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Someone needs to make this. The last time I messed with tables was early on when the M&B promos were announced, and while I did eventually get them to work, I went insane in the process and I have no idea how to make new tables. [[User:Cesue|Cesue]] 11:42, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
 
Someone needs to make this. The last time I messed with tables was early on when the M&B promos were announced, and while I did eventually get them to work, I went insane in the process and I have no idea how to make new tables. [[User:Cesue|Cesue]] 11:42, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
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*I just made one and added it to the page. Tell me what you think. - {{User:Rasmus Ni/sig}} 17:18, 25 June 2011 (PDT)

Revision as of 00:18, 26 June 2011

The Rimmed Raincatcher must be updated in this template to denote that it can exist with Unusual quality. This change was added as part of the Febuary 14, 2011 Patch. SnowCanary 17:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Beak and Phantom

Here it is stated that Unusual Beak/Phantom could only found previously. That is untrue, they can still very much be found! Benvil 08:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone update it? Benvil 09:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
No, because no one has provided solid proof that this is true. So far each report that I've seen has been disproven, either someone confirmed that it was received in a trade or the item's ID was old enough to go back to the christmas update when they were still in the hat slot. -- Lagg Backpack Stickybomb Launcher.png 13:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Big Kill

There are more vintage items than listed here, even if they are the result of glitches or fooling Customer Support. One example is the Big Kill. I think these items should be added.

Agree. The glitched items should be included. --SandeProElite 12:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
No! The list only lists items that have legit vintage qualities.  – User Ohyeahcrucz Sig.png Ohyeahcrucz [T][C] 00:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
What if they got their own section? Cesue 17:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Normal quality

Template:Normal quality table was deleted and removed from here for being "pointless and redundant". This really is flawed. A list of normal items is most definitely not pointless and is certainly not redundant. A list of stock weapons is basic documentation, it serves interest to the reader. Maybe not to people who have played the game for a while, but the wiki is not made to serve the interests of veteran players only – it's an important resource for new players too. A list of normal items is also most definitely not redundant. Where else on the wiki can you point to a list of stock weapons, honestly? There are lists and navs for weapons, weapons by class, and each stock weapon has the 'normal' quality in the infobox, but seriously, there is no proper list anywhere.

If there are no actual, real arguments for deleting a list of normal weapons I'll be promptly undeleting it and restoring it to this page. seb26 06:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Brings up a point about all our list type things: this is something that SMW was made for. Even just adding them to a category instead of making list pages would be better, because the info is there if people need it. I dunno. -- Pilk (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I suppose, I just think that deleting this kind of list is stupid, and even worse for the reason any item can be made any quality at any time by Valve so nyerrr. Just doesn't make sense to think that anyone would find a list of normal weapons to be 'useless'. seb26 06:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Why would any user want such a list? What use does it serve? When is a user going to wonder what Normal quality items are available to them? They're not. Should we also make a list of what items shoot bullets? A list of items that can kill? It has no value.
A user may find a Vintage/Unusual list useful because they want to know if that item is available or not for collection/trading purposes. So no Seb, it is useless. ~ Ath (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Not that it matters anymore (since the table was quickly deleted) but the information is valid and useful to some...why delete it? Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean someone else will. The wiki is written for a general audience, which includes all kinds of people. Clearly your argument is hyperbole. Quality that can assigned to weapons is relevant information and not useless (like a list of items that shoot bullets would be). --AGlassOfMilk 18:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
"To some", who is "some"? Seems if any arguement here is hyperbole it is your own. For what reason would someone be seeking this information? Why would they need it? How would the wiki convey this information in a superior manner? These lists were established on the observation of demand for the knowledge of what new items were vintage, or what hats could be unboxed as unusuals. There is not one single Normal item in existance that is owned by an average player, nor are they obtainable. ~ Ath (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
As I said before in the other talk page, I think it's useless, because it's obvious which items have the Normal quality and which items don't.  – User Ohyeahcrucz Sig.png Ohyeahcrucz [T][C] 18:47, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Of course it's freaking obvious to you because you've played the game before, for at least a while. New players who haven't may be interested in, I don't know, finding out which weapons are stock? Which weapons everyone has, obtainable or not? The first weapons in the game ever? Yes you're definitely right, no one ever would find this information useful. I thought someone would have a decent argument against this kind of list but it's the same stuff. A normal weapon list is maybe "useless" for veteran players but it serves some purpose for those who are not, so I'm undeleting this and re-adding it. Please don't remove it again. seb26 21:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
As per IRC I'm going to forward this suggestion: To prevent semantic inaccuracies the "Normal list" will be split off and renamed to "Stock list" or something to that effect and become part of a seperate "Stock Weapons" article explaining what stock items are, what they do and maybe a blurb about their presence when the item server goes offline. There is no value to the user in knowing what items bear the Normal quality, there is however potential value in having a list of Stock weapons. ~ Ath (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
This page can be seen here. ~ Ath (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Villian's Veil and Professor's Peculiarity

Could someone add the Villian's Veil to the list of possible unusuals? Someone found one.

Proof: http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198024381539 (Page 6)

Also, should the Professor be listed as a possible unusual? Not a single one has been found. Any kind of confirmation from someone at Valve that it can be found as an unusual?

MaX MayheM 22:22, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

i think the prof. hair is part of the model so its impossible to find an unusual one (is the hair for the heavy able to be unusual?) Gamecrazy009 08:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Genuine Quality Half-Zatoichi

Shouldn't it be listed under soldier too?

Forgot my tildes. Applesauz 05:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Need to update Unsuals list

Seems the Conjurer's Cowl can now be uncrated with unusual effects thanks to the June 14 update. I'd attempt to edit the list myself, but I can't figure out how to get in to edit them.

Why is VIllain's Veil- A MISC- labelled with a tick?

It's a misc, they for the most part cannot have Unusual quality. WHY is it labelled then? Davo 10:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Because it's one of the exceptional misc items which can be unusual. --Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 12:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I just saw a SUNBEAMS Veil in a server. It looks good in gold. Davo@

Strange Quality

Someone needs to make this. The last time I messed with tables was early on when the M&B promos were announced, and while I did eventually get them to work, I went insane in the process and I have no idea how to make new tables. Cesue 11:42, 25 June 2011 (PDT)