not just to one person. I apologize to WIND for doing this. --{{User:General Cap/signature}}<br />
== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== should we have a section for MVM? ==<br />
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I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF. <br />
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== City on Fire Item Sets ==<br />
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[[Public Enemy]]<br><br />
[[Urban Professional]]<br><br />
[[Dumpster Diver]]<br />
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Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]]. <br />
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Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?<br />
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Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?<br />
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
It's an item set when the schema says it is. At the moment, it doesn't. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 07:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
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Hey guys whats the problem with [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1089264&oldid=1089167 this]? Wtf then the [[Wingstick]]? I think it should be their. Hey editors stop deleting this with no reason. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Item_levels&diff=1089229Item levels2012-07-14T23:00:21Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Hats and misc. items */ some more (cristmas 2011 + some manniver sale 2011)</p>
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<div>{{Backpack item<br />
| style = float: right; width: 350px; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em 1em;<br />
| item-name = Vintage Tyrolean<br />
| item-level = Level 42 Hat<br />
| quality = Unique<br />
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The majority of [[items]] in ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' have '''levels''' associated with them. Levels, viewed with the item name in the [[loadout]] menu, are purely cosmetic and do not modify the effectiveness of any weapon or item. <br />
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Originally, when the Backpack was first implemented in the [[May 21, 2009 Patch|Sniper vs. Spy Update]], item levels were added by the developers to test if level functionality could be included in the [[item drop system]]. Dropped items were given a random level between 0 and 100, and the level would appear under the name of the item, visible to all players. They have since returned as of the {{Patch name|8|18|2011}}, but only for [[hats]] and [[misc]] items.<br />
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Random leveling is no longer a feature as of the {{Patch name|5|29|2009}}. All new items receive a standard level. However, [[hats]] will still receive random levels between 1 and 100, and all existing items with random levels will still retain them.<br />
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The Dueling Badges are the only items to change level. The Badge's level increases by 1 for every 10 duels won by the player. Once the Badge reaches a certain level (25, 50, 75), it will change into the next tier of badge, meaning that, for example, you cannot have a level 20 {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}.<br />
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[[Strange]] items do not have item levels, but do have a [[List of Strange weapon ranks|rank prefix]] that changes according to the number of kills the player has made with the weapon.<br />
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{{clr}}<br />
== List of item levels ==<br />
===[[Weapons]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Big Earner}}{{n}}{{item link|Black Rose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buffalo Steak Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conniver's Kunai}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dalokohs Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Direct Hit}}{{n}}[[Festive weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Fishcake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rocket Jumper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharp Dresser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shortstop}}{{n}}{{item link|Spy-cicle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sticky Jumper}}{{n}}[[Stock weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Sydney Sleeper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Your Eternal Reward}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hitman's Heatmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cleaner's Carbine}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Ambassador}}{{n}}{{Item link|Big Kill}}{{n}}{{Item link|Black Box}}{{n}}{{Item link|Blutsauger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bonk! Atomic Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Brass Beast}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buff Banner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bushwacka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Claidheamh Mòr}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cloak and Dagger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Concheror}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crit-a-Cola}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Ringer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Diamondback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enforcer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enthusiast's Timepiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eyelander}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fan O'War}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontier Justice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frying Pan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Half-Zatoichi}}{{n}}{{Item link|Homewrecker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Iron Curtain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jarate}}{{n}}{{Item link|L'Etranger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lugermorph}}{{n}}{{Item link|Machina}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mad Milk}}{{n}}{{Item link|Maul}}{{n}}{{Item link|Natascha}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nessie's Nine Iron}}{{n}}{{Item link|Original}}{{n}}{{Item link|Overdose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pain Train}}{{n}}{{Item link|Powerjack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scotsman's Skullcutter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Resistance}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shahanshah}}{{n}}{{Item link|Short Circuit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tomislav}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tribalman's Shiv}}{{n}}{{Item link|Vita-Saw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Widowmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrangler}}<br />
|-<br />
! 7<br />
| {{Item link|Killing Gloves of Boxing}}<br />
|-<br />
! 8<br />
| {{Item link|Kritzkrieg}}{{n}}{{Item link|Quick-Fix}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Ali Baba's Wee Booties}}{{n}}{{Item link|Apoco-Fists}}{{n}}{{Item link|Atomizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Axtinguisher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Back Scratcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Backburner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Battalion's Backup}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bazaar Bargain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bootlegger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Chargin' Targe}}{{n}}{{item link|Cozy Camper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Darwin's Danger Shield}}{{n}}{{Item link|Degreaser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Detonator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Disciplinary Action}}{{n}}{{Item link|Equalizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eviction Notice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Family Business}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fists of Steel}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flare Gun}}{{n}}{{Item link|Force-A-Nature}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gloves of Running Urgently}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunboats}}{{n}}{{item link|Holiday Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Huntsman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Loch-n-Load}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mantreads}}{{n}}{{Item link|Market Gardener}}{{n}}{{Item link|Persian Persuader}}{{n}}{{Item link|Phlogistinator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pomson 6000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Postal Pummeler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Razorback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Reserve Shooter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Handshake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharpened Volcano Fragment}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soda Popper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Solemn Vow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Splendid Screen}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sun-on-a-Stick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Third Degree}}{{n}}{{Item link|Three-Rune Blade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Übersaw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ullapool Caber}}{{n}}{{Item link|Warrior's Spirit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Baby Face's Blaster}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorch Shot}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rainblower}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|Amputator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crusader's Crossbow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunslinger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrap Assassin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|Eureka Effect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Southern Hospitality}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25<br />
| {{Item link|Boston Basher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Candy Cane}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conscientious Objector}}{{n}}{{Item link|Golden Wrench}}{{n}}{{Item link|Liberty Launcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Saxxy}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|Cow Mangler 5000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manmelter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Righteous Bison}}<br />
|-<br />
! 42<br />
| {{Item link|Holy Mackerel}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| [[Community items]]{{n}}[[Self-Made|Self-Made items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Weapons prior to the release of the [[May 29, 2009 Patch|standard level patch]]<ref>Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw, Backburner, Flare Gun, Axtinguisher, Natascha, Sandvich, Killing Gloves of Boxing, Force-A-Nature, Bonk! Atomic Punch, Sandman, Huntsman, Razorback, Jarate, Ambassador, Dead Ringer, and Cloak and Dagger.</ref><br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| {{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Unarmed Combat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wanga Prick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Beggar's Bazooka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lollichop}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| [[Valve weapons]]<br />
|}<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
===[[Hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items|misc. items]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Brain Bucket}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cheater's Lament}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Cone}}{{n}}{{Item link|Foster's Facade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hero's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hetman's Headpiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Janissary Ketche}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stockbroker's Scarf}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Mercenary}}{{n}}{{Item link|Professor Speks}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Anger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Aperture Labs Hard Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Athletic Supporter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ball-Kicking Boots}}{{n}}{{Item link|Benefactor's Kanmuri}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bill's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bootie Time}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buccaneer's Bicorne}}{{n}}{{Item link|Company Man}}{{n}}{{Item link|Counterfeit Billycock}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dashin' Hashshashin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Deus Specs}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dragonborn Helmet}}{{n}}{{Item link|El Jefe}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ellis' Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Essential Accessories}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flip-Flops}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlier Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlierest Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastly Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gym Rat}}{{n}}[[Halloween Masks]]{{n}}{{Item link|Humanitarian's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|L'Inspecteur}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lo-Fi Longwave}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lucky No. 42}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lumbricus Lid}}{{n}}{{Item link|Magnanimous Monarch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manniversary Paper Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mask of the Shaman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Merc's Pride Scarf}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mildly Disturbing Halloween Mask}}{{n}}{{Item link|One-Man Army}}{{n}}{{Item link|Outdoorsman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Party Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pencil Pusher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pilotka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pip-Boy}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier of Fortune}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spiral Sallet}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stahlhelm}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Shades}}{{n}}{{Item link|Superfan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Surgeon's Stahlhelm}}{{n}}{{Item link|Swagman's Swatter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tavish DeGroot Experience}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wingstick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Robot Chicken Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Virtual Reality Headset}}{{n}}{{Item link|Your Worst Nightmare}}<br />
|-<br />
! 13<br />
| {{Item link|Apparition's Aspect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cremator's Conscience}}{{n}}{{Item link|Infernal Impaler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Last Breath}}{{n}}{{Item link|Resurrection Associate Pin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|All-Father}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Copper Crest}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Crest}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Silver Crest}}{{n}}{{Item link|Grizzled Veteran}}{{n}}{{Item link|Moonman Backpack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Outback Intellectual}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pocket Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|Prairie Heel Biters}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rogue's Col Roule}}{{n}}{{Item link|Treasure Hat}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|A Whiff of the Old Brimstone}}{{n}}{{Item link|Alien Swarm Parasite}}{{n}}{{Item link|Clan Pride}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Couvre Corner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crocodile Smile}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dangeresque, Too?}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flair!}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontline Field Recorder}}{{n}}{{Item link|License to Maim}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ornament Armament}}{{n}}{{Item link|Photo Badge}}{{n}}{{Item link|Primeval Warrior}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sign of the Wolf's School}}{{n}}{{Item link|SpaceChem Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spectre's Spectacles}}{{n}}{{Item link|Surgeon's Stethoscope}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wiki Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|World Traveler's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Balloonicorn}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stereoscopic Shades}}<br />
|-<br />
! 1-24<br />
| {{Item link|Bronze Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25-49<br />
| {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 28<br />
| {{Item link|Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|B.M.O.C.}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bounty Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ebenezer}}<br />
|-<br />
! 31<br />
| {{Item link|Cadaver's Cranium}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horrific Headsplitter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spine-Chilling Skull}}{{n}}{{Item link|Voodoo Juju}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Dealer's Visor}}{{n}}{{Item link|Proof of Purchase}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50-74<br />
| {{Item link|Gold Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Hats prior to the release of the standard level patch<br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| All other [[hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 75-100<br />
| {{Item link|Platinum Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| {{Item link|Gentle Manne's Service Medal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Holiday Headcase}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Other items ===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|'Fish'}}{{n}}{{Item link|Description Tag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Moustachium Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Name Tag}}{{n}}[[Tokens]]{{n}}{{Item link|RIFT Well Spun Hat Claim Code}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scrap Metal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Secret Saxton}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spacemetal Scrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile Of Ash}}<br />
|-<br />
! 2<br />
| {{Item link|Reclaimed Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 3<br />
| {{Item link|Refined Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 4<br />
| {{Item link|Haunted Metal Scrap}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Director's Vision}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dueling Mini-Game}}{{n}}{{Item link|Festive Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gift Wrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic (Taunt)}}{{n}}[[Noise Makers]]{{n}}[[Paint Can]]s{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Schadenfreude}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stocking Stuffer Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Key}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Festive Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Crate}}<br />
|-<br />
! 23<br />
| {{Item link|Pile o' Gifts}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Box of Fancy Hats}}{{n}}{{Item link|Demoman Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Victory Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Engineer Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Heavy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Japan Charity Bundle}}{{n}}[[Map Stamps]]{{n}}{{Item link|Map Stamps Collection}}{{n}}{{Item link|Medic Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic! Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mobster Monday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Noise Maker Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile of Nasty Weapons}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pyro Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scout Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sniper Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Sun Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Croc-o-Style Kit}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Emperor's Assortment}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Expert's Ordnance}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Gas Jockey's Gear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Hibernating Bear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Medieval Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Saharan Spy}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Special Delivery}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Tank Buster}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Uber Update Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Timbuk-Tuesday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winter Update Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|World War Wednesday Bundle}}<br />
|-<br />
!50-59<br />
| {{Item link|Backpack Expander}}<br />
|-<br />
!75<br />
| {{Item link|A Bargaining Manne's Bundle of Bargains}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Item_levels&diff=1089202Item levels2012-07-14T22:33:22Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Hats and misc. items */ All-Father</p>
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<div>{{Backpack item<br />
| style = float: right; width: 350px; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em 1em;<br />
| item-name = Vintage Tyrolean<br />
| item-level = Level 42 Hat<br />
| quality = Unique<br />
}}<br />
The majority of [[items]] in ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' have '''levels''' associated with them. Levels, viewed with the item name in the [[loadout]] menu, are purely cosmetic and do not modify the effectiveness of any weapon or item. <br />
<br />
Originally, when the Backpack was first implemented in the [[May 21, 2009 Patch|Sniper vs. Spy Update]], item levels were added by the developers to test if level functionality could be included in the [[item drop system]]. Dropped items were given a random level between 0 and 100, and the level would appear under the name of the item, visible to all players. They have since returned as of the {{Patch name|8|18|2011}}, but only for [[hats]] and [[misc]] items.<br />
<br />
Random leveling is no longer a feature as of the {{Patch name|5|29|2009}}. All new items receive a standard level. However, [[hats]] will still receive random levels between 1 and 100, and all existing items with random levels will still retain them.<br />
<br />
The Dueling Badges are the only items to change level. The Badge's level increases by 1 for every 10 duels won by the player. Once the Badge reaches a certain level (25, 50, 75), it will change into the next tier of badge, meaning that, for example, you cannot have a level 20 {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}.<br />
<br />
[[Strange]] items do not have item levels, but do have a [[List of Strange weapon ranks|rank prefix]] that changes according to the number of kills the player has made with the weapon.<br />
<br />
{{clr}}<br />
== List of item levels ==<br />
===[[Weapons]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Big Earner}}{{n}}{{item link|Black Rose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buffalo Steak Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conniver's Kunai}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dalokohs Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Direct Hit}}{{n}}[[Festive weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Fishcake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rocket Jumper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharp Dresser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shortstop}}{{n}}{{item link|Spy-cicle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sticky Jumper}}{{n}}[[Stock weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Sydney Sleeper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Your Eternal Reward}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hitman's Heatmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cleaner's Carbine}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Ambassador}}{{n}}{{Item link|Big Kill}}{{n}}{{Item link|Black Box}}{{n}}{{Item link|Blutsauger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bonk! Atomic Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Brass Beast}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buff Banner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bushwacka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Claidheamh Mòr}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cloak and Dagger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Concheror}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crit-a-Cola}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Ringer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Diamondback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enforcer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enthusiast's Timepiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eyelander}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fan O'War}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontier Justice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frying Pan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Half-Zatoichi}}{{n}}{{Item link|Homewrecker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Iron Curtain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jarate}}{{n}}{{Item link|L'Etranger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lugermorph}}{{n}}{{Item link|Machina}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mad Milk}}{{n}}{{Item link|Maul}}{{n}}{{Item link|Natascha}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nessie's Nine Iron}}{{n}}{{Item link|Original}}{{n}}{{Item link|Overdose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pain Train}}{{n}}{{Item link|Powerjack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scotsman's Skullcutter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Resistance}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shahanshah}}{{n}}{{Item link|Short Circuit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tomislav}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tribalman's Shiv}}{{n}}{{Item link|Vita-Saw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Widowmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrangler}}<br />
|-<br />
! 7<br />
| {{Item link|Killing Gloves of Boxing}}<br />
|-<br />
! 8<br />
| {{Item link|Kritzkrieg}}{{n}}{{Item link|Quick-Fix}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Ali Baba's Wee Booties}}{{n}}{{Item link|Apoco-Fists}}{{n}}{{Item link|Atomizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Axtinguisher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Back Scratcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Backburner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Battalion's Backup}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bazaar Bargain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bootlegger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Chargin' Targe}}{{n}}{{item link|Cozy Camper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Darwin's Danger Shield}}{{n}}{{Item link|Degreaser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Detonator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Disciplinary Action}}{{n}}{{Item link|Equalizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eviction Notice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Family Business}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fists of Steel}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flare Gun}}{{n}}{{Item link|Force-A-Nature}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gloves of Running Urgently}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunboats}}{{n}}{{item link|Holiday Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Huntsman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Loch-n-Load}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mantreads}}{{n}}{{Item link|Market Gardener}}{{n}}{{Item link|Persian Persuader}}{{n}}{{Item link|Phlogistinator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pomson 6000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Postal Pummeler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Razorback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Reserve Shooter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Handshake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharpened Volcano Fragment}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soda Popper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Solemn Vow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Splendid Screen}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sun-on-a-Stick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Third Degree}}{{n}}{{Item link|Three-Rune Blade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Übersaw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ullapool Caber}}{{n}}{{Item link|Warrior's Spirit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Baby Face's Blaster}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorch Shot}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rainblower}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|Amputator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crusader's Crossbow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunslinger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrap Assassin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|Eureka Effect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Southern Hospitality}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25<br />
| {{Item link|Boston Basher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Candy Cane}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conscientious Objector}}{{n}}{{Item link|Golden Wrench}}{{n}}{{Item link|Liberty Launcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Saxxy}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|Cow Mangler 5000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manmelter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Righteous Bison}}<br />
|-<br />
! 42<br />
| {{Item link|Holy Mackerel}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| [[Community items]]{{n}}[[Self-Made|Self-Made items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Weapons prior to the release of the [[May 29, 2009 Patch|standard level patch]]<ref>Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw, Backburner, Flare Gun, Axtinguisher, Natascha, Sandvich, Killing Gloves of Boxing, Force-A-Nature, Bonk! Atomic Punch, Sandman, Huntsman, Razorback, Jarate, Ambassador, Dead Ringer, and Cloak and Dagger.</ref><br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| {{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Unarmed Combat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wanga Prick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Beggar's Bazooka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lollichop}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| [[Valve weapons]]<br />
|}<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
===[[Hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items|misc. items]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Brain Bucket}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cheater's Lament}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Cone}}{{n}}{{Item link|Foster's Facade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hero's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hetman's Headpiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Janissary Ketche}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stockbroker's Scarf}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Mercenary}}{{n}}{{Item link|Professor Speks}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Anger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Aperture Labs Hard Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Athletic Supporter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Benefactor's Kanmuri}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bill's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Company Man}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dashin' Hashshashin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Deus Specs}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dragonborn Helmet}}{{n}}{{Item link|El Jefe}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ellis' Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Essential Accessories}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flip-Flops}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlier Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlierest Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastly Gibus}}{{n}}[[Halloween Masks]]{{n}}{{Item link|Humanitarian's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lo-Fi Longwave}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lucky No. 42}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lumbricus Lid}}{{n}}{{Item link|Magnanimous Monarch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manniversary Paper Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mask of the Shaman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mildly Disturbing Halloween Mask}}{{n}}{{Item link|Party Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pilotka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pip-Boy}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier of Fortune}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spiral Sallet}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stahlhelm}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Shades}}{{n}}{{Item link|Superfan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wingstick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Robot Chicken Hat}}<br />
|-<br />
! 13<br />
| {{Item link|Apparition's Aspect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Infernal Impaler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Last Breath}}{{n}}{{Item link|Resurrection Associate Pin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|All-Father}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Crest}}{{n}}{{Item link|Grizzled Veteran}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pocket Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|Prairie Heel Biters}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rogue's Col Roule}}{{n}}{{Item link|Treasure Hat}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|Alien Swarm Parasite}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dangeresque, Too?}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontline Field Recorder}}{{n}}{{Item link|License to Maim}}{{n}}{{Item link|Primeval Warrior}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sign of the Wolf's School}}{{n}}{{Item link|SpaceChem Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wiki Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|World Traveler's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Balloonicorn}}<br />
|-<br />
! 1-24<br />
| {{Item link|Bronze Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25-49<br />
| {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 28<br />
| {{Item link|Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|Bounty Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ebenezer}}<br />
|-<br />
! 31<br />
| {{Item link|Cadaver's Cranium}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horrific Headsplitter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spine-Chilling Skull}}{{n}}{{Item link|Voodoo Juju}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Dealer's Visor}}{{n}}{{Item link|Proof of Purchase}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50-74<br />
| {{Item link|Gold Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Hats prior to the release of the standard level patch<br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| All other [[hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 75-100<br />
| {{Item link|Platinum Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| {{Item link|Gentle Manne's Service Medal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Holiday Headcase}}<br />
|}<br />
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=== Other items ===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|'Fish'}}{{n}}{{Item link|Description Tag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Moustachium Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Name Tag}}{{n}}[[Tokens]]{{n}}{{Item link|RIFT Well Spun Hat Claim Code}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scrap Metal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Secret Saxton}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spacemetal Scrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile Of Ash}}<br />
|-<br />
! 2<br />
| {{Item link|Reclaimed Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 3<br />
| {{Item link|Refined Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 4<br />
| {{Item link|Haunted Metal Scrap}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Director's Vision}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dueling Mini-Game}}{{n}}{{Item link|Festive Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gift Wrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic (Taunt)}}{{n}}[[Noise Makers]]{{n}}[[Paint Can]]s{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Schadenfreude}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stocking Stuffer Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Key}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Festive Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Crate}}<br />
|-<br />
! 23<br />
| {{Item link|Pile o' Gifts}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Box of Fancy Hats}}{{n}}{{Item link|Demoman Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Victory Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Engineer Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Heavy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Japan Charity Bundle}}{{n}}[[Map Stamps]]{{n}}{{Item link|Map Stamps Collection}}{{n}}{{Item link|Medic Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic! Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mobster Monday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Noise Maker Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile of Nasty Weapons}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pyro Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scout Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sniper Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Sun Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Croc-o-Style Kit}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Emperor's Assortment}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Expert's Ordnance}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Gas Jockey's Gear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Hibernating Bear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Medieval Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Saharan Spy}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Special Delivery}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Tank Buster}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Uber Update Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Timbuk-Tuesday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winter Update Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|World War Wednesday Bundle}}<br />
|-<br />
!50-59<br />
| {{Item link|Backpack Expander}}<br />
|-<br />
!75<br />
| {{Item link|A Bargaining Manne's Bundle of Bargains}}<br />
|}<br />
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[[Category:Items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Item_levels&diff=1089198Item levels2012-07-14T22:29:46Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Hats and misc. items */ ebenezer</p>
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<div>{{Backpack item<br />
| style = float: right; width: 350px; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em 1em;<br />
| item-name = Vintage Tyrolean<br />
| item-level = Level 42 Hat<br />
| quality = Unique<br />
}}<br />
The majority of [[items]] in ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' have '''levels''' associated with them. Levels, viewed with the item name in the [[loadout]] menu, are purely cosmetic and do not modify the effectiveness of any weapon or item. <br />
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Originally, when the Backpack was first implemented in the [[May 21, 2009 Patch|Sniper vs. Spy Update]], item levels were added by the developers to test if level functionality could be included in the [[item drop system]]. Dropped items were given a random level between 0 and 100, and the level would appear under the name of the item, visible to all players. They have since returned as of the {{Patch name|8|18|2011}}, but only for [[hats]] and [[misc]] items.<br />
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Random leveling is no longer a feature as of the {{Patch name|5|29|2009}}. All new items receive a standard level. However, [[hats]] will still receive random levels between 1 and 100, and all existing items with random levels will still retain them.<br />
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The Dueling Badges are the only items to change level. The Badge's level increases by 1 for every 10 duels won by the player. Once the Badge reaches a certain level (25, 50, 75), it will change into the next tier of badge, meaning that, for example, you cannot have a level 20 {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}.<br />
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[[Strange]] items do not have item levels, but do have a [[List of Strange weapon ranks|rank prefix]] that changes according to the number of kills the player has made with the weapon.<br />
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== List of item levels ==<br />
===[[Weapons]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Big Earner}}{{n}}{{item link|Black Rose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buffalo Steak Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conniver's Kunai}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dalokohs Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Direct Hit}}{{n}}[[Festive weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Fishcake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rocket Jumper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandvich}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharp Dresser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shortstop}}{{n}}{{item link|Spy-cicle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sticky Jumper}}{{n}}[[Stock weapons]]{{n}}{{Item link|Sydney Sleeper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Your Eternal Reward}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hitman's Heatmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cleaner's Carbine}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Ambassador}}{{n}}{{Item link|Big Kill}}{{n}}{{Item link|Black Box}}{{n}}{{Item link|Blutsauger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bonk! Atomic Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Brass Beast}}{{n}}{{Item link|Buff Banner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bushwacka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Claidheamh Mòr}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cloak and Dagger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Concheror}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crit-a-Cola}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Ringer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Diamondback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enforcer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Enthusiast's Timepiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eyelander}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fan O'War}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontier Justice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frying Pan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Half-Zatoichi}}{{n}}{{Item link|Homewrecker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Iron Curtain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jarate}}{{n}}{{Item link|L'Etranger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lugermorph}}{{n}}{{Item link|Machina}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mad Milk}}{{n}}{{Item link|Maul}}{{n}}{{Item link|Natascha}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nessie's Nine Iron}}{{n}}{{Item link|Original}}{{n}}{{Item link|Overdose}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pain Train}}{{n}}{{Item link|Powerjack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scotsman's Skullcutter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Resistance}}{{n}}{{Item link|Shahanshah}}{{n}}{{Item link|Short Circuit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tomislav}}{{n}}{{Item link|Tribalman's Shiv}}{{n}}{{Item link|Vita-Saw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Widowmaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrangler}}<br />
|-<br />
! 7<br />
| {{Item link|Killing Gloves of Boxing}}<br />
|-<br />
! 8<br />
| {{Item link|Kritzkrieg}}{{n}}{{Item link|Quick-Fix}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Ali Baba's Wee Booties}}{{n}}{{Item link|Apoco-Fists}}{{n}}{{Item link|Atomizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Axtinguisher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Back Scratcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Backburner}}{{n}}{{Item link|Battalion's Backup}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bazaar Bargain}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bootlegger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Chargin' Targe}}{{n}}{{item link|Cozy Camper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Darwin's Danger Shield}}{{n}}{{Item link|Degreaser}}{{n}}{{Item link|Detonator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Disciplinary Action}}{{n}}{{Item link|Equalizer}}{{n}}{{Item link|Eviction Notice}}{{n}}{{Item link|Family Business}}{{n}}{{Item link|Fists of Steel}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flare Gun}}{{n}}{{Item link|Force-A-Nature}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gloves of Running Urgently}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunboats}}{{n}}{{item link|Holiday Punch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Huntsman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Loch-n-Load}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mantreads}}{{n}}{{Item link|Market Gardener}}{{n}}{{Item link|Persian Persuader}}{{n}}{{Item link|Phlogistinator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pomson 6000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Postal Pummeler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Razorback}}{{n}}{{Item link|Reserve Shooter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scottish Handshake}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sharpened Volcano Fragment}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soda Popper}}{{n}}{{Item link|Solemn Vow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Splendid Screen}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sun-on-a-Stick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Third Degree}}{{n}}{{Item link|Three-Rune Blade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Übersaw}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ullapool Caber}}{{n}}{{Item link|Warrior's Spirit}}{{n}}{{Item link|Baby Face's Blaster}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorch Shot}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rainblower}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|Amputator}}{{n}}{{Item link|Crusader's Crossbow}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gunslinger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Jag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sandman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wrap Assassin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|Eureka Effect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Southern Hospitality}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25<br />
| {{Item link|Boston Basher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Candy Cane}}{{n}}{{Item link|Conscientious Objector}}{{n}}{{Item link|Golden Wrench}}{{n}}{{Item link|Liberty Launcher}}{{n}}{{Item link|Saxxy}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|Cow Mangler 5000}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manmelter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Righteous Bison}}<br />
|-<br />
! 42<br />
| {{Item link|Holy Mackerel}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| [[Community items]]{{n}}[[Self-Made|Self-Made items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Weapons prior to the release of the [[May 29, 2009 Patch|standard level patch]]<ref>Blutsauger, Kritzkrieg, Übersaw, Backburner, Flare Gun, Axtinguisher, Natascha, Sandvich, Killing Gloves of Boxing, Force-A-Nature, Bonk! Atomic Punch, Sandman, Huntsman, Razorback, Jarate, Ambassador, Dead Ringer, and Cloak and Dagger.</ref><br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| {{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker}}{{n}}{{Item link|Unarmed Combat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wanga Prick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Beggar's Bazooka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lollichop}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| [[Valve weapons]]<br />
|}<br />
<references/><br />
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===[[Hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items|misc. items]]===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
|-<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|Brain Bucket}}{{n}}{{Item link|Cheater's Lament}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dead Cone}}{{n}}{{Item link|Foster's Facade}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hero's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|Hetman's Headpiece}}{{n}}{{Item link|Janissary Ketche}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stockbroker's Scarf}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Mercenary}}{{n}}{{Item link|Professor Speks}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Anger}}{{n}}{{Item link|Aperture Labs Hard Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Athletic Supporter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Benefactor's Kanmuri}}{{n}}{{Item link|Bill's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Company Man}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dashin' Hashshashin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Deus Specs}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dragonborn Helmet}}{{n}}{{Item link|El Jefe}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ellis' Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Essential Accessories}}{{n}}{{Item link|Flip-Flops}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlier Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastlierest Gibus}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ghastly Gibus}}{{n}}[[Halloween Masks]]{{n}}{{Item link|Humanitarian's Hachimaki}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lo-Fi Longwave}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lucky No. 42}}{{n}}{{Item link|Lumbricus Lid}}{{n}}{{Item link|Magnanimous Monarch}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Manniversary Paper Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mask of the Shaman}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mildly Disturbing Halloween Mask}}{{n}}{{Item link|Party Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pilotka}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pip-Boy}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier of Fortune}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spiral Sallet}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stahlhelm}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Shades}}{{n}}{{Item link|Superfan}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wingstick}}{{n}}{{Item link|Robot Chicken Hat}}<br />
|-<br />
! 13<br />
| {{Item link|Apparition's Aspect}}{{n}}{{Item link|Infernal Impaler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Last Breath}}{{n}}{{Item link|Resurrection Associate Pin}}<br />
|-<br />
! 15<br />
| {{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Crest}}{{n}}{{Item link|Grizzled Veteran}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pocket Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|Prairie Heel Biters}}{{n}}{{Item link|Rogue's Col Roule}}{{n}}{{Item link|Treasure Hat}}<br />
|-<br />
! 20<br />
| {{Item link|Alien Swarm Parasite}}{{n}}{{Item link|Companion Cube Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dangeresque, Too?}}{{n}}{{Item link|Frontline Field Recorder}}{{n}}{{Item link|License to Maim}}{{n}}{{Item link|Primeval Warrior}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sign of the Wolf's School}}{{n}}{{Item link|SpaceChem Pin}}{{n}}{{Item link|Wiki Cap}}{{n}}{{Item link|World Traveler's Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Balloonicorn}}<br />
|-<br />
! 1-24<br />
| {{Item link|Bronze Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 25-49<br />
| {{Item link|Silver Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 28<br />
| {{Item link|Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect}}<br />
|-<br />
! 30<br />
| {{Item link|Bounty Hat}}{{n}}{{Item link|Ebenezer}}<br />
|-<br />
! 31<br />
| {{Item link|Cadaver's Cranium}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horrific Headsplitter}}{{n}}{{Item link|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spine-Chilling Skull}}{{n}}{{Item link|Voodoo Juju}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Dealer's Visor}}{{n}}{{Item link|Proof of Purchase}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50-74<br />
| {{Item link|Gold Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 0-100<br />
| Hats prior to the release of the standard level patch<br />
|-<br />
! 1-100<br />
| All other [[hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items]]<br />
|-<br />
! 75-100<br />
| {{Item link|Platinum Dueling Badge}}<br />
|-<br />
! 100<br />
| {{Item link|Gentle Manne's Service Medal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Holiday Headcase}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Other items ===<br />
{| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"<br />
! class="header" width="20%"| Level<br />
! class="header" | Items<br />
|-<br />
! 1<br />
| {{Item link|'Fish'}}{{n}}{{Item link|Description Tag}}{{n}}{{Item link|Moustachium Bar}}{{n}}{{Item link|Name Tag}}{{n}}[[Tokens]]{{n}}{{Item link|RIFT Well Spun Hat Claim Code}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scrap Metal}}{{n}}{{Item link|Secret Saxton}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spacemetal Scrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile Of Ash}}<br />
|-<br />
! 2<br />
| {{Item link|Reclaimed Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 3<br />
| {{Item link|Refined Metal}}<br />
|-<br />
! 4<br />
| {{Item link|Haunted Metal Scrap}}<br />
|-<br />
! 5<br />
| {{Item link|Director's Vision}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dueling Mini-Game}}{{n}}{{Item link|Festive Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Gift Wrap}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic (Taunt)}}{{n}}[[Noise Makers]]{{n}}[[Paint Can]]s{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Schadenfreude}}{{n}}{{Item link|Stocking Stuffer Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate Key}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Key}}<br />
|-<br />
! 10<br />
| {{Item link|Festive Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mann Co. Supply Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Refreshing Summer Cooler}}{{n}}{{Item link|Nice Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Naughty Winter Crate}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scorched Crate}}<br />
|-<br />
! 23<br />
| {{Item link|Pile o' Gifts}}<br />
|-<br />
! 50<br />
| {{Item link|Box of Fancy Hats}}{{n}}{{Item link|Demoman Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Dr. Grordbort's Victory Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Engineer Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Heavy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Japan Charity Bundle}}{{n}}[[Map Stamps]]{{n}}{{Item link|Map Stamps Collection}}{{n}}{{Item link|Medic Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Meet the Medic! Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Mobster Monday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Noise Maker Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pile of Nasty Weapons}}{{n}}{{Item link|Polycount Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Pyro Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Scout Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Sniper Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Soldier Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Spy Starter Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|Summer Sun Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Croc-o-Style Kit}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Emperor's Assortment}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Expert's Ordnance}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Gas Jockey's Gear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Hibernating Bear}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Medieval Medic}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Saharan Spy}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Special Delivery}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Tank Buster}}{{n}}{{Item link|The Uber Update Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Timbuk-Tuesday Bundle}}{{n}}{{Item link|Winter Update Pack}}{{n}}{{Item link|World War Wednesday Bundle}}<br />
|-<br />
!50-59<br />
| {{Item link|Backpack Expander}}<br />
|-<br />
!75<br />
| {{Item link|A Bargaining Manne's Bundle of Bargains}}<br />
|}<br />
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[[Category:Items]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1089168User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-14T21:59:54Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Unarmed Combat */ new section</p>
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<div>{{User:Hinaomi/header}}<br />
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{{Talk archive<br />
| arc1name=2011<br />
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
<br />
I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Signature image ==<br />
<br />
The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Edits ==<br />
<br />
Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
<br />
May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
<br />
I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
<br />
So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
<br />
Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
<br />
Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
<br />
Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hostility ==<br />
<br />
Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
<br />
There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
<br />
Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Bazooka ==<br />
<br />
Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:If it still exist in that page, [[Lollichop]], [[Unarmed Combat]] and [[Wanga Prick]] should have that too. But they didn't because they were remove before. That's why I removed it. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:42, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Wow! I didnt know that UC and WP has random levels too! SO! Thats why we must add this to trivia (or another section) for all of those 4 weapons. Ill do it ok? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:43, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I said "they were remove before". [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:10, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Unarmed Combat ==<br />
<br />
Hey use to read first my edit. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 14:59, 14 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&diff=1089167Unarmed Combat2012-07-14T21:59:47Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Hinaomi (Talk) (1089100) wtf? Its not the smae. Use to read 1st</p>
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<div>{{update}}<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Unarmed Combat.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| kill-icon-1 = Unarmed Combat<br />
| kill-text-1 = ARM KILL!<br />
| used-by = [[Scout]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048046}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Craft|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = <br />
| item-description = So nice of the Spy to lend an arm...<br />
| loadout-name = Unarmed Combat<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' to the Spy|Good hands, buddy!|sound=Scout_stunballhit09.wav}}<br />
The '''Unarmed Combat''' is a [[Weapon#scoutmelee|melee]] weapon for the [[Scout]]. It is the [[jigglebones|limp]] right arm of a team specific [[Spy]], with a ripped glove and a protruding bone that serves as a handle.<br />
<br />
This weapon functions similarly to the [[Holy Mackerel]]. However, it will display the phrase 'ARM KILL!' instead of 'FISH KILL!', and does not qualify as a piece of the [[Special Delivery (Item Set)|Special Delivery]] [[item set]].<br />
<br />
The Unarmed Combat was a [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813 contribution] to the [[Steam Workshop]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Bat]], [[Candy Cane]], [[Conscientious Objector]], [[Frying Pan]], [[Holy Mackerel]], [[Saxxy]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 35<br />
| point blank = 30-40<br />
| crit = 105<br />
| minicrit = 40-54<br />
<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.5 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Scout melee}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}} ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])'''<br />
* The Unarmed Combat was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* Fixed The Unarmed Combat's taunt not working<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* Upon hitting a Spy with the Dead Ringer out, the kill feed will not display 'ARM KILL!'. Instead, it will add to the number of times hit, thus notifying the player of the Spy's remaining presence.<br />
* After 24 hits on a single target, the weapon will no longer broadcast a hit announcement in the kill feed.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
* When hitting with the Unarmed Combat it will sometimes bend the wrist backwards or bend the elbow straight down.<br />
* If you assist an arm kill, it will not be highlighted in your kill feed like your other kills and assists.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's level does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* The description is a pun on the phrase "lending a hand" which means to help with a job or task.<br />
* According to the Steam Workshop, it was the creator's intention for the weapon to be of the enemy team's colour, so [[RED]] Scouts would be holding the arms of [[BLU]] Spies (and vice versa).<br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed combat thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
*[[Scout strategy#Holy Mackerel / Unarmed Combat|Unarmed Combat strategy]]<br />
*[[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
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{{VeryScaryHalloweenSpecialNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Scout Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&diff=1089086Unarmed Combat2012-07-14T19:16:27Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Bugs */ no lvl in bp</p>
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<div>{{update}}<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Unarmed Combat.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| kill-icon-1 = Unarmed Combat<br />
| kill-text-1 = ARM KILL!<br />
| used-by = [[Scout]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048046}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Craft|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = <br />
| item-description = So nice of the Spy to lend an arm...<br />
| loadout-name = Unarmed Combat<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' to the Spy|Good hands, buddy!|sound=Scout_stunballhit09.wav}}<br />
The '''Unarmed Combat''' is a [[Weapon#scoutmelee|melee]] weapon for the [[Scout]]. It is the [[jigglebones|limp]] right arm of a team specific [[Spy]], with a ripped glove and a protruding bone that serves as a handle.<br />
<br />
This weapon functions similarly to the [[Holy Mackerel]]. However, it will display the phrase 'ARM KILL!' instead of 'FISH KILL!', and does not qualify as a piece of the [[Special Delivery (Item Set)|Special Delivery]] [[item set]].<br />
<br />
The Unarmed Combat was a [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813 contribution] to the [[Steam Workshop]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Bat]], [[Candy Cane]], [[Conscientious Objector]], [[Frying Pan]], [[Holy Mackerel]], [[Saxxy]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 35<br />
| point blank = 30-40<br />
| crit = 105<br />
| minicrit = 40-54<br />
<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.5 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Scout melee}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}} ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])'''<br />
* The Unarmed Combat was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* Fixed The Unarmed Combat's taunt not working<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* Upon hitting a Spy with the Dead Ringer out, the kill feed will not display 'ARM KILL!'. Instead, it will add to the number of times hit, thus notifying the player of the Spy's remaining presence.<br />
* After 24 hits on a single target, the weapon will no longer broadcast a hit announcement in the kill feed.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
* When hitting with the Unarmed Combat it will sometimes bend the wrist backwards or bend the elbow straight down.<br />
* If you assist an arm kill, it will not be highlighted in your kill feed like your other kills and assists.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's level does not appear in the backpack view.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* The description is a pun on the phrase "lending a hand" which means to help with a job or task.<br />
* According to the Steam Workshop, it was the creator's intention for the weapon to be of the enemy team's colour, so [[RED]] Scouts would be holding the arms of [[BLU]] Spies (and vice versa).<br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed combat thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
*[[Scout strategy#Holy Mackerel / Unarmed Combat|Unarmed Combat strategy]]<br />
*[[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
<br />
{{VeryScaryHalloweenSpecialNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Scout Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=July_13,_2012_Patch&diff=1088963July 13, 2012 Patch2012-07-14T15:12:18Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo 3 changes. That was a schema update not patch</p>
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<div>{{Patch layout<br />
| before = {{Patch name|7|11|2012}}<br />
| day = 13<br />
| month = july<br />
| year = 2012<br />
| after = <br />
| source-title = Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source and Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Updates Released<br />
| source = http://store.steampowered.com/news/8406<br />
| notes = === Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM) ===<br />
* Fixed a client crash on exit (after connecting to a server using <code>sv_pure</code>)<br />
}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomic_Accolade&diff=1088621Atomic Accolade2012-07-14T08:37:37Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Genuine GAL (Talk) (1088616) my mistake ^^</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Atomic Accolade.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| used-by = [[Classes|All]]<br />
| equip-region = medal<br />
| released = {{Patch name|5|31|2012}}<br />
| availability = {{Avail|promotional|craft}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = yes<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Badge<br />
| item-description = Skip past all the boring busywork of science and get right to the exciting part: the fabulous prizes! This prestigious ribbon certifies your bravery in the field of excellence.<br />
| loadout-name = The Atomic Accolade<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' on getting his Ph.D|Hey, look at me, Ma!|sound=Scout_award02.wav}}<br />
<br />
The '''Atomic Accolade''' is a [[promotional items|promotional]] [[miscellaneous]] item for [[all classes]]. It is a white and team-colored ribbon with a golden Q-shaped logo at its center.<br />
<br />
This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-purchase ''[[Quantum Conundrum]]'' on [[Steam]] before June 21, 2012.<br />
<br />
== Painted variants ==<br />
{{Painted variants}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|5|31|2012}}'''<br />
* The Atomic Accolade was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|5|31|2012|id=954d8d4011dbea0cfb36d71d3dc5226c4e6845a5}}'''<br />
* Fixed the item showing the [[Gentle Manne's Service Medal]].<br />
* Updated [[backpack]] sounds, now sounds like a medal, rather than a small weapon.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|7|12|2012|id=de6f0ee8a9ee651fa7998e4995afd39954f0e634}}'''<br />
* Updated the Atomic Accolade so it can be traded and crafted.<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* An error in the [http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Material .vmt] file currently causes a shiny, over-saturated look when worn on the BLU team, whilst the color itself remains correct. The item's creator intended for it to have the same finish as when on RED.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/</ref><br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery perrow=3><br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Scout.png|[[Scout]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Soldier.png|[[Soldier]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Pyro.png|[[Pyro]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Demoman.png|[[Demoman]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Heavy.png|[[Heavy]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Engineer.png|[[Engineer]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Medic.png|[[Medic]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Sniper.png|[[Sniper]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Spy.png|[[Spy]]<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Promotion Announcement.png|Steam announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Last Chance Promo Announcement.png|Steam last chance announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Tf2_quantun_conundrum_promo.jpg|Promotional banner for the ''Quantum Conundrum'' items.<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_BLU_Fixed.png|The Atomic Accolade with the correct BLU textures.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Professor's Pineapple]]<br />
* [[Quadwrangler]]<br />
* [[Quantum Conundrum]]<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Quadwrangler&diff=1088620Quadwrangler2012-07-14T08:36:59Z<p>Genuine GAL: Undo edit by Genuine GAL (Talk) (1088615) my mistake ^^</p>
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<div>:''Not to be confused with the [[Wrangler]], a secondary weapon for the [[Engineer]].''<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Quadwrangler.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| used-by = [[Medic]]<br />
| equip-region = medic_gloves<br />
| released = {{Patch name|5|31|2012}}<br />
| availability = {{Avail|promotional|craft}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = no<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Science Project<br />
| item-description = This quantum-collared lab coat includes a handy rubber pipe that siphons blood from your heart, where it is not needed, to your shooting arm, where it is!<br />
| loadout-name = The Quadwrangler<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Medic''' on enhancing his shooting arm|I am prepared to do whatever it takes!|sound=Medic_autocappedcontrolpoint03.wav}}<br />
<br />
The '''Quadwrangler''' is a [[promotional items|promotional]] [[miscellaneous]] item for the [[Medic]]. It is a device attached to the back of the Medic's right hand with three team-colored and [[glow]]ing vials equipped with a [[Jiggle bones|jiggleboned]] tube that flows to a plug embedded in his upper arm. It also changes the collar of the Medic's normal lab coat, giving him a much larger cowl-like collar and revealing the collar of a team-colored turtle neck sweater.<br />
<br />
This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-purchase ''[[Quantum Conundrum]]'' on [[Steam]] before June 21, 2012.<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|5|31|2012}}'''<br />
* The Quadwrangler was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|7|12|2012|id=de6f0ee8a9ee651fa7998e4995afd39954f0e634}}'''<br />
* Updated the Quadwrangler so it can be traded and crafted.<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
* The [[backpack]] icon differs to the in-game model slightly, the clothing worn underneath Medic's coat is depicted as encircling his neck, but the model has only the piece at the front.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* The Quadwrangler started as an [[Engineer]] hand item. However, the development team thought the Medic lacked many good items, and decided to make the item for him.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/</ref><br />
* According to the development team, the Quadwrangler, along with the [[Atomic Accolade]] and [[Professor's Pineapple]], took approximately 8 days to make, from conception to submission.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/c4v5e5v/</ref><br />
*The Quadwrangler's name comes from the protagonist's uncle in Quantum Conundrum, who is named Professor Fitz Quadwrangle, and wears a coat similar to the item.<ref>http://uk.gamespot.com/events/pax2011/story.html?sid=6330901&pid=640914</ref><br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Promotion Announcement.png|Steam announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Last Chance Promo Announcement.png|Steam last chance announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Tf2_quantun_conundrum_promo.jpg|Promotional banner for the ''Quantum Conundrum'' items.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Atomic Accolade]]<br />
* [[Professor's Pineapple]]<br />
* [[Quantum Conundrum]]<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}<br />
{{Medic Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Self-illuminated]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomic_Accolade&diff=1088616Atomic Accolade2012-07-14T08:35:22Z<p>Genuine GAL: drop + fix</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Atomic Accolade.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| used-by = [[Classes|All]]<br />
| equip-region = medal<br />
| released = {{Patch name|5|31|2012}}<br />
| availability = {{Avail|promotional|craft|drop}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = yes<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Badge<br />
| item-description = Skip past all the boring busywork of science and get right to the exciting part: the fabulous prizes! This prestigious ribbon certifies your bravery in the field of excellence.<br />
| loadout-name = The Atomic Accolade<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' on getting his Ph.D|Hey, look at me, Ma!|sound=Scout_award02.wav}}<br />
<br />
The '''Atomic Accolade''' is a [[promotional items|promotional]] [[miscellaneous]] item for [[all classes]]. It is a white and team-colored ribbon with a golden Q-shaped logo at its center.<br />
<br />
This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-purchase ''[[Quantum Conundrum]]'' on [[Steam]] before June 21, 2012.<br />
<br />
== Painted variants ==<br />
{{Painted variants}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|5|31|2012}}'''<br />
* The Atomic Accolade was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|5|31|2012|id=954d8d4011dbea0cfb36d71d3dc5226c4e6845a5}}'''<br />
* Fixed the item showing the [[Gentle Manne's Service Medal]].<br />
* Updated [[backpack]] sounds, now sounds like a medal, rather than a small weapon.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|7|12|2012|id=de6f0ee8a9ee651fa7998e4995afd39954f0e634}}'''<br />
* Updated the Genuine Atomic Accolade so it can be traded and crafted.<br />
* This item can now be found via [[item drop system|random drop]].<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* An error in the [http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Material .vmt] file currently causes a shiny, over-saturated look when worn on the BLU team, whilst the color itself remains correct. The item's creator intended for it to have the same finish as when on RED.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/</ref><br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery perrow=3><br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Scout.png|[[Scout]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Soldier.png|[[Soldier]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Pyro.png|[[Pyro]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Demoman.png|[[Demoman]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Heavy.png|[[Heavy]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Engineer.png|[[Engineer]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Medic.png|[[Medic]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Sniper.png|[[Sniper]]<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_Spy.png|[[Spy]]<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Promotion Announcement.png|Steam announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Last Chance Promo Announcement.png|Steam last chance announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Tf2_quantun_conundrum_promo.jpg|Promotional banner for the ''Quantum Conundrum'' items.<br />
Image:Atomic_Accolade_BLU_Fixed.png|The Atomic Accolade with the correct BLU textures.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Professor's Pineapple]]<br />
* [[Quadwrangler]]<br />
* [[Quantum Conundrum]]<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Quadwrangler&diff=1088615Quadwrangler2012-07-14T08:34:17Z<p>Genuine GAL: drop + fix</p>
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<div>:''Not to be confused with the [[Wrangler]], a secondary weapon for the [[Engineer]].''<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = misc<br />
| image = Quadwrangler.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| used-by = [[Medic]]<br />
| equip-region = medic_gloves<br />
| released = {{Patch name|5|31|2012}}<br />
| availability = {{Avail|promotional|craft|drop}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| paint = no<br />
| rename = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Science Project<br />
| item-description = This quantum-collared lab coat includes a handy rubber pipe that siphons blood from your heart, where it is not needed, to your shooting arm, where it is!<br />
| loadout-name = The Quadwrangler<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Medic''' on enhancing his shooting arm|I am prepared to do whatever it takes!|sound=Medic_autocappedcontrolpoint03.wav}}<br />
<br />
The '''Quadwrangler''' is a [[promotional items|promotional]] [[miscellaneous]] item for the [[Medic]]. It is a device attached to the back of the Medic's right hand with three team-colored and [[glow]]ing vials equipped with a [[Jiggle bones|jiggleboned]] tube that flows to a plug embedded in his upper arm. It also changes the collar of the Medic's normal lab coat, giving him a much larger cowl-like collar and revealing the collar of a team-colored turtle neck sweater.<br />
<br />
This item was awarded in [[Genuine]] quality to players who pre-purchase ''[[Quantum Conundrum]]'' on [[Steam]] before June 21, 2012.<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|5|31|2012}}'''<br />
* The Quadwrangler was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{item schema|7|12|2012|id=de6f0ee8a9ee651fa7998e4995afd39954f0e634}}'''<br />
* Updated the Genuine Quadwrangler so it can be traded and crafted.<br />
* This item can now be found via [[item drop system|random drop]].<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
* The [[backpack]] icon differs to the in-game model slightly, the clothing worn underneath Medic's coat is depicted as encircling his neck, but the model has only the piece at the front.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* The Quadwrangler started as an [[Engineer]] hand item. However, the development team thought the Medic lacked many good items, and decided to make the item for him.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/</ref><br />
* According to the development team, the Quadwrangler, along with the [[Atomic Accolade]] and [[Professor's Pineapple]], took approximately 8 days to make, from conception to submission.<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ug0fn/im_so_excited_my_first_tf2_items_just_got_added/c4v5e5v/</ref><br />
*The Quadwrangler's name comes from the protagonist's uncle in Quantum Conundrum, who is named Professor Fitz Quadwrangle, and wears a coat similar to the item.<ref>http://uk.gamespot.com/events/pax2011/story.html?sid=6330901&pid=640914</ref><br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Promotion Announcement.png|Steam announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Quantum Conundrum - Last Chance Promo Announcement.png|Steam last chance announcement for the promotion.<br />
File:Tf2_quantun_conundrum_promo.jpg|Promotional banner for the ''Quantum Conundrum'' items.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Atomic Accolade]]<br />
* [[Professor's Pineapple]]<br />
* [[Quantum Conundrum]]<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
{{Promo nav}}<br />
{{HatNav}}<br />
{{Medic Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Self-illuminated]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genuine_GAL&diff=1087880User talk:Genuine GAL2012-07-13T14:35:55Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Beggar's Bazooka Trivia */</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genuine_GAL&diff=1087879User talk:Genuine GAL2012-07-13T14:35:01Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Beggar's Bazooka Trivia */</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genuine_GAL&diff=1087851User talk:Genuine GAL2012-07-13T14:11:04Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Beggar's Bazooka Trivia */</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:R4wrz0rz0r&diff=1087833User talk:R4wrz0rz0r2012-07-13T14:02:57Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Beggar's Bazooka */ new section</p>
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<div></div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Lollichop&diff=1087827Lollichop2012-07-13T14:00:41Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Bugs */ info about different levels</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = RED Lollichop.png<br />
| used-by = [[Pyro]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| released = [[Pyromania Update]]<br />
| availability = {{avail|drop|craft|purchase|Crate46-strange}}<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| medieval = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Fire Axe<br />
| item-description = Fill (split) your buddies' tummies (skulls) with delicious candy (cold steel) with this oversized sugary treat. (Equips Pyrovision.)<br />
| att-1-positive = On Equip: Visit Pyroland<br />
| att-2-negative = Only visible in Pyroland<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Pyro'''|Rrrr, mmmrrrrrrrrrg!|sound=Pyro_paincrticialdeath03.wav}}<br />
<br />
The '''Lollichop''' is a [[weapons#pyromelee|melee weapon]] for the [[Pyro]]. It is a team-colored lollipop with a white spiral pattern. This item may only be seen in-game by users who are in [[Pyroland]]. A Pyro with the Lollichop equipped will be shown as having the [[Fire Axe]] to players not in Pyroland.<br />
<br />
This weapon has its own [[taunt]]; upon pressing the taunt key, the Pyro will spin the weapon around and then lift it above the Pyro's head as in [[Meet the Pyro]]. This taunt can be seen by people not in Pyroland but will appear to be done with the [[Fire Axe]] instead.<br />
<br />
In combat, this weapon functions identically to the [[Fire Axe]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Fire Axe]], [[Third Degree]] <br />
<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 65<br />
| point blank = 55-75<br />
| crit = 195<br />
| minicrit = 75-101<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.8 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| autoresult = Pyro Melee<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Strange variant ==<br />
{{Strange item info<br />
| item-type = Fire Axe<br />
| rankson = kills<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Related achievements ==<br />
=== {{class link|Pyro}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Clearcutter}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Freezer Burn}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Lumberjack}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* The Lollichop was added to the game.<br />
* {{Undocumented}} Added [[Strange]] quality.<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* This weapon does not glow when crit boosted.<br />
* In the shop, this weapon is considered a [[Miscellaneous item|miscellaneous]] item.<br />
<br />
== Trivia ==<br />
* Each Lollichop has different level.<br />
<br />
== Unused content ==<br />
* The Lollichop is set up for paint to be applied to it, but the ability to do so is not turned on.<br />
<br />
==Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Lollichop 1st person RED.png|[[RED]] first-person view.<br />
File:Lollichop 1st person BLU.png|[[BLU]] first-person view.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
*[[Basic Pyro strategy#Fire Axe / Saxxy / Conscientious Objector / Frying Pan / Lollichop|Fire Axe strategy]]<br />
*[[Fire Axe]]<br />
*[[Meet the Pyro]]<br />
<br />
{{PyromaniaNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Pyro Nav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&diff=1087825Unarmed Combat2012-07-13T14:00:01Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Trivia */ info about different levels</p>
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<div>{{update}}<br />
{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Unarmed Combat.png<br />
| team-colors = yes<br />
| kill-icon-1 = Unarmed Combat<br />
| kill-text-1 = ARM KILL!<br />
| used-by = [[Scout]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048046}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|Craft|Purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = <br />
| item-description = So nice of the Spy to lend an arm...<br />
| loadout-name = Unarmed Combat<br />
}}<br />
{{Quotation|'''The Scout''' to the Spy|Good hands, buddy!|sound=Scout_stunballhit09.wav}}<br />
The '''Unarmed Combat''' is a [[Weapon#scoutmelee|melee]] weapon for the [[Scout]]. It is the [[jigglebones|limp]] right arm of a team specific [[Spy]], with a ripped glove and a protruding bone that serves as a handle.<br />
<br />
This weapon functions similarly to the [[Holy Mackerel]]. However, it will display the phrase 'ARM KILL!' instead of 'FISH KILL!', and does not qualify as a piece of the [[Special Delivery (Item Set)|Special Delivery]] [[item set]].<br />
<br />
The Unarmed Combat was a [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1813 contribution] to the [[Steam Workshop]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Bat]], [[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 35<br />
| point blank = 30-40<br />
| crit = 105<br />
| minicrit = 40-54<br />
<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.5 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Scout melee}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}} ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])'''<br />
* The Unarmed Combat was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* Fixed The Unarmed Combat's taunt not working<br />
* The Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Upon hitting a Spy with the Dead Ringer out, the kill feed will not display 'ARM KILL!'. Instead, it will add to the number of times hit, thus notifying the player of the Spy's remaining presence.<br />
* After 24 hits on a single target, the weapon will no longer broadcast a hit announcement in the kill feed.<br />
* The Unarmed Combat does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
* When hitting with the Unarmed Combat it will sometimes bend the wrist backwards or bend the elbow straight down.<br />
* If you assist an arm kill, it will not be highlighted in your kill feed like your other kills and assists.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* The description is a pun on the phrase "lending a hand" which means to help with a job or task.<br />
* According to the Steam Workshop, it was the creator's intention for the weapon to be of the enemy team's colour, so [[RED]] Scouts would be holding the arms of [[BLU]] Spies (and vice versa).<br />
* Each Unarmed Combat has different level.<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed Combat 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Unarmed combat thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail<br />
</gallery><br />
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== See also ==<br />
*[[Scout strategy#Holy Mackerel / Unarmed Combat|Unarmed Combat strategy]]<br />
*[[Holy Mackerel]]<br />
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{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Scout Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]<br />
[[Category:Jiggleboned]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Wanga_Prick&diff=1087822Wanga Prick2012-07-13T13:59:29Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Trivia */ info about different levels</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Wanga Prick.png<br />
| kill-icon-2 = backstab<br />
| used-by = [[Spy]]<br />
| slot = melee<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561197993425825|564048045}}<br />
| released = {{update link|Very Scary Halloween Special}}<br />
| availability = {{avail|craft|purchase}}<br />
| trade = yes<br />
| gift = yes<br />
| craft = yes<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| loadout-prefix = none<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Knife<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
}}<br />
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{{Quotation|'''The Spy'''|Does it ''hurt'' when I do that? It does, doesn't it?!|sound=Spy_DominationMedic06.wav}}<br />
The '''Wanga Prick''' is a [[Steam Workshop|community-made]] [[Weapons#spymelee|melee weapon]] for the [[Spy]]. It is an over-sized voodoo pin with a cracked ''Team Fortress 2'' "death skull" serving as part of the handle.<br />
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This weapon functions identically to [[Your Eternal Reward]]. It does not function as a substitute in the [[Saharan Spy]] [[item set]].<br />
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[[Taunting]] with the Wanga Prick equipped will perform the [[Fencing]] kill taunt. Kills made will be silent and the victim's corpse will disappear. However, the disguise effect will not be activated even if the taunt hits the victim's back.<br />
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The Wanga Prick was [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1527 contributed] to the [[Steam Workshop]] under the name "Voodoo Pin".<br />
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== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Your Eternal Reward]]<br />
<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 40<br />
| point blank = 34-46<br />
| backstab = {{tooltip|600%|Of target's current health}}<br />
| minicrit = 46-62<br />
| crit = {{tooltip|120|Only while crit boosted}}<br />
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| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.8 s<br />
}}<br />
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{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
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== Crafting ==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
=== Blueprint ===<br />
{{Blueprint | autoresult = Spy Melee}}<br />
== Related achievements ==<br />
=== {{Class link|Soldier}}===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|War Crime Spybunal}}<br />
}}<br />
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==={{Class link|Sniper}}===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Sniper|Consolation Prize}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Sniper|Shock Treatment}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==={{Class link|Spy}}===<br />
{{Knife related achievements}}<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|10|27|2011}}''' ([[Very Scary Halloween Special]])<br />
* The Wanga Prick was added to the game.<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
* Backstabbing an [[Engineer]] while he is hauling a Building will result in the killfeed displaying the Building's destruction to the enemy team.<br />
* This weapon does not Cloak on friendly cloaked Spies or in first-person view.<br />
* The Wanga Prick does not glow when [[Critical hits#Crit boost|crit-boosted]].<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* A wanga (sometimes spelled 'oanga' or 'wanger') is a magical charm packet found in the folk magic practices of Haiti.<br />
* Each Wanga Prick has different level.<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery perrow="5"><br />
File:Wanga Prick 1st person red.png|[[RED]] first-person view<br />
File:Wanga Prick ready to Backstab 1st person red.png|RED first-person view, ready to Backstab.<br />
File:Wanga Prick 1st person blu.png|[[BLU]] first-person view<br />
File:Wanga Prick ready to Backstab 1st person blu.png|BLU first-person view, ready to Backstab.<br />
File:Wanga_Prick_workshop_preview.png|Steam Workshop thumbnail image.<br />
</gallery><br />
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== See also ==<br />
*[[Spy strategy#Your Eternal Reward / Wanga Prick|Wanga Prick strategy]]<br />
*[[Backstab]]<br />
*[[Disguise]]<br />
*[[Your Eternal Reward]]<br />
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{{VeryScaryHalloweenSpecialNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Spy Nav}}<br />
[[Category:Reskins]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&diff=1087821Beggar's Bazooka2012-07-13T13:58:53Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Trivia */ adding back</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Beggar's Bazooka.png<br />
| used-by = [[Soldier]]<br />
| slot = primary<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561198000373363|916889216}}<br />
| released = [[Pyromania Update]]<br />
| availability = {{avail|craft|purchase|drop}}<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| medieval = no<br />
| ammo-loaded = 0<br />
| ammo-carried = 20<br />
| reload = Single<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Rocket Launcher<br />
| att-1-positive = Hold Fire to load up to three rockets<br />
| att-2-positive = Release Fire to unleash the barrage<br />
| att-3-negative = +3 degrees random projectile deviation<br />
| att-4-negative = Overloading the chamber will cause a misfire<br />
| att-5-negative = Cannot collect ammo from dispensers<br />
}}<br />
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{{Quotation|'''Beggar's Bazooka''' publicity blurb|What is better than killing a man with a highly explosive high velocity projectile launcher? Killing a man with a highly explosive high velocity projectile launcher that '''YOU HAVE MADE'''!}}<br />
The '''Beggar's Bazooka''' is a [[Weapons#soldierprimary|primary weapon]] for the [[Soldier]]. It is a crude Rocket Launcher made from pipes, mismatched handles and a filter held together with bolts, electrical tape, and various straps and belts. A funnel is attached to the end as a makeshift exhaust port.<br />
<br />
The Beggar's Bazooka starts with 0 rounds in its clip. Upon pressing and holding down primary fire, the Soldier will begin loading rockets into the front of the launcher, and will continue to do so as long as primary fire is held down. Upon releasing, the Soldier will fire all stored rockets in quick succession, each with a maximum spread of 3 degrees. Up to three rockets can be loaded and fired in this fashion; however, if the player attempts to load a fourth rocket, it will misfire, heavily damaging the Soldier and any enemies around him. If the player has no ammo in reserve, any rounds in the Beggar's Bazooka's clip will not be fired until the primary fire key is released. Misfires can be used for powerful rocket jumps, due to its largely damaging explosion occurring very near to the player.<br />
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The Beggar's Bazooka cannot collect ammo from [[Dispenser]]s, so Soldiers using the weapon must rely on collecting ammo from ammo packs, using the [[Resupply Cabinet]] or picking up weapons dropped by dead players.<br />
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The Beggar's Bazooka was [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3022 contributed] to the [[Steam Workshop]] under the name "Doe's Dumpster Device".<br />
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== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| type = [[Projectile]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 90<br />
| ramp up % = 125<br />
| ramp up = 112<br />
| fall off = 48<br />
| fall off % = 53<br />
| point blank = 105-112<br />
| medium range = 50-90<br />
| long range = 45-60<br />
| minicrit = 122<br />
| crit = 270<br />
| splash damage = yes<br />
| splash min % = 50<br />
| splash radius = 9 ft<br />
| splash reduction = 1% / {{Tooltip|2.88|Hammer units}}<br />
| selfdamage = 27-89 / {{Tooltip|90|Overload self-damage}}<br />
| selfdamage jump = 27-46<br />
}}<br />
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==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| ingredient-1 = Reclaimed Metal<br />
| ingredient-2 = Direct Hit<br />
| ingredient-2-amount = 3<br />
| result = Beggar's Bazooka<br />
}}<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| autoresult = Soldier Primary<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Related achievements ==<br />
=== {{Class link|Soldier}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Backdraft Dodger}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Crockets Are Such B.S.}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|For Whom the Shell Trolls}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Death from Above}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Mutually Assured Destruction}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Tri-Splatteral Damage}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Where Eagles Dare}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Pyro}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Hotshot}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Pilot Light}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Hot Potato}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Heavy}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| {{Show achievement|heavy|Crock Block}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Sniper}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Sniper|Jumper Stumper}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* The Beggar's Bazooka was added to the game.<br />
<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|28|2012}}'''<br />
* Fixed exploit that allowed Beggar's Bazooka to indefinitely hold rockets in the chamber without misfiring.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|7|5|2012}}'''<br />
* Fixed The Beggar's Bazooka exploding on random targets in the world when overloading.<br />
* Added new recoil forces for The Beggar's Bazooka, The [[Cleaner's Carbine]], The [[Hitman's Heatmaker]], The [[Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol]] and The [[Scorch Shot]].<br />
<br />
==Bugs==<br />
* If the player is [[stun]]ned, scared or [[taunts]] while loading rockets, the Soldier will fire all loaded rockets similarly to the [[Cow Mangler 5000]]'s charged shot.<br />
* Rockets will occasionally hang stationary in the air until a player runs into it.<br />
* Tapping the primary fire button will cause the shot to not play the firing sound.<br />
<br />
==Trivia==<br />
* The Beggar's Bazooka was first teased in the [[Team Fortress 2 is Free to Play]] video.<br />
* Each Beggar's Bazooka has different level.<br />
<br />
== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Beggar's Bazooka 1st person.png|First-person view.<br />
File:Steamworkshop_tf2_doesdumpster_thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail image of the Beggar's Bazooka.<br />
File:F2P_Update_40s_Soldier_Rocket_Laucher.png|The Beggar's Bazooka as seen in the Team Fortress 2 is Free to Play video.<br />
File:Tf2 submission dumpster pack by populus13-d38glnm.jpg|Promotional Material image.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[Soldier strategy#Beggar's Bazooka|Beggar's Bazooka strategy]]<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/cityonfire/ Pyromania Day 2: City on Fire]<br />
* [http://populus13.deviantart.com/art/TF2-Submission-Dumpster-Pack-195610018 Promotional Material]<br />
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{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
}}<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
}}<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== should we have a section for MVM? ==<br />
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I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF. <br />
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== City on Fire Item Sets ==<br />
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[[Public Enemy]]<br><br />
[[Urban Professional]]<br><br />
[[Dumpster Diver]]<br />
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Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]]. <br />
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Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?<br />
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Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?<br />
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1087812User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-13T13:43:42Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Bazooka */</p>
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
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I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Signature image ==<br />
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The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
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May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
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I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
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So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
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Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
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Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
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Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hostility ==<br />
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Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
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There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
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Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bazooka ==<br />
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Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:If it still exist in that page, [[Lollichop]], [[Unarmed Combat]] and [[Wanga Prick]] should have that too. But they didn't because they were remove before. That's why I removed it. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:42, 13 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Wow! I didnt know that UC and WP has random levels too! SO! Thats why we must add this to trivia (or another section) for all of those 4 weapons. Ill do it ok? --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:43, 13 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hinaomi&diff=1087743User talk:Hinaomi2012-07-13T11:53:59Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Bazooka */ new section</p>
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== Edit warring over Black Rose and other articles ==<br />
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I don't want to keep seeing this, you and and MLGM need to duke it out over a talk page instead of the main articles themselves. If there isn't something you agree on come to a compromise. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 22:03, 20 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's not warring. I think the region block is trivia, he think not. so I asked him why remove, he said It isn't trivia. Then I moved it to Notes section, and he edited some grammar.<br />
:In another class page, I talked with him so I keep only In-game Tips, and he can edit anything.<br />
:That's all. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 01:19, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Okay, then how about I say it this way: Don't be immediately hostile about it next time. If you undo someone's edit and they aren't happy about it and try to revert it. Instead of undoing it yet again, try talking to them on their talk page and if they aren't reasonable get the help of a staff member. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It was just a series of edits. The Black Rose seems to be done for now, so he nor I won't be touching it for the time being. Just to get this out of the way though.. ''is the region section trivia, or notes?'' [[User:MLGM|- MLGM]] 06:23, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::: Putting here for posterity. It isn't trivia but it should be remembered for when the bug is fixed and edited appropriately. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:40, 21 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Signature image ==<br />
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The killicon in your signature is a tad too big and messes up the line spacing between comments. It should be no more than 19px tall, [[User:Smashman/Signature rules|see here]]. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok I'll change to Another one :) [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 05:58, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ok now? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:14, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Iz good =) though you could have used the same one, just a bit smaller [[File:Killicon_big_kill.png|19xpx]] XD '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:47, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::It's too small, that why I change to another one XD [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:48, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
Can I please get the full sized image of that pic?! [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:15, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Why? O_O [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:16, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I want to see how she looks [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:21, 25 May 2012 (PDT) <span style="color: transparent;">and if she's hot :3</span><br />
::: Here you go : http://www.zerochan.net/641985 [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:24, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: Thank you very much :D [[User:LiquidFire|LiquidFire]] 06:25, 25 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bug undo ==<br />
I see why you undid that bug now. My mistake. Could you quickly take a look at the bug I have mentioned in the Point and Shoot discussion and see if you think it is worth mentioning? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 14:22, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I think no, because this bug was previously on [[Aperture Labs Hard Hat]] and [[Killer Exclusive]] page. And now those page don't have this bug. I think it's [[Disguise Kit]] bug more than Point and Shoot bug. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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Why in the world did you remove [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Liquor_Locker&diff=1046808&oldid=1046806 my edit]? The contribution page had the approved tag. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 14:15, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Damn, I was move style templete to over update history. I didn't remove it. I think it was a mistake by wiki. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:57, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Thanks for all ==<br />
<small>Written under the inspiration that the free will and the free word are applied to everything on the wiki</small><br><br />
As you maybe saw my nomination was revoked but fear not there is a worthy reason for it. My translations are not very bad, but still bad. My grammar is to much orientated onto the english one and still sucks. <br><br />
So i just wanted to inform you, and all other backers that i liked your text which you wrote about but still it's without a meaning.<br> <br />
As an compensation for my harsh words i allow you to see my nomination discussion which was revoked. <br><br><br />
Your log password is kyfkgys3hib739 <br><br />
You can check your logs at http://irc.biringa.com/access-log/?c=tfwiki-cap&s=TheDoctor <br>using the password above and the date 2012-06-17<br><br />
<br />
May it help you to understand that when all 22 moderator discuss about a nomination that you only need to persuade the important moderators which have the right timezone, and still are active.<br><br />
<br />
I move on and leave the wiki because i think no one cares about the "weaker" languages, and my suggestions and cries for help on my language are used as a sign of pestering against me.<br />
The long waits between nominations and the discussions and the denial of my opinions to make it better, made it clear to me that there is only one step to make the wiki more efficient and i mean not my grammar skill. I would like to have half of the wiki staff replaced with more active and more dedicated persons. Or even better no moderator at all and a general overlooking rule by all editors, the people. (i was the lonely overlooker in german...) <br><br />
But as i know that this is not happening, and i'm not dedicated(<funny word) enough, the best is to stop my drone work and dont pester around anymore. I have no right to speak bad and upset anyone, but i can at least express to you what i'm doing and why i'm doing it.<br><br />
You maybe think that this is a cheap and it is indeed cheap, but i think if you have one right, then it is the right to express your feelings and your reasoning to a person which back'ed you up. So at last i give you a great tipp: You should always consider: FreeXMan as your friend, he is an awesomely nice guy, and also Epic_Eric of course. The rest of the moderators are still an unwritten book to me, but with the right key you can unlock them maybe, i never got into these people's head.<br> <br />
<br />
So i wish you the best for the future on the wiki, but for me the wiki has died. Goodbye [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== [[ARG]] ==<br />
<br />
Don't move it again, it's separate from the resulting update. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Ok [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 09:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== SEROZVEZD ==<br />
<br />
Don't be so hard on him, especially if you're talking about "non-sense"; to say it simply, practice what you preach. He was only trying to improve the pages, and telling him that what he added is nonsense is both untrue and hurtful. Please be mindful of what you say. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Another didn't do that before, and I didn't see the point about his edit. So if you think it makes him hurtful, I'll unwatch some edit and let people do anything they want next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:52, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::You obviously don't understand my point. Next time, {{w|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}}, and don't have personal outbursts against editors. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:54, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Umm, but still think his edit is non-sense. Anyway, I'll remove some bad word in that talk. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 10:56, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::For the love of everything that is good and well stop saying "non-sense". It's not a word and nobody understands what you mean. The edit was fine and was in good faith, calling it nonsense assumes bad faith. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:58, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::{{c|Done}} remove those bad word. And I don't have much time for now (Need to do homework) [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:00, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Stop reverting pages based on your personal opinion #2 ==<br />
I would like to join my fellow wikians to ask you to stop making reverts based on your opinion. I reported a serious bug with the dead ringer that breaks DR gameplay and you decide to revert it without comment or discussion. We are on the same team here --[[User:Wennerj|Wennerj]] 11:01, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:So that's "really" need to "have a new section"? And I think it isn't bug, but it's mechanic.<br />
:And next time, don't use same topic as old topic. Please create the new one. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 11:14, 3 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Kill taunt ==<br />
<br />
Can you please explain why you the words you are removing describing kill taunts are unnecessary? Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:26, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Because I want to make same at all page. So make it simple is easier. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:28, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Including the word "kill" is important. You are forcing the reader to click the link to understand that the taunt can kill people. By making it "consistent" you are making it make less sense. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:32, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I'll re-add "kill" after "taunt" later. Anyway, thanks for response. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:33, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Please stop making the edits until we finish discussing it. [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1083425 The change you just made to Eyelander] is incorrect too. "Taunt kill" is not as correct as "kill taunt". The latter makes it more clear that the taunt does not always kill. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:36, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Your change to [[Rainblower]] removes important information about the effects of the taunt in and out of Pyroland. Stop making changes that "improve consistency" that also remove important information. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 03:38, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Alright, I'll revert my edits back and start again. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:42, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Hostility ==<br />
<br />
Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, stop being so hostile.<br />
<br />
There are better ways to say "are your eyes nearly close?" [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:40, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Fast type, but still same meaning. Just grammar wrong. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:41, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::He is not talking about your English, he was talking about how hostile you were being. Stop being hostile. I'm not asking you to, I'm telling you to. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I was answer second question, Rz.<br />
:::And about hostile, if he didn't edit like [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Burning_Bongos&diff=prev&oldid=1083128 this], [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Atomizer&diff=prev&oldid=1083773 this] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Garry%27s_Mod&diff=prev&oldid=1083791 this]. So I think he should read guideline first. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:46, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::1. Read The Goonies on Wikipedia. First three words are an explanation. Also, no offense, but I don't know if you should be going on me about correcting <nowiki>grammar.<br />
2. There was nothing wrong with that edit.<br />
3. That was my mistake.<br />
It doesn't matter which question you were answering, neither of them referenced your English. I am only asking you to not be so hostile.</nowiki> [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 09:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Just because he makes edits that you believe are incorrect doesn't mean he's less of a ''human being'' than you are. Treat others with respect. This is the second time I've told you to assume good faith. Don't push a third time. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 09:56, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::I'm not good at English because Thai is my mother language, not English. Sorry for my bad, and sometimes I don't know what word should need to use. Please understand. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Unintended hostility is still hostility. If you are aware of a problem you should try your best to fix it. Taking a break while you learn more English is a good solution. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:03, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Sorry, but can't. I don't have enough time to do like that because my reason about family. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:06, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Hinaomi. While your efforts to patrol edits are appreciated, it's been noticed that some of your undo summaries come off as a little bit hostile. I understand that English isn't your mother tongue, so I think it's best if you generally avoid making comments in the undo summary. Instead, I suggest you simply put a link to the style guide or trivia guidelines or whatever else may be appropriate to the edit. That way, we can avoid any miscommunication. Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:09, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for the solution. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 10:10, 10 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
<br />
Where did Valve say the Holy Mackerel is a unique weapon? o_o [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 10:55, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I saw on [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]'s reason, ask him is better than ask me. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 11:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Bazooka ==<br />
<br />
Hi. Why you deleted [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&action=historysubmit&diff=1086538&oldid=1086202 my edit]? 99% of weapons have fixed level so its interesting to add info about the levels. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 04:53, 13 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Rainblower&diff=1087592Rainblower2012-07-13T07:41:06Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Update history */ fixed Strange Part Posthumous Kills</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = RED Rainblower.png<br />
| used-by = [[Pyro]]<br />
| slot = primary<br />
| contributed-by = <br />
| released = [[Pyromania Update]]<br />
| availability = {{avail|drop|craft|purchase|Crate46-strange}}<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| medieval = <br />
| ammo-loaded = 200<br />
| ammo-carried = N/A<br />
| reload = No Reload<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 10 Flame Thrower<br />
| item-description = Your friends (enemies) will squeal with delight (be consumed with fire) when you cover them in sparkly rainbows (all-consuming fire). (Equips Pyrovision.)<br />
| att-1-positive = On Equip: Visit Pyroland<br />
| att-2-negative = Only visible in Pyroland<br />
| loadout-name = The Rainblower<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''Rainblower'''' publicity blurb.|Your friends (enemies) will squeal with delight (be consumed with fire) when you cover them with sparkling rainbows (all consuming fire). }}<br />
<br />
The '''Rainblower''' is a [[weapons#pyroprimary|primary weapon]] for the [[Pyro]]. It appears as a series of three brass horns with long, spiraling piping and a container of sparkly team-colored fluid. It sprays out a stream of colorful bubbles and rainbows. This item may only be seen in-game by users who are in [[Pyroland]]. A Pyro with the Rainblower equipped will be shown as having the [[Flamethrower]] to players not in Pyroland. The Rainblower makes windchime sounds when held.<br />
<br />
[[Taunting]] with the Rainblower equipped will perform the [[Armageddon]] kill taunt, igniting and potentially killing anyone in the area. Unlike other Pyroland-related items, players not in Pyroland will also see this taunt but with a slight difference; instead of forming a rainbow at the beginning of the taunt, the Pyro will appear to breathe a stream of fire from its mouth.<br />
<br />
In combat this weapon functions identically to the [[Flamethrower]].<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| identical = [[Backburner]], [[Flame Thrower]]<br />
| type = Particle<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| flame close = {{tooltip|6.82 / particle|153.45 / s}}<br />
| flame far = {{tooltip|4.09 / particle|92.07 / s}}<br />
| crit = {{tooltip|12-21 / particle|276.21-460.35 / s}}<br />
| minicrit = {{tooltip|6-9 / particle|138.16-230.23 / s}}<br />
| afterburn = {{tooltip|3/tick|6/s}}<br/>60 total<br />
| afterburn minicrit = {{tooltip|4/tick|8/s}}<br/>80 total<br />
| function times = yes<br />
| attack interval = 0.04 s<br />
| ammo interval = 0.08 s<br />
| airblast cooldown = 0.75 s<br />
| afterburn time = 10 s<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Flame damage is proportional to particle lifetime instead of distance from target. Unlike most weapons, [[critical hits]] are also affected by the scaling. Additionally, there is a very slight damage variance (±0.08/particle) due to differences in particle angles.<br />
<br />
{{Weapon Demonstration}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| autoresult = Pyro Primary<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Strange variant ==<br />
{{Strange item info<br />
| item-type = Flame Thrower<br />
| rankson = kills<br />
| can deal damage = yes<br />
| can deal gib damage = no<br />
| can headshot = no<br />
| can reflect projectiles = yes<br />
| can deal posthumous damage = yes<br />
| can extinguish = yes<br />
| notes =<br />
| item-description = Your friends (enemies) will squeal with delight (be consumed with fire) when you cover them in sparkly rainbows (all-consuming fire. (Equips Pyrovision.)<br />
| att-1-positive = On Equip: Visit Pyroland<br />
| att-2-negative = Only visible in Pyroland<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Related achievements ==<br />
=== [[File:Achieved.png|20px|link=Achievements]] [[achievements|General]] ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|General|Escape the Heat}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|General|Flamethrower}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Soldier}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Backdraft Dodger}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Semper Fry}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Pyro}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Baptism by Fire}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Burn Ward}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Controlled Burn}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Combined Fire}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Cooking the Books}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Firewall}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Firewatch}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Freezer Burn}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Full Spectrum Warrior}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Got A Light?}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Hot on Your Heels}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Hot Potato}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Hotshot}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|I Fry}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Makin' Bacon}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Next of Kindling}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|OMGWTFBBQ}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Pilot Light}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Pyromancer}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Second Degree Burn}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Spontaneous Combustion}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Trailblazer}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Weenie Roast}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Heavy}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Heavy|Rasputin}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Engineer}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Engineer|The Extinguished Gentleman}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Medic}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Medic|Autoclave}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Medic|Infernal Medicine}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Sniper}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Sniper|Friendship is Golden}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{class link|Spy}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Spy|Burn Notice}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* The Rainblower was added to the game.<br />
* {{Undocumented}} Added [[Strange]] quality.<br />
<br />
'''{{Patch name|7|5|2012}}'''<br />
* Fixed the [[Armageddon|Rainblower taunt]] attacking players through walls.<br />
* Optimized the Rainblower taunt particles<br />
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'''{{item schema|7|12|2012|id=de6f0ee8a9ee651fa7998e4995afd39954f0e634}}'''<br />
* Fixed Strange Rainblower so [[Strange Part]] Posthumous Kills can be applied to it.<br />
<br />
== Bugs ==<br />
* This weapon does not glow when crit boosted.<br />
* Occasionally the looping flame sound reverts to the Flamethrower's looping sound.<br />
* If you taunt and slip off an edge resulting in you falling, the taunt cancels and you can run around while your rainbow stays to kill anyone within the range.<br />
* If get killed while taunting on an edge, the taunt will still present.<br />
<br />
==Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Rainblower 1st person RED.png|[[RED]] first-person view.<br />
File:Rainblower 1st person BLU.png|[[BLU]] first person view.<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
*[[Pyro strategy#Flamethrower / Festive Flamethrower / Rainblower|Rainblower strategy]]<br />
*[[Flamethrower]]<br />
*[[Meet the Pyro]]<br />
<br />
{{PyromaniaNav}}<br />
{{Allweapons Nav}}<br />
{{Pyro Nav}}</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Beggar%27s_Bazooka&diff=1086538Beggar's Bazooka2012-07-12T11:10:30Z<p>Genuine GAL: info about levels + nav templates down</p>
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<div>{{Item infobox<br />
| type = weapon<br />
| image = Beggar's Bazooka.png<br />
| used-by = [[Soldier]]<br />
| slot = primary<br />
| contributed-by = {{Backpack Item Link|76561198000373363|916889216}}<br />
| released = [[Pyromania Update]]<br />
| availability = {{avail|craft|purchase|drop}}<br />
| numbered = yes<br />
| medieval = no<br />
| ammo-loaded = 0<br />
| ammo-carried = 20<br />
| reload = Single<br />
| loadout = yes<br />
| level = Level 1-100 Rocket Launcher<br />
| att-1-positive = Hold Fire to load up to three rockets<br />
| att-2-positive = Release Fire to unleash the barrage<br />
| att-3-negative = +3 degrees random projectile deviation<br />
| att-4-negative = Overloading the chamber will cause a misfire<br />
| att-5-negative = Cannot collect ammo from dispensers<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
{{Quotation|'''Beggar's Bazooka''' publicity blurb|What is better than killing a man with a highly explosive high velocity projectile launcher? Killing a man with a highly explosive high velocity projectile launcher that '''YOU HAVE MADE'''!}}<br />
The '''Beggar's Bazooka''' is a [[Weapons#soldierprimary|primary weapon]] for the [[Soldier]]. It is a crude Rocket Launcher made from pipes, mismatched handles and a filter held together with bolts, electrical tape, and various straps and belts. A funnel is attached to the end as a makeshift exhaust port.<br />
<br />
The Beggar's Bazooka starts with 0 rounds in its clip. Upon pressing and holding down primary fire, the Soldier will begin loading rockets into the front of the launcher, and will continue to do so as long as primary fire is held down. Upon releasing, the Soldier will fire all stored rockets in quick succession, each with a maximum spread of 3 degrees. Up to three rockets can be loaded and fired in this fashion; however, if the player attempts to load a fourth rocket, it will misfire, heavily damaging the Soldier and any enemies around him. If the player has no ammo in reserve, any rounds in the Beggar's Bazooka's clip will not be fired until the primary fire key is released. Misfires can be used for powerful rocket jumps, due to its largely damaging explosion occurring very near to the player.<br />
<br />
The Beggar's Bazooka cannot collect ammo from [[Dispenser]]s, so Soldiers using the weapon must rely on collecting ammo from ammo packs, using the [[Resupply Cabinet]] or picking up weapons dropped by dead players.<br />
<br />
The Beggar's Bazooka was [http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3022 contributed] to the [[Steam Workshop]] under the name "Doe's Dumpster Device".<br />
<br />
== Damage and function times ==<br />
{{Damage table<br />
| type = [[Projectile]]<br />
| damage = yes<br />
| base = 90<br />
| ramp up % = 125<br />
| ramp up = 112<br />
| fall off = 48<br />
| fall off % = 53<br />
| point blank = 105-112<br />
| medium range = 50-90<br />
| long range = 45-60<br />
| minicrit = 122<br />
| crit = 270<br />
| splash damage = yes<br />
| splash min % = 50<br />
| splash radius = 9 ft<br />
| splash reduction = 1% / {{Tooltip|2.88|Hammer units}}<br />
| selfdamage = 27-89 / {{Tooltip|90|Overload self-damage}}<br />
| selfdamage jump = 27-46<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Crafting==<br />
{{See also|Crafting}}<br />
<br />
===Blueprint===<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| ingredient-1 = Reclaimed Metal<br />
| ingredient-2 = Direct Hit<br />
| ingredient-2-amount = 3<br />
| result = Beggar's Bazooka<br />
}}<br />
{{Blueprint<br />
| autoresult = Soldier Primary<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Related achievements ==<br />
=== {{Class link|Soldier}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Backdraft Dodger}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Crockets Are Such B.S.}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|For Whom the Shell Trolls}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Death from Above}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Soldier|Mutually Assured Destruction}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Tri-Splatteral Damage}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Soldier|Where Eagles Dare}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Pyro}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Hotshot}}<br />
{{Show achievement|Pyro|Pilot Light}}<br />
| 2 = {{Show achievement|Pyro|Hot Potato}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Heavy}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| {{Show achievement|heavy|Crock Block}}<br />
}}<br />
<br />
=== {{Class link|Sniper}} ===<br />
{{Achievement table<br />
| 1 = {{Show achievement|Sniper|Jumper Stumper}}<br />
}}<br />
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== Update history ==<br />
'''{{Patch name|6|27|2012}}''' ([[Pyromania Update]])<br />
* The Beggar's Bazooka was added to the game.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|6|28|2012}}'''<br />
* Fixed exploit that allowed Beggar's Bazooka to indefinitely hold rockets in the chamber without misfiring.<br />
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'''{{Patch name|7|5|2012}}'''<br />
* Fixed The Beggar's Bazooka exploding on random targets in the world when overloading.<br />
* Added new recoil forces for The Beggar's Bazooka, The [[Cleaner's Carbine]], The [[Hitman's Heatmaker]], The [[Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol]] and The [[Scorch Shot]].<br />
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==Bugs==<br />
* If the player is [[stun]]ned, scared or [[taunts]] while loading rockets, the Soldier will fire all loaded rockets similarly to the [[Cow Mangler 5000]]'s charged shot.<br />
* Rockets will occasionally hang stationary in the air until a player runs into it.<br />
* Tapping the primary fire button will cause the shot to not play the firing sound.<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
* The Beggar's Bazooka was first teased in the [[Team Fortress 2 is Free to Play]] video.<br />
* Each Beggar's Bazooka has different level unlike other weapons with fixed levels.<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Beggar's Bazooka 1st person.png|First-person view.<br />
File:Steamworkshop_tf2_doesdumpster_thumb.jpg|Steam Workshop thumbnail image of the Beggar's Bazooka.<br />
File:F2P_Update_40s_Soldier_Rocket_Laucher.png|The Beggar's Bazooka as shown prior to its release in the Team Fortress 2 is Free to Play video.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Soldier strategy#Beggar's Bazooka|Beggar's Bazooka strategy]]<br />
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==References==<br />
[http://populus13.deviantart.com/art/TF2-Submission-Dumpster-Pack-195610018 Promotional Material]<br />
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== External links ==<br />
[http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/cityonfire/ Pyromania Day 2: City on Fire]<br />
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{{PyromaniaNav}}<br />
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<div>{{Patch layout<br />
| before = {{Patch name|7|10|2012}}<br />
| day = 11<br />
| month = july<br />
| year = 2012<br />
| after = <br />
| source-title = Team Fortress 2 Update Released<br />
| source = http://tf2.com/post.php?id=8386<br />
| notes = === Team Fortress 2 ===<br />
* Added [[Pyromania]] cosmetic items to the [[Mann Co. store]]<br />
* All ash-related items have been faded away to dust<ref>[[Goldfish]], [[Pocket Lint]], [[Banana Peel]], [[Barn Door Plank]], [[Cheese Wheel]], [[Pile Of Ash]], [[Scorched Crate]]</ref><br />
* Fixed [[Strange]] [[Escape Plan]]s not counting kills<br />
* Fixed missing strings for the ESL medals<br />
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== Undocumented changes ==<br />
* Changed [[Scorched Keys]] into regular keys.<br />
* Added bundles submitted in Pyromania update to the Mann Co. store: [[Public Enemy Bundle]], [[Urban Professional Bundle]] and [[Dumpster Diver Bundle]]<br />
* Added [[Pyromania Mega Bundle]] and [[Summer 2012 Community Bundle]] to the Mann Co. store<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Bundles]]</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=June_27,_2012_Patch&diff=1078292June 27, 2012 Patch2012-07-06T07:00:18Z<p>Genuine GAL: Equalizer changed view</p>
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<div>{{update info|Pyromania Update}}<br />
{{Patch layout<br />
| before = {{Patch name|6|21|2012}}<br />
| day = 27<br />
| month = june<br />
| year = 2012<br />
| after = {{Patch name|6|28|2012}}<br />
| source-title = Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat: Source and Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Updates Released<br />
| source = http://tf2.com/post.php?id=8289<br />
| notes = === Source Engine Changes (TF2, DoD:S, HL2:DM) ===<br />
* Added ConVars sv_rcon_maxpacketsize and sv_rcon_maxpacketbans to allow server admins to control the maximum RCON packet size and whether or not users get banned for exceeding that limit. The defaults reflect the existing behavior.<br />
* Fixed not being able to import custom spray images on Macs<br />
* Fixed Macs cancelling http map downloads that take longer than 30 seconds<br />
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=== Team Fortress 2 ===<br />
* Added [[Pyrovision Goggles|Pyrovision]]!<br />
* Added new game mode [[Special Delivery (Game Mode)|Special Delivery]] and map [[Doomsday]]!<br />
* Friendly players glow when carrying the [[Intelligence|flag]]<br />
* Fixed rare cases where flag could fall out of the world<br />
* Fixed cases where the [[Payload]] HUD looked like the cart is still on a hill when it isn't<br />
* Fixed cases where some clients didn't receive broadcasts about long continuous particle effects being started or stopped<br />
* Updated the HTML renderer for displaying server MOTD<br />
* Votes created by a dedicated server no longer trigger a failed vote cooldown<br />
* Fixed map triggered annotation events not working on dedicated servers<br />
* Fixed the game crashing if tempents are created that use invalid materials<br />
* Using a [[Name Tag]] while in game notifies everyone of the name change<br />
* Fixed [[Strange Part|Strange Part: Projectiles Reflected]] not tracking grenade and sentry rocket deflections<br />
* Added new items<br />
**City on Fire item sets<ref>[[Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol]], [[Baby Face's Blaster]], [[Dillinger's Duffel]], [[Fed-Fightin' Fedora]], [[Beggar's Bazooka]], [[Helmet Without a Home]], [[Captain's Cocktails]], [[Cleaner's Carbine]], [[Hitman's Heatmaker]], [[Liquidator's Lid]]</ref><br />
**Pyroland weapons and cosmetics<ref>[[Pyrovision Goggles]], [[Rainblower]], [[Lollichop]], [[Burning Bongos]], [[Infernal Orchestrina]], [[Balloonicorn]]</ref><br />
**Community-contributed cosmetic items for all classes<ref>[[Bird-Man of Aberdeen]], [[Apparatchik's Apparel]], [[Gentleman's Ushanka]], [[HazMat Headcase]], [[Idea Tube]], [[Business Casual]]</ref><br />
**[[Mysterious treasures]] have been incinerated, but are now craftable<br />
**Added [[crafting]] recipe for [[Pile of Ash]]<br />
**[[Scorched Keys]] are now available in the [[Mann Co. Store|store]] for a limited time<br />
**New promo item<ref>[[Robot Chicken Hat]]</ref><br />
* Weapon balancing changes<br />
**[[Gloves of Running Urgently]]<br />
***Removed self-damage over time penalty<br />
***Heavy takes mini-crits while active and for 3 seconds after switching away<br />
***Attack damage penalty reduced from -50% to -25%<br />
**[[Tomislav]]<br />
***Spin-up speed bonus reduced from +40% to +10%<br />
**[[Quick-Fix]]<br />
***Medic mirrors blast jump of their heal target<br />
**[[Crusader's Crossbow]]<br />
***Reload speed time reduced by +40%<br />
**[[Cozy Camper]]<br />
***Regenerates 1 heath per second<br />
***Reduced movement penalty from -90% to -80%<br />
**[[Sticky Jumper]] and [[Rocket Jumper]]<br />
***Added 'flying' sound to blast jumps<br />
**The [[Concheror]]<br />
***Changed rage building source from "damage done and damage received" to only "damage done"<br />
***Increased the rate at which Rage builds for this item by +25%<br />
**The [[Equalizer]]<br />
***Removed player move speed modification and added it to a new item named the [[Escape Plan]]<br />
***All owners of the Equalizer will be automatically granted the Escape Plan<br />
**[[Crit-a-Cola]]<br />
***Added +25% increased movement speed while active<br />
***Increased duration from 6 to 8 seconds<br />
**[[Bonk! Atomic Punch|Atomic Bonk]]<br />
***Increased duration from 6 to 8 seconds<br />
**All [[Weapons#pyroprimary|Flamethrowers]]<br />
***Increased base damage by +10%.<br />
**[[Backburner]]<br />
***Removed +10% damage bonus attribute<br />
***Note: Because of base damage increase, damage remains unchanged<br />
**[[Degreaser]]<br />
***Added -10% damage penalty attribute<br />
***Note: Because of base damage increase, damage remains unchanged<br />
**[[Phlogistinator]]<br />
***Damage defense while taunting reduced from -90% to -75%<br />
* Item bug fixes<br />
**Fixed [[sentry]] sometimes spawning in shielded mode while the [[Wrangler]] was equipped, but not deployed<br />
**Improved visual and audio cues for when the [[Manmelter]] is ready to fire<br />
**Fixed Manmelter being able to earn crits via friendly Pyro self-damage<br />
**Fixed [[Scotch Bonnet]]'s blue team skin not showing<br />
**Fixed [[Unarmed Combat]]'s [[taunt]] not working<br />
**Unarmed Combat's color now matches the team using it<br />
**Fixed the [[Apparition's Aspect]] showing a burning texture in DX8<br />
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=== Undocumented Changes ===<br />
*“[[Meet the Pyro]]” [[Dreams of Cruelty (Soundtrack)|startup music]] added.<br />
*Added [[Scorch Shot]]<br />
*Added [[Crates#Series #46 – Scorched Crate|Scorched Crate]]<br />
*Added [[Pickaxe Pack]] [[bundle]]<br />
*Added 12 new [[Doomsday]] [[Astro-chievements|achievements]]<br />
*Added 4 new General Achievements related to Pyrovision<ref>The Great Deflate, BFF², Mass Hysteria, A Fresh Pair of Eyes</ref><br />
*Added new Pyro Achievement: Full Spectrum Warrior<br />
*Added the [[Gentle Munitionne of Leisure]] as an achievement reward for Doomsday<br />
*Added new [[equip regions]], 'scout or heavy shirt' and 'left shoulder'<br />
**Updated [[Fast Learner]] equip region to 'scout or heavy shirt'<br />
*Removed equip regions 'crsk_left' and 'crsk_right'<br />
*Brain Parasites are now credited as being assisted by the player on unassisted kills.<ref>[[Triboniophorus Tyrannus]], [[Alien Swarm Parasite]]</ref><br />
*Pocket Buddies are now credited with assists on unassisted kills.<ref>[[Pocket Medic]], [[Cremator's Conscience]], [[Balloonicorn]], [[Bird-Man of Aberdeen]]</ref><br />
* Added the [[Sticky Jumper]] and [[Rocket Jumper]] to the item drop system<br />
* The Quick-Fix now gains speed from all sources of speed increase, such as the [[Eyelander]] and [[Gas Jockey]] item set.<br />
* Increased the running speed cap from 450[[Hammer units|HU]]/s to 520HU/s<br />
** On account, the [[Disciplinary Action]] now fully boosts Scouts<br />
* Added [[Multiplayer_options#Advanced_multiplayer_options|advanced multiplayer options]] to turn on Pyrovision while spectating and during replays<br />
* Servers no longer require a restart during the [[full moon]] period to allow players to equip [[Holiday#Halloween|Halloween]] items<br />
* Removed [[w:md5|md5]] hash records from the [[Eliminating The Impossible]] set's mystery solving time attribute<br />
* Fixed a bug which caused various particle effects to be rendered too brightly on certain hardware configurations<br />
* Removed the [[crit]] boost reward from a successful intel capture in [[Capture the Flag]]<br />
* The [[SMG]] now uses c_models<br />
* Changed Equalizer backpack icon and model. Old ones were given to The Escape Plan<br />
* Updated localization files<br />
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Yes you can.<br />
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.<br />
#Select Move.<br />
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.<br />
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GALhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion&diff=1076775Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion2012-07-04T19:01:02Z<p>Genuine GAL: /* Cheese Wheel */</p>
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== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==<br />
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==<br />
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Since only 4 people chimed in last time.<br />
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''Old template:''<br />
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{{Backpack item<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
}}<br />
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''New template:''<br />
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{{User:R4wrz0rz0r/swagbox/backpack-item-improve<br />
| item-name = Your Eternal Reward<br />
| custom-name = Le Swag<br />
| quality = strange<br />
| item-level = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337<br />
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim<br />
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs<br />
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise<br />
| width = 25%<br />
}}<br />
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1<br />
:{{c|Support}} Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==<br />
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So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]<br />
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== Ad media ==<br />
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whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==<br />
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.<br />
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I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==<br />
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I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff. <br />
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles. <br />
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article. <br />
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.<br />
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little. <br />
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The other versions of the killicons ==<br />
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I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Paint Style Overlinking ==<br />
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When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:<br />
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.<br />
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.<br />
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.<br />
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.<br />
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==<br />
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Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,<br />
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I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.<br />
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For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).<br />
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Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?<br />
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.<br />
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.<br />
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Missing images in some browsers ==<br />
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For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Those Archive links ==<br />
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So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New idea ==<br />
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Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it.<br />
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am.<br />
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== Template:Item icon ==<br />
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With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Comics ==<br />
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Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==<br />
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.<br />
It is an organized list with all classes and items.<br />
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The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.<br />
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The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.<br />
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Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.<br />
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[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]<br />
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Tell me what you think.<br />
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small><br />
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:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.<br />
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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See: [[Hats]]<br />
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Cheese Wheel ==<br />
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[[Cheese Wheel]]<br />
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Genuine GAL