Talk:Macho Mann

My edit was reversed

My edit to change the sourcing from Clinton's novel to the main page for the Proverb was reversed. In the Wiki for the book, it even states "The book's title is attributed to an African proverb: "It takes a village to raise a child." The saying and its attribution as an "African" proverb were in circulation before it was adopted by Clinton as the source for the title of her book. Indeed, the saying previously provided the source for the title of a children's book entitled It Takes a Village by Jane Cowen-Fletcher, published in 1994.[11]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village/ It Takes a Village — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Titanslayerzeus (talk) • (contribs) 17:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC) 13:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Yes, external to the context of the Item's Description, the English phrase "It takes a village" is perceived with strong feelings in some quarters as derived from an African Proverb, however the source Titanslayerzeus cites clearly states that the origin of the proverb is unascertainable.

However, what is unquestionable is that the meme "It takes a village to X" was most popularized by Clinton's book.

In short, the item description is derived from Hillary's book title meme (so, it is Trivia), not the conjecture of the African source (so, it is not Trivia).

I propose rewriting the entry as

• The phrase in the description, "It takes a village", became a popular cultural and political meme from 1996 on from the title of Hillary Clinton's book, It Takes a Village.

Support or Oppose?

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 13:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC) 02:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC) 04:14, 6 January 2021 (UTC) M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 13:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed · Ashe (talk) 03:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Moreover:

* The phrase in the description, "It takes a village", became a popular cultural and political U.S. meme from 1996 on, originating from the title of Hillary Clinton's book, It Takes a Village.

* The derived punning phrase "It takes a Village, People", is a further U.S. meme used particularly in social advocacy, especially LGBT.

Support or Oppose?

Ending a sentence with "..., people!" is also a particular habit of Mrs. Clinton, but that is a bit nuanced for Trivia.

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 14:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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In fact, i would let it like this:

* The name and description of this item refer to "Macho Man", a song and album by the 70's disco band Village People, also known for their recording of In the Navy.

** The design references the iconic aviator glasses and chevron mustache of David Hodo, the who performed the construction worker character in said group from 1978 to 1982 and from 1987 to 2013.

* The phrase in the description, "It takes a village", became a popular cultural and political U.S. meme from 1996 on, originating from the title of Hillary Clinton's book, It Takes a Village.

** The derived punning phrase "It takes a village, people", is a further U.S. meme used particularly in social advocacy, especially LGBT. (]]Also, the name of the group, Village People, is an reference to a "gay village" so it may be related[[).

Ashe (talk) 16:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

(]]Also, the name of the group, Village People, is an reference to a "gay village" so it may be related[[).

No, that's a fact about the group, not the item or its description.

Gender orientation is also really not a central/direct reference of the item (even if someone who went through college at that time might recognize it), only indirectly through the group; so, "especially LGBT" is bordering on being more about the meme than the item, even "used particularly in social advocacy" isn't so much about the item, but that clause does help to establish the legitimacy of the meme.

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