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== Scout taunt voice lines in engi's page? ==
 
  
so i was browsing the engineer taunts and found scout voice lines for most of the new taunts, if anyone know's how to fix this please do
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== Dark Mode ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Sir scumbag|Sir scumbag]]''' ([[User talk:Sir scumbag|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Sir scumbag|contribs]]) </small>
 
: This discussion page isn't the right place to ask about this. Go to the Engineer Taunt's discussion page instead. If its technical issues, then try elsewhere. Thanks. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:12, 10 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Responsive Wiki ==
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I don't think I even need to explain this. Wikipedia itself has it, so do other wikis. I do have a browser extension for dark mode, and optimally a dark theme for TFwiki should still keep muted earthy orangish tones and such, but at this point with my eye strain I'd take anything. It would encourage more dedicated editing streaks, perhaps, since many of us are night owls too.--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 03:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  
Hi guys, after many edit spams i finally have it going properly and the full wiki functions with it [[User:Lexar/Main_Page/Template:Benjas|Responsive wiki page]].
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:Easier said than done, it's being worked on but we can't promise anything.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  
Mess around and resize your browser, it will not break (at least to know knowledge).
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== Valve Store ==
  
so, what are your thoughts? '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 08:08, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
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The official Store has been closed down for months now by Valve, and there's no reasonable smidgeon of proof to believe it's coming back any time soon. The Wiki, in many articles, links directly to the Store still, or mentions it, but even tooltips for certain hats will just say they're "not available". This is kind of awkward, and makes the average user waste a click (the horror, I know). And even I get a false hope sometimes that it changed, but it's Valve after all. Should something be done about this, and how? Can there be an automatic disclaimer the Store is gone? Should links be removed? Just let the dead ends sit forever?--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 02:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
:It's nice, however, I think the Full Moon icon should be centered and with a space between the Moon Status (The Moon Status centered as well). And the latest wiki caps awarded, make the users have a link to their userpages. Other than that, it's great. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:35, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Items' original names, etc. and trivia ==
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:Try to find an archive.org version of it, otherwise just add a tooltip saying it's not available anymore due to store shutdown.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
<small>here instead of [[Help talk:Style guide/Trivia]] for greater exposure</small> For a while now, trivia relating to items' original names, Workshop descriptions, and such have been deemed as not being notable. I'm personally for these being considered valid trivia, and I'm not sure where this convention (which isn't even noted in the [[trivia guidelines]]!) came from. The original names of community-contributed items are even mentioned in the main section of the articles, and it would only make sense to include explanations for the possible references included. I don't think I'm not the only one with this opinion. Due to how this isn't even mentioned in the trivia guidelines or never being properly discussed, confusion is further created about the notability of trivia like this. Due to the things I mentioned, I thought it's finally time to form a concrete guideline relating to this.
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== Painted variants with both Styles and separate Classes images, a design proposal ==
  
tl;dr: Is trivia relating to the original, now unofficial details of the item notable? Why? Why not? [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 10:17, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
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Hi. So, I have several mockups of things to suggest which I'll be writing it up eventually. For now, I was making changes to the [[Robot Chicken Hat]] page, and was thinking about adding class variants to the paint gallery, as each class changes the hat's design a little (taller combs, different beak designs, etc.). However, if I were to make those paint variants per class, the current way we put styles and classes to the table looks... off, to say the least. At the moment, if I were to make it consistent with the rest of the Wiki, it would look like this: [https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL]. But, instead, I thought about this mock-up: [https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK]. Not only this looks more visually appealing, but it also takes a lot less space. The only problem that it may be confusing for cosmetics that separate styles by a group of classes ([[Cotton Head]], [[Brotherhood of Arms]], etc.). So... I thought about just making the class buttons that aren't active a little darker (same thing with the Style name): [https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT]. Here's another example with the Cotton Head: [https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG]. Mouse-hovering the class icons could also show their class names ("Pyro, Medic, Spy" and "Other classes" in the case of Cotton Head) Thoughts? [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
:{{c|support}} - I agree, some items have only its creation due the name or the thing it was based on. In fact, some pages have the original names as a trivia, like the [[Falconer]]. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 10:27, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: I covered this over on the IRC somewhat, but I'll restate it here for everyone else. I think that original names would be pretty relevant to include, seeing as they are noted on the page. I'm not so sure about including descriptions, unless the information backs up other trivia regarding the item or item name (like with the [[Combustible Kabuto]], the description references KLK, which the item's design does as well). In regards to sets, that's a lot more awkward. It fits with some items to include the trivia, such as with the [[Peacenik's Ponytail]]/[[Texas Tech-hand]], due to the fact that the set was included ingame, but one of the items wasn't included in the set (for obvious reasons). I'm not sure that it's particularly interesting trivia to just say that "These items were contributed as part of this set, but they weren't marked as a set ingame", considering that the pages would already cover whether or not the item is in a set. Additionally, I think I've seen some items that are just put into collections on the workshop because of similar themes or something similar, even though the items wouldn't actually work as a set ingame. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 10:35, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: {{c|support}} I don't see any reason why this king of trivia can't be included.
 
: Side question: do we need to translate workshop item/item set names for other languages? Maybe, just add translation in brackets alongside with the original name; I can't find anything about this in guidelines. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 14:51, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== weapon demonstration ==
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:I like this proposal, although I think it's not necessary for every page. Only for the ones where the tabs become too much.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
can i reserve a demonstration on the classic = an i am new to the wiki
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== Inconsistency regarding items with one team color, but shows team-colored parts of a player model ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Cmj2003|Cmj2003]]''' ([[User talk:Cmj2003|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cmj2003|contribs]]) </small>
 
: Please go to the weapon demonstration discussion page to reserve weapon demonstrations. This discussion page isn't for that. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:59, 22 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
==  Released inconsistency ==
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Hello. So, when I started adding tabs to the paint variants, and just browsing the Wiki as a whole, I noticed that a couple pages are inconsistent in regards to the unpainted variants. In almost every case of cosmetics that use part of the player model, but only has 1 skin (not team-colored), the team-colors syntax isn't added to the tab, and we only have the UNPAINTED version on the paint variants table (example includes the [[Soldier's Stash]], [[Horrible Horns]] on Spy, and much more), but some other pages still shows the BLU variant of a player model despite the item only having one skin ([[Texas Half-Pants]], [[Millennial Mercenary]]'s Streaming 2Fort style, [[Exquisite Rack]], [[Battle Bob]]'s With Helmet style, [[Bacteria Blocker]]'s Headphones style, etc).
It is all about the <nowiki>{{Item infobox</nowiki> template!<br>
 
Shown in the item infobox: | released          = '''issue'''<br>
 
In the articles, by whoever wants to, there is added a link to a major update '''or''' the patch date. I find it confusing that it is not clear what is entered there.<br>
 
The official documentation says:<br> <code>When the item was released. Basic text parameter. Not displayed unless defined specifically.</code><br>
 
So which is it:<br>
 
1. Released: Mann vs. Machine Update<br>
 
2. Released: August 15, 2012 Patch<br>
 
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Thanks for any help & informations. [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 06:56, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:I prefer ''Released: Mann vs. Machine Update'' since I feel more connected to major updates; when I read a specific date that was two years ago I don't think I can remember what happenend back then.
 
:However, this will make the item infobox a little bit more inconsistent than just writing the date everywhere. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 07:03, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:: It would make it a lot more consistent with pages in general if it noted the patch date rather than the update name, yeah. The update name should be listed in the main description and the Update history (at the very least) as well, so it's not like the actual update associated with it wouldn't be visible at the top of the page, if the patch date was in the infobox. In contrast, if the update name is in the infobox, it would mean that the patch date is only listed in the Update history, which can be a hassle to scroll down to if you just want to find out the date an item came out (for example, if an item has four styles that are all paintable, you'd have to scroll past all of the tables for the painted variants to get to that info). --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:30, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::Sounds reasonable, but [[Made Man|sometimes]] the update name is not listed in the main description (and [[Charmer's Chapeau|sometimes]] not even in the update history) and you have to scroll down to the update history aswell. Can't we have both in the item infobox like in most patch notes (''June 23, 2011 Patch (Über Update)'')? Give it a line break between the patch date and the patch name and the item infobox will still look smooth. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 04:45, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::: It'd probably be a good idea to make sure that all pages do have the update name in the description and the update history at some point. That idea about putting them both in the infobox could work, though. It would just depend on how it actually looked when put on the page. It could be the best solution, really. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:32, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::Preview [[User:SackZement/Sandbox|here]], feel free to edit at will. I tend to the version with the line break. The one in one line (last one, with nowrap) might be the best as long as it still fits in the infobox, which will be not the case for ''third community weapon update'' or something. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 08:34, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::: I think the first one is best there, really. I think it'd be more consistent if the update names were all on a separate line underneath the patch date, rather than some of them being on the same line, some of them being on a separate line, and some having to wrap from the patch date line to the second line. So yeah, the one with the line break looks best to me. Might be worth getting some staff input on this before we go ahead with changing any pages for it, though. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:43, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::::::{{c|Support}} the version with a line break. [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 09:14, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::::::{{c|Support}} SackZement's version with a line break. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:24, 3 August 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::::{{c|Done}} - The pages have been edited to follow SackZement's consistency version. However, [[item set]] pages weren't edited due the infobox works differently than the normal item pages. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:03, 19 December 2014 (PST)
 
::::::::{{c|Done}} - Item sets are all done. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 06:23, 21 December 2014 (PST)
 
  
==  Availability template(?) ==
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Some other pages also includes two identical RED and BLU images for the infobox, just because the item has two materials per team, but still uses the same exact texture and values (basically two identical .vmt files). I don't remember what pages has it now, but there are some pages that has that. I did that on [[Decorated Veteran]] since I've heard about doing that in the past before: "even if they look identical, put in two separate uploads". There's also no current way to just show one skin on the infobox (however that's something I'm looking to suggest soon enough on my mega infobox improvements topic).
It is all about the <nowiki>{{Item infobox</nowiki> template!<br>
 
Issue: '''Availability'''<br>
 
Every language needs to update after an update. Simply: Copy over the english information in the other languages (hats/weapons/others). Wouldnt it be more efficient if the info is stored in one place (like th dictionary) and it is automaticly applied for the other languages. I find it inefficient how it is done at the time.<br>
 
The official documentation says:<br> <code>The means of obtaining the item. Basic text parameter. Not displayed unless defined specifically.</code><br>
 
I think this is outdated and should be thought over at least once.<br>
 
Thanks for any help & informations. [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 06:56, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: This could be a good idea. It would mean that you'd only have to make one edit to update all of the language pages for a single item. It would also make it easier to update a bunch of items from one update that need a new availability (like the Love & War cosmetics being updated to show that they can be received in drops), rather than having to edit every single item and all of their language pages. Something like [[Template:QuAD]] could work, but I'd have no idea how to implement it. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:30, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::While this could be implemented with relative ease using a dictionary, I personally don't think it's required as those strings would only have one very niche use. The manual updating works just fine, I think. [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] ▪ [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 09:23, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:This sounds like {{tl|Dictionary/quad}} — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:24, 3 August 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== How much strategy in Maps articles? ==
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Because we use the infobox, as well the RED and BLU parts of the paint variants table to show the different Skin Colors of the ITEM, I would say to actually cleaning it up these inconsistencies. So, for instance, on Texas Half-Pants, there wouldn't RED and BLU images for each style, because they look identical on either team, and, there's only two skins on the model (one for the Tan style, the other for the Midnight style [older cosmetics used a different way in handling styles, as opposed to separate models, many old cosmetics would use different skins for styles, and the Item Schema would redirect what skins to use depending on the style chosen]). The colors change on the images right now, because it's the colors of Engi's default pants, but not the actual item model changing colors. Meaning that, the RED / BLU on the infobox would be removed, the BLU_... images would be deleted, and the RED_ images would be moved to the _UNPAINTED.png suffix instead.
  
Due the recent activity on [[Gorge]] & [[2Fort]] i asked myself: How much is really a map description and what is in the direct area of strategy?<br> The Style guide for maps doesnt reveal any significant information about the matter.<br> Text like: "...often sniper lurk there" or "often a sentry gun is there" are valid information about how to decribe a map? Or should it only be in the community strategy article of a map? Relevant example link: [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Gorge&diff=1736697&oldid=1688753 Gorge] ; cleanup needed? [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 21:13, 11 August 2014 (PDT)
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Some may argue that, since the team-colored paint can image previews also change the pants colors, that these should stay in, but, I don't agree. These are to show the item's team-colors being affected (both the UNPAINTED versions and the team-colored paint cans), not the player model's team-colors, but let me know what do you think.
:I think stating common spots is not really "strategy" and as long as it's not overused it can actually help to describe (the playstyle of) the map.[[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:09, 12 August 2014 (PDT)
 
::Have to agree with SackZement here - the likes of Snipers on the balcony of 2Fort isn't just strategy, but a key map feature present in virtually all games. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 08:24, 12 August 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== MediaWiki extensions ==
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Items that have 0 changes on team-colors despite having them (same exact .vmt values), I'd also say to get rid of it, as they provide no real information for the reader other than perhaps modders, so they don't need to go all the way of decompiling models to add team-color support, for instance. Some require close inspection however. The [[Mann-Bird of Aberdeen]] looks like to be the case, but the green area is just slightly brighter on BLU. I'd still keep the same colors for Styles and classes (like [[Team Captain]] for Heavy), until a more fully-fledged infobox edit comes along the way that adds support to just 1 skin on the infobox (like this: [https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0 https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0]). I will still point out many of these on my eventual discussion of infobox changes in another topic. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
Is there any plan to introduce MediaWiki extensions such as Mobile Web (Mobile Frontend) or the Visual Editor? [[User:Canis|Canis]] ([[User talk:Canis|talk]]) 00:59, 25 September 2014 (PDT)
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:I would support every page having both team colours.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
== Craft No. for limited item  ==
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== Articles for individual environmental hazards ==
  
New things out of the box are #86 Limited Quantity and can not be bought or craft, I think you need to write NO
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Some of the older environmental hazards have their own articles. Specifically, they are: [[Ghost]], [[Pumpkin bomb]], [[Saw blade]], and [[Train]].
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
: They're marked as having craft numbers in the schema. Almost all items added to the game this year have been marked as craftable, even if they're not craftable at the time of release, like the Strongbox items. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:40, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]] ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) 06:02, 27 September 2014 (PDT)So you can fix to the NO?
 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
::: It should be marked as yes. An item being craftable and an item having craft numbers are two separate settings in the schema. All of the new cosmetics have craft numbers, and as such, the infobox should state yes for that section. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:45, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]] ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) 06:02, 27 September 2014 (PDT)But they can not be craft or found so it can not get my room forging
 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
::::: That is irrelevant to if they have craft numbers. As I said, being craftable and having craft numbers are two separate settings. Also, you should sign your posts with four ~. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:52, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Merging Availability and Dictionary/Quad ==
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These are some fairly simple hazards: ghost goes "boo", pumpkin bomb goes "boom", blade goes "bzzt", and train goes "''[Train horn noises]''". They all have fairly short articles, and are also covered in the [[Environmental death]] article.
  
These both contain the same information, except that quad contains the end quality. Would it be worth the effort to change {{tl|Avail}} to pull information from quad instead? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 13:37, 1 October 2014 (PDT)
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I propose we change these four into redirects to the Environmental death article, similar to [[Pitfall]].
:Edit: This change would likely be chainging {{tl|Quad/list}} to add a parameter to put out a different style of info, namely the style that avail uses. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 22:17, 1 October 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Scream Fortress 2014 or Scream Fortress VI? ==
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As for their Update histories, I have three ideas:
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* Add the section to the Environmental death article and carry them over.
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* Create a separate page for that (similar to the [[Item timeline]] pages).
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* Ignore them (essentially already the case for all the hazards that don't have their own articles).
  
The page naming for the past Halloween Specials have been remarkably inconsistent. They're either using the title from the Update pages or using the one in the patch notes.
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I am ok with [[Skeletons]] and the Halloween bosses having their own articles, however, as they are more elaborate (which is noticeable by simply comparing article sizes).
  
[[Haunted Hallowe'en Special]] aka Haunted Hallowe'en Special (2009)<br>
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Opinions? - [[User:BrazilianNut|BrazilianNut]] ([[User talk:BrazilianNut|talk]]) 16:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
* No patch note title.
 
  
[[Scream Fortress Update]] aka Second Annu-Hell Scream Fortress Hauntdead Halloween Special <br>
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:I think some of these pages can add value, such as the specifics in the hazard infobox. I'd push for more articles rather than less, similar to [[List of game modes]], where each hazard has its own page as well as a short description on the overall page. I would prefer this because it would cut down on the clutter on the Environmental death page, for example the pumpkin bomb section is 5 identical hazards that are just reskinned. It would be better to have this in a gallery on its own page, rather than several entries on that page.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
* Patch Note: *Halloween 2010 Event*
 
  
[[Very Scary Halloween Special]]<br>
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:: I believe it is better to keep the pages separate, as putting them all together in one could generate a lot of visual clutter, in addition to having a lot of information for the reader to consume at once. Furthermore, it would be complicated to gather all the update histories on the articles. Essentially, we would be taking separate articles and combining them into one big article, where each section (divided by {{code|<nowiki>== Section title ==</nowiki>}}) would be a "complete" article.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 18:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
* Patch Note: *Halloween 2011 Event*
 
  
[[Spectral Halloween Special]]<br>
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== A request ==
* Patch Note: *Scream Fortress Event 2012*
 
  
Scream Fortress Fifth Annual Helloween Special<br>
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In Polish language we don't capitalise most words like in English language and the way quality items have their quality displayed looks like this: Rocket launcher (vintage). The problem is that in [[Template:Mann-Conomy Nav]] Vintage quality in Polish and Russian is not capitalised and looks weird in the template where everything is capitalised except this one word. Is it possible to add a new entry in the dictionary for this template only, where 'Vintage' is capitalised for these languages? In Polish it's even more confusing, because [[Classic]] and Vintage share the same translation, so it could be shown in the tempalte as 'Vintage quality' (Jakość klasyczna in Polish). [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
* Uses patch note title: [[Scream Fortress 2013]]
 
  
Scream Fortress Sixth Annual Halloween Special<br>
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:If it's the very first letter that needs to be capitalised, you can use <nowiki>{{ucfirst:<string>}}</nowiki> to turn the first letter into a capital. For example, <nowiki>{{ucfirst:hello world}}</nowiki> generates {{ucfirst:hello world}}.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
* Patch note: Scream Fortress VI
 
  
Half of the pages use some variation of Scream Fortress and the other half uses the update page title.
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::Could you help me with this? I've changed it in [[Template:Mann-Conomy Nav]] but doesn't seem to capitalise the first letter. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 19:44, 29 October 2014 (PDT)
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:::Hmmm, yeah seems like the automatic translation templates automatically uncapitalise it. If you really wanted to implement this you'd have to use the {{tl|lang}} template instead.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
: I've been using Scream Fortress 2014 to keep it consistent with Scream Fortress 2013. The two of them don't have any special name like the previous years do, and it's pretty unwieldy to have it listed as "Scream Fortress Fifth/Sixth Annual Halloween Special". I'd rather use Scream Fortress 2014 instead of Scream Fortress VI for consistency with last year's event. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 19:48, 29 October 2014 (PDT)
 
:: Seconded, will create templates with these names. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 06:00, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
 
::: 2013 actually did have a name: the '''Hell'''oween Special. [[Image:User_VinLAURiA_Vinsignia.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:28, 8 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Unlocked Creepy Crates ==
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::::[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Mann-Conomy_Nav&diff=3408072&oldid=3388990 I already did it once and...] [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Where should they be put? They're named crates, but they don't share the same mechanic as classic crates, since they don't need any key. In this regard, they're more like others [[Crate#Crate_like_items|"Crate like items"]]. They're also only obtainable through purchasing them on the store. I believe they should get their own page since they're a new system. Just wanted to ask before doing something like that.
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:::::Perhaps leave a hidden comment and use {{tl|lang incomplete}}?<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  
[[User:Sk8er Of Bodom|Sk8er Of Bodom]] ([[User talk:Sk8er Of Bodom|talk]]) 17:44, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
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::::::I've coppied how it looked oryginally but now it shows as red link 'VintageVintage'. Could you look what's wrong with [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Mann-Conomy_Nav&diff=3584139&oldid=3583139 this edit]? Except equals sign. I've fixed it later. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 13:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
: They're still crates, and they don't have a series, so I've been working on them going in [[Mann Co. Supply Crate/Seriesless crates]]. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
 
:: Still doesn't feel right to me. They are even considered as an action slot item by the game. If they are only new seriesless crates, then what's the difference between these and for example the Halloween Goodie Cauldron or Halloween Gift Cauldron? Or the Mann Co. Painting Set? Or all these items in the Crate like items category? Is it just because they actually look like crates and have "crate" in their name? [[User:Sk8er Of Bodom|Sk8er Of Bodom]] ([[User talk:Sk8er Of Bodom|talk]]) 18:39, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
 
::: Thought I responded to this, whoops. Anyway, it might be a good idea to try and get some opinions from other people about this. I think it's better for them to go with crates as it makes them less confusing to look for, seeing as they do look like crates and are called crates. Other people might have different reasons to agree or disagree, so getting their opinions (if possible) could help us come to a proper solution for this. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 21:34, 31 October 2014 (PDT)
 
:::: I would say categorize them under crates. If you look at the Dota 2 system regarding crates or in their case "Treasures" They're still the same as any other treasure before they removed the key system. This is sort of like that. Still a crate just without a key. So no matter how you look at it, its still a crate, you just spend less for the key. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 10:57, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Update on the wiki mobile (Its a decent menu!) ==
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{{Outdent|6}}Looks like you forgot to add a vertical bar, which made the link <nowiki>[[VintageVintage]]</nowiki>.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Been a while I know but i have made some progress [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32668357/WikiPages/wiki_mobile/mobile-menu/index.html here].
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== Mann Manor/Mountain Lab's history ==
  
any ideas to what you would like to be changed?
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I feel maps that we know more detailed information on the history of we should actually have written down so it isn't forgotten, such as for example, Mann Manor/Mountain Lab being an art contest was not the original plan in fact the maps used to have textures before but, that's just what I think. [[User:The American Boot|The American Boot]] ([[User talk:The American Boot|talk]]) 04:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
'''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 21:17, 1 November 2014 (PDT)
 
:This is almost functionally complete (yay), but stylistically not (boo). Here's what I think:
 
* The top-left menu icon doesn't look really like one. It looks very flat and the lines are a bit too fat and wide to be menu-like.
 
* The menu items aren't differentiated between those that expand and those that don't. It's also not immediately obvious that they're expandable in the first place.
 
* The menu sub-links are larger in font size than the name of the menu they're in.
 
* It'd help to have the rest of the page shown in the example, to see how it fits the rest of the page. As-is, I think (imaging the page being there) that it would appear too flat compared to the gradienty/dropshadow-ness that the rest of the page uses.
 
* If possible, make the two page menus separated like they are in mediawiki (page + discuss on one side, read/edit/history/etc on the other). If not differently-aligned, at least put some separator in the middle to make it clear that they're two different sets of switches.
 
* Animations would be nice, similar to how there's animations on the wiki sidebar items.
 
* Where would account information/notifications appear, or the login/register link when logged out?
 
This sounds like a bunch of complaints but they're all stylistic besides the last one, so yay for ze sound of progress~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:48, 1 November 2014 (PDT)
 
  
Thanks Wind,
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:If you think this fact is worth and most player don't know, you can try adding it to Trivia section. Here is a more detailed [[Help:Style_guide/Trivia|Trivia guild]].[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 05:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  
I hope I understood your points correctly. to see the new one you have to have your browsers viewport at 850 or less (and i know i didn't put the wiki content in there, please forgive). I have made changes [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32668357/WikiPages/wiki_mobile/mobile-menu-2-0/index.html here].
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:I'm not sure where this Trivia came from or if there is any source for. The [[Art Pass Contest]] page states that Robin Walker said they had a map that hadn't been worked on for a while and they didn't have time to do an art pass on it (which means the map just had dev textures).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  
complete with little animations and everything.
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== Weapon articles mentioning taunts that aren't kill taunts ==
  
'''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 01:01, 2 November 2014 (PST)
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I've noticed a few articles for weapons mentioning that those weapons have a unique taunt that is not a kill taunt, or a variation of the default weapon for that slot (which is still not a kill taunt). These are the [[Lollichop]], which mentions it has a unique taunt based on a scene from Meet the Pyro, and the [[Third Degree]] and [[Neon Annihilator]], which mention the added guitar sounds, respectively. In comparison, the [[Cow Mangler 5000]], [[Scottish Resistance]], and [[Ullapool Caber]], which also have unique taunts, do not mention them since they're not kill taunts, and the [[Vita-Saw]], which has has a variation of the default taunt, does not mention said variation.
:This is really great progress in such a short time.
 
:Still some complaints:
 
* Need to see it with the page content. This is both to see if it matches stylistically but also to see the transition between modes when the window is resized.
 
* Menu button still doesn't look like a menu. The lines are too thick and too long. Maybe it could be made into a really obvious button by making it look like
 
:{{TF button|content=A real button}} with the 3 little lines inside.
 
* Can you show examples when logged in, and with notifications?
 
* Have you tried playing with TF2 fonts? No need to use them if they look bad, but if they look OK it might be worth using them, much like they are used for tab names on the current skin.
 
Yay progress — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:19, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
Thanks, I have worked on these points as best as i could. you should be able to see the menu implemented [[User:Lexar/Main_Page/Template:Benjas|here]], I MAY have to work on the account notification bit, it looks fine, but doesn't really have a defining look to it. Please tell me how you wish the account bit to look with a logged in user and it will be done =D '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 06:47, 2 November 2014 (PST)
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I think we should remove these notes from the Lollichop, Third Degree, and Neon Annihilator, as they are already all noted in the Pyro taunts page.
:Feels pretty great to see it on a real page.
 
* Need preloading of all resources. This includes the hovered version of the menu button, the hovered version of the search bar toggle button, and the "reversed" version of the search bar toggle button. I advise against putting them as separate images and insert them in a hidden div to preload them. Instead put them inside the same image as the existing version (non-hovered menu button, search bar toggle button) and use the background-position trick, similar to [[:File:Leyen_dropdown.png|how the dropdown works]] or how {{tl|TF button}} works. This way, either the element is fully loaded and works 100%, or it isn't loaded at all. There is no intermediate state where only one of the states has loaded.
 
* The [http://upload.gaiatools.com/files/lexar_text_align_0.png account Soldier picture throws off text alignment] This wasn't very noticeable with the non-TF2 font, but now it is noticeable.
 
* If you set your viewport narrow and refresh the page, the desktop skin appears for a while before the page has finished loading, and then there's a sudden jump when the menu activates. I assume that this is because it's JavaScript doing the "hey this page has a custom Page.css and I should load this now" late into the page load, and that this won't be the case when the CSS @media rules are part of the site's CSS proper.
 
* Please convert the JavaScript code to a self-contained object under a single variable, similar to almost everything on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] past the "Collapsible tables" section.
 
* Can the "Log out" link be right-aligned to separate it from the others? (Optional, I just think it'd look nicer)
 
* I think we could still use some things to make the menu look nicer (especially the sidebar one as it's kind of bland), but I have no specific suggestions. I think the rest of the staff may have some when they take a look at this though, so hopefully there'll be some actionable items out of that
 
— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:07, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
Rjackson suggested we should not have it looking like a button but instead just leave it being 3 plain while lines on the normal background.
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Speaking of the [[Pyro taunts]] page, I think we can move the "as in Meet the Pyro" comment from the Lollichop's description to a new Trivia section and add that Execution is also based in a Meet the Pyro scene (which is not mentioned). - [[User:BrazilianNut|BrazilianNut]] ([[User talk:BrazilianNut|talk]]) 16:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
  
In Rjacksons words "call WindPower a "poopy mc poop head"" as "everybody knows three horizontal lines = menu button"
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:I think variants on an existing taunt should be mentioned, such as different sounds (such as the Third Degree/Neon Annihilator adding guitar sounds and the Vita-Saw having different melodies being played), but the non-kill taunt shouldn't be mentioned (no note about the Lollichop taunt. Although seeing as it's unique to that weapon, I think the Trivia can stay).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
  
No idea how it should go but maybe there should be a small discussion on its own about this particular point. '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 04:31, 3 November 2014 (PST)
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== Main menu Smissmas 2023 header localization ==
:{{Pro}} Overall: I really like the design, it feels and looks good. Nothing more to say, I think.
 
:{{Neutral}} Menu button: I'm rather neutral about this, I like both variants. It'd be also possible to use just the three lines, but distinguish them from the rest of the top bar by adding a darker background.
 
:'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 14:09, 3 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Languages sidebar on TFW: and Help: namespaces ==
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'Smissmas 2023' is localized but 'December 7 - January 7' is not. Is it possible to localize it too? [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  
{{tl|Mw-langlink}}, which generates the sidebar "Languages" section, currently excludes the Team Fortress Wiki and Help namespaces. This means that pages like [[Help:Colors/ja]] do not have appropriate language links on the sidebar. I see two options:
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:See [[Template:Dictionary/common_strings#.5BMain_Page.5D_Smissmas_2023|Dictionary common strings]].<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
#Encourage translation of pages within these namespaces, and enable this template in these namespaces
 
#Discourage translations of these pages, remove the few that are translated, and leave the template as it is.
 
Thoughts? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 15:37, 10 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Mentioning item names too often ==
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:: Thanks. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Hai, I think we need to mention item names less often. It just came to my mind when I saw Gabriel's recent edits like [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1806667 this] and [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1806675 that]. Personally, I think this is unnecessary and bloats the page. If we continue using "this item" or something similar, it'd still be clear what item is meant without citing the full name again. I have to admit, I've always used the full item name until now, but I think it's time to change this. Some areas that might need changing include the promotional sentence ("was given to player who pre-ordered"), the community sentence ("was contributed to the Steam Workshop") and the thumbnails ("Steam Workshop thumbnail for the"). I'd like to hear some opinions about it.<br>
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== Link of the wiki team fortress energie drink don't work ==
'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 05:37, 16 November 2014 (PST)
 
:{{c|neutral}} A wiki should be a place for unambiguous information which is guaranteed by repeating the item name. However, I neither think writing "this item" would hurt too much, nor think changing it is worth the effort or improves the flow of reading. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:28, 12 December 2014 (PST)
 
::Alrighty, I'll create German pages with "this item" and the like from now on and leave the rest untouched for now. '''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 06:31, 12 December 2014 (PST)
 
  
== New Pants Page? ==
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[[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_Wiki:Wiki_Birthday#Official.E2.84.A2_Team_Fortress_Energy_Drink]] you see this page on the wiki contain a team fortress wiki energie drink with a link for have it but it don't work and is not secure, can someone help me ? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]]''' ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Nonolemage|contribs]]) 2023-12-21, 13:46 UTC</small>
  
We're starting to get a lot of pants items now with the EOTL update coming out. Should we make a new disambiguation page leading to pants in general? [[File:Killicon_sandman_ball.png|50px]] [[User:Bruss48|<span style="color:black;">'''Bruss48'''</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Bruss48|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bruss48|C]])</sub> [[File:Killicon_flying_guillotine.png|60px]] 15:47, 11 December 2014 (PST)
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:Please sign your messages using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
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:The website appears to be down and no archive of it exists, so unless someone here happens to have a copy we can't do much.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
  
== Game mode goals ==
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== Multiple Suggestions related to Infobox, etc ==
  
Many of the map articles have a paragraph that describes the goal of the map. For example, [[Capture the Flag]] maps have "The goal of the map is to capture the [[Intelligence]] three times, while preventing the enemy from doing the same." I think these descriptions are unnecessary and redundant - the goal is already described in the game mode article, and it should be removed from the map article.
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Hi. I have been wanting to write this in the past, but, well, finally here it is. I have a couple suggestions about things related to infobox, and other things to make the design of the Wiki flow better on certain articles. I will be posting here as it covers a multitude of topics, as opposed to posting each one of them on their respective templates. When adding "Support" and "Not Support" on your responses, please make sure to add the number (and letter) behind to specify what you are supporting (or not supporting) as a change (like: "1-c"). With that said, let's get going:
  
'''However''', the description should remain for maps where the goal is different than other maps of the same game mode. For example, [[Mountain Lab]] has three successive control points, compared to the usual two on an [[Attack/Defend]] map or the five on a [[Symmetric]] map. In this case, it would be useful to have the description in the article.
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What do you think? [[User:Doktor|Doktor]] ([[User talk:Doktor|talk]]) 21:45, 28 December 2014 (PST)
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1) Implement a way on the {{code|Item infobox}} template where if a style or class has only one team-color compared to other styles with team-colors, include an icon in the middle of both teams. For instance:
  
== What happened to the wiki? ==
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a) The Heavy variant of the [[Team Captain]] only has one color, but the page right now includes a duplicate of the RED variant as a workaround. What I suggest is doing this: [https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z]. Make the Heavy variant only one file, and center it. It should be pretty clear that because of the image is in the middle, is that it looks like that on both teams.
  
There is no more custom theme, but only basic Vector ! {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 10:15, 10 January 2015 (PST)
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b) For items with styles that only has one color (not team-colored), do the same thing as well. In the example of [[Close Quarters Cover]], include the "Alert" style on the infobox in the middle of the "RED" and "BLU" sections of the infobox, something like this: [https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME].
:Everything is back to normal. I do not know what could this happen. I screenshots in case. {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 10:20, 10 January 2015 (PST)
 
  
== Extension:Translate ==
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c) For items that are not team-colored, but have class-specific variants, include a new part colored in grey called "Both Teams", and include each image on the middle as well. For example, the [[Dead Little Buddy]] have 3 model variants, one for Pyro, one for Demoman, and the other for the remaining classes. The idea is this: [https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO].
  
Mediawiki version 1.24 introduces [[w:mw:Extension:Translate|Extension:Translate]], a different way of handling language translation. The primary benefits to this wiki are:
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d) Although I do not have a mock-up right now, I thought of also doing the same as above for items that has only one color. So, for instance, the [[Jumper's Jeepcap]] would have a "Both Teams" section, and it would include the "UNPAINTED" variant on the center. Items with styles with just one color, like [[Mustachioed Mann]], would be similar to Dead Little Buddy, including each style on the infobox, alongside their names. Items like [[Carl]] that has no styles, but is neutral-colored, would also have the "Both Teams" part.
#Shared content across pages. We currently use [[Template:Dictionary|a dictionary]] along with [[Template:Assisting in Pyroland|various]] [[Template:Halloween restricted|other]] [[Template:Golden Wrench notes|templates]] to accomplish this.
 
#Automatic translation linking. We currently use the [[Mediawiki:Sidebar|sidebar]], which has some bugs as this is not a standard usage.  
 
#Flagging outdated translations. This is currently not done.
 
#Various statistics (currently compiled by [[User:WindBOT|WindBOT]], through templates, or by scripts).
 
The cost to usual editors is this: English pages would have <nowiki><translate>tags around</translate></nowiki> text that needed translation. These strings appear to translators for the edit page in another language. Thus, we would have to split our translations into these strings.<br>
 
The benefit to usual editors is this: Templates and possibly other parts of the pages could be synchronized more easily between languages. It is clearer to translators when a page is outdated. More work done by translators would be re-used.<br>
 
The benefit to more casual readers is the "quality of translation" links, which indicate if a translation is out of date or incomplete.<br>
 
Answers to a few concerns I had:
 
* This extension will not break any pages we currently have. The software only takes control when it finds <nowiki><translate></nowiki> tags.
 
* This extension uses the same language scheme. Pages are linked via slash (Main Page/es), rather than the wikia standard of colon (es:Main Page).
 
I would {{c|Support}} this extension (and MediaWiki upgrade) being tested and slowly introduced. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 08:17, 27 January 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|neutral}} Sounded like the main benefit that is currently not solved in another way (windbot etc.) is finding out of date translations, but I guess articles are out of date because translators do not have the time to keep them updated instead of not knowing which articles should be redone?<br>
 
:''The software only takes control when it finds <nowiki><translate></nowiki> tags.'' This sounds good.<br>
 
:''this extension (and MediaWiki upgrade) being '''tested''' and '''slowly''' introduced.'' This is a very important part. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:16, 28 January 2015 (PST)
 
::{{c|+|Why not ?}} {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 12:49, 28 January 2015 (PST)
 
  
== What happened to the TF2 Wiki when it was down earlier this week? ==
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I was really worried. Does anyone know about the past situation? [[User:SpriteFan3|&#123; &#60;3 SpriteFan3 © &#125;]] ([[User talk:SpriteFan3|talk]]) 19:30, 7 February 2015 (PST)
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2) Get rid of the current "2D" images of Weapons, and use "Item icons" instead. The 2D weapon images are not consistent throughout the Wiki. They have different lighting, different angles, and so on. What I suggest is doing something similar to another Wiki I also contributed (one related to a TF2 sourcemod): [https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP]. This looks extremely clean, and every page would have in this angle. The 2D image only includes the RED variant, just like we use RED classes on our cosmetic previews.
:AFAIK a switch broke in the datacenter, so valve couldn't fix it immediately, they had to contact their host and get it fixed there. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 19:32, 7 February 2015 (PST)
 
:::AFAIK the story above could be true, but i suspect magic and a rise in darkness. What the real truth is we will never know. We can just hope that the next time a magical warded backup route is secured. (Test if edits work for me without 10x 503 errors like before) [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 21:08, 7 February 2015 (PST)
 
  
== PNG vs JPG ==
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Hello, I have a question about the images of major updates. What is better for high-resolution images? e.g.:
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3) Add the "RED" and "BLU" sections on the infobox for Weapon pages, even if the 3D image allows you to switch between teams. Right now, the RED variant is used as the 2D image (for team-colored weapons), while the 2D BLU variant awkwardly sits on the Gallery section. My suggestion would be this: [https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo]
* JPG 100% quality lossless (1,600 × 7,052 pixels, file size: 1.69 MB) [[:File:Love_and_War_day_2.jpg]]
 
* PNG (580 × 3,350 pixels, file size: 1.69 MB) [[:File:LoveAndWarUpdate_Day2.png]] (lowered resolution, text is difficult to read)
 
Yeap i can do PNG with 100% quality lossless but file size will be 8-10 Mb (1,600 × 7,052 pixels) + can compress (4-5 Mb) but it is still more than JPG. (I have fast internet connection 100 Mbit/s but people with slow internet have problems with image 4+ MB). May be JPG format will be better for images of major updates? <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 06:19, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|+|Yes for JPG}}, I think It's important to keep the best quality available for an image. <div style="display:inline-block; padding:0px 15px; font-weight:bold; border-radius:3px; color:#32CD32;background:#2f2f2f;">[[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User_talk:SillyPingwins]][[User:SillyPingwins|<font color="ffffff" size="2px">Silly Pingwins</font>]][[File:Silvertrophy.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/SillyPingwins]]</div> 06:37, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|-|No for JPG}}. Both of those images have different pixels, so it's difficult to differ which one has the best quality. What tool did you to take a screenshot of the page? I use Firefox command called "screenshot --fullpage", The quality is amazing and gets the whole page (that includes youtube player, etc.). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 06:59, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:: Source images + Adobe Photoshop CC 2014 (+ plugins) + Adobe Illustrator CC (for best quality text) (especially for translations). Source code have all necessary links, buttons, icons ...It takes longer, but we get original page images. I know about "screenshot --fullpage", but screenshots this is not the original image. And if you have a problem with drivers (or setting) or you dont have any font, then screenshot will with these defects. I'm not saying that your screenshots bad, question was: '''for what upload 4MB images if you can upload small_size_excellent_quality_analogs (you can easily convert format)?''' <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 07:37, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
::: Didn't got any problem with it yet. Maybe you can do with that process but save in .png? Even being a 4MB file. The Triad Trinket infobox image is pretty big too (1.27mb). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:42, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:: Thanks for opinion. But I have not heard answer on my question. Well, here's the same image, but in different formats:
 
::*[[:File:User_Radist_Test2.png|PNG]] (1200 × 6375 pixels, file size: 4,63 MB)
 
::*[[:File:User_Radist_Test1.jpg|JPG]] (1200 × 6375 pixels, file size: 1,55 MB) <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 14:01, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:::Seems to be fine, but, as you said, you make mount those images via Photoshop, and if the image has transparency? .JPG does not handle alpha mask, but, I suppose the background would be there for that. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:46, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
::::So is the argument here that PNG doesn't compress as well as JPG? Because that's clearly true in the original example, the JPG is larger dimensions at the same filesize. One of the standard reasons to use PNG (as I believe it is here) is that the PNG format is lossless compression, so while it may have larger filesizes, there is no quality loss over the original. JPG is often used for the reverse, when size is a strong concern, for example when bandwidth is limited, e.g. mobile platforms.
 
::::The question of quality is obviously a moot point when the JPG image is graphically larger, it should be favored in that case unless the compression makes it unreadable. There is the additional concern of transparency, but that's not very serious.
 
::::In the end, 4 MB for a file should be a reasonably fast download. 100 Mb/sec gives you a painful 1.5 minute download speed, but for a large image (like a page-long update blurb) it's probably worth it. The main thing I would say is that in the case of already-existent images (update page images, e.g.) there's no reason to be taking a web browser screenshot, it's more reasonable to use the actual file. If that file is large, we can always convert it to an SVG. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 15:22, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
  
== "Action taunt", "action taunt", "Special taunt" or "special taunt"? ==
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I think it's pretty odd the uppercase on "Action taunt" that it is right now on the pages. But, according to the Mann Co. Store, all those 'custom' taunts are named "Special Taunt". Shouldn't be those called "Special Taunt" instead of "Action taunt", as it follows how it's written in-game? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:17, 2 April 2015 (PDT)
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4) For cosmetic pages that has styles alongside class changes on the Painted Variants table, include additional buttons that include class icons. The idea is to remove clutter on pages with a lot of tabs to choose from (see [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Boarder%27s_Beanie&oldid=3594086 this page]). In technical terms, the style buttons would be responsible to change the "style" part of the filename, while the class buttons would change the class part of the filename. If the first class is chosen, then the code needs to get rid of the class part of the filename, as the first class is always the default: [https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK]
  
== Safe Feature ==
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a) Additionally, text could be placed on each row, one for "Style:", and the other for "Class:" for the second row, just so it's a little more intuitive and understandable for everyone.
  
Alright so, I've been working on translating here for quite some time, though sometimes, the pages I'm translating are fairly long, and it sometimes happens that by some stupid accident I lose a lot of progress.
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Is there a way we could like a "save" feature? Where you can see the wiki pages you are editing, or limit it so you can only have one save at a time, that would be sufficient.
 
What I want is the possibility to kind of have page in Limbo, so it is saved on the wiki, but not displayed. Then once you are done with it, you publish it. The thing is, I know there are
 
alternative ways to save your progress, like opening a word document or something, but it just seems like such a hassle. And of course you can't just leave half-translated/edited pages on the Wiki.
 
So i ask this: Would it be possible to get a button, like between '''Watchlist''' and '''Contributions''' that's like '''Work In Progress''' or '''WIP''' for short. I don't know, you  guys are the experts.
 
So.. what do you say? --[[User:Mrsirpotatohead|Mrsirpotatohead]] ([[User talk:Mrsirpotatohead|talk]]) 00:11, 3 April 2015 (PDT)
 
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: Unfortunately i don't think this is possible. As you said, the most you can do is regularly save it to a word document, otherwise you can leave a half-translated page on your user sandbox, then migrate it over to the main page. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 11:26, 3 April 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Any reason for community maps? ==
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5) Include "infobox images" for separate styles, and add buttons that let you change it. The idea is to include identical images (with identical classes and facial flexing), with the only thing changing the model. For example, [[Main Cast]] would look like this: [https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs].
  
I was wondering, why is there so many community maps on the Wiki? I don't think they should be here in the first place, since the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Policies#Community_websites|Community websites]] policy was taken (I know it was for websites). A lot of those maps, at least in my opinion, aren't that interesting. Not forgetting how bland/empty most of the custom map pages are. Of course that some maps were mentioned in some blog posts (like the Walkway) and some participated as a map creation competition, but I still think they shouldn't be as pages too. Since we're talking about community stuff, the [[Community mods]] should have a review too. While a lot of them are pretty interesting, I think it would fall to the same problem, although, there aren't many community mods in this Wiki as community maps, so I'm not sure about it. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:55, 18 April 2015 (PDT)
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== black mesa items incoming ==
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6) Include more sections on the Gallery for items with more than one Style. In the past, the [[Robot Chicken Hat]] page did include all 9 classes on the Gallery section, with 2 separate sections, one with the "Beak" style, and the other with "Beakless" style. It would follow the same rule as "5)", with both images looking identical facial-flex and pose-wise. Some pages like [[Dead of Night]] wouldn't include all classes on each section. Classes with lack of grenades wouldn't be there.
  
should we start making pages for the new black mesa promo items coming up?
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'''Edit:''' Some users asked for an example, so, when I talked about the Robot Chicken Hat, it originally [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Robot_Chicken_Hat&oldid=1679218 looked like this]. The images don't exist anymore, but you can still see how it looked like. When I wrote the suggestion, I thought something about that (though it could have been changed a little, like include an "Other" title for the remaining images that aren't related to the class images), but, after Swood's suggestion, I'd say that using Tabs would be more ideal, something akin to how we do on the Tournament Medal pages.
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:CwalkPinoy|CwalkPinoy]]''' ([[User talk:CwalkPinoy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/CwalkPinoy|contribs]]) </small>
 
: There's no confirmation that the items are going to be ingame. There's a number of promo items for games on the Workshop that have never been added to the actual game. If there ever is a confirmation/the items get added to the game, then the pages can be created. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:23, 10 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Should the Iron Bomber and the Panic Attack's stats be changed? ==
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I did an example on my 2nd Sandbox page. I thought something about this: [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538 https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538] (note that a couple images, namely the infobox team-colors, and paint cans, does not show up properly due to the page's name being different, if this were to be pasted onto the actual page, it would show just as fine). I decided to not make the Tabs centered as regular cosmetic pages are usually not centered, unlike Tournament Medals / Community Medal ones. I also decided to make the gallery width "485px", so it shows 3 images per row, and looks pretty nice and cool with whatever's below that does not require a Tabs section.
  
Hello everyone. I'm weirdengi, new user to the wiki.
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What I want to talk about for today is about the Iron Bomber. You may be familiar to this weapon, it was added in the Smissmas 2014 Update.
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7) Lastly. Items that include noticeable team-color differences could also get "Single Color" paint can previews on both teams, even if the paint look identical on the area that is paintable. When Paints were first introduced, they were mostly applied to cosmetics that used the same texture on either team. Now, nowadays, we have cosmetics that include team-colored parts that are not paintable, alongside other parts that are. So, for instance, [[Brawling Buccaneer]] would have its Painted variants table from <nowiki>{{Painted variants}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{Painted variants full}}</nowiki>, and single color paint can previews for the BLU team would be made, to show how the paint looks like, and despite being painted in the same area, the rest of the item is in another color. Readers might want to know how an item looks on the BLU team. This would take a long time too make for the entirety of the Wiki, and would be a project that would require remaking some paint variants if they do not have Rotation values saved, or if there's another issue that doesn't make them 1:1, but I think it would look good, and useful as well.
  
As you can see, the iron bombers stats look fine, but whenever you use it, the barrel would not spin due to unknown reasons by Valve. The stats should be changed by holding the mouse by firing 4 grenades at one that way it can spin, it will do extra damage with 4 grenades in one shot. The reload animation needs to get fixed, it looks like the Demoman didn't know how to reload because he's drunk. He needs to put one grenade, turn it and put another one in there, and so on.
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Hold the fire button and hold 4 shells until it fires.
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8) For items that has several styles / classes on the infobox (such as [[Manndatory Attire]], [[Beaten and Bruised]] and [[Boarder's Beanie‎]]), make the Infobox template show less of them by default, and include a button with a caption "↓ Show remaining ↓". If possible, make the last one have a "fade" effect, so it's perfectly clear what the button is about. My idea was to include at least 10 of these sections, then fade (because if it reaches 10 of these, it means there's more than one Style per class, where other pages would include 9 of these per class, though, it could be shortened if needed, but personally I would go with 10 sections before the button and fade shows up). It would look like this: [https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6 https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6]
  
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'''Edit: ''' 9) Regarding the Styles section. If we include Styles on the infobox, even for items that look the same on either team, is it really necessary to include the "Styles" section on the page, alongside the table, if everything would be on the Infobox? It seems redundant to keep both of them, but, I'd only get rid of the Styles section after everything is added to the infobox, including the single-color Styles on it. Additionally, certain pages that has Styles that change between classes are a little confusing at the moment. [[Manndatory Attire]] has only Scout's styles being demonstrated on the table, despite each class changing the visuals.
  
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a) Originally I was going to suggest a class-switcher button, similar to the "4)", but, if "1)" is implemented, I don't see any reason to keep the Styles section. Please let me know if you think there should be either: "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table" or "Getting rid of the Styles section entirely as it would be redundant with all the styles on the infobox once the "1)" suggestion is implemented.
  
Anyways, let's go on to the panic attack.  
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b) The only problem that getting rid of the Styles section would be problematic for items that has barely any difference unpainted, but has more notable differences when paintable. Items like [[Onimann]] mostly change its visuals when painted between styles, and if there's no section for it. However, the painted variants table, alongside the main summary on the top of the page, would both visually show the difference, as well would explain in text what each style does in terms of paint.
  
The Panic Attack's shells doesn't go in there with the pyro. I checked the rest of the classes, and it did the same thing. We need to fix the reload also. We need to change the stats for this one.
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Please let me know your thoughts below. Notice that I'm not sure if I would be able to implement some of these suggestions, specially the ones for the "Item infobox" template. If there's enough support, I'd appreciate anyone who could implement suggested changes / additions. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Cannot load 4 shells in there. (Which means you cannot put 4 shells and automatically shoot)
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:1. I think that section should be dedicated to showing off the team colours rather than different styles for different classes. If a cosmetic looks different on different classes I would prefer a different box for it similar to the "Styles" section.
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:2/3. That's fine by me, though I would also want to add a second button to it for the BLU variant rather than stuffing it in the Gallery.
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:4/5. I like this.
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:6. I like this, although I would suggest we use the {{tl|Tabs}} template for it.
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:7. I like this too, but it would require a ton of work and I'm not sure we'd be able to make it through.
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:8. I'm not sure that I'm a fan of collapsing a bunch of them. I would prefer having them sorted by class instead similar to {{tl|Tabs}}.
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:9. See answer on 1.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Firing speed goes fast whenever your health gets low. (Just like the Escape Plan.)
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::1 {{c|+|Agree}} - All of these changes look very nice, I don't have anything to say about them.
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::2 / 3 {{c|?|Not sure / changes}} - Would the change to using weapon icons include BLU weapon icons as well? If it does, I would rather have the 2D BLU image in the main infobox when you click on BLU and then switch to the 2D image instead of it being below the main image.
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::4 {{c|+|Agree}} - This also looks nice.
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::5 {{c|-|Disagree}} - I don't know how I feel about this, I feel like the painted variants sorta already accomplish the goal of knowing what the cosmetic would look like with the different styles. It would also take a lot of work to recreate a lot of infobox images just for this.
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::6 {{c|-|Disagree}} - I have the same thoughts about this as 5, it would take a lot of work to redo a bunch of galleries when the styes / painted variants section already get the job done.
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::7 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - This would look nice, however it would again take a lot of work to get done.
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::8 {{c|+|Agree / changes}} - I like the idea, though I agree with what Swood said with that it would look better if it was just in tabs instead.
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::9 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I sort of agree with the idea of removing the styles section, but I also do like how there's a sort of simplified section for seeing all of the styles instead of it only being part of the infobox and painted variants.
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:::1 {{c|-|Disagree}} - Same reason with Swood, I think the style section should do the job.
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:::2 {{c|+|Agree}} - Good idea!
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:::3 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - Instead of taking space in infobox, Why don't we use the same button used on 3D images?
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:::4 {{c|+|Agree}} - Yes.
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:::5 {{c|+|Agree}} - Looks nice, but considered what Andrew says we might not getting those done in recent.
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:::6 {{c|+|Agree}} - We are gonna do a lot of work then I guess.
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:::7 {{c|+|Agree}} - Same with Andrew360
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:::8 {{c|?|Not sure}} - Looks good, though yeah, why not use {{tl|Tabs}}?
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:::9 {{c|?|Disagree.. or Sorta Agree}} - If I have to choose one from infobox and style section, I would take style section. In my opinion the infoboxs shouldn't be too long and contain too much information, comparing to a small space on the right side of the page, I think the style section can display the information better. If 8 gets passed then I'm fine with it too. (I just don't want to see infobox gets longer than the page itself.)
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:::[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 06:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
  
-10% moving speed
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::::1 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - Eh, doesn't matter to me either way.
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::::2 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I wanna see how it would look first.
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::::3 {{c|+|Agree}} - I was kinda the one to start the whole "shoving the blue variant in the gallery" and have always wondered why there wasn't a color toggle for the 2D variants.
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::::4 {{c|+|Strongly agree}} - I wish it was like this since the beginning!
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::::5 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I like the idea, but it will take a '''lot''' of work updating all the pages and such with the change.
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::::6 {{c|?|Not sure}} - Same answer as 5.
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::::7 {{c|+|Agree}} - I'm only saying yes because we'll only have to edit the templates which are used across all translation pages.
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::::8 {{c|-|Somewhat disagree}} - There aren't very many items that have loads of different styles like this, I think I'd wait until we get something like a shirt or coat that includes a load of different styles (with team variants).
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::::9 {{c|-|Strongly disagree}} - Yeah it is necessary to have a styles section, because they mostly show examples of what they look like on the character wearing it. I know that the infobox has styles too, but they're only the raw models.
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::::[[User:ShadowMan44|ShadowMan44]] ([[User talk:ShadowMan44|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  
-15% weapon spread.
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:::::So, after some user's responses, I'd like to mention a couple things. In regards to most of "2)" and "3)" responses, here's something I didn't mention. There would be a slight problem for items that are not team-colored if we just implemented a RED and BLU image switcher. The idea of using "Item icons" with the RED variant / neutral-color variant, would that it would make everything consistent and nice looking, While "RED" and "BLU" 2D images are usually very consistent too, the current "2D" images used on weapon pages are all over the place. Using the "Item icon" in conjunction with the RED and BLU team-colors means we could use already existing images on the Wiki, too. Not that I would have a problem if new images had to be created for the Neutral-Colored weapons, but, I still think that using the Item icons would highly benefit here, since how nice they look on weapons.
  
Do these weapon stats work? I will come back and receive your feedback and replies
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:::::However, if we go with a RED and BLU switcher, what we could perhaps do is team-colored Item icons, yeah that would be awesome. Not only that, but we also have Item icons for Australiums, and, I even made Australium Festivized icons for TF2B a while ago, that is only used there and not on the Wiki, at the moment.
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Weirdengi|Weirdengi]]''' ([[User talk:Weirdengi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Weirdengi|contribs]]) </small>
 
: This sort of thing shouldn't be on here. This page (and the talk pages in general) are for discussing wiki content. If you want to talk about weapon stats, go to the Discussions on Steam or the Steam forums. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 11:49, 16 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Useless Pages ==
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:::::GrampaSwood 6) Yeah, I didn't think of this, but using Tabs on the Gallery would be pretty good, something we already do in Tournament Medal pages, actually.
  
Not sure if this is the right place to talk about this as i'm relatively new to this wiki, but are some pages located in [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Category:Topics_covered_better_by_other_wikis this category] really necessary? Some pages only show items that came from a promotion and/or a link to another wiki. Wouldn't it just be easier to simply link this pages to their respective wikis or Wikipedia instead of creating a useless page? -[[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 22:11, 19 May 2015 (PDT)
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:::::GrampaSwood, Andrew360, Profiteer 7) While I can't promise I will be on the Wiki forever, and, with my statement on my userpage being correct (that I won't be as active in 2024), making BLU team-colored variants on "Standalone" models is a faster process than when making when loaded as a "weapon" (e.g.: Cosmetic loaded on a player model). The reason I did all the [[Boarder's Beanie]] paint variants is solely because it's a standalone model, I was able to generate the paint variants very quickly (and in high quality and proper colors). I can still do every single style and class on BLU as well, for the Single Color paint variants, for the Beanies, I just haven't done since we are still discussing this.
: I'd say they're fine. The purpose of those pages are to give a general view of the game. Though brief, its just enough to get a decent idea of what the game is without going to the respective wiki which would have too much info for someone who'd want to know about it in a very short time. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 05:14, 20 May 2015 (PDT)
 
:: The pages are also useful for showing which items are related to that game ([[Promotional items]]), as well linking to the store page of said game. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:56, 20 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Workshop link to community maps? ==
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:::::My Laptop is currently not being used. I have thought of the idea of making an HLMV machine, and letting paint variants being made while I do other things. This is something I thought about in the past, but I would require another monitor (which I can buy, no problem), but I also would need time, something I will not have that much starting 2024. However, I'm also in the point where I feel like I have contributed quite a lot for the Wiki already, so I'm kinda conflicted if I should really do this or not. I would only require to re-install Windows, re-configure HLMV (which can be painful), and things like that, before I can make it an idle HLMV machine that makes paint variants.
  
With the new addition of Steam Workshop Subscribe method, do you guys think that a link for the page to subscribe to that map is necessary on community map pages? A wording different than the typical "The (item) was contributed to the Steam Workshop.", something like "This map can be subscribed at its "Workshop page" (With a link of the page on the quotation, but remove the quotation when decided to add into the pages. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:50, 3 June 2015 (PDT)
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:::::ShadowMan44 7) Correct, currently, the "Painted variants full" template states that mouse-hovered "Single colors" states that "due to how the cosmetic's textures are set up, it changes colors between teams". This would require to be changed appropriately, somehow, though I don't think that yet another Painted variants template should be made. It should be possible to just add a parameter of some sort.
  
== Halloween Spells Video Demos ==
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:::::Gabrielwoj, Andrew360 5) Despite me suggesting this, I was also not too sure about it, but I decided to post it as a matter of discussion. In most cases, Styles just change the look of an item, without changing the placement of the model, or the model itself. In some other cases, however, it does change something [[Liquor Locker]], [[Pocket-Medes]], etc. While it would be an interesting idea, and I do have a couple cosmetics with all styles made already, most of the rest would require to be remade. This could also be a little difficult for regular HLMV users, as refreshing the model viewer gets rid of the facial flex entirely, but not on HLMV++. While you can unload and load submodels without having to refresh, HLMV does read from "$color2" instead of "$colortint_base", which means if someone forgets about that on an older cosmetic, they'd need to refresh after fixing it from the .vmt.
  
So someone brought this up again and it was discussed before but no input so I'm going to bring it up again. Should we make videos or have images (or even gifs) of each halloween spells showcasing what they do/what they look like, etc. We've done it with Unusual effects already so why not with Halloween Spells? (And possibly taunt effects) Thoughts? [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 15:19, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
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:::::Profiteer 9) That's a good point. I guess if the Styles section was more populated (actually shows differences between classes), then I suppose that items like [[Manndatory Attire]] and [[Boarder's Beanie]] wouldn't require that huge amount of styles being shown on the table. But then, there's another problem. Items already show their unpainted RED and BLU variants on the infobox, and how exactly could we categorize "exceptions" to be only on the Styles section if we follow your idea?
: Taunt unusual effects have been done already. I don't know if HLMV supports it, unless various screenshots are taken of each frame of the spell animation. I'm looking through the game files to see how the paint works (if it is possible to find in items_game.txt, which I hope). If we're going to do the spells images for the paints, why not the footprints as well? Plus, videos for spells that changes voices and etc. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:48, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
 
::Something else: If you have an item with paint spell applied, you can see the paint splash icon fading as well. This can be helpful to get the HEX value of the first frame of the animation and the last, and then getting the difference of the hue from each and make the rest of the colors. I suggest using a mod to make the splash clear, though, the halloween paints are broken for now and it doesn't animate. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:07, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
 
::: Broken huh, is it not possible to simulate it the same way? [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 05:24, 29 June 2015 (PDT)
 
:::: I don't have any items with spells and I don't plan to apply any in the future. Well, there's this guy who made a video comparing the spells on a Gibus (Have all the spell paints except the Spectral Spectrum on BLU): [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-rm0ZGUHCY]. As you can see, some spells have their fading effect quicker than others. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:10, 29 June 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== GIFs for skins ==
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:::::ShadowMan44 9) I'm not quite sure if I understood what you said. The styles table on both the Style section and infobox use the same exact images, same files, with some exceptions like the [[Dead of Night]] and [[Pocket-Medes]]. This is why I mentioned it being redundant, because in most cases, both sections use the same images. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  
On the IRC, Ashes and I came up with an idea of creating gif images for the skins to show how the wear effects the guns in visual appearance. The GIFs would also mean less images that would need to be uploaded, and would allow for editing of the collection pages to be easier and cleaner as they wouldn't be cluttered with so many images. Thoughts? Ideas? --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 12:24, 5 July 2015 (PDT)
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::::::So [[User:Tekinz|Tekinz]] and [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] talked with me via Steam and Discord DMs, and I'd like to post their opinions on this. Tekinz asked me to post on my behalf, explaining what he told me instead of directly quoting him, while mgpt allowed me to directly translate what he told me. With that said, here's what they had to say:
:{{c|Disagree}} The page would be too cluttered with .gif images. And pages for each skin doesn't work either. Plus, way too big .gif gifs has their quality reduced, so the Wear for it wouldn't be very distinguishable, unless we go with .webm. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:33, 5 July 2015 (PDT)
 
:{{c|agree}} I agree that we ''COULD'' have such a concept, however I think we should use formats that Wikipeddia uses, like '.ogg'. I have not tested '*.ogg' on mobile, but I know that '*.gifv' and '*.webm' do not work on Samsung devices, this would put the site lower on google, and that is bad. [[User:RobTheStarCollector|Rob, collects stars]] [[User_talk:RobTheStarCollector|But some people think I hold them.]] 11:03, 10 November 2015 (PST)
 
:: After going back to this, i'll have to revoke my standing on this and disagree. As much as GIFs would be a clear understanding, this is a wiki after all. GIFs on one page would cause load time issues, especially for users with less powerful computers. Unless the GIFs are hosted on an external site by Valve/Wiki I don't think it will work out. NOTE, This discussion is kinda old now so its kinda... dead. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 11:08, 10 November 2015 (PST)
 
:::I figured that was enough to revive this. Guess it's super dead now.[[User:RobTheStarCollector|Rob, collects stars]] [[User_talk:RobTheStarCollector|But some people think I hold them.]] 11:13, 10 November 2015 (PST)
 
  
== dont know if this is where to send it. ==
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::::::Tekinz: He told me that he agrees with most of my proposed update and changes, while pin-pointing some specific numbers with further explanation. He adds that for "7)", it would be a huge amount of work, and we would need quite a few active image creators to be able to achieve it in a timely manner, but otherwise it would be a general improvement to the pages. On "8)", he adds that he has no real problems with and thinks it's pretty good, mentioning that if combined with "1)", it would look great. On "9)", he mentioned that it's probably a good idea considering how the Styles section is located pretty far on the page and that it would probably be better to have them focused to the infobox since it's much closer to the top, alongside the rest of relevant images. He further adds that the Styles section always seemed not as important since it was too close to the Trivia and Patch Notes, while also being beneath the huge Painted Variants table that overshadows it.
  
Hey its me TheUnknownFireBoy, I have no idea if this is where i send stuff to help out the Wiki or something, But. Im doing it anyway. So had a few ideas on how to help the WIKI.  
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::::::mgpt:
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 1. Everything looks okay to me, if it's easy to implement;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 2. I did take a look on some weapons, and I agree in using "Item icons";
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 3. I saw the comments, and Andrew360's idea, and I agree, it has my vote;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 4. You got my vote, very good;
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::::::{{c|-|Disagree}} 5. I agree with Andrew360 and Profiteer, I don't think that it's worth the work, considering there's already images below on the infobox, alongside the painted variants;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 6. It ends up being the same as "5)", however, I'd like to see an example how it would look like;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 7. I'm not sure if I noticed completely, but would that be switching the template from "Painted variants" to "Painted variants full" In several cosmetics, like how it was done in [[Brigade Helm]]? If so, I don't see a problem;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 7. An idea to the template. Wouldn't it look better if it was something like this, with 2 buttons? [https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C] Or is it being done currently like it's on the page so it's possible to compare both teams at the same time? Probably that;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 8. I like the idea, however, the information still continue to be too deep on the page, wouldn't be better to only show 4 or 5, instead of 9?;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 9. a) "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table". In the example of [[Beaten and Bruised]], the images wouldn't be anymore on the infobox, correct?;
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::::::{{c|Info}} I like "8)"'s idea, but if "9)" is applied, then number "8)" is discarded. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  
1st = insted of pictures for the cosmetics try adding like a 3D view of it so we can spin the cosmetics around.
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:::::::I also replied to mgpt regarding some of his questions, so I had the following to say:
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:::::::7) On number "7)", it would be including previews like how it's done on "Single Color" paint cans on the BLU team, even if when they are applied on the same area, the paint color looks identical to the RED team. Currently, we only use "Painted variants full" in cases of items that has different colorization between teams, such as the case of [[Stout Shako]];
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:::::::7. a) I liked the idea of including RED and BLU on the top, it would be very intuitive. '''Post-thoughts:''' After re-reading his thoughts on this one, I saw that the original idea would be buttons, while I first thought they were simply two sections that would separate the teams more properly, visually. I thought if maybe that by doing so, we could include a faint red and a faint blue background to separate them both, and make the template a little more nice to look at, as currently there's a bunch of paint variants all included in one table.
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:::::::8) In regards to the default quantity, it would still be discussed, but the main idea would be something that could be expanded to show the remaining. I finished the [[Boarder's Beanie]] images, and the infobox ended up being very lengthy. The table for Painted variants will probably change if "4)" is implemented.
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:::::::9) The images would still stay on the infobox section, but the idea would be that on the Styles table, it would include an array of buttons with each of the classes icons, so it could be changed, similar to what it has been suggested on "4)". The only thing that, if "1)" is implemented, the Styles section may not be as necessary anymore. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  
2nd = insted of putting decorated you can try to place the decorated weapons in the specific stock weapon place coz they are just reskines likes the decorated scatterguns for example the backcountry scattergun coz its a reskin it should be in the scattergun wiki page. Yeah i know there decorated weps they should be in the decorated page. BUT. Try putting the decorated quality in the spicific weapons page? my opinion.
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{{Outdent|7}} 1 {{c|?|Not sure}} It sure would be easy to implement but I feel this would discount the usefulness of the class gallery or style section.<br>
 
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2/3 {{c|+|Agree}} It would clean up the inconsistencies from the 2D weapon images and make them extremely consistent. The item icons are used all over the wiki in subtle ways such as in crafting recipes or in big lists of weapons but it's time for those to be the defacto 2D image for weapons. Bring Shugo-style to the infobox!<br>
And yeah thats all i have idea for the wiki.
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4 {{c|+|Agree}} Adding the class icons in place of the class name plus sorting the paint table by class would greatly improve the user experience. (I always stress when uploading paint galleries with multiple styles that I may upload to the incorrect style/class)<br>
 
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5 {{c|-|Disagree}} On top of remaking all the infobox images being an immense amount of work, I feel this would also take away from the usefulness of the style box.<br>
If you want to contact me or anything here-----> steam name : not available coz my profil does not appear anywhere.
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6 {{c|?|Not sure}} I would be more open to this than #5 but I often find that the class gallery images often take me the most time to complete and be happy with. Trying to find good and unique poses and appropriate facial flexes for all 9 classes takes me a fair amount of time. I wish I was faster at it.<br>
 
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7 {{c|?|Not sure}} I kind of agree on this point but I feel it could just be on a cosmetic-by-cosmetic basis. Like we do now, I think, we could only implement this on hats that would benefit from a full paint gallery.<br>
but here is my email.-----  Racershmoe@hotmail.com
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8 {{c|+|Agree}} I agree with the others on this point, {{tl|Tabs}} would be great for this. I am more for moving the class styles out of the infobox and moving them to the style box. I feel more and more pages suffer from having a long infobox with the inclusion of more all-class, multi-style hats. If they were moved to the style box with tabs, I think many pages would look a whole lot cleaner and compact.<br>
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TheUnknownFireBoy|TheUnknownFireBoy]]''' ([[User talk:TheUnknownFireBoy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TheUnknownFireBoy|contribs]]) </small>
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9 {{c|-|Disagree}} See #8<br>
: 1. This was considered. However, making [[TFW:3D Models|3d models]] takes time, and there are ''way'' too many hats in the game. If you'd like to do this, I'm glad to help, but it's a serious endeavor.
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[[User:H20verdrive|H20verdrive]] ([[User talk:H20verdrive|talk]]) 01:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
: 2. You'll need to state this one again, with some better grammar -- I've no idea what you said.
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:I've been mildly intimidated, procrastinating voting on this for a week, but here we go:
: I'd discourage you from sharing your email on the web, instead people can post [[User talk:TheUnknownFireBoy|on your talk page]] or use [[Special:EmailUser]] to contact you directly.
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:1. {{c|+|Agree}} Very good stuff.
: [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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:2. {{c|?|Abstain}} Not sure about this, it might seem awkward on some items. Like others have said I'd want to see it first.
 
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:3. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} Seems necessary, but I wonder if there's a more cohesive way to display them.
== MP3 Voice Lines ==
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:4. {{c|+|Agree}} Looks nice, more visual and less clutter.
 
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:5. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} Seems alright.
As you know, the voice lines in TF2 are now in MP3 format instead of WAV. In addition to being much smaller files which would reduce bandwidth use, MP3 is also natively supported by every major browser -- unlike WAV, which requires a plugin like QuickTime. Would it be a good idea to replace all of the files with the MP3 versions? [[User:Steve the Pocket|Steve the Pocket]] ([[User talk:Steve the Pocket|talk]]) 11:41, 8 August 2015 (PDT)
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:6. {{c|?|Abstain}} It seems a bit clunky and as someone said, might take a lot of work, but theoretically seems useful.
: Unless there's a particular space concern (there isn't), I see no need to degrade the quality of all the voice lines. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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:7. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} As H20verdrive said, probably an item-by-item basis (maybe a "limited run" at first for the articles that need it most?) is best.
:: Apparently there is a new concern: Apple has officially stopped supporting QuickTime in Windows, which means browsers have started blocking it as "insecure". We should definitely strive to make all features of the site accessible to people who prefer to use software that won't give them viruses. [[User:Steve the Pocket|Steve the Pocket]] ([[User talk:Steve the Pocket|talk]]) 16:03, 23 April 2016 (PDT)
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:8. {{c|+|Agree}} Looks cool; long infoboxes do need help, but I think it's most contingent upon all-class items.
 
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:9. {{c|-|Weak Disagree}} As all others said, this needs tweaking and removing Styles might be too radical, BUT the "arrange of buttons" might work.
== "Class speed table" update. ==
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:Overall, if I had to give a vote for the ''whole package'', {{c|+|Agree, with tweaking}}.--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 02:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 
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::Well, we got a lot of responses with this discussion, thank you everyone for reading and replying. I guess we could start making some of these proposed changes? Ones that got the most positive votes, while discarding ones that didn't get much positive reception. Perhaps let's talk what should be the best options according to your guys voting. I don't have time to actually write up new template codes and stuff at the moment, however some already have templates available for that (#7), and others should be a little more straightforward in changing (I would imagine that including the Shugo style icons for weapons be quite straightforward, if that would go through). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The class speed table, found on the "classes" page, needs to be updated for a formatting error (inconsistent italicizing) and to add the speed boost from the Booties under the demoman category. I'm not sure how to do that, so I'm putting this out here.
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:::Swood suggested me to make a table having total votes from everyone:
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Don't|Don't]]''' ([[User talk:Don't|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Don't|contribs]]) </small>
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{| class="wikitable"
: The template source is [[Template:Class_speed_table/Demoman|here]], and I don't know what italicizing problem you see. Try to add the booties change yourself, but if you get stuck, don't hesitate to ask. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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== Marketable Item listing ==
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On the item information tables we have each item listed on whether or not it is tradable and/or giftable. Why not add another listing for whether an item is marketable or not? A lot of older hats and some new ones cannot be put onto the market, while some can. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 18:20, 30 September 2015 (PDT)
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: I believe the rationale is that tradable/giftable is in the schema, so it's consistent. Marketable changes are server-side, and are much harder to track consistently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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:: No I'm not talking about adding the market listings, I'm saying if we should put on the infobox whether an item can be added to the market. Just because an item is tradable doesn't mean that it's also marketable. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 14:32, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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::: Ah, I was unaware that information was in the schema. If you're willing to add it; have at it. I can update the infobox if you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:40, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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| Suggestion 4 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''10''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''0'''
::: Edit: In fact, I think I'm right. There are only 12 items listed as "is_marketable". How do you propose to find out if an item is marketable or not? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:42, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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::::I'm going to search through the market for every cosmetic & rare item that has a listing and compile a list. Then once the infobox is updated I will update every page to have the information. I think there should be disclaimers for most of the items explaining that unique versions are not marketable though. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 12:11, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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| Suggestion 5 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''4''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''4''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''2'''
::::: Hmmm, what about [[qualities]]? (e.g. [[AWP]], the [[unique]] isn't marketable, however [[genuine]] and [[strange]] are.) — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 12:35, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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::::: Edit: Also, killstreak weapons are marketable. — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 12:36, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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| Suggestion 6 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''4''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}:  '''1''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''4'''
:::::: The '''whole reason''' that we didn't add things like craftable was because they were too dynamic. We don't have any way of knowing when valve updates the marketable items list, so we don't know how quickly the information will be out of date. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 12:47, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
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::::::: So no? This info can be useful sometime but If we can't update every time it can be a big problem (or not). — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 07:24, 18 October 2015 (PDT)
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| Suggestion 7 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''8''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''1'''
{{outdent|7}} Once again, it's a question of if misinformation is worse than no information at all. I'm of the opinion it is, that was the choice in the past (again, craftability), so yes, let's leave it out of the infobox. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 07:33, 18 October 2015 (PDT)
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== Scream Fortress question ==
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I know since Scream Fortress 2013 we use the year as complement, but in the [http://www.teamfortress.com/history.php website] is used roman numerals (IV, V, VI, VII). So, why we can't use? — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 14:18, 30 October 2015 (PDT)
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My own votings have been included too. I agree with all of the changes I proposed except "5)", which I only suggested since I already had some Style images laying around on my computer, ready to be uploaded if it were to be accepted. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
:Dunno. I think it's because the community calls the Halloween updates Scream Fortress even though the 2009, 2011, and 2012 updates were called something different, and only at 2013 did Valve started calling it Scream Fortress for all updates. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 08:32, 5 November 2015 (PST)
 
 
 
== Community Strategy Project ==
 
 
 
For a while, community strategy pages have been kinda neglected. Pages haven't been updated since Gun Mettle, and some pages have even been left redlinked for years. Now, I am introducing the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Community Strategy|Community Strategy Project]], a place for strategists, guide writers, and the likes to meet up and give the pages the attention they need. If you have good gameplay advice, tips and tricks, or like writing strategy guides, then this is the place for you. Feel free to stop by and help out if you wish. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 16:48, 7 November 2015 (PST)
 
 
 
== SO many 503 errors ==
 
 
 
I am getting 503 Errors '''every time''' I try to access a page on this wiki. I have to reload the page at least 4 times before I can finally access the page. Is this going to be fixed soon? --[[User:Joona|Joona]] ([[User talk:Joona|talk]]) 06:20, 26 January 2016 (PST)
 
 
 
:Most likely not as Mousse is having a lot on his plate IRL. I also want to point out that the interface for those who don't know wiki markup is gone. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:37, 26 January 2016 (PST)
 
 
 
== I'm the new Korea Translator. ==
 
 
 
Hello,guys :)
 
I'm the new Korea Translator.
 
So I am not good now...
 
''But I will try to translate for TF2 wiki.''
 
 
 
'''''Good Luck,Let's together'''''
 
  
P.S Thanks for all translator
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== Userbox, and creator page ==
Pancake 09:12, 29 February 2016 (PST)
 
  
== Competitive Matchmaking ==
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Hey! I have a question, how i add userbox and how i add some decoration to my page like evryone did ? [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  
The beta is now open in an [http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tfcompetitive official group], and more passes are being distributed. I think it's time we start making the pages. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:09, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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:For userboxes see [[Team Fortress Wiki:User info boxes]]. Otherwise, the rest of the decoration is up to you. You may be interested in {{tl|User infobox}}.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  
:A second note: If anyone has a Self Made item, or a Community item, Valve says you'll have automatic access to the Beta. As Beta Access is currently limited to only a few hundred people, anyone who can get on would be really helpful. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:21, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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::Thanks for the info box ! But how exactly i decorate my page ? Like how i use custom image or something like thats ? Did you have a page thats can help me to do this ?[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
::Servers are really crappy (in random places) and there's barely anyone in queue, what more do you want? I'm happy to take screenshots of me waiting in queue if you like. [[User:Darkid|<span style="a.new">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="a.link">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="a.visited">Contribs</span>]]) 10:14, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
::: Images from winners screen and point distribution (gold, silver, bronze medals) would be nice. — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 10:32, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
:::: I could also talk with some people who have the pass to get those images. Right now I just want to get a basic skeleton going. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 11:59, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
::::: Unless we can gather exactly 12 people with sparkleness, this will be very difficult.  I only have a crappy screenshot of loading but nothing on winners (cause they left) [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:00, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
:::::: Maybe we ould get B4nny to help. He was one of the first 60 to get a pass. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 12:19, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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:::[[Help:Images]] may help you with how to place images, for images to use, simply upload them using [[Special:Upload|the upload page]]. The correct format for images only used on your User page is "User Nonolemage [file name]", so for example "User Nonolemage profile picture.png" or "User Nonolemage scout loadout.jpg". When uploading them on the upload page, include <nowiki>[[Category:User images]]</nowiki> in the summary box. This should be done for every image you want to use on your User page.
  
I've just played one comp. game on stresstest. Here is screenshots for all that I've managed to snap: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/825002/TF2/tf2comp_stresstest2016-03-04.rar<br/>
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:::As for more complicated design, that is usually done using CSS and/or Javascript. I can't help you much with that.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Also, looks like comp. have unique loading screen. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 19:20, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
Ok, few more notes. Also, I've got a screenshot of main menu with 'Competitive (Stresstest!)' button.
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::::Thanks you a lot ! You realy helped me ! [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
* Spectating after death restricted to first person only; you can switch between team members, but can't go freeroam or look at map from camera points.
 
* Looks like there's no class restriction, at least for now: at some point our team had 4 Scouts, and we was steamrolled by 5 Soldiers.
 
* Ragdolls and gibs are forced on, no matter what you have in autoconfig. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 11:27, 4 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
{{notice|There is a stress test today. Check the official Competitive Matchmaking group for the times.}}
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== Civilian Image ==
  
--[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 08:43, 8 March 2016 (PST)
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Should we change the image of the [[Civilian]] ? Because it's the scout in A pose but the civilain got some real texture thats can be use and found [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 12:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== For Weapons page, should we add Beta/Unused weapons? ==
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:That is how the Civilian class looked when it was still available in TF2, [[Civilian (Classic)]] is the TFC version.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I wonder, should we add Unused/Beta weapons into the weapons list. In my opinion, some people would maybe want to learn more info of the unused weapons, like the Nail Gun. I already know the pages exist, but I feel that it confusing that they are hidden in the pages of the wiki...
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::Oh, but i play a mod of tf2 (tf2c) thats show a finished model of the civilain so maybe i can add a picture of it in the galery for show what it looked finished ? Or it's not important ?[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
[[User:MikeMan2332|MikeMan2332]] ([[User talk:MikeMan2332|talk]]) 14:36, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
 
  
:I will look into making a directed link to that page under scout.  If a moderator doesn't undo it, it would be safe to say you could add the other weapons' page and add a link to those weapons under the appropriate class. [[Image:Backpack Ze Goggles.png|40px]] || [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]] || [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 06:06, 16 November 2016 (PST)
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:::That's not an official version of it, that's fan-made. No Civilian model or textures has been made for TF2.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
  
::Hey, any updates about this "new" page, sorry for being late, is the page still up, or did the moderators undo it? Been gone for a long time, and I am sorry [[User:MikeMan2332|MikeMan2332]] ([[User talk:MikeMan2332|talk]]) 19:42, 7 January 2017 (PDT)
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== Weapon in user page ==
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:::I tried it, and it was undone.  Had a talk Ashes(?, don't remember exactly) but they said that there is a whole page and you can search for it (I don't remember what you are supposed to search for).  Paraphrasing, but yeah.  Personally, unless I knew about it, I wouldn't have known.  Brought this fact up, but didn't hear back.  The debate is in purgatory at the moment.  I would go onto the IRC channel and talk to the mods about it.[[Image:User Twolfe Signature.png|25px]]  ||  [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]]  ||  [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 05:38, 9 January 2017 (PST)
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Hey it's AGAIN me ! I see some people have a list of weapon they used for evry class but i don't know how to do this, can someone help me ? [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 07:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::: Heyo. The weapons page was generally designed to show official weapons that are currently in the game that are obtainable. Adding the Unused/beta weapons in the list would mislead users into thinking there is a way to obtain it. We already have a page under [[Unused Content]] which gives a whole list. Some trivia edits under the class page like [[Scout]] has a link to the Nailgun. The most we can do is add a link to the Unused Content in the "See Also" section but that's about it. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 05:48, 9 January 2017 (PST)
 
  
== Famous People Related to TF2 ==
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:Well, you could try learning how to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table wikitables], there are also templates like [[Template:Backpack item]] and [[Template:User weapon checklist]] you could use to this effect.<br><span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I'm very new to contributing to this wiki and I recently just joined. Can someone explain to me why there are no pages regarding famous TF2 players (such as Youtubers) or in general those important to either the community and the game? Is there a rule against pages about people? It seems silly that the Official TF2 Wiki doesn't even have a page on GabeN.
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== Allweapons Nav template ==
--[[ArguedOyster]] 14 April 2016
 
: This falls under the community website guidelines. We do not create pages of famous youtubers or even valve staff. The TF2 Wiki is here to document about TF2 itself. We also don't make pages for youtuber as it will be taken advantage of by others to advertise. We've had issues with the past with community TF2 websites abusing the Wiki for such a purpose and we'd rather not have that repeated again. So as it stands,
 
pages for Youtubers/Valve staff including "Gaben" are a no-no. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 19:14, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
 
  
== Merging tournament medals ==
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Hi! I've created two mockups as potential replacements for the current [[Template:Allweapons Nav|Allweapons Nav]] template. I'd like to get your opinion. You can check out the templates on [[User:Mgpt/Sandbox#Test|my sandbox user page]] ('''Nav 1''' and '''Nav 2'''). The "Secondary" label for "All classes" in '''Nav 2''' appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it. Thanks! [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 02:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I wanted to ask about merging tournament medals into one page, or at least "categorizing" them into league pages.
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:I don't really see what's wrong with the current one.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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:: Outdated/It's not a "real" nav like the others (Hat/Tool Nav). If someone else comments please compare both so you can see the differences [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 16:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Right now there are dozens of tournament medal pages, all are basically more or less copy-pasted. The information on every single one is identical. It seems very reasonable to me to merge them all into 1 page where one has a good overview without the need of cloned pages. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]]'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}''' 14:06, 25 April 2016 (PDT)
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:::I did compare both, but it doesn't exactly answer what's wrong with the current one. If people really wanted it changed I'd go for Nav 1, but I would still like to see stock and non-stock separated.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::There's already a nav for them on the weapon page and stock is always the first (they can be in italic, would that work?). I personally prefer Nav 2 because it is actually a nav (not a table) but also consistent with Hat and Tool Nav. Edit: About the availability strings, they shouldn't be there, especially because they're outdated and were added more than 10 years ago. Definitely not the purpose of the template. [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 20:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
::I second this. We could just generally describe tournament medals and have each league in their own particular image box, and sorted by season. [[User:Scoottehbesht|Scoottehbesht]] ([[User talk:Scoottehbesht|talk]]) 11:46, 21 January 2017 (PST)
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:::::I'd prefer for them to be separated regardless, if only in a little box above all of them or with a line separating them. Both the current one and both your versions are technically tables either way, I think a differently structured nav doesn't necessarily make it not a nav or somehow inferior.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== group infobox images ==
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{{outdent|5}} Personally, I prefer Nav 1. I like the structure of the current Weapon Nav the way it is, I just don't like the availability strings cluttering things up, and the taunts needlessly listing which weapons they're for. Nav 1 simplifies things in a way that's easier to read, certainly. I'd also be fine with Stock weapons being separated, perhaps with a "Stock" header and then a line break before the others.
  
I was thinking that if a cosmetic has more than 3 classes it can be equipped on, it should just have a single class in the infobox.<br>
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Incidentally, re: "the 'Secondary' label for 'All classes' in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it."
I reckon if you put 4 or more classes in the image, it shrinks it down way too much. What is everyone else's opinions on this? [[File:User Bojjob Userlink.png|link=User:Bojjob]] 07:53, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
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* That should be a "Melee" label, as you've probably realized by now.
:The visibility of certain details on a bigger image (because of more classes) depends on the size of the viewed item. It seems as this is already done for most items, there are only a few infobox images with more than 4 classes on it. I agree with your rule, better than the thumb rule we have now in my opinion. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] '''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}''' 08:00, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
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* It's looking off because the single list of weapons you've used isn't enough to fill out the space of the column. You'd need at least three lists to fill out the space that the "All Classes" column takes, so the single list you gave sits in the middle. [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, coz with the all-father, I reckon it should just be a single class since putting 6 classes together would make it a tiny image [[File:User Bojjob Userlink.png|link=User:Bojjob]] 08:03, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
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: I made some changes, thanks for the input [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 03:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== An idiot Erased my work ==
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:: Nav 1 seems almost set to me, I like the Normal quality grey indication, while still being separated by slot. My only slight nitpick now would be that I'd prefer if the non-stock weapons were organized by release order -- at the moment, reskins of stock are still at the top of the non-stock section, which doesn't make ''as much'' sense, now that we've agreed on separating stock into its own box. — [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 03:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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::: I initially added them randomly from the Weapons page, but I'll definitely reorganize them by release order :D I may scrap the all class section, the idea was not to repeat weapons, but we have the Shotgun, so... [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::: Updated the template [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Ve added the dead of Night and pass pin to the all class cosmetics list and some idiot has e rased that. I wAnna know way
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== About the 2023 leak ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Hat1|Hat1]]''' ([[User talk:Hat1|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hat1|contribs]]) </small>
 
:Read your talk page. <small>Also insulting me is not the nice way to talk with each other, right?</small> [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 06:18, 14 July 2016 (PDT)
 
  
== Removed Content Template ==
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Hello ! Im a translator of the unused content and i see on the social media a leak from 2023 of some map and iteam thats has been abandoned or unfinished. So i was thinking if i can work on it for make some page on the unused content section. (The leak is from a valve employer) [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Similar to the Beta Maps and Custom Map templates, there should be a template for content that has been removed from the game, such as the [[Saucers]], [[Mysterious Treasures]], and the recent removal of Quick Play.
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:As long as you source all of these changes and abide by the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Policies#Leaked content|leaked content policy]]. This leak was also not from a Valve employee, as far as I know.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]]''' ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Scaphandre|contribs]]) </small>
 
  
:I've finished and created a template that I think will do the job great: [[Template:Removed content]] --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 20:17, 28 July 2016 (PDT)
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::So if i understand, i donnt have the right to put any picture of anything if it's from a leak ? And by the way, how did the code for cited content from leak work ? And if it's not from a valve employer, from who it's from ? (Sorry for all my question and thanks for anwsering me ;-;) [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 16:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== Should we make a new page for Heavy vs Pyro event? ==
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:::Don't link to any places that host leaked content (so do not link to a Tweet containing a picture of a leaked model, or containing a link to a Google Drive with the leaked content, etc.), do not directly upload media of leaked content or copy-paste code, and do not link to or upload media of recreations of leaked content. All the information you put on the page should contain a reference to where you got it from (see the examples on the policy). It's likely someone with a Source engine license that leaked everything.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
The event has ended, and we still did not included information about it. Atleast something on Meet your Match page would be good.
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::::I understand, thanks a lot for your help again and i will do evrything you say ! [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 16:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Miomiowski|Miomiowski]]''' ([[User talk:Miomiowski|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Miomiowski|contribs]]) </small>
 
:Please don't start 2 discussions on the same topic and don't forget to sign your comments using 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 09:20, 27 August 2016 (PDT)
 
:: To answer your question: No. The event has ended yes, however there is very little information to warrant a page. We only create pages once official content has been added to the game and is confirmed ingame.
 
For the time being, if you wish to create a page, please do it on your user sub-page. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 11:03, 27 August 2016 (PDT)
 
  
:{{c|Disagree}} A page for it is not really necessary since it was so small. We didn't do a page for the Soldier vs Demoman war. Just write a quick summary paragraph on the MYM update page, just like what was done for the WAR! Update. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 11:06, 27 August 2016 (PDT)
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== [[Template:Community Medal Nav|Community Medal Nav]] (closed) ==
  
== Coverage of the Insomnia58 Team Fortress 2 Open (And a discussion on future TF2 tournament coverage) ==
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I feel a bit lost with the medal scheme and how it has been handled. Where exactly is this template supposed to be used? I know that {{tl|Hat Nav}} lists the same contents, which I recently updated. I think we should either use this one and remove the medal section from Hat Nav or just use Hat Nav, no? Thanks in advance [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 21:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  
So since Valve posted a blog entry on this and even sent off a system message about the tournament, we may need to talk about this. Problem is, I don't know if they're gonna do this for future TF2 tournaments. We may have to start making more competitive and tournament pages as Valve seems to be shifting focus to the eSports scene of TF2. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 22:49, 27 August 2016 (PDT)
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:With the ever-increasing MvM medals, we should remove it from the Hat Nav and keep this one. The Hat Nav will cause pages to be too large at some point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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:: Would adding an [https://i.imgur.com/XeBjHCT.png 'Other' section with two links] for Community and Tournament medals work then? With this approach, we also need to update the "[[Template:Competitive Nav|Competitive play]]" Nav. Also, both templates use images, is there a specific reason for that?
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:: Edit: They're also cosmetic items, so they should still be mentioned, in my opinion [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 21:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== Crossover games ==
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:::I would put the 2 links in the hat nav, then keep the medal nav separately. The comp nav can get rid of it imo, and just having a tournament medal link. I prefer having this separate one.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I've noticed that Team Fortress 2 has been getting a lot of crossover stuff in other games. First in 2013 we had the Meet the Medic mission in Surgeon Simulator, then in 2015 when I Am Bread came out it got a TF2 mission as well where you were a loaf of bread trying to get back to Heavy's Sandvich. And now recently the Early Access F2P Paladins has a character skin of the Engineer. However, we don't have any coverage of these games even though they have TF2 content in them while not necessarily having their content in TF2. The only game that does have coverage is Surgeon Simulator, and I have a feeling more games will arrive with crossover content for them. We should discuss how we should handle pages for other games because of this, and maybe make a nav template for them. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|30px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 16:19, 2 October 2016 (PDT)
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:::: I like the template, but it's too big. We don't need images for all the medals: they are exactly the same and this won't scale well if Valve ever allows new medals again (see comp nav). [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 00:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
:From what I have seen, the information is usually a small blurb. This then is put in the trivia section of the appropriate page. From my understanding of what you wrote, I don't think we need a full page of info for one sentence of material. [[Image:Backpack Ze Goggles.png|40px]]  || [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]]  ||  [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 06:01, 16 November 2016 (PST)
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::::: Disagree with "they're exactly the same," they're clearly, almost all of them, not ''exactly'' the same, but I know that my opinions about all this don't matter too much anyhow. I would be fine with listing the names of the medals instead, but then they'd all have the name of the operation over and over again, and it would be very clunky to look at. That's how it was in the promo nav to begin with, and that's what ''I'' wanted to change -- but then, that would require extra name strings that are just "Shimmering Souvenir", for example, and Swood already said that was too much. The images were my way of compromising on that, considering the Competitive nav already did that, but then ''that's'' wrong too, so whatever, I can't do any of this properly. [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 03:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== Custom Sets? ==
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:::::: They are all the same just with a unique hex paint the MVM ones have been reused over and over, there is no model difference between them other than the paint, If the medals were "different" they would have unique models to go alongside them, but back on subject, theres so many of these damn things it would be nice to be able to filter them out entirely. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Hello, I'm relatively new to the wiki and was wondering if custom pages (that were still TF2-related) could be created. By this, I mean pages such as a list of community-created/unofficial sets. I know the "Community Fads" page exists, which is why I'm asking. Thanks!
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By "exactly the same", I meant all the MvM medals that share the same model but have a different paint applied. An average user doesn't care if the medal is pink or green, they are way more interested in the model itself. The same applies to the comp nav: we don't have an icon for every season of each tournament, only for different models.<br>
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I personally don't see how extra strings are too much and I agree that the icons look way better than whatever is going on with the comp nav template. My point here is that this template currently is too big and has too much repetitive information to work as a navbox.<br>
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Also, I know that it is common for us to get attached to our creations (in this case, the template), but suggested changes to a template are usual business. Please don't take it personally, your opinions always matter. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 14:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
[[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM&#59; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good.]] ([[User talk:SkyTBM|talk]]) 13:35, 7 December 2016 (PST)
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:If I remember correctly, the "too many strings" were in reference to another nav, where I suggested removing them and replacing them with links to the operation page's rewards section. There were a few medals for each operation with a link to the same section each time. Having too many strings was in reference to the promo nav, not the one we're talking about.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:So, for example, do you mean creating pages for item sets currently only present in the Workshop? If yes, I don't think we're allowing those pages as their notability is extremely low and would allow the wiki to be flooded with such articles. You can still create those pages in your own user namespace (name scheme {{code|User:SkyTBM/<TitleHere>}}), of course.
 
:'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 13:50, 7 December 2016 (PST)
 
::I kind-of mean that. What I'm saying is not sets from the workshop, but just sets that people have created. For example "The Hoovy" is a commonly used one for friendly heavies, and it consists of the Sandvich, Holiday Punch and Tough Guy's Toque. Also, I have already created my own personal page ([[User:SkyTBM/sandbox]]) for this, if I cannot make it into a full page.
 
::[[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM&#59; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good.]] ([[User talk:SkyTBM|talk]]) 15:18, 7 December 2016 (PST)
 
:::Something unofficial, like a group of people using an item set, is perfect for your userpage. If it ever gains significant notability, it can go onto the [[Community fads]] page. [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 15:36, 7 December 2016 (PST)
 
  
== We hosting April Fools this year? ==
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:: So if it's suddenly not too much trouble to localize different name strings for use within this nav specifically, for reasons I won't pretend to understand, nor do I care to ask about further, I propose that if we absolutely must, we strip the pictures and the paint splats, and in the case of MVM operations, we have the link to the operation, and then within that category, plain-text names of just the medals, stripped of the operation name and years, when necessary. (That is, "Operation Galvanized Gauntlet Bejeweled Bounty 2023" becomes  "Bejeweled Bounty", and so on. Cleaner, easier to read, and you already get that it's supposed to be within that operation.
  
I know that it's 3 months early to be talking about this topic, but is an April Fools event going to be hosted this year? I'd love it if one is; because I've actually already prepared a draft of the patch notes that are open to the public [[User:SkyTBM/april1st2017sandbox|here]]. They're set for Open Review, the summary has said nothing but to edit them and help to expand, and I want this event to happen. [[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM&#59; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good.]] ([[User talk:SkyTBM|talk]]) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (PST)
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:: I ''would'' fight for the pictures, but it's clear that's not about to happen for me, and it's best for me to give it up and take the bullet, like I always have to. I'll believe that my opinions always matter when they start being correct ones to have. [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 14:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
: Hi. Keep in mind that a simple update page will not be enough, we would need real content. I have tried to revive this project since 2015 but I failed both times, sadly, last year we managed to get together and gather some interesting ideas, but we did not succeed because of lack of content. Anyway, if you want to see our ideas and the update notes from last year please click [[User:Tark/April|here]] and [[User:Tark/April/Notes|here]]. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 23:18, 5 January 2017 (PST)
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::: ThatHatGuy I'm not against your template creation but I searched a little more and its being used with {{tl|Hat Nav}} so we need to decide which one we gonna use, because currently, they have the same contents. Given the opinions above, I think a more neutral solution would be to move the Hat Nav contents to these two templates, so they stay similar to each other. [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 18:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I know Patch Notes won't be enough. Luckily, I wasn't planning for just patch notes. I have links on the page to content pages (such as weapons and taunts). Not created yet, but that's what I need help with. <span style="font-family:TF2 Build">[[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM]]</span> added the preceding potato comment. ([[User_Talk:SkyTBM|Talk more about potatoes]] | [[Special:Contributions/SkyTBM|Contribs]]) 17:40, 7 January 2017 (PST)
 
  
== Sometimes my edit bar has a seizure. ==
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:::: That didn't ''matter'' when some of those event pages, for '''years''', had both the Hat Nav and the Promo Nav on them. The Promo Nav, by definition, has the same stuff that's already on the Hat Nav. Community medals used to be listed individually on there too. Now all of a sudden, there's a ''new'' nav, that I made because Swood wanted to separate the Community Medals into their own page, and suddenly, that's something worthy of being dissected and put under a microscope.  
  
Here's what it looks like: https://youtu.be/ZlFXMp1MAAE
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:::: Fix it how you all want. I've said my piece about it, but clearly I don't know what I'm doing. — [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 00:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::: closed given the recent discussion [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 02:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Not a common occurrence, but definitely also not rare. [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2017 (PST)
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== Trivias without confirmations ==
  
:From what I have experienced, the "edit bar" automatically adjusts when it can't fit everything in in your current browsing window. I have come across this once before, if you make the window full screen / reload the page it should go away. If not, try closing your browser entirely, then open it back up again.  The program isn't perfect. [[Image:User Twolfe Signature.png|25px]] || [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]] ||  [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 10:08, 20 February 2017 (PST)
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Since recent policy change now requiring trivias to have linked confirmations from contributors, there are still many old items that have trivias based on speculations (especially items made by Valve which can't really be confirmed). What should be done with them? [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 09:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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:Leave them, we'd have to clear out pretty much most trivia sections otherwise. Unless you find proof of the contrary, just leave them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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::What about [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crafty_Hair#Trivia this one]? A promo item that directly references a game from said promotion, but trivia is about completly different character. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::I believe it's a invalid trivia, though changing the name of character and game would be better compare to completely remove the trivia [[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::"It is based on one of the male soldiers' hairstyles in the video game UFO: Enemy Unknown" in the first paragraph. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah my bad, mention it 2 times is kind of surplus just remove it. [[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 09:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
::Oh. I often switch between a 1920x1080 monitor and a 1366x768 one. That must be it. Thanks! [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 11:05, 20 February 2017 (PST)
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::::::Promo items should have their reference stated in the intro, not Trivia. Feel free to remove, it is possible that the Crafty Hair is modelled after hair that is modelled after said character.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== Sometimes my wiki layout messes up. ==
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== Reports/Missing template translations reporting erroneous data ==
  
Unlike the edit bar seizure, this one has only been happening recently, and doesn't seem to be limited to one monitor resolution.
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It seems like a very [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/Untranslated_templates/fr|handy feature]] (as handy as the entire reports page), and oddly enough, it seems to report the same thing for all languages (34 templates), and according to the quick look I did, none of them report missing translations?<br>
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I don't know who would be able to fix this, if it's even broken to begin with, maybe [[User:Darkid|Darkid]]?<br>
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Do note that I didn't touch template translating very much in my time here, I looked up the line numbers using Notepad++. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  
Usually it looks like this: [https://s27.postimg.org/6wagw4lkj/layout_1.png]
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:For the [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Overheal_tool first result] it looks like fr is not declared in the {{Translation switching| line which probably leads to it showing up in that report. I'm going to guess it's the same for all the other ones. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Rarely, it changes to this, often when I refresh the page, get an error, and refresh again.  
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::I can take a look, thanks for the ping. [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
[https://s28.postimg.org/q6ub5uru5/layout_2.png]
 
  
What is this? <small>''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Anyar|Anyar]]''' ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contribs]]) </small>
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:::Damn, that was as quick as Dustbowl backcap, I sort of expected the "declare thing", but I doubt each of the members would forget to put it in, if that's the issue.
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:::I would also expect hundreds of entries with varying results for every lang, not 34. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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::::Hmm, looks like I might've screwed up when I changed the regex on Feb 1st (or at least, page history shows a major diff there). Fixing that now, should be corrected tomorrow. [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::+622,418 bytes coming through, seems about right! Looks like it's working again, thanks Darkid. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  
:The wiki is currently experiencing some internal errors, which is why the formatting breaks. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|40px|link=]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><big>'''WkPn'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 05:54, 21 February 2017 (PST)
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== A technical request for "Used by" template ==
  
::Not just me then? Yeah, this happens after the page saying there's internal errors. [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 06:05, 21 February 2017 (PST)
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"Localized versions of this template are not necessary." Well, they actually are needed, due to inflection of words in some languages. For Polish, "<nowiki>{{Used by|all}}</nowiki>" and "<nowiki>{{Used by|Soldier|etc.}}</nowiki>" sound fine, but "<nowiki>{{Used by|all-except|</nowiki>" needs translation switching, as it sounds very bad when names of classes are not inflected. I don't know about other languages, but some may require it too. For Polish, here's how it should look to be grammatically correct (only for "<nowiki>{{Used by|all-except|</nowiki>"):
:::This encounters fairly regularly since Valve is neglecting the tf wiki and its servers. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 06:12, 21 February 2017 (PST)
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:Scout = Skauta
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:Soldier = Żołnierza
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:Pyro = Pyro
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:Demoman = Demomana
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:Heavy = Grubego
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:Enginner = Inżyniera
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:Medic = Medyka
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:Sniper = Snajpera
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:Spy = Szpiega
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[[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  
==Romanian translators anyone?==
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:These requests should really be on the template's talk page instead.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
<b>Are there any romanian translators out there that are still active and willing to give me a hand?</b>I mean, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there seems to be a lack of my kind around these parts... -- [[User:Je love prajitura :D|Je love prajitura :D]] ([[User talk:Je love prajitura :D|talk]]) 09:58, 20 March 2017 (PDT)
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::Thanks. I've moved it there. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:Hello. A lot of languages are lacking translators. We'd be much obliged if you contribute to the Romanian section or recruit more translators. There's no active Romanian translator despite you currently. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 10:22, 20 March 2017 (PDT)
 
  
== Where do people get the class images from? ==
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== Where can I interact with the community? ==
  
For each cosmetic's article, the gallery contains images for each of the 9 classes, all wearing the cosmetic. Where did they get that image from? Or, how did they make it? ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 13:33, 16 April 2017 (PDT)
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Is there a discord or something to interact with the community? Thank You.
:Those images are usually created with HLMV, please see [[Help:Model Viewer]] for more information. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|40px|link=]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><big>'''WkPn'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 14:00, 16 April 2017 (PDT)
 
::Oh, thanks. I didn't manage to check for your reply, sorry for late response. ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 16:16, 21 April 2017 (PDT)
 
  
== What is A TF2 Community? ==
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[[User:QS Quark|QS Quark]] ([[User talk:QS Quark|talk]]) 13:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
  
Hello, I am New to this group And I think i have all my solutions to TF2 Here, But for Now I just wanted to ask What is A TF2 Community How can i join one? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Trump|Trump]]''' ([[User talk:Trump|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Trump|contribs]]) </small>
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:You can join the [[IRC]] if you want. There is no Discord (and we also won't make one).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 13:59, 23 March 2024


Dark Mode

I don't think I even need to explain this. Wikipedia itself has it, so do other wikis. I do have a browser extension for dark mode, and optimally a dark theme for TFwiki should still keep muted earthy orangish tones and such, but at this point with my eye strain I'd take anything. It would encourage more dedicated editing streaks, perhaps, since many of us are night owls too.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 03:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Easier said than done, it's being worked on but we can't promise anything.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Valve Store

The official Store has been closed down for months now by Valve, and there's no reasonable smidgeon of proof to believe it's coming back any time soon. The Wiki, in many articles, links directly to the Store still, or mentions it, but even tooltips for certain hats will just say they're "not available". This is kind of awkward, and makes the average user waste a click (the horror, I know). And even I get a false hope sometimes that it changed, but it's Valve after all. Should something be done about this, and how? Can there be an automatic disclaimer the Store is gone? Should links be removed? Just let the dead ends sit forever?--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 02:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Try to find an archive.org version of it, otherwise just add a tooltip saying it's not available anymore due to store shutdown.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Painted variants with both Styles and separate Classes images, a design proposal

Hi. So, I have several mockups of things to suggest which I'll be writing it up eventually. For now, I was making changes to the Robot Chicken Hat page, and was thinking about adding class variants to the paint gallery, as each class changes the hat's design a little (taller combs, different beak designs, etc.). However, if I were to make those paint variants per class, the current way we put styles and classes to the table looks... off, to say the least. At the moment, if I were to make it consistent with the rest of the Wiki, it would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL. But, instead, I thought about this mock-up: https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK. Not only this looks more visually appealing, but it also takes a lot less space. The only problem that it may be confusing for cosmetics that separate styles by a group of classes (Cotton Head, Brotherhood of Arms, etc.). So... I thought about just making the class buttons that aren't active a little darker (same thing with the Style name): https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT. Here's another example with the Cotton Head: https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG. Mouse-hovering the class icons could also show their class names ("Pyro, Medic, Spy" and "Other classes" in the case of Cotton Head) Thoughts? Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I like this proposal, although I think it's not necessary for every page. Only for the ones where the tabs become too much.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Inconsistency regarding items with one team color, but shows team-colored parts of a player model

Hello. So, when I started adding tabs to the paint variants, and just browsing the Wiki as a whole, I noticed that a couple pages are inconsistent in regards to the unpainted variants. In almost every case of cosmetics that use part of the player model, but only has 1 skin (not team-colored), the team-colors syntax isn't added to the tab, and we only have the UNPAINTED version on the paint variants table (example includes the Soldier's Stash, Horrible Horns on Spy, and much more), but some other pages still shows the BLU variant of a player model despite the item only having one skin (Texas Half-Pants, Millennial Mercenary's Streaming 2Fort style, Exquisite Rack, Battle Bob's With Helmet style, Bacteria Blocker's Headphones style, etc).

Some other pages also includes two identical RED and BLU images for the infobox, just because the item has two materials per team, but still uses the same exact texture and values (basically two identical .vmt files). I don't remember what pages has it now, but there are some pages that has that. I did that on Decorated Veteran since I've heard about doing that in the past before: "even if they look identical, put in two separate uploads". There's also no current way to just show one skin on the infobox (however that's something I'm looking to suggest soon enough on my mega infobox improvements topic).

Because we use the infobox, as well the RED and BLU parts of the paint variants table to show the different Skin Colors of the ITEM, I would say to actually cleaning it up these inconsistencies. So, for instance, on Texas Half-Pants, there wouldn't RED and BLU images for each style, because they look identical on either team, and, there's only two skins on the model (one for the Tan style, the other for the Midnight style [older cosmetics used a different way in handling styles, as opposed to separate models, many old cosmetics would use different skins for styles, and the Item Schema would redirect what skins to use depending on the style chosen]). The colors change on the images right now, because it's the colors of Engi's default pants, but not the actual item model changing colors. Meaning that, the RED / BLU on the infobox would be removed, the BLU_... images would be deleted, and the RED_ images would be moved to the _UNPAINTED.png suffix instead.

Some may argue that, since the team-colored paint can image previews also change the pants colors, that these should stay in, but, I don't agree. These are to show the item's team-colors being affected (both the UNPAINTED versions and the team-colored paint cans), not the player model's team-colors, but let me know what do you think.

Items that have 0 changes on team-colors despite having them (same exact .vmt values), I'd also say to get rid of it, as they provide no real information for the reader other than perhaps modders, so they don't need to go all the way of decompiling models to add team-color support, for instance. Some require close inspection however. The Mann-Bird of Aberdeen looks like to be the case, but the green area is just slightly brighter on BLU. I'd still keep the same colors for Styles and classes (like Team Captain for Heavy), until a more fully-fledged infobox edit comes along the way that adds support to just 1 skin on the infobox (like this: https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0). I will still point out many of these on my eventual discussion of infobox changes in another topic. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I would support every page having both team colours.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Articles for individual environmental hazards

Some of the older environmental hazards have their own articles. Specifically, they are: Ghost, Pumpkin bomb, Saw blade, and Train.

These are some fairly simple hazards: ghost goes "boo", pumpkin bomb goes "boom", blade goes "bzzt", and train goes "[Train horn noises]". They all have fairly short articles, and are also covered in the Environmental death article.

I propose we change these four into redirects to the Environmental death article, similar to Pitfall.

As for their Update histories, I have three ideas:

  • Add the section to the Environmental death article and carry them over.
  • Create a separate page for that (similar to the Item timeline pages).
  • Ignore them (essentially already the case for all the hazards that don't have their own articles).

I am ok with Skeletons and the Halloween bosses having their own articles, however, as they are more elaborate (which is noticeable by simply comparing article sizes).

Opinions? - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I think some of these pages can add value, such as the specifics in the hazard infobox. I'd push for more articles rather than less, similar to List of game modes, where each hazard has its own page as well as a short description on the overall page. I would prefer this because it would cut down on the clutter on the Environmental death page, for example the pumpkin bomb section is 5 identical hazards that are just reskinned. It would be better to have this in a gallery on its own page, rather than several entries on that page.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
I believe it is better to keep the pages separate, as putting them all together in one could generate a lot of visual clutter, in addition to having a lot of information for the reader to consume at once. Furthermore, it would be complicated to gather all the update histories on the articles. Essentially, we would be taking separate articles and combining them into one big article, where each section (divided by == Section title ==) would be a "complete" article.
Tiagoquix (talk) 18:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A request

In Polish language we don't capitalise most words like in English language and the way quality items have their quality displayed looks like this: Rocket launcher (vintage). The problem is that in Template:Mann-Conomy Nav Vintage quality in Polish and Russian is not capitalised and looks weird in the template where everything is capitalised except this one word. Is it possible to add a new entry in the dictionary for this template only, where 'Vintage' is capitalised for these languages? In Polish it's even more confusing, because Classic and Vintage share the same translation, so it could be shown in the tempalte as 'Vintage quality' (Jakość klasyczna in Polish). User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

If it's the very first letter that needs to be capitalised, you can use {{ucfirst:<string>}} to turn the first letter into a capital. For example, {{ucfirst:hello world}} generates Hello world.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Could you help me with this? I've changed it in Template:Mann-Conomy Nav but doesn't seem to capitalise the first letter. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, yeah seems like the automatic translation templates automatically uncapitalise it. If you really wanted to implement this you'd have to use the {{lang}} template instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
I already did it once and... User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps leave a hidden comment and use {{lang incomplete}}?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I've coppied how it looked oryginally but now it shows as red link 'VintageVintage'. Could you look what's wrong with this edit? Except equals sign. I've fixed it later. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 13:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Looks like you forgot to add a vertical bar, which made the link [[VintageVintage]].
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Mann Manor/Mountain Lab's history

I feel maps that we know more detailed information on the history of we should actually have written down so it isn't forgotten, such as for example, Mann Manor/Mountain Lab being an art contest was not the original plan in fact the maps used to have textures before but, that's just what I think. The American Boot (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you think this fact is worth and most player don't know, you can try adding it to Trivia section. Here is a more detailed Trivia guild.Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 05:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure where this Trivia came from or if there is any source for. The Art Pass Contest page states that Robin Walker said they had a map that hadn't been worked on for a while and they didn't have time to do an art pass on it (which means the map just had dev textures).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Weapon articles mentioning taunts that aren't kill taunts

I've noticed a few articles for weapons mentioning that those weapons have a unique taunt that is not a kill taunt, or a variation of the default weapon for that slot (which is still not a kill taunt). These are the Lollichop, which mentions it has a unique taunt based on a scene from Meet the Pyro, and the Third Degree and Neon Annihilator, which mention the added guitar sounds, respectively. In comparison, the Cow Mangler 5000, Scottish Resistance, and Ullapool Caber, which also have unique taunts, do not mention them since they're not kill taunts, and the Vita-Saw, which has has a variation of the default taunt, does not mention said variation.

I think we should remove these notes from the Lollichop, Third Degree, and Neon Annihilator, as they are already all noted in the Pyro taunts page.

Speaking of the Pyro taunts page, I think we can move the "as in Meet the Pyro" comment from the Lollichop's description to a new Trivia section and add that Execution is also based in a Meet the Pyro scene (which is not mentioned). - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I think variants on an existing taunt should be mentioned, such as different sounds (such as the Third Degree/Neon Annihilator adding guitar sounds and the Vita-Saw having different melodies being played), but the non-kill taunt shouldn't be mentioned (no note about the Lollichop taunt. Although seeing as it's unique to that weapon, I think the Trivia can stay).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Main menu Smissmas 2023 header localization

'Smissmas 2023' is localized but 'December 7 - January 7' is not. Is it possible to localize it too? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See Dictionary common strings.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Link of the wiki team fortress energie drink don't work

[[1]] you see this page on the wiki contain a team fortress wiki energie drink with a link for have it but it don't work and is not secure, can someone help me ? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nonolemage (talk) • (contribs) 2023-12-21, 13:46 UTC

Please sign your messages using ~~~~.
The website appears to be down and no archive of it exists, so unless someone here happens to have a copy we can't do much.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Suggestions related to Infobox, etc

Hi. I have been wanting to write this in the past, but, well, finally here it is. I have a couple suggestions about things related to infobox, and other things to make the design of the Wiki flow better on certain articles. I will be posting here as it covers a multitude of topics, as opposed to posting each one of them on their respective templates. When adding "Support" and "Not Support" on your responses, please make sure to add the number (and letter) behind to specify what you are supporting (or not supporting) as a change (like: "1-c"). With that said, let's get going:


1) Implement a way on the Item infobox template where if a style or class has only one team-color compared to other styles with team-colors, include an icon in the middle of both teams. For instance:

a) The Heavy variant of the Team Captain only has one color, but the page right now includes a duplicate of the RED variant as a workaround. What I suggest is doing this: https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z. Make the Heavy variant only one file, and center it. It should be pretty clear that because of the image is in the middle, is that it looks like that on both teams.

b) For items with styles that only has one color (not team-colored), do the same thing as well. In the example of Close Quarters Cover, include the "Alert" style on the infobox in the middle of the "RED" and "BLU" sections of the infobox, something like this: https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME.

c) For items that are not team-colored, but have class-specific variants, include a new part colored in grey called "Both Teams", and include each image on the middle as well. For example, the Dead Little Buddy have 3 model variants, one for Pyro, one for Demoman, and the other for the remaining classes. The idea is this: https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO.

d) Although I do not have a mock-up right now, I thought of also doing the same as above for items that has only one color. So, for instance, the Jumper's Jeepcap would have a "Both Teams" section, and it would include the "UNPAINTED" variant on the center. Items with styles with just one color, like Mustachioed Mann, would be similar to Dead Little Buddy, including each style on the infobox, alongside their names. Items like Carl that has no styles, but is neutral-colored, would also have the "Both Teams" part.


2) Get rid of the current "2D" images of Weapons, and use "Item icons" instead. The 2D weapon images are not consistent throughout the Wiki. They have different lighting, different angles, and so on. What I suggest is doing something similar to another Wiki I also contributed (one related to a TF2 sourcemod): https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP. This looks extremely clean, and every page would have in this angle. The 2D image only includes the RED variant, just like we use RED classes on our cosmetic previews.


3) Add the "RED" and "BLU" sections on the infobox for Weapon pages, even if the 3D image allows you to switch between teams. Right now, the RED variant is used as the 2D image (for team-colored weapons), while the 2D BLU variant awkwardly sits on the Gallery section. My suggestion would be this: https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo


4) For cosmetic pages that has styles alongside class changes on the Painted Variants table, include additional buttons that include class icons. The idea is to remove clutter on pages with a lot of tabs to choose from (see this page). In technical terms, the style buttons would be responsible to change the "style" part of the filename, while the class buttons would change the class part of the filename. If the first class is chosen, then the code needs to get rid of the class part of the filename, as the first class is always the default: https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK

a) Additionally, text could be placed on each row, one for "Style:", and the other for "Class:" for the second row, just so it's a little more intuitive and understandable for everyone.


5) Include "infobox images" for separate styles, and add buttons that let you change it. The idea is to include identical images (with identical classes and facial flexing), with the only thing changing the model. For example, Main Cast would look like this: https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs.


6) Include more sections on the Gallery for items with more than one Style. In the past, the Robot Chicken Hat page did include all 9 classes on the Gallery section, with 2 separate sections, one with the "Beak" style, and the other with "Beakless" style. It would follow the same rule as "5)", with both images looking identical facial-flex and pose-wise. Some pages like Dead of Night wouldn't include all classes on each section. Classes with lack of grenades wouldn't be there.

Edit: Some users asked for an example, so, when I talked about the Robot Chicken Hat, it originally looked like this. The images don't exist anymore, but you can still see how it looked like. When I wrote the suggestion, I thought something about that (though it could have been changed a little, like include an "Other" title for the remaining images that aren't related to the class images), but, after Swood's suggestion, I'd say that using Tabs would be more ideal, something akin to how we do on the Tournament Medal pages.

I did an example on my 2nd Sandbox page. I thought something about this: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538 (note that a couple images, namely the infobox team-colors, and paint cans, does not show up properly due to the page's name being different, if this were to be pasted onto the actual page, it would show just as fine). I decided to not make the Tabs centered as regular cosmetic pages are usually not centered, unlike Tournament Medals / Community Medal ones. I also decided to make the gallery width "485px", so it shows 3 images per row, and looks pretty nice and cool with whatever's below that does not require a Tabs section.


7) Lastly. Items that include noticeable team-color differences could also get "Single Color" paint can previews on both teams, even if the paint look identical on the area that is paintable. When Paints were first introduced, they were mostly applied to cosmetics that used the same texture on either team. Now, nowadays, we have cosmetics that include team-colored parts that are not paintable, alongside other parts that are. So, for instance, Brawling Buccaneer would have its Painted variants table from {{Painted variants}} to {{Painted variants full}}, and single color paint can previews for the BLU team would be made, to show how the paint looks like, and despite being painted in the same area, the rest of the item is in another color. Readers might want to know how an item looks on the BLU team. This would take a long time too make for the entirety of the Wiki, and would be a project that would require remaking some paint variants if they do not have Rotation values saved, or if there's another issue that doesn't make them 1:1, but I think it would look good, and useful as well.


8) For items that has several styles / classes on the infobox (such as Manndatory Attire, Beaten and Bruised and Boarder's Beanie‎), make the Infobox template show less of them by default, and include a button with a caption "↓ Show remaining ↓". If possible, make the last one have a "fade" effect, so it's perfectly clear what the button is about. My idea was to include at least 10 of these sections, then fade (because if it reaches 10 of these, it means there's more than one Style per class, where other pages would include 9 of these per class, though, it could be shortened if needed, but personally I would go with 10 sections before the button and fade shows up). It would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6


Edit: 9) Regarding the Styles section. If we include Styles on the infobox, even for items that look the same on either team, is it really necessary to include the "Styles" section on the page, alongside the table, if everything would be on the Infobox? It seems redundant to keep both of them, but, I'd only get rid of the Styles section after everything is added to the infobox, including the single-color Styles on it. Additionally, certain pages that has Styles that change between classes are a little confusing at the moment. Manndatory Attire has only Scout's styles being demonstrated on the table, despite each class changing the visuals.

a) Originally I was going to suggest a class-switcher button, similar to the "4)", but, if "1)" is implemented, I don't see any reason to keep the Styles section. Please let me know if you think there should be either: "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table" or "Getting rid of the Styles section entirely as it would be redundant with all the styles on the infobox once the "1)" suggestion is implemented.

b) The only problem that getting rid of the Styles section would be problematic for items that has barely any difference unpainted, but has more notable differences when paintable. Items like Onimann mostly change its visuals when painted between styles, and if there's no section for it. However, the painted variants table, alongside the main summary on the top of the page, would both visually show the difference, as well would explain in text what each style does in terms of paint.


Please let me know your thoughts below. Notice that I'm not sure if I would be able to implement some of these suggestions, specially the ones for the "Item infobox" template. If there's enough support, I'd appreciate anyone who could implement suggested changes / additions. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

1. I think that section should be dedicated to showing off the team colours rather than different styles for different classes. If a cosmetic looks different on different classes I would prefer a different box for it similar to the "Styles" section.
2/3. That's fine by me, though I would also want to add a second button to it for the BLU variant rather than stuffing it in the Gallery.
4/5. I like this.
6. I like this, although I would suggest we use the {{Tabs}} template for it.
7. I like this too, but it would require a ton of work and I'm not sure we'd be able to make it through.
8. I'm not sure that I'm a fan of collapsing a bunch of them. I would prefer having them sorted by class instead similar to {{Tabs}}.
9. See answer on 1.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram plus.png Agree - All of these changes look very nice, I don't have anything to say about them.
2 / 3 Pictogram question.png Not sure / changes - Would the change to using weapon icons include BLU weapon icons as well? If it does, I would rather have the 2D BLU image in the main infobox when you click on BLU and then switch to the 2D image instead of it being below the main image.
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree - This also looks nice.
5 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - I don't know how I feel about this, I feel like the painted variants sorta already accomplish the goal of knowing what the cosmetic would look like with the different styles. It would also take a lot of work to recreate a lot of infobox images just for this.
6 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - I have the same thoughts about this as 5, it would take a lot of work to redo a bunch of galleries when the styes / painted variants section already get the job done.
7 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - This would look nice, however it would again take a lot of work to get done.
8 Pictogram plus.png Agree / changes - I like the idea, though I agree with what Swood said with that it would look better if it was just in tabs instead.
9 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I sort of agree with the idea of removing the styles section, but I also do like how there's a sort of simplified section for seeing all of the styles instead of it only being part of the infobox and painted variants.
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Speech typing.png Photo Badge Decal Example.png 03:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - Same reason with Swood, I think the style section should do the job.
2 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Good idea!
3 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - Instead of taking space in infobox, Why don't we use the same button used on 3D images?
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Yes.
5 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Looks nice, but considered what Andrew says we might not getting those done in recent.
6 Pictogram plus.png Agree - We are gonna do a lot of work then I guess.
7 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Same with Andrew360
8 Pictogram question.png Not sure - Looks good, though yeah, why not use {{Tabs}}?
9 Pictogram question.png Disagree.. or Sorta Agree - If I have to choose one from infobox and style section, I would take style section. In my opinion the infoboxs shouldn't be too long and contain too much information, comparing to a small space on the right side of the page, I think the style section can display the information better. If 8 gets passed then I'm fine with it too. (I just don't want to see infobox gets longer than the page itself.)
Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 06:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - Eh, doesn't matter to me either way.
2 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I wanna see how it would look first.
3 Pictogram plus.png Agree - I was kinda the one to start the whole "shoving the blue variant in the gallery" and have always wondered why there wasn't a color toggle for the 2D variants.
4 Pictogram plus.png Strongly agree - I wish it was like this since the beginning!
5 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I like the idea, but it will take a lot of work updating all the pages and such with the change.
6 Pictogram question.png Not sure - Same answer as 5.
7 Pictogram plus.png Agree - I'm only saying yes because we'll only have to edit the templates which are used across all translation pages.
8 Pictogram minus.png Somewhat disagree - There aren't very many items that have loads of different styles like this, I think I'd wait until we get something like a shirt or coat that includes a load of different styles (with team variants).
9 Pictogram minus.png Strongly disagree - Yeah it is necessary to have a styles section, because they mostly show examples of what they look like on the character wearing it. I know that the infobox has styles too, but they're only the raw models.
ShadowMan44 (talk) 01:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
So, after some user's responses, I'd like to mention a couple things. In regards to most of "2)" and "3)" responses, here's something I didn't mention. There would be a slight problem for items that are not team-colored if we just implemented a RED and BLU image switcher. The idea of using "Item icons" with the RED variant / neutral-color variant, would that it would make everything consistent and nice looking, While "RED" and "BLU" 2D images are usually very consistent too, the current "2D" images used on weapon pages are all over the place. Using the "Item icon" in conjunction with the RED and BLU team-colors means we could use already existing images on the Wiki, too. Not that I would have a problem if new images had to be created for the Neutral-Colored weapons, but, I still think that using the Item icons would highly benefit here, since how nice they look on weapons.
However, if we go with a RED and BLU switcher, what we could perhaps do is team-colored Item icons, yeah that would be awesome. Not only that, but we also have Item icons for Australiums, and, I even made Australium Festivized icons for TF2B a while ago, that is only used there and not on the Wiki, at the moment.
GrampaSwood 6) Yeah, I didn't think of this, but using Tabs on the Gallery would be pretty good, something we already do in Tournament Medal pages, actually.
GrampaSwood, Andrew360, Profiteer 7) While I can't promise I will be on the Wiki forever, and, with my statement on my userpage being correct (that I won't be as active in 2024), making BLU team-colored variants on "Standalone" models is a faster process than when making when loaded as a "weapon" (e.g.: Cosmetic loaded on a player model). The reason I did all the Boarder's Beanie paint variants is solely because it's a standalone model, I was able to generate the paint variants very quickly (and in high quality and proper colors). I can still do every single style and class on BLU as well, for the Single Color paint variants, for the Beanies, I just haven't done since we are still discussing this.
My Laptop is currently not being used. I have thought of the idea of making an HLMV machine, and letting paint variants being made while I do other things. This is something I thought about in the past, but I would require another monitor (which I can buy, no problem), but I also would need time, something I will not have that much starting 2024. However, I'm also in the point where I feel like I have contributed quite a lot for the Wiki already, so I'm kinda conflicted if I should really do this or not. I would only require to re-install Windows, re-configure HLMV (which can be painful), and things like that, before I can make it an idle HLMV machine that makes paint variants.
ShadowMan44 7) Correct, currently, the "Painted variants full" template states that mouse-hovered "Single colors" states that "due to how the cosmetic's textures are set up, it changes colors between teams". This would require to be changed appropriately, somehow, though I don't think that yet another Painted variants template should be made. It should be possible to just add a parameter of some sort.
Gabrielwoj, Andrew360 5) Despite me suggesting this, I was also not too sure about it, but I decided to post it as a matter of discussion. In most cases, Styles just change the look of an item, without changing the placement of the model, or the model itself. In some other cases, however, it does change something Liquor Locker, Pocket-Medes, etc. While it would be an interesting idea, and I do have a couple cosmetics with all styles made already, most of the rest would require to be remade. This could also be a little difficult for regular HLMV users, as refreshing the model viewer gets rid of the facial flex entirely, but not on HLMV++. While you can unload and load submodels without having to refresh, HLMV does read from "$color2" instead of "$colortint_base", which means if someone forgets about that on an older cosmetic, they'd need to refresh after fixing it from the .vmt.
Profiteer 9) That's a good point. I guess if the Styles section was more populated (actually shows differences between classes), then I suppose that items like Manndatory Attire and Boarder's Beanie wouldn't require that huge amount of styles being shown on the table. But then, there's another problem. Items already show their unpainted RED and BLU variants on the infobox, and how exactly could we categorize "exceptions" to be only on the Styles section if we follow your idea?
ShadowMan44 9) I'm not quite sure if I understood what you said. The styles table on both the Style section and infobox use the same exact images, same files, with some exceptions like the Dead of Night and Pocket-Medes. This is why I mentioned it being redundant, because in most cases, both sections use the same images. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
So Tekinz and Mgpt talked with me via Steam and Discord DMs, and I'd like to post their opinions on this. Tekinz asked me to post on my behalf, explaining what he told me instead of directly quoting him, while mgpt allowed me to directly translate what he told me. With that said, here's what they had to say:
Tekinz: He told me that he agrees with most of my proposed update and changes, while pin-pointing some specific numbers with further explanation. He adds that for "7)", it would be a huge amount of work, and we would need quite a few active image creators to be able to achieve it in a timely manner, but otherwise it would be a general improvement to the pages. On "8)", he adds that he has no real problems with and thinks it's pretty good, mentioning that if combined with "1)", it would look great. On "9)", he mentioned that it's probably a good idea considering how the Styles section is located pretty far on the page and that it would probably be better to have them focused to the infobox since it's much closer to the top, alongside the rest of relevant images. He further adds that the Styles section always seemed not as important since it was too close to the Trivia and Patch Notes, while also being beneath the huge Painted Variants table that overshadows it.
mgpt:
Pictogram plus.png Agree 1. Everything looks okay to me, if it's easy to implement;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 2. I did take a look on some weapons, and I agree in using "Item icons";
Pictogram plus.png Agree 3. I saw the comments, and Andrew360's idea, and I agree, it has my vote;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 4. You got my vote, very good;
Pictogram minus.png Disagree 5. I agree with Andrew360 and Profiteer, I don't think that it's worth the work, considering there's already images below on the infobox, alongside the painted variants;
Pictogram info.png Info 6. It ends up being the same as "5)", however, I'd like to see an example how it would look like;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 7. I'm not sure if I noticed completely, but would that be switching the template from "Painted variants" to "Painted variants full" In several cosmetics, like how it was done in Brigade Helm? If so, I don't see a problem;
Pictogram info.png Info 7. An idea to the template. Wouldn't it look better if it was something like this, with 2 buttons? https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C Or is it being done currently like it's on the page so it's possible to compare both teams at the same time? Probably that;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 8. I like the idea, however, the information still continue to be too deep on the page, wouldn't be better to only show 4 or 5, instead of 9?;
Pictogram info.png Info 9. a) "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table". In the example of Beaten and Bruised, the images wouldn't be anymore on the infobox, correct?;
Pictogram info.png Info I like "8)"'s idea, but if "9)" is applied, then number "8)" is discarded. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I also replied to mgpt regarding some of his questions, so I had the following to say:
7) On number "7)", it would be including previews like how it's done on "Single Color" paint cans on the BLU team, even if when they are applied on the same area, the paint color looks identical to the RED team. Currently, we only use "Painted variants full" in cases of items that has different colorization between teams, such as the case of Stout Shako;
7. a) I liked the idea of including RED and BLU on the top, it would be very intuitive. Post-thoughts: After re-reading his thoughts on this one, I saw that the original idea would be buttons, while I first thought they were simply two sections that would separate the teams more properly, visually. I thought if maybe that by doing so, we could include a faint red and a faint blue background to separate them both, and make the template a little more nice to look at, as currently there's a bunch of paint variants all included in one table.
8) In regards to the default quantity, it would still be discussed, but the main idea would be something that could be expanded to show the remaining. I finished the Boarder's Beanie images, and the infobox ended up being very lengthy. The table for Painted variants will probably change if "4)" is implemented.
9) The images would still stay on the infobox section, but the idea would be that on the Styles table, it would include an array of buttons with each of the classes icons, so it could be changed, similar to what it has been suggested on "4)". The only thing that, if "1)" is implemented, the Styles section may not be as necessary anymore. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── 1 Pictogram question.png Not sure It sure would be easy to implement but I feel this would discount the usefulness of the class gallery or style section.
2/3 Pictogram plus.png Agree It would clean up the inconsistencies from the 2D weapon images and make them extremely consistent. The item icons are used all over the wiki in subtle ways such as in crafting recipes or in big lists of weapons but it's time for those to be the defacto 2D image for weapons. Bring Shugo-style to the infobox!
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree Adding the class icons in place of the class name plus sorting the paint table by class would greatly improve the user experience. (I always stress when uploading paint galleries with multiple styles that I may upload to the incorrect style/class)
5 Pictogram minus.png Disagree On top of remaking all the infobox images being an immense amount of work, I feel this would also take away from the usefulness of the style box.
6 Pictogram question.png Not sure I would be more open to this than #5 but I often find that the class gallery images often take me the most time to complete and be happy with. Trying to find good and unique poses and appropriate facial flexes for all 9 classes takes me a fair amount of time. I wish I was faster at it.
7 Pictogram question.png Not sure I kind of agree on this point but I feel it could just be on a cosmetic-by-cosmetic basis. Like we do now, I think, we could only implement this on hats that would benefit from a full paint gallery.
8 Pictogram plus.png Agree I agree with the others on this point, {{Tabs}} would be great for this. I am more for moving the class styles out of the infobox and moving them to the style box. I feel more and more pages suffer from having a long infobox with the inclusion of more all-class, multi-style hats. If they were moved to the style box with tabs, I think many pages would look a whole lot cleaner and compact.
9 Pictogram minus.png Disagree See #8
H20verdrive (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I've been mildly intimidated, procrastinating voting on this for a week, but here we go:
1. Pictogram plus.png Agree Very good stuff.
2. Pictogram question.png Abstain Not sure about this, it might seem awkward on some items. Like others have said I'd want to see it first.
3. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree Seems necessary, but I wonder if there's a more cohesive way to display them.
4. Pictogram plus.png Agree Looks nice, more visual and less clutter.
5. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree Seems alright.
6. Pictogram question.png Abstain It seems a bit clunky and as someone said, might take a lot of work, but theoretically seems useful.
7. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree As H20verdrive said, probably an item-by-item basis (maybe a "limited run" at first for the articles that need it most?) is best.
8. Pictogram plus.png Agree Looks cool; long infoboxes do need help, but I think it's most contingent upon all-class items.
9. Pictogram minus.png Weak Disagree As all others said, this needs tweaking and removing Styles might be too radical, BUT the "arrange of buttons" might work.
Overall, if I had to give a vote for the whole package, Pictogram plus.png Agree, with tweaking.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 02:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, we got a lot of responses with this discussion, thank you everyone for reading and replying. I guess we could start making some of these proposed changes? Ones that got the most positive votes, while discarding ones that didn't get much positive reception. Perhaps let's talk what should be the best options according to your guys voting. I don't have time to actually write up new template codes and stuff at the moment, however some already have templates available for that (#7), and others should be a little more straightforward in changing (I would imagine that including the Shugo style icons for weapons be quite straightforward, if that would go through). Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Swood suggested me to make a table having total votes from everyone:
Suggestion 1 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 7 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 2 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 7 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 3 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 9 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 4 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 10 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 0
Suggestion 5 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 4 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 4 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 6 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 4 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 4
Suggestion 7 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 8 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 8 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 8 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 9 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 2 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 3 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 4

My own votings have been included too. I agree with all of the changes I proposed except "5)", which I only suggested since I already had some Style images laying around on my computer, ready to be uploaded if it were to be accepted. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Userbox, and creator page

Hey! I have a question, how i add userbox and how i add some decoration to my page like evryone did ? Nonolemage (talk) 13:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

For userboxes see Team Fortress Wiki:User info boxes. Otherwise, the rest of the decoration is up to you. You may be interested in {{User infobox}}.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the info box ! But how exactly i decorate my page ? Like how i use custom image or something like thats ? Did you have a page thats can help me to do this ?Nonolemage (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Help:Images may help you with how to place images, for images to use, simply upload them using the upload page. The correct format for images only used on your User page is "User Nonolemage [file name]", so for example "User Nonolemage profile picture.png" or "User Nonolemage scout loadout.jpg". When uploading them on the upload page, include [[Category:User images]] in the summary box. This should be done for every image you want to use on your User page.
As for more complicated design, that is usually done using CSS and/or Javascript. I can't help you much with that.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks you a lot ! You realy helped me ! Nonolemage (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Civilian Image

Should we change the image of the Civilian ? Because it's the scout in A pose but the civilain got some real texture thats can be use and found Nonolemage (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That is how the Civilian class looked when it was still available in TF2, Civilian (Classic) is the TFC version.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, but i play a mod of tf2 (tf2c) thats show a finished model of the civilain so maybe i can add a picture of it in the galery for show what it looked finished ? Or it's not important ?Nonolemage (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
That's not an official version of it, that's fan-made. No Civilian model or textures has been made for TF2.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Weapon in user page

Hey it's AGAIN me ! I see some people have a list of weapon they used for evry class but i don't know how to do this, can someone help me ? Nonolemage (talk) 07:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, you could try learning how to use wikitables, there are also templates like Template:Backpack item and Template:User weapon checklist you could use to this effect.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Allweapons Nav template

Hi! I've created two mockups as potential replacements for the current Allweapons Nav template. I'd like to get your opinion. You can check out the templates on my sandbox user page (Nav 1 and Nav 2). The "Secondary" label for "All classes" in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it. Thanks! Mgpt (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't really see what's wrong with the current one.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Outdated/It's not a "real" nav like the others (Hat/Tool Nav). If someone else comments please compare both so you can see the differences Mgpt (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I did compare both, but it doesn't exactly answer what's wrong with the current one. If people really wanted it changed I'd go for Nav 1, but I would still like to see stock and non-stock separated.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There's already a nav for them on the weapon page and stock is always the first (they can be in italic, would that work?). I personally prefer Nav 2 because it is actually a nav (not a table) but also consistent with Hat and Tool Nav. Edit: About the availability strings, they shouldn't be there, especially because they're outdated and were added more than 10 years ago. Definitely not the purpose of the template. Mgpt (talk) 20:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I'd prefer for them to be separated regardless, if only in a little box above all of them or with a line separating them. Both the current one and both your versions are technically tables either way, I think a differently structured nav doesn't necessarily make it not a nav or somehow inferior.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Personally, I prefer Nav 1. I like the structure of the current Weapon Nav the way it is, I just don't like the availability strings cluttering things up, and the taunts needlessly listing which weapons they're for. Nav 1 simplifies things in a way that's easier to read, certainly. I'd also be fine with Stock weapons being separated, perhaps with a "Stock" header and then a line break before the others.

Incidentally, re: "the 'Secondary' label for 'All classes' in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it."

  • That should be a "Melee" label, as you've probably realized by now.
  • It's looking off because the single list of weapons you've used isn't enough to fill out the space of the column. You'd need at least three lists to fill out the space that the "All Classes" column takes, so the single list you gave sits in the middle. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I made some changes, thanks for the input Mgpt (talk) 03:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Nav 1 seems almost set to me, I like the Normal quality grey indication, while still being separated by slot. My only slight nitpick now would be that I'd prefer if the non-stock weapons were organized by release order -- at the moment, reskins of stock are still at the top of the non-stock section, which doesn't make as much sense, now that we've agreed on separating stock into its own box. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 03:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I initially added them randomly from the Weapons page, but I'll definitely reorganize them by release order :D I may scrap the all class section, the idea was not to repeat weapons, but we have the Shotgun, so... Mgpt (talk) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Updated the template Mgpt (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

About the 2023 leak

Hello ! Im a translator of the unused content and i see on the social media a leak from 2023 of some map and iteam thats has been abandoned or unfinished. So i was thinking if i can work on it for make some page on the unused content section. (The leak is from a valve employer) Nonolemage (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

As long as you source all of these changes and abide by the leaked content policy. This leak was also not from a Valve employee, as far as I know.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
So if i understand, i donnt have the right to put any picture of anything if it's from a leak ? And by the way, how did the code for cited content from leak work ? And if it's not from a valve employer, from who it's from ? (Sorry for all my question and thanks for anwsering me ;-;) Nonolemage (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Don't link to any places that host leaked content (so do not link to a Tweet containing a picture of a leaked model, or containing a link to a Google Drive with the leaked content, etc.), do not directly upload media of leaked content or copy-paste code, and do not link to or upload media of recreations of leaked content. All the information you put on the page should contain a reference to where you got it from (see the examples on the policy). It's likely someone with a Source engine license that leaked everything.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
I understand, thanks a lot for your help again and i will do evrything you say ! Nonolemage (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Community Medal Nav (closed)

I feel a bit lost with the medal scheme and how it has been handled. Where exactly is this template supposed to be used? I know that {{Hat Nav}} lists the same contents, which I recently updated. I think we should either use this one and remove the medal section from Hat Nav or just use Hat Nav, no? Thanks in advance Mgpt (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

With the ever-increasing MvM medals, we should remove it from the Hat Nav and keep this one. The Hat Nav will cause pages to be too large at some point.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Would adding an 'Other' section with two links for Community and Tournament medals work then? With this approach, we also need to update the "Competitive play" Nav. Also, both templates use images, is there a specific reason for that?
Edit: They're also cosmetic items, so they should still be mentioned, in my opinion Mgpt (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
I would put the 2 links in the hat nav, then keep the medal nav separately. The comp nav can get rid of it imo, and just having a tournament medal link. I prefer having this separate one.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
I like the template, but it's too big. We don't need images for all the medals: they are exactly the same and this won't scale well if Valve ever allows new medals again (see comp nav). — Tark 00:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Disagree with "they're exactly the same," they're clearly, almost all of them, not exactly the same, but I know that my opinions about all this don't matter too much anyhow. I would be fine with listing the names of the medals instead, but then they'd all have the name of the operation over and over again, and it would be very clunky to look at. That's how it was in the promo nav to begin with, and that's what I wanted to change -- but then, that would require extra name strings that are just "Shimmering Souvenir", for example, and Swood already said that was too much. The images were my way of compromising on that, considering the Competitive nav already did that, but then that's wrong too, so whatever, I can't do any of this properly. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 03:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
They are all the same just with a unique hex paint the MVM ones have been reused over and over, there is no model difference between them other than the paint, If the medals were "different" they would have unique models to go alongside them, but back on subject, theres so many of these damn things it would be nice to be able to filter them out entirely.
Cheddar (talk) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── By "exactly the same", I meant all the MvM medals that share the same model but have a different paint applied. An average user doesn't care if the medal is pink or green, they are way more interested in the model itself. The same applies to the comp nav: we don't have an icon for every season of each tournament, only for different models.
I personally don't see how extra strings are too much and I agree that the icons look way better than whatever is going on with the comp nav template. My point here is that this template currently is too big and has too much repetitive information to work as a navbox.
Also, I know that it is common for us to get attached to our creations (in this case, the template), but suggested changes to a template are usual business. Please don't take it personally, your opinions always matter. — Tark 14:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the "too many strings" were in reference to another nav, where I suggested removing them and replacing them with links to the operation page's rewards section. There were a few medals for each operation with a link to the same section each time. Having too many strings was in reference to the promo nav, not the one we're talking about.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
So if it's suddenly not too much trouble to localize different name strings for use within this nav specifically, for reasons I won't pretend to understand, nor do I care to ask about further, I propose that if we absolutely must, we strip the pictures and the paint splats, and in the case of MVM operations, we have the link to the operation, and then within that category, plain-text names of just the medals, stripped of the operation name and years, when necessary. (That is, "Operation Galvanized Gauntlet Bejeweled Bounty 2023" becomes "Bejeweled Bounty", and so on. Cleaner, easier to read, and you already get that it's supposed to be within that operation.
I would fight for the pictures, but it's clear that's not about to happen for me, and it's best for me to give it up and take the bullet, like I always have to. I'll believe that my opinions always matter when they start being correct ones to have. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 14:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
ThatHatGuy I'm not against your template creation but I searched a little more and its being used with {{Hat Nav}} so we need to decide which one we gonna use, because currently, they have the same contents. Given the opinions above, I think a more neutral solution would be to move the Hat Nav contents to these two templates, so they stay similar to each other. Mgpt (talk) 18:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
That didn't matter when some of those event pages, for years, had both the Hat Nav and the Promo Nav on them. The Promo Nav, by definition, has the same stuff that's already on the Hat Nav. Community medals used to be listed individually on there too. Now all of a sudden, there's a new nav, that I made because Swood wanted to separate the Community Medals into their own page, and suddenly, that's something worthy of being dissected and put under a microscope.
Fix it how you all want. I've said my piece about it, but clearly I don't know what I'm doing. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 00:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
closed given the recent discussion Mgpt (talk) 02:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Trivias without confirmations

Since recent policy change now requiring trivias to have linked confirmations from contributors, there are still many old items that have trivias based on speculations (especially items made by Valve which can't really be confirmed). What should be done with them? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 09:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Leave them, we'd have to clear out pretty much most trivia sections otherwise. Unless you find proof of the contrary, just leave them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
What about this one? A promo item that directly references a game from said promotion, but trivia is about completly different character. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I believe it's a invalid trivia, though changing the name of character and game would be better compare to completely remove the trivia Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
"It is based on one of the male soldiers' hairstyles in the video game UFO: Enemy Unknown" in the first paragraph. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah my bad, mention it 2 times is kind of surplus just remove it. Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 09:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Promo items should have their reference stated in the intro, not Trivia. Feel free to remove, it is possible that the Crafty Hair is modelled after hair that is modelled after said character.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Reports/Missing template translations reporting erroneous data

It seems like a very handy feature (as handy as the entire reports page), and oddly enough, it seems to report the same thing for all languages (34 templates), and according to the quick look I did, none of them report missing translations?
I don't know who would be able to fix this, if it's even broken to begin with, maybe Darkid?
Do note that I didn't touch template translating very much in my time here, I looked up the line numbers using Notepad++. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

For the first result it looks like fr is not declared in the {{Translation switching| line which probably leads to it showing up in that report. I'm going to guess it's the same for all the other ones. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I can take a look, thanks for the ping. Darkid « TalkContribs » 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Damn, that was as quick as Dustbowl backcap, I sort of expected the "declare thing", but I doubt each of the members would forget to put it in, if that's the issue.
I would also expect hundreds of entries with varying results for every lang, not 34. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, looks like I might've screwed up when I changed the regex on Feb 1st (or at least, page history shows a major diff there). Fixing that now, should be corrected tomorrow. Darkid « TalkContribs » 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
+622,418 bytes coming through, seems about right! Looks like it's working again, thanks Darkid. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

A technical request for "Used by" template

"Localized versions of this template are not necessary." Well, they actually are needed, due to inflection of words in some languages. For Polish, "{{Used by|all}}" and "{{Used by|Soldier|etc.}}" sound fine, but "{{Used by|all-except|" needs translation switching, as it sounds very bad when names of classes are not inflected. I don't know about other languages, but some may require it too. For Polish, here's how it should look to be grammatically correct (only for "{{Used by|all-except|"):

Scout = Skauta
Soldier = Żołnierza
Pyro = Pyro
Demoman = Demomana
Heavy = Grubego
Enginner = Inżyniera
Medic = Medyka
Sniper = Snajpera
Spy = Szpiega

User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

These requests should really be on the template's talk page instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I've moved it there. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Where can I interact with the community?

Is there a discord or something to interact with the community? Thank You.

QS Quark (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

You can join the IRC if you want. There is no Discord (and we also won't make one).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)