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== Scout taunt voice lines in engi's page? ==
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== Are we hosting April Fools this year? ==
  
so i was browsing the engineer taunts and found scout voice lines for most of the new taunts, if anyone know's how to fix this please do
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I know that it's 3 months early to be talking about this topic, but is an April Fools event going to be hosted this year? I'd love it if one is; because I've actually already prepared a draft of the patch notes that are open to the public [[User: SkyTBM/april1st2017sandbox|here]]. They're set for Open Review, the summary has said nothing but to edit them and help to expand, and I want this event to happen. [[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM&#59; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good.]] ([[User talk:SkyTBM|talk]]) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (PST)
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Sir scumbag|Sir scumbag]]''' ([[User talk:Sir scumbag|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Sir scumbag|contribs]]) </small>
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: Hi. Keep in mind that a simple update page will not be enough, we would need real content. I have tried to revive this project since 2015 but I failed both times, sadly, last year we managed to get together and gather some interesting ideas, but we did not succeed because of lack of content. Anyway, if you want to see our ideas and the update notes from last year please click [[User:Tark/April|here]] and [[User:Tark/April/Notes|here]]. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 23:18, 5 January 2017 (PST)
: This discussion page isn't the right place to ask about this. Go to the Engineer Taunt's discussion page instead. If its technical issues, then try elsewhere. Thanks. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:12, 10 July 2014 (PDT)
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:: Yeah, I know Patch Notes won't be enough. Luckily, I wasn't planning for just patch notes. I have links on the page to content pages (such as weapons and taunts). Not created yet, but that's what I need help with. <span style="font-family:TF2 Build">[[User:SkyTBM|SkyTBM]]</span> added the preceding potato comment. ([[User_Talk:SkyTBM|Talk more about potatoes]] | [[Special:Contributions/SkyTBM|Contribs]]) 17:40, 7 January 2017 (PST)
  
== Responsive Wiki ==
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== Sometimes my edit bar has a seizure. ==
  
Hi guys, after many edit spams i finally have it going properly and the full wiki functions with it [[User:Lexar/Main_Page/Template:Benjas|Responsive wiki page]].
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Here's what it looks like https://youtu.be/ZlFXMp1MAAE
  
Mess around and resize your browser, it will not break (at least to know knowledge).
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Not a common occurrence, but definitely also not rare. [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 10:02, 20 February 2017 (PST)
  
so, what are your thoughts? '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 08:08, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
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:From what I have experienced, the "edit bar" automatically adjusts when it can't fit everything in your current browser window. I have come across this once before if you make the window full screen / reload the page it should go away. If not, try closing your browser entirely, then open it back up again.  The program isn't perfect. [[Image:User Twolfe Signature.png|25px]] ||  [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]] ||  [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 10:08, 20 February 2017 (PST)
:It's nice, however, I think the Full Moon icon should be centered and with a space between the Moon Status (The Moon Status centered as well). And the latest wiki caps awarded, make the users have a link to their userpages. Other than that, it's great. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:35, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Items' original names, etc. and trivia ==
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::Oh. I often switch between a 1920x1080 monitor and a 1366x768 one. That must be it. Thanks! [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 11:05, 20 February 2017 (PST)
  
<small>here instead of [[Help talk:Style guide/Trivia]] for greater exposure</small> For a while now, trivia relating to items' original names, Workshop descriptions, and such have been deemed as not being notable. I'm personally for these being considered valid trivia, and I'm not sure where this convention (which isn't even noted in the [[trivia guidelines]]!) came from. The original names of community-contributed items are even mentioned in the main section of the articles, and it would only make sense to include explanations for the possible references included. I don't think I'm not the only one with this opinion. Due to how this isn't even mentioned in the trivia guidelines or never being properly discussed, confusion is further created about the notability of trivia like this. Due to the things I mentioned, I thought it's finally time to form a concrete guideline relating to this.
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== Sometimes my wiki layout messes up. ==
  
tl;dr: Is trivia relating to the original, now unofficial details of the item notable? Why? Why not? [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] ▪ [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 10:17, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
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Unlike the edit bar seizure, this one has only been happening recently, and doesn't seem to be limited to one monitor resolution.
:{{c|support}} - I agree, some items have only its creation due the name or the thing it was based on. In fact, some pages have the original names as a trivia, like the [[Falconer]]. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 10:27, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: I covered this over on the IRC somewhat, but I'll restate it here for everyone else. I think that original names would be pretty relevant to include, seeing as they are noted on the page. I'm not so sure about including descriptions, unless the information backs up other trivia regarding the item or item name (like with the [[Combustible Kabuto]], the description references KLK, which the item's design does as well). In regards to sets, that's a lot more awkward. It fits with some items to include the trivia, such as with the [[Peacenik's Ponytail]]/[[Texas Tech-hand]], due to the fact that the set was included ingame, but one of the items wasn't included in the set (for obvious reasons). I'm not sure that it's particularly interesting trivia to just say that "These items were contributed as part of this set, but they weren't marked as a set ingame", considering that the pages would already cover whether or not the item is in a set. Additionally, I think I've seen some items that are just put into collections on the workshop because of similar themes or something similar, even though the items wouldn't actually work as a set ingame. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 10:35, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: {{c|support}} I don't see any reason why this king of trivia can't be included.
 
: Side question: do we need to translate workshop item/item set names for other languages? Maybe, just add translation in brackets alongside with the original name; I can't find anything about this in guidelines. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 14:51, 14 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== weapon demonstration ==
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Usually it looks like this: [https://s27.postimg.org/6wagw4lkj/layout_1.png]
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Rarely, it changes to this, often when I refresh the page, get an error, and refresh again.
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[https://s28.postimg.org/q6ub5uru5/layout_2.png]
  
can i reserve a demonstration on the classic = an i am new to the wiki
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What is this? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Anyar|Anyar]]''' ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contribs]]) </small>
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Cmj2003|Cmj2003]]''' ([[User talk:Cmj2003|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cmj2003|contribs]]) </small>
 
: Please go to the weapon demonstration discussion page to reserve weapon demonstrations. This discussion page isn't for that. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:59, 22 July 2014 (PDT)
 
  
==  Released inconsistency ==
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:The wiki is currently experiencing some internal errors, which is why the formatting breaks. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|40px|link=]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><big>'''WkPn'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 05:54, 21 February 2017 (PST)
It is all about the <nowiki>{{Item infobox</nowiki> template!<br>
 
Shown in the item infobox: | released          = '''issue'''<br>
 
In the articles, by whoever wants to, there is added a link to a major update '''or''' the patch date. I find it confusing that it is not clear what is entered there.<br>
 
The official documentation says:<br> <code>When the item was released. Basic text parameter. Not displayed unless defined specifically.</code><br>
 
So which is it:<br>
 
1. Released: Mann vs. Machine Update<br>
 
2. Released: August 15, 2012 Patch<br>
 
?<br>
 
Thanks for any help & informations. [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 06:56, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:I prefer ''Released: Mann vs. Machine Update'' since I feel more connected to major updates; when I read a specific date that was two years ago I don't think I can remember what happenend back then.
 
:However, this will make the item infobox a little bit more inconsistent than just writing the date everywhere. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 07:03, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:: It would make it a lot more consistent with pages in general if it noted the patch date rather than the update name, yeah. The update name should be listed in the main description and the Update history (at the very least) as well, so it's not like the actual update associated with it wouldn't be visible at the top of the page, if the patch date was in the infobox. In contrast, if the update name is in the infobox, it would mean that the patch date is only listed in the Update history, which can be a hassle to scroll down to if you just want to find out the date an item came out (for example, if an item has four styles that are all paintable, you'd have to scroll past all of the tables for the painted variants to get to that info). --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:30, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::Sounds reasonable, but [[Made Man|sometimes]] the update name is not listed in the main description (and [[Charmer's Chapeau|sometimes]] not even in the update history) and you have to scroll down to the update history aswell. Can't we have both in the item infobox like in most patch notes (''June 23, 2011 Patch (Über Update)'')? Give it a line break between the patch date and the patch name and the item infobox will still look smooth. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 04:45, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::: It'd probably be a good idea to make sure that all pages do have the update name in the description and the update history at some point. That idea about putting them both in the infobox could work, though. It would just depend on how it actually looked when put on the page. It could be the best solution, really. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:32, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::Preview [[User:SackZement/Sandbox|here]], feel free to edit at will. I tend to the version with the line break. The one in one line (last one, with nowrap) might be the best as long as it still fits in the infobox, which will be not the case for ''third community weapon update'' or something. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 08:34, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::: I think the first one is best there, really. I think it'd be more consistent if the update names were all on a separate line underneath the patch date, rather than some of them being on the same line, some of them being on a separate line, and some having to wrap from the patch date line to the second line. So yeah, the one with the line break looks best to me. Might be worth getting some staff input on this before we go ahead with changing any pages for it, though. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:43, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::::::{{c|Support}} the version with a line break. [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] ▪ [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 09:14, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::::::{{c|Support}} SackZement's version with a line break. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:24, 3 August 2014 (PDT)
 
:::::::{{c|Done}} - The pages have been edited to follow SackZement's consistency version. However, [[item set]] pages weren't edited due the infobox works differently than the normal item pages. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:03, 19 December 2014 (PST)
 
::::::::{{c|Done}} - Item sets are all done. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 06:23, 21 December 2014 (PST)
 
  
==  Availability template(?) ==
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::Not just me then? Yeah, this happens after the page saying there's internal errors. [[User:Anyar|Anyar]] ([[User talk:Anyar|talk]]) 06:05, 21 February 2017 (PST)
It is all about the <nowiki>{{Item infobox</nowiki> template!<br>
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:::This encounters fairly regularly since Valve is neglecting the tf wiki and its servers. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 06:12, 21 February 2017 (PST)
Issue: '''Availability'''<br>
 
Every language needs to update after an update. Simply: Copy over the english information in the other languages (hats/weapons/others). Wouldnt it be more efficient if the info is stored in one place (like th dictionary) and it is automaticly applied for the other languages. I find it inefficient how it is done at the time.<br>
 
The official documentation says:<br> <code>The means of obtaining the item. Basic text parameter. Not displayed unless defined specifically.</code><br>
 
I think this is outdated and should be thought over at least once.<br>
 
Thanks for any help & informations. [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 06:56, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
: This could be a good idea. It would mean that you'd only have to make one edit to update all of the language pages for a single item. It would also make it easier to update a bunch of items from one update that need a new availability (like the Love & War cosmetics being updated to show that they can be received in drops), rather than having to edit every single item and all of their language pages. Something like [[Template:QuAD]] could work, but I'd have no idea how to implement it. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 07:30, 30 July 2014 (PDT)
 
::While this could be implemented with relative ease using a dictionary, I personally don't think it's required as those strings would only have one very niche use. The manual updating works just fine, I think. [[File:User Zabidenu sig.png|link=User:Zabidenu]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Zabidenu|contribs]] ▪ [[User talk:Zabidenu|talk]])</small> 09:23, 31 July 2014 (PDT)
 
:This sounds like {{tl|Dictionary/quad}} — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:24, 3 August 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== How much strategy in Maps articles? ==
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==Romanian translators anyone?==
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<b>Are there any romanian translators out there that are still active and willing to give me a hand?</b>I mean, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there seems to be a lack of my kind around these parts... -- [[User:Je love prajitura :D|Je love prajitura :D]] ([[User talk:Je love prajitura :D|talk]]) 09:58, 20 March 2017 (PDT)
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:Hello. A lot of languages are lacking translators. We'd be much obliged if you contribute to the Romanian section or recruit more translators. There's no active Romanian translator despite you currently. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 10:22, 20 March 2017 (PDT)
  
Due the recent activity on [[Gorge]] & [[2Fort]] i asked myself: How much is really a map description and what is in the direct area of strategy?<br> The Style guide for maps doesnt reveal any significant information about the matter.<br> Text like: "...often sniper lurk there" or "often a sentry gun is there" are valid information about how to decribe a map? Or should it only be in the community strategy article of a map? Relevant example link: [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Gorge&diff=1736697&oldid=1688753 Gorge] ; cleanup needed? [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 21:13, 11 August 2014 (PDT)
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== Where do people get the class images from? ==
:I think stating common spots is not really "strategy" and as long as it's not overused it can actually help to describe (the playstyle of) the map.[[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:09, 12 August 2014 (PDT)
 
::Have to agree with SackZement here - the likes of Snipers on the balcony of 2Fort isn't just strategy, but a key map feature present in virtually all games. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 08:24, 12 August 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== MediaWiki extensions ==
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For each cosmetic's article, the gallery contains images for each of the 9 classes, all wearing the cosmetic. Where did they get that image from? Or, how did they make it? ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 13:33, 16 April 2017 (PDT)
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:Those images are usually created with HLMV, please see [[Help:Model Viewer]] for more information. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|40px|link=]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><big>'''WkPn'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 14:00, 16 April 2017 (PDT)
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::Oh, thanks. I didn't manage to check for your reply, sorry for late response. ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 16:16, 21 April 2017 (PDT)
  
Is there any plan to introduce MediaWiki extensions such as Mobile Web (Mobile Frontend) or the Visual Editor? [[User:Canis|Canis]] ([[User talk:Canis|talk]]) 00:59, 25 September 2014 (PDT)
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== What is A TF2 Community? ==
  
== Craft No. for limited item  ==
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Hello, I am New to this group And I think i have all my solutions to TF2 Here, But for Now I just wanted to ask What is A TF2 Community How can i join one? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Trump|Trump]]''' ([[User talk:Trump|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Trump|contribs]]) </small>
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:The tf2 community is simply the name of all the fans and the things related to tf2 that aren't ingame. [[User:Padacuw|Padacuw]] ([[User talk:Padacuw|talk]]) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (PDT)
  
New things out of the box are #86 Limited Quantity and can not be bought or craft, I think you need to write NO
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== Should we delete unused user page files from long-gone users? ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
: They're marked as having craft numbers in the schema. Almost all items added to the game this year have been marked as craftable, even if they're not craftable at the time of release, like the Strongbox items. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:40, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]] ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) 06:02, 27 September 2014 (PDT)So you can fix to the NO?  
 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
::: It should be marked as yes. An item being craftable and an item having craft numbers are two separate settings in the schema. All of the new cosmetics have craft numbers, and as such, the infobox should state yes for that section. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:45, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]] ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) 06:02, 27 September 2014 (PDT)But they can not be craft or found so it can not get my room forging
 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Leonaz|Leonaz]]''' ([[User talk:Leonaz|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Leonaz|contribs]]) </small>
 
::::: That is irrelevant to if they have craft numbers. As I said, being craftable and having craft numbers are two separate settings. Also, you should sign your posts with four ~. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:52, 27 September 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Merging Availability and Dictionary/Quad ==
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A rather sizable number of wiki users haven't been on since 2013 at the latest, and have many unused user page files. Should we delete these files?
  
These both contain the same information, except that quad contains the end quality. Would it be worth the effort to change {{tl|Avail}} to pull information from quad instead? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 13:37, 1 October 2014 (PDT)
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[[User:Jboby1|Jboby1]] ([[User talk:Jboby1|talk]]) 15:48, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
:Edit: This change would likely be chainging {{tl|Quad/list}} to add a parameter to put out a different style of info, namely the style that avail uses. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 22:17, 1 October 2014 (PDT)
 
  
== Scream Fortress 2014 or Scream Fortress VI? ==
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:What if they come back?
  
The page naming for the past Halloween Specials have been remarkably inconsistent. They're either using the title from the Update pages or using the one in the patch notes.
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:I'm fine with deleting talk pages for users who are inactive and don't have a user page, or just the user page of anyone who has been inactive for years and only has a few edits (that were all made within the same timespan).
  
[[Haunted Hallowe'en Special]] aka Haunted Hallowe'en Special (2009)<br>
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:In other words I'm mostly against user pages that took a lot of effort to make, because it'd be discouraging to come back and find that gone. Thoughts? ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 17:01, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
* No patch note title.
 
  
[[Scream Fortress Update]] aka Second Annu-Hell Scream Fortress Hauntdead Halloween Special <br>
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: {{c|oppose}} [[w:Sometimes They Come Back (film)|Sometimes They Come Back]] ... (How come I didn't get one of those "He has risen!" do-hickies, TidB? (oh, riiiiight) ;) ... Really, it doesn't hurt anything to leave it all up, there is no valuable benefit to deleting, and it takes labor to decide if the page really should be saved or not, so on the whole, no I see not justification to delete. There is the tradition and policy that no one edits someone else's user space as long as it is conforming to the wiki's policy, and there was no Delete if Inactive Policy at the time of posting. Moreover, Anyar, the one thing that should never be deleted is Talk space, as it is the most formal record of collaboration, and IMO, the oldest records of collaboration are the more valuable, more so if the participants are now inactive. Yes, I know there is a lot of junk images, but that is a matter of opinion, and a lot of just simply unused images, but in the latter only the OP (or admin with cause) should delete it, and under the license, I'm not event sure that is proper. [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 19:27, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
* Patch Note: *Halloween 2010 Event*
 
  
[[Very Scary Halloween Special]]<br>
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::I meant the talk pages with the only content being the autowiki bot's welcome message. Don't the pages take up space or something? ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 12:23, 4 September 2017 (PDT)
* Patch Note: *Halloween 2011 Event*
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:::This wiki runs on a toaster with lots of space. The deletions could theoretically be worse than having those pages. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 08:05, 5 September 2017 (PDT)
  
[[Spectral Halloween Special]]<br>
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I think you all are misunderstanding my question. I'm asking if we should delete the files that were uploaded by a long-gone user for their userpage, but were never used, or are no longer used. Im not saying we should delete entire userpages.
* Patch Note: *Scream Fortress Event 2012*
 
  
Scream Fortress Fifth Annual Helloween Special<br>
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[[User:Jboby1|Jboby1]] ([[User talk:Jboby1|talk]]) 20:31, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
* Uses patch note title: [[Scream Fortress 2013]]
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:Those unused user files don't hurt as long as they're named correctly. If you want you can of course flag them for deletion if they're unused, but I wouldn't suggest to waste time on it. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 01:05, 4 September 2017 (PDT)
  
Scream Fortress Sixth Annual Halloween Special<br>
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== Team Fortress discord server ==
* Patch note: Scream Fortress VI
 
  
Half of the pages use some variation of Scream Fortress and the other half uses the update page title.
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I am currently in the process of making  a tf wiki discord server that wiki contributors can talk and discuss things similar to the irc.  i am asking for ideas that can be used for the discord server.  any ideas that are part of the final server will be listed in a special chat along with the person who came up with said idea.  i am also looking someone who could make a logo for the discord server.  i am not sure when i will release it but when i do (thats if i ever do) i will announce it in a new discussion along with a link to join it. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Neon man909|Neon man909]]''' ([[User talk:Neon man909|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Neon man909|contribs]]) </small>
  
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 19:44, 29 October 2014 (PDT)
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:I'm not sure if that's needed. Personally I like Discord better, but when I proposed the idea of moving from IRC to Discord I got completely shot down. Apparently the differences are that Discord has a cleaner and fancier UI, but IRC has better customization and all that.
: I've been using Scream Fortress 2014 to keep it consistent with Scream Fortress 2013. The two of them don't have any special name like the previous years do, and it's pretty unwieldy to have it listed as "Scream Fortress Fifth/Sixth Annual Halloween Special". I'd rather use Scream Fortress 2014 instead of Scream Fortress VI for consistency with last year's event. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 19:48, 29 October 2014 (PDT)
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:FYI you made the same topic twice so I deleted the second one. [[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 07:07, 8 October 2017 (PDT)
:: Seconded, will create templates with these names. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 06:00, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
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: It would probably support your argumentation to present a pro/contra list, since staff doesn't see much pro's in Discord over IRC. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] <small>'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}'''</small> 22:48, 8 October 2017 (PDT)
::: 2013 actually did have a name: the '''Hell'''oween Special. [[Image:User_VinLAURiA_Vinsignia.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:28, 8 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Unlocked Creepy Crates ==
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== Multi-Class images ==
  
Where should they be put? They're named crates, but they don't share the same mechanic as classic crates, since they don't need any key. In this regard, they're more like others [[Crate#Crate_like_items|"Crate like items"]]. They're also only obtainable through purchasing them on the store. I believe they should get their own page since they're a new system. Just wanted to ask before doing something like that.
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I've been thinking about multi-class images. I feel like we should just have one class in the infobox, like the all-class images.
  
[[User:Sk8er Of Bodom|Sk8er Of Bodom]] ([[User talk:Sk8er Of Bodom|talk]]) 17:44, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
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Having 2-4 classes all standing next to each other looks kind of messy and squashes the image too much.
: They're still crates, and they don't have a series, so I've been working on them going in [[Mann Co. Supply Crate/Seriesless crates]]. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
 
:: Still doesn't feel right to me. They are even considered as an action slot item by the game. If they are only new seriesless crates, then what's the difference between these and for example the Halloween Goodie Cauldron or Halloween Gift Cauldron? Or the Mann Co. Painting Set? Or all these items in the Crate like items category? Is it just because they actually look like crates and have "crate" in their name? [[User:Sk8er Of Bodom|Sk8er Of Bodom]] ([[User talk:Sk8er Of Bodom|talk]]) 18:39, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
 
::: Thought I responded to this, whoops. Anyway, it might be a good idea to try and get some opinions from other people about this. I think it's better for them to go with crates as it makes them less confusing to look for, seeing as they do look like crates and are called crates. Other people might have different reasons to agree or disagree, so getting their opinions (if possible) could help us come to a proper solution for this. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 21:34, 31 October 2014 (PDT)
 
:::: I would say categorize them under crates. If you look at the Dota 2 system regarding crates or in their case "Treasures" They're still the same as any other treasure before they removed the key system. This is sort of like that. Still a crate just without a key. So no matter how you look at it, its still a crate, you just spend less for the key. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 10:57, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Update on the wiki mobile (Its a decent menu!) ==
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For example, the [[Deadliest Duckling]] just has one class. If we had just one class, I feel as if it would be neater and more consistent with everything else [[File:User Bojjob Userlink.png|link=User:Bojjob]] 02:36, 14 October 2017 (PDT)
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: {{c|Support}} Sounds good. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 06:32, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
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:: [[File:Socked and Loaded.png|thumb|120px]]{{c|Neutral}} Multi-class images (e.g. the one to the right) look alright to me, but so does the one for Deadliest Duckling. Your call. ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 07:01, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
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::: {{c|Support}} I like the idea. However, I think the limit should be at least two classes. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|35px|link=]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><big>'''WkPn'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 07:55, 17 October 2017 (PDT)
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: {{Comment}} How about a slow transition between single-class images. MediaWiki has an [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JavascriptSlideshow extension that does exactly this]. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 14:36, 26 October 2017 (PDT)
  
Been a while I know but i have made some progress [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32668357/WikiPages/wiki_mobile/mobile-menu/index.html here].
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== Voice actor link proposal ==
  
any ideas to what you would like to be changed?
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If a voice actor has a Wikipedia page, link to that (with <nowiki>[[wikipedia:<NAME>|<NAME>]]</nowiki>) instead of IMDB. This would affect all articles about characters with voice actors as well as [[Voice actors]][[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 14:43, 26 October 2017 (PDT)
'''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 21:17, 1 November 2014 (PDT)
 
:This is almost functionally complete (yay), but stylistically not (boo). Here's what I think:
 
* The top-left menu icon doesn't look really like one. It looks very flat and the lines are a bit too fat and wide to be menu-like.
 
* The menu items aren't differentiated between those that expand and those that don't. It's also not immediately obvious that they're expandable in the first place.
 
* The menu sub-links are larger in font size than the name of the menu they're in.
 
* It'd help to have the rest of the page shown in the example, to see how it fits the rest of the page. As-is, I think (imaging the page being there) that it would appear too flat compared to the gradienty/dropshadow-ness that the rest of the page uses.
 
* If possible, make the two page menus separated like they are in mediawiki (page + discuss on one side, read/edit/history/etc on the other). If not differently-aligned, at least put some separator in the middle to make it clear that they're two different sets of switches.
 
* Animations would be nice, similar to how there's animations on the wiki sidebar items.
 
* Where would account information/notifications appear, or the login/register link when logged out?
 
This sounds like a bunch of complaints but they're all stylistic besides the last one, so yay for ze sound of progress~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:48, 1 November 2014 (PDT)
 
  
Thanks Wind,
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== Skins and Stranges ==
  
I hope I understood your points correctly. to see the new one you have to have your browsers viewport at 850 or less (and i know i didn't put the wiki content in there, please forgive). I have made changes [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32668357/WikiPages/wiki_mobile/mobile-menu-2-0/index.html here].
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Valve's addition to weapon retextures to Team Fortress 2 did seemingly spark some controversy at first, with TF:GO spreading rapidly, and it has been mostly accepted by the community. But did Valve really incorporate this in a way that will benefit their users? I'm not whining about the need to buy keys to open reward crates received through contracts after getting a pass for them, but I do want to address the topic of strange items, stat-clocks and strangifiers and how they 'interact' with war paints and skinned items. To get the topic out of the way, the addition of the civilian grade clock to add strange qualities to your 'common' skins was a nice idea, sure, let's add some value and desire to the lower end of the skin spectrum, but not adding them for the other 'not crate' grades is quite strange. In my opinion, this lack additions decreases value from all other grades of skins, aside from ones which can aquire strange status through key requiring crates. For example, why should I buy or try to obtain a war paint for my scattergun to change its visual appearance if I cannot put it on my strange variant? It seems like a waste, especially considering people will be purchasing war paints to put on their favourite weapons which are likely in strange quality, and few people are going to want to turn down their Hales Own rocket launcher for a default rocket launcher with a changed texture. I believe, to fix this, war paints should either be usable with strange weapons, or, stat clocks should be added for freelance and mercenary grades alongside the civilian grade, to make these variants of weapons more appealing to the community (heads up Valve, this means community market purchases! Yay!).  
  
complete with little animations and everything.
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Who knows, maybe it's just me. But I'm sure that it would be a great addition to the game, considering the past few major updates have included new items which would benefit greatly from said change. Who knows, another somewhat minor update with some additions may also breathe some more life back into the trading community.
  
'''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 01:01, 2 November 2014 (PST)
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Thanks for reading my post. Opinions and feedback would be warmly welcomed, preferably without a side of salt or death threats. Thanks,
:This is really great progress in such a short time.
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[[User:EJB9|EJB9]] ([[User talk:EJB9|talk]]) 08:38, 11 November 2017 (PST)
:Still some complaints:
 
* Need to see it with the page content. This is both to see if it matches stylistically but also to see the transition between modes when the window is resized.
 
* Menu button still doesn't look like a menu. The lines are too thick and too long. Maybe it could be made into a really obvious button by making it look like
 
:{{TF button|content=A real button}} with the 3 little lines inside.
 
* Can you show examples when logged in, and with notifications?
 
* Have you tried playing with TF2 fonts? No need to use them if they look bad, but if they look OK it might be worth using them, much like they are used for tab names on the current skin.
 
Yay progress — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:19, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
Thanks, I have worked on these points as best as i could. you should be able to see the menu implemented [[User:Lexar/Main_Page/Template:Benjas|here]], I MAY have to work on the account notification bit, it looks fine, but doesn't really have a defining look to it. Please tell me how you wish the account bit to look with a logged in user and it will be done =D '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 06:47, 2 November 2014 (PST)
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== Difficulty logging in ==
:Feels pretty great to see it on a real page.
 
* Need preloading of all resources. This includes the hovered version of the menu button, the hovered version of the search bar toggle button, and the "reversed" version of the search bar toggle button. I advise against putting them as separate images and insert them in a hidden div to preload them. Instead put them inside the same image as the existing version (non-hovered menu button, search bar toggle button) and use the background-position trick, similar to [[:File:Leyen_dropdown.png|how the dropdown works]] or how {{tl|TF button}} works. This way, either the element is fully loaded and works 100%, or it isn't loaded at all. There is no intermediate state where only one of the states has loaded.
 
* The [http://upload.gaiatools.com/files/lexar_text_align_0.png account Soldier picture throws off text alignment] This wasn't very noticeable with the non-TF2 font, but now it is noticeable.
 
* If you set your viewport narrow and refresh the page, the desktop skin appears for a while before the page has finished loading, and then there's a sudden jump when the menu activates. I assume that this is because it's JavaScript doing the "hey this page has a custom Page.css and I should load this now" late into the page load, and that this won't be the case when the CSS @media rules are part of the site's CSS proper.
 
* Please convert the JavaScript code to a self-contained object under a single variable, similar to almost everything on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] past the "Collapsible tables" section.
 
* Can the "Log out" link be right-aligned to separate it from the others? (Optional, I just think it'd look nicer)
 
* I think we could still use some things to make the menu look nicer (especially the sidebar one as it's kind of bland), but I have no specific suggestions. I think the rest of the staff may have some when they take a look at this though, so hopefully there'll be some actionable items out of that
 
— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:07, 2 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
Rjackson suggested we should not have it looking like a button but instead just leave it being 3 plain while lines on the normal background.
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So far, I have only been able to log in on mobile after much refreshing. I have been unable to log in on desktop and pages take a while to load.
  
In Rjacksons words "call WindPower a "poopy mc poop head"" as "everybody knows three horizontal lines = menu button"
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Every attempt to log in results in an error message, “Team Fortress Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again.”
  
No idea how it should go but maybe there should be a small discussion on its own about this particular point. '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 04:31, 3 November 2014 (PST)
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In addition, average number of edits per day seem to have gone down dramatically over the past three days.
:{{Pro}} Overall: I really like the design, it feels and looks good. Nothing more to say, I think.
 
:{{Neutral}} Menu button: I'm rather neutral about this, I like both variants. It'd be also possible to use just the three lines, but distinguish them from the rest of the top bar by adding a darker background.
 
:'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 14:09, 3 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Languages sidebar on TFW: and Help: namespaces ==
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[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 17:14, 20 November 2017 (PST)
  
{{tl|Mw-langlink}}, which generates the sidebar "Languages" section, currently excludes the Team Fortress Wiki and Help namespaces. This means that pages like [[Help:Colors/ja]] do not have appropriate language links on the sidebar. I see two options:
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: We have experienced this on and off again the last couple years. The senior editors seem to understand it a bit better <u>than I</u>.
#Encourage translation of pages within these namespaces, and enable this template in these namespaces
 
#Discourage translations of these pages, remove the few that are translated, and leave the template as it is.
 
Thoughts? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 15:37, 10 November 2014 (PST)
 
  
== Mentioning item names too often ==
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: Preview seems greatly slowed this time.
  
Hai, I think we need to mention item names less often. It just came to my mind when I saw Gabriel's recent edits like [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1806667 this] and [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/?diff=1806675 that]. Personally, I think this is unnecessary and bloats the page. If we continue using "this item" or something similar, it'd still be clear what item is meant without citing the full name again. I have to admit, I've always used the full item name until now, but I think it's time to change this. Some areas that might need changing include the promotional sentence ("was given to player who pre-ordered"), the community sentence ("was contributed to the Steam Workshop") and the thumbnails ("Steam Workshop thumbnail for the"). I'd like to hear some opinions about it.<br>
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: Yes, I have used mobile editing as a workaround to the log on issue. On the desktop, when repeating the login attempts does not get around the false cookie issue, opening the wiki in another window sometimes shows that I am logged in even though the first window is telling me to try again.
'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 05:37, 16 November 2014 (PST)
 
:{{c|neutral}} A wiki should be a place for unambiguous information which is guaranteed by repeating the item name. However, I neither think writing "this item" would hurt too much, nor think changing it is worth the effort or improves the flow of reading. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:28, 12 December 2014 (PST)
 
::Alrighty, I'll create German pages with "this item" and the like from now on and leave the rest untouched for now. '''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]] | [[User:TidB/WikiTranslator|wt]]''' }''' 06:31, 12 December 2014 (PST)
 
  
== New Pants Page? ==
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: A couple months back, when this was really bad, ICS noticed it and told me that they would talk with somebody at Valve, and overnight, things greatly improved (coincidence?) in time for a few weeks of pre-Halloween editing.
  
We're starting to get a lot of pants items now with the EOTL update coming out. Should we make a new disambiguation page leading to pants in general? [[File:Killicon_sandman_ball.png|50px]] [[User:Bruss48|<span style="color:black;">'''Bruss48'''</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Bruss48|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Bruss48|C]])</sub> [[File:Killicon_flying_guillotine.png|60px]] 15:47, 11 December 2014 (PST)
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: Now that the Jungle Infrerno Update is dying down .... [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 05:15, 21 November 2017 (PST) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)
  
== Game mode goals ==
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:: The tip I forgot: Using the "keep me logged in" option avoids the log in problem, once you get in. Just take pains to not forget you password through the resulting non-use. [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)
  
Many of the map articles have a paragraph that describes the goal of the map. For example, [[Capture the Flag]] maps have "The goal of the map is to capture the [[Intelligence]] three times, while preventing the enemy from doing the same." I think these descriptions are unnecessary and redundant - the goal is already described in the game mode article, and it should be removed from the map article.
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== Teamfortresswiki discord server ==
  
'''However''', the description should remain for maps where the goal is different than other maps of the same game mode. For example, [[Mountain Lab]] has three successive control points, compared to the usual two on an [[Attack/Defend]] map or the five on a [[Symmetric]] map. In this case, it would be useful to have the description in the article.
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Hi, for the past 3-4 months on and off i have been working on a tfwiki discord server, atm it is prety basic, but i would like some people to join and maybye give feedback, help out and just is genral be helpful.  Even though it is not necessary to make such server, i have been bored and its been a fun journey so far
  
What do you think? [[User:Doktor|Doktor]] ([[User talk:Doktor|talk]]) 21:45, 28 December 2014 (PST)
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https://discord.gg/DZmKRNN
  
== What happened to the wiki? ==
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[[User:Neon man909|Neon man909]] ([[User talk:Neon man909|talk]]) 05:31, 14 January 2018 (PST)
  
There is no more custom theme, but only basic Vector ! {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 10:15, 10 January 2015 (PST)
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Hi there,
:Everything is back to normal. I do not know what could this happen. I screenshots in case. {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 10:20, 10 January 2015 (PST)
 
  
== Extension:Translate ==
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It appears that you have created this kind of topic before, which has already been discussed; see [[TFW:Discussion#Team Fortress discord server]]. I'd also recommend you to take down said server, as it would be considered unofficial. Thanks. [[File:User_Wiki_Pan_backpack_fryingpan.png|30px|link=#]][[User:Wiki Pan|<font color="8650AC"><i>'''WkPn'''</i></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:Wiki Pan|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Wiki Pan|contribs]]''')'''</small> 06:02, 14 January 2018 (PST)
  
Mediawiki version 1.24 introduces [[w:mw:Extension:Translate|Extension:Translate]], a different way of handling language translation. The primary benefits to this wiki are:
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== How to make articles ==
#Shared content across pages. We currently use [[Template:Dictionary|a dictionary]] along with [[Template:Assisting in Pyroland|various]] [[Template:Halloween restricted|other]] [[Template:Golden Wrench notes|templates]] to accomplish this.
 
#Automatic translation linking. We currently use the [[Mediawiki:Sidebar|sidebar]], which has some bugs as this is not a standard usage.
 
#Flagging outdated translations. This is currently not done.
 
#Various statistics (currently compiled by [[User:WindBOT|WindBOT]], through templates, or by scripts).
 
The cost to usual editors is this: English pages would have <nowiki><translate>tags around</translate></nowiki> text that needed translation. These strings appear to translators for the edit page in another language. Thus, we would have to split our translations into these strings.<br>
 
The benefit to usual editors is this: Templates and possibly other parts of the pages could be synchronized more easily between languages. It is clearer to translators when a page is outdated. More work done by translators would be re-used.<br>
 
The benefit to more casual readers is the "quality of translation" links, which indicate if a translation is out of date or incomplete.<br>
 
Answers to a few concerns I had:
 
* This extension will not break any pages we currently have. The software only takes control when it finds <nowiki><translate></nowiki> tags.
 
* This extension uses the same language scheme. Pages are linked via slash (Main Page/es), rather than the wikia standard of colon (es:Main Page).
 
I would {{c|Support}} this extension (and MediaWiki upgrade) being tested and slowly introduced. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 08:17, 27 January 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|neutral}} Sounded like the main benefit that is currently not solved in another way (windbot etc.) is finding out of date translations, but I guess articles are out of date because translators do not have the time to keep them updated instead of not knowing which articles should be redone?<br>
 
:''The software only takes control when it finds <nowiki><translate></nowiki> tags.'' This sounds good.<br>
 
:''this extension (and MediaWiki upgrade) being '''tested''' and '''slowly''' introduced.'' This is a very important part. [[File:User_SackZement_signature.gif|link=User:SackZement]][[User:SackZement|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="orange">SackZement]]</font></span> [[User_talk:SackZement|&lt;Talk&gt;]] 02:16, 28 January 2015 (PST)
 
::{{c|+|Why not ?}} {{User:Nicolapps/Signature}} 12:49, 28 January 2015 (PST)
 
  
== What happened to the TF2 Wiki when it was down earlier this week? ==
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I just joined the wiki, and I would like to know how to submit an article for the mod Lambda Fortress. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Youporkchop5|Youporkchop5]]''' ([[User talk:Youporkchop5|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Youporkchop5|contribs]]) </small>
  
I was really worried. Does anyone know about the past situation? [[User:SpriteFan3|&#123; &#60;3 SpriteFan3 © &#125;]] ([[User talk:SpriteFan3|talk]]) 19:30, 7 February 2015 (PST)
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:Hello Porkchop :) I'd advice you to read about article creation either [[Help:Editing|here]] or [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=974408397 here]. Have fun. PS: Don't forget to sign off your comments with 4 tildes. [[User:Faghetti V.2|Faghetti V.2]] ([[User talk:Faghetti V.2|talk]]) 00:49, 22 January 2018 (PST)
:AFAIK a switch broke in the datacenter, so valve couldn't fix it immediately, they had to contact their host and get it fixed there. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 19:32, 7 February 2015 (PST)
 
:::AFAIK the story above could be true, but i suspect magic and a rise in darkness. What the real truth is we will never know. We can just hope that the next time a magical warded backup route is secured. (Test if edits work for me without 10x 503 errors like before) [[User:Magicalpony|Magicalpony]] ([[User talk:Magicalpony|talk]]) 21:08, 7 February 2015 (PST)
 
  
== PNG vs JPG ==
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== How do you change the title of an infobox? ==
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Hi, I am trying to translate the smissmas cosmetic articels into german but I dont know how to change the title of the infobox and were do you get the inventory pictures?
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When you take a picture of a cosmetic you didnt make can you still upload a picture of it? [[User:Timmy the mini|Timmy the mini]] ([[User talk:Timmy the mini|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
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# I would connect with the [[Help:Language translation|Translation Community]] (I'm not there; I only [[:Template:User Heavy correcting|translate English]]), but I think the autotranslation of the title in the infobox is sort of template-controlled.
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# Inventory Pictures? not me. Usually I find that someone already has uploaded it, especially by the time you are translating.
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# What you can upload: [[Help:Images]] Certainly anything under some sort of Valve license -- anything you see in the game. Are you worried about something you found on someone's Workshop page?
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# Oh! Wait! Here! [[Help:Cosmetic Images]].
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:[[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 00:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
  
Hello, I have a question about the images of major updates. What is better for high-resolution images? e.g.:
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== Adapting Wikipedia Visual Editor ==
* JPG 100% quality lossless (1,600 × 7,052 pixels, file size: 1.69 MB) [[:File:Love_and_War_day_2.jpg]]
 
* PNG (580 × 3,350 pixels, file size: 1.69 MB) [[:File:LoveAndWarUpdate_Day2.png]] (lowered resolution, text is difficult to read)
 
Yeap i can do PNG with 100% quality lossless but file size will be 8-10 Mb (1,600 × 7,052 pixels) + can compress (4-5 Mb) but it is still more than JPG. (I have fast internet connection 100 Mbit/s but people with slow internet have problems with image 4+ MB). May be JPG format will be better for images of major updates? <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 06:19, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|+|Yes for JPG}}, I think It's important to keep the best quality available for an image. <div style="display:inline-block; padding:0px 15px; font-weight:bold; border-radius:3px; color:#32CD32;background:#2f2f2f;">[[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User_talk:SillyPingwins]][[User:SillyPingwins|<font color="ffffff" size="2px">Silly Pingwins</font>]][[File:Silvertrophy.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/SillyPingwins]]</div> 06:37, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:{{c|-|No for JPG}}. Both of those images have different pixels, so it's difficult to differ which one has the best quality. What tool did you to take a screenshot of the page? I use Firefox command called "screenshot --fullpage", The quality is amazing and gets the whole page (that includes youtube player, etc.). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 06:59, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:: Source images + Adobe Photoshop CC 2014 (+ plugins) + Adobe Illustrator CC (for best quality text) (especially for translations). Source code have all necessary links, buttons, icons ...It takes longer, but we get original page images. I know about "screenshot --fullpage", but screenshots this is not the original image. And if you have a problem with drivers (or setting) or you dont have any font, then screenshot will with these defects. I'm not saying that your screenshots bad, question was: '''for what upload 4MB images if you can upload small_size_excellent_quality_analogs (you can easily convert format)?''' <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 07:37, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
::: Didn't got any problem with it yet. Maybe you can do with that process but save in .png? Even being a 4MB file. The Triad Trinket infobox image is pretty big too (1.27mb). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:42, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:: Thanks for opinion. But I have not heard answer on my question. Well, here's the same image, but in different formats:
 
::*[[:File:User_Radist_Test2.png|PNG]] (1200 × 6375 pixels, file size: 4,63 MB)
 
::*[[:File:User_Radist_Test1.jpg|JPG]] (1200 × 6375 pixels, file size: 1,55 MB) <span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291">[[User:Radist|RADIST]]</span>[[File:Killicon conscientious objector.png|50px|link=User:Radist]] 14:01, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
:::Seems to be fine, but, as you said, you make mount those images via Photoshop, and if the image has transparency? .JPG does not handle alpha mask, but, I suppose the background would be there for that. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:46, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
::::So is the argument here that PNG doesn't compress as well as JPG? Because that's clearly true in the original example, the JPG is larger dimensions at the same filesize. One of the standard reasons to use PNG (as I believe it is here) is that the PNG format is lossless compression, so while it may have larger filesizes, there is no quality loss over the original. JPG is often used for the reverse, when size is a strong concern, for example when bandwidth is limited, e.g. mobile platforms.
 
::::The question of quality is obviously a moot point when the JPG image is graphically larger, it should be favored in that case unless the compression makes it unreadable. There is the additional concern of transparency, but that's not very serious.
 
::::In the end, 4 MB for a file should be a reasonably fast download. 100 Mb/sec gives you a painful 1.5 minute download speed, but for a large image (like a page-long update blurb) it's probably worth it. The main thing I would say is that in the case of already-existent images (update page images, e.g.) there's no reason to be taking a web browser screenshot, it's more reasonable to use the actual file. If that file is large, we can always convert it to an SVG. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 15:22, 1 March 2015 (PST)
 
  
== "Action taunt", "action taunt", "Special taunt" or "special taunt"? ==
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Is there a way to make it so we can edit using the Wikipedia Visual Editor? That would be a great way to edit easier. [[File:User_BrofessorBeta_SignaturePic.jpg|30px|link=User talk:BrofessorBeta]][[User:BrofessorBeta|<font color="328C9E"><big>'''BrofessorBeta'''</big></font>]] <small>'''('''[[User_talk:BrofessorBeta|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/BrofessorBeta|contribs]]''')'''</small> 16:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
  
I think it's pretty odd the uppercase on "Action taunt" that it is right now on the pages. But, according to the Mann Co. Store, all those 'custom' taunts are named "Special Taunt". Shouldn't be those called "Special Taunt" instead of "Action taunt", as it follows how it's written in-game? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:17, 2 April 2015 (PDT)
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== Error in the Wiki ==
  
== Safe Feature ==
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For some reason, there is a floating "more" just below the arrow next to "view history", is this supposed to be there?
  
Alright so, I've been working on translating here for quite some time, though sometimes, the pages I'm translating are fairly long, and it sometimes happens that by some stupid accident I lose a lot of progress.
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== Portal Wiki Down? ==
Is there a way we could like a "save" feature? Where you can see the wiki pages you are editing, or limit it so you can only have one save at a time, that would be sufficient.
 
What I want is the possibility to kind of have page in Limbo, so it is saved on the wiki, but not displayed. Then once you are done with it, you publish it. The thing is, I know there are
 
alternative ways to save your progress, like opening a word document or something, but it just seems like such a hassle. And of course you can't just leave half-translated/edited pages on the Wiki.
 
So i ask this: Would it be possible to get a button, like between '''Watchlist''' and '''Contributions''' that's like '''Work In Progress''' or '''WIP''' for short. I don't know, you  guys are the experts.
 
So.. what do you say? --[[User:Mrsirpotatohead|Mrsirpotatohead]] ([[User talk:Mrsirpotatohead|talk]]) 00:11, 3 April 2015 (PDT)
 
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: Unfortunately i don't think this is possible. As you said, the most you can do is regularly save it to a word document, otherwise you can leave a half-translated page on your user sandbox, then migrate it over to the main page. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 11:26, 3 April 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Any reason for community maps? ==
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For the last week, I've tried to acess the Portal wiki using the VWN link at the bottom of the main page. It appears to be down. Has this been happening for a while, or is it a new problem? Or, worse case scenario, is it not just down, but entirely defunct? [[User:Jboby1|Jboby1]] ([[User talk:Jboby1|talk]]) 05:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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: Regarding this, I can confirm that thePortalWiki is still down. Someone please fix. I know I'm not active at all on the TF2Wiki anymore but I'm a moderator over there and want to keep working on things. [[User:Sven|~Sven~]] ([[User talk:Sven|talk]]) 22:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  
I was wondering, why is there so many community maps on the Wiki? I don't think they should be here in the first place, since the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Policies#Community_websites|Community websites]] policy was taken (I know it was for websites). A lot of those maps, at least in my opinion, aren't that interesting. Not forgetting how bland/empty most of the custom map pages are. Of course that some maps were mentioned in some blog posts (like the Walkway) and some participated as a map creation competition, but I still think they shouldn't be as pages too. Since we're talking about community stuff, the [[Community mods]] should have a review too. While a lot of them are pretty interesting, I think it would fall to the same problem, although, there aren't many community mods in this Wiki as community maps, so I'm not sure about it. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:55, 18 April 2015 (PDT)
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== List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects ==
  
== black mesa items incoming ==
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I have started a list [[User:Mikado282/List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects|List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects]]. This is in part for my own interests, but also as an orientation for new editors. The intention is to make this [[Team Fortress Wiki:List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects]]. I would appreciated comment. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|talk]]) ([[User:Mikado282/To Do|To Do]]) 23:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
  
should we start making pages for the new black mesa promo items coming up?
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== TF2's Halloween Paintings ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:CwalkPinoy|CwalkPinoy]]''' ([[User talk:CwalkPinoy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/CwalkPinoy|contribs]]) </small>
 
: There's no confirmation that the items are going to be ingame. There's a number of promo items for games on the Workshop that have never been added to the actual game. If there ever is a confirmation/the items get added to the game, then the pages can be created. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:23, 10 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Should the Iron Bomber and the Panic Attack's stats be changed? ==
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First post here, but anyone know how to get the Halloween paintings images? Or do we already have them archived here or something? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1544349505 is the type of stuff I'm talking about. I've been looking for this image for ages, but just now figured out where I remember it from (in-game obv). Is it possible to get the picture? Or maybe upload start a wiki page about the paintings Valve made for Halloween?
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:If you mean the actual file used for the painting, you could extract its texture from {{code|tf2_textures_dir.vpk}} [[File:Killicon_baleful_beacon.png|45px]]<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS, cursive, sans-serif; color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  08:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
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::[[:File:Portrait 1 skin 1.png|Here you go]]. I believe this was a texture extract, but I can look it for you later. Enjoy. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  
Hello everyone. I'm weirdengi, new user to the wiki.  
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::: As far as an archive goes, there is no Category AFAIK for textures as such. I wish there was a Category for all textures organized by source (sounds like a ''Project'' to me), but as it is, the many images that have been uploaded are scattered in many different categories under [[:Category:Images]]. Were you only interested in the that one portrait?  Other paintings uploaded from from Mann Manor are in [[:Category:Mann Manor images]]. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' <small>🎃</small>🎃🎃🎃🎃<small>🎃  🎃🎃  🎃🎃</small>  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|talk]]) ([[User:Mikado282/To Do|To Do]]) 14:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  
What I want to talk about for today is about the Iron Bomber. You may be familiar to this weapon, it was added in the Smissmas 2014 Update.
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== Trivia related to original workshop description/names, as well "SFM Promo Images". ==
  
As you can see, the iron bombers stats look fine, but whenever you use it, the barrel would not spin due to unknown reasons by Valve. The stats should be changed by holding the mouse by firing 4 grenades at one that way it can spin, it will do extra damage with 4 grenades in one shot. The reload animation needs to get fixed, it looks like the Demoman didn't know how to reload because he's drunk. He needs to put one grenade, turn it and put another one in there, and so on.
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Hi, I've noticed an abundance of information regarding the original workshop submission since 2014 throughout today. For quite some time, information regarding the original workshop content weren't exactly valid trivia (save for a few, usually related to styles not included). However, I feel like most of these trivia related to the original desc/name should not be in here. I will separate them in each category, as well giving my view on each of them (if I support it, or not):
  
Hold the fire button and hold 4 shells until it fires.
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* {{c|Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery}}
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** {{c|+|This has been a standard for quite some time now. It makes easier to extinguish Valve-made content from Community-made content just by scrolling to the gallery. I agree in keeping it.}}
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* {{c|Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from Item Sets that were accepted officially (found on [[Item Sets]] only, does not count items that has the same theme, but doesn't have official item sets)}}
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** {{c|+|I agree on the addition only for actually fully-accepted item sets. The image can be from the SFM promo artwork (usually found on a Item Set collection from the Workshop), and the image should only be included on the related Item Set page, and should not be added to each individual item page}}.
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* {{c|Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from items that share similar looks / items that originated from a collection, but were not added as a full Item Set by Valve}}
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** {{c|-|This one I vote for no, there are a ton of cosmetic items that were made to go with Item Sets, that simply got their items added separately, or got only few of the items accepted. Right now, the Wiki has some cosmetic pages with these images, while a lot of other does not have. It's very inconsistent right now, and I feel like these aren't really needed, one can just visit the Workshop submission to see those}}
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* {{c|Addition to "SFM Promo Art" for any cosmetic item, not related to item sets or unofficial item sets}}
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** {{c|-|Disagree. Again, this is really inconsistent across the Wiki, majority of the cosmetic pages does not have SFM Promo Item related to the cosmetic, while some, do. An example of one that has is the [[Vampire Vanquisher]]}}
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* {{c|Trivia/Notes information regarding "This X Item was submitted along Y, Z items".}}
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** {{c|-|Disagree. In the past, something similar was made regarding to this, there were a lot of Trivia based on original item sets from the workshop, but all of those were moved to Notes instead. It seems now that there's a whole batch of trivia information about the same thing, mostly because new users added to the Trivia, and not to a new Notes section. I vote for neither keeping on the Trivia, or the Notes page, considering the dense amount of cosmetics we now have on TF2, it would be just too much to edit or to add it in. I have other suggestions to mention the other similar items}}
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* {{c|Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.}}
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** {{c|+|Add a section below the Update History that includes links to related items from unofficial sets, this is not needed for official sets since these already have a table to go with}}.
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* {{c|Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions}}
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** {{c|-|I disagree. This has been for quite some time not enforced as valid Trivia, but, it has been seeing a lot of amount of attention lately with the newer cosmetics. I think it's a bit of a stretch Trivia related to an item's original name, or description. Considering that those are community-created, the authors has any freedom to add what they want, while in-game... some names and descriptions requires changes to sometimes suit the game better, or to avoid copyright issues. Right now, there's way too much information regarding old workshop name/desc, way too much.}}
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* {{c|Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation}}
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** {{c|-|Disagree. This was rarely used in the past, and would only be used for few cases where no interesting voice lines could be used to a cosmetic, however, recently, a lot of the newer cosmetic pages have only the "blurb", and in most of times, it's from here where people make Trivias related to the original Workshop descriptions. I think it's better left without any quotation (in case no voice line was chosen), than to use the workshop "blurb"}}.
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+45% damage to players
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Please leave your thoughts below on what you think, do you agree with the suggestions I made above, or do you have another look on those? If you agree on all the purposed changes, please add a comment with the {{c|+|-}} (<nowiki>{{c|+|}}</nowiki>) attached to your comment, if not, add {{c|-|-}} (<nowiki>{{c|-}}</nowiki>) instead. If you want to simply discuss or suggest something else, please use the {{c|?|-}} (<nowiki>{{c|?}}</nowiki>) for that.
  
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Thank you. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 18:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  
-25 health penalty
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: I broadly support Gabrielwoj's comments, so far as they apply to Cosmetics pages, as long as it is understood that Cosmetics pages aren't particularly my focus. Hoewever,
  
Anyways, let's go on to the panic attack.
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:* {{c|Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery}}
  
The Panic Attack's shells doesn't go in there with the pyro. I checked the rest of the classes, and it did the same thing. We need to fix the reload also. We need to change the stats for this one.  
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::* {{c|+|I didn't mind this, and assumed it acceptable, and also saw it as incidentally promoting the successful projects (e.g., Frontline and Mayann). A can accept that some can see this being abused, but haven't experienced that myself.}}
  
+25% damage penalty.
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:* {{c|Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions}}
  
Cannot load 4 shells in there. (Which means you cannot put 4 shells and automatically shoot)
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::* {{c|-|I disagree. I didn't think this wasn't being enforced, I see such Trivia being deleted, and have deleted it when I caught it. Mind you, in this Event, I haven't monitored the new cosmetic pages, and I haven't checked the Jungle Inferno cosmetics for this violation.}}
  
Firing speed goes fast whenever your health gets low. (Just like the Escape Plan.)
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:* {{c|Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.}}
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:** {{c|-|I disagree. If I understand you correctly, you want to use such a section to show the relationship of items that were proposed as a set but set not released as a set.  I don't see this as important enough to mention anywhere.  If certain of such items are particularly famous, then links in See also could be sufficient. }}
  
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:* {{c|Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation}}
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:** {{c|+|I opposed a blanket prohibition of Workshop "blurb" for Cosmetics. OK, yes I may concede that using the Workshop "blurb" is an abusable "easy out".  While I do not care for whole cloth copying of ''huge'' amount of Workshop blurb, I strongly oppose any suggestion that the quotations draw from voice lines <u>only</u>; IMO, ''any'' Valve content is acceptable as long as it conformed to [[Help:Style guide/Quotes]]. As long as it is a good Quotation, it is far better than an unrelated Voice line. Note, my exposure to the use of Workshop blurbs (limited to maps) is to selectively crop the best parts. To put a fine point on it, I see no necessity that a Voice line be part of a quotation. Certainly, Comic dialog should be acceptable.}}
  
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: [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' <small>🎃</small>🎃🎃🎃🎃<small>🎃  🎃🎃  🎃🎃</small>  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|talk]]) ([[User:Mikado282/To Do|To Do]]) 14:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
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::Thanks for your views on it, very interesting takes.  
  
Do these weapon stats work? I will come back and receive your feedback and replies
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::To reply a few of your questions... The trivia/information about old name and desc has been scattered throughout a lot of pages, some even on the older item pages, while others in the more recent items. Example of an old item is... (well, it seems that was removed from time, it was on [[Scout Shako]] mentioning about the item's name and the original workshop description), while examples for new items are [[Athenian Attire]], [[Hephaistos' Handcraft]] and [[Olympic Leapers]].
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Weirdengi|Weirdengi]]''' ([[User talk:Weirdengi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Weirdengi|contribs]]) </small>
 
: This sort of thing shouldn't be on here. This page (and the talk pages in general) are for discussing wiki content. If you want to talk about weapon stats, go to the Discussions on Steam or the Steam forums. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 11:49, 16 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Useless Pages ==
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::About the See Also, I think it's okay right now, as you mentioned. However, I've seen some pages just putting cosmetic items that are from the same "hat type" or style, for example, [[Compatriot]], most of the links there on See Also are simply due to an item having an "eagle" on it. I think we shouldn't do that and only focus as how you explained to us. The idea of "Related Items" should probably not be added, but we shouldn't also add too much on the "See Also" section.
  
Not sure if this is the right place to talk about this as i'm relatively new to this wiki, but are some pages located in [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Category:Topics_covered_better_by_other_wikis this category] really necessary? Some pages only show items that came from a promotion and/or a link to another wiki. Wouldn't it just be easier to simply link this pages to their respective wikis or Wikipedia instead of creating a useless page? -[[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 22:11, 19 May 2015 (PDT)
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::I agree on your view on the blurbs. Although, I still see some pages which could have used quotes, but still goes with the blurb. I guess we could use the blurb for placeholders, until someone has a nice and creative quote to put it there. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
: I'd say they're fine. The purpose of those pages are to give a general view of the game. Though brief, its just enough to get a decent idea of what the game is without going to the respective wiki which would have too much info for someone who'd want to know about it in a very short time. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 05:14, 20 May 2015 (PDT)
 
:: The pages are also useful for showing which items are related to that game ([[Promotional items]]), as well linking to the store page of said game. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:56, 20 May 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Workshop link to community maps? ==
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::: The quotes are an attractive nuisance; nubeditors think they do a service by adding one. I had assumed that nubs were just slaping weak at best viocelines on cosmetics, using the blurb for cosmeticts I haven't seen. Is that new to the SF2018 Cosmetics?
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::: Sometimes the blurb is pretty good.
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::: Aslo, nubs, if you are using a blurb, there is no rule saying you have to use the whole blurb. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' <small>🎃</small>🎃🎃🎃🎃<small>🎃  🎃🎃  🎃🎃</small>  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|talk]]) ([[User:Mikado282/To Do|To Do]]) 04:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
  
With the new addition of Steam Workshop Subscribe method, do you guys think that a link for the page to subscribe to that map is necessary on community map pages? A wording different than the typical "The (item) was contributed to the Steam Workshop.", something like "This map can be subscribed at its "Workshop page" (With a link of the page on the quotation, but remove the quotation when decided to add into the pages. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 07:50, 3 June 2015 (PDT)
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::::I see. But we still can use quotes from Official Videos or Comics, I've seen those before. There's a lot of variations to use it too. But yeah, blurbs has the advantage of being quick and able to use specific parts of it.
  
== Halloween Spells Video Demos ==
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::::Yes, that's for the new SF2018 cosmetics, these are just an example, because there are several other examples throughout the Wiki.
  
So someone brought this up again and it was discussed before but no input so I'm going to bring it up again. Should we make videos or have images (or even gifs) of each halloween spells showcasing what they do/what they look like, etc. We've done it with Unusual effects already so why not with Halloween Spells? (And possibly taunt effects) Thoughts? [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 15:19, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
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::::I think we should get going with editing some of these stuff. So I guess we should start removing Trivia that originates from original Workshop name/desc, as well Trivia about "item sets"? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 09:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
: Taunt unusual effects have been done already. I don't know if HLMV supports it, unless various screenshots are taken of each frame of the spell animation. I'm looking through the game files to see how the paint works (if it is possible to find in items_game.txt, which I hope). If we're going to do the spells images for the paints, why not the footprints as well? Plus, videos for spells that changes voices and etc. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:48, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
 
::Something else: If you have an item with paint spell applied, you can see the paint splash icon fading as well. This can be helpful to get the HEX value of the first frame of the animation and the last, and then getting the difference of the hue from each and make the rest of the colors. I suggest using a mod to make the splash clear, though, the halloween paints are broken for now and it doesn't animate. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:07, 28 June 2015 (PDT)
 
::: Broken huh, is it not possible to simulate it the same way? [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 05:24, 29 June 2015 (PDT)
 
:::: I don't have any items with spells and I don't plan to apply any in the future. Well, there's this guy who made a video comparing the spells on a Gibus (Have all the spell paints except the Spectral Spectrum on BLU): [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-rm0ZGUHCY]. As you can see, some spells have their fading effect quicker than others. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 08:10, 29 June 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== GIFs for skins ==
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== Including "Action taunt" to each respective Class page. ==
  
On the IRC, Ashes and I came up with an idea of creating gif images for the skins to show how the wear effects the guns in visual appearance. The GIFs would also mean less images that would need to be uploaded, and would allow for editing of the collection pages to be easier and cleaner as they wouldn't be cluttered with so many images. Thoughts? Ideas? --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 12:24, 5 July 2015 (PDT)
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Hey, something that always bothered me is the lack of taunts on the class pages, currently, "Action taunt" are only specified on update Navigation tables, and on the Taunts page, however, I believe there should be a table for the taunts available for a specific class, as well all-class taunts, and perhaps minimizing some of the information found on [[Taunts]]. My suggestions are:  
:{{c|Disagree}} The page would be too cluttered with .gif images. And pages for each skin doesn't work either. Plus, way too big .gif gifs has their quality reduced, so the Wear for it wouldn't be very distinguishable, unless we go with .webm. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:33, 5 July 2015 (PDT)
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* Adding the information found on Taunts to each class page (the current table is fine, and could be directly exported to a class page, for example);
:{{c|agree}} I agree that we ''COULD'' have such a concept, however I think we should use formats that Wikipeddia uses, like '.ogg'. I have not tested '*.ogg' on mobile, but I know that '*.gifv' and '*.webm' do not work on Samsung devices, this would put the site lower on google, and that is bad. [[User:RobTheStarCollector|Rob, collects stars]] [[User_talk:RobTheStarCollector|But some people think I hold them.]] 11:03, 10 November 2015 (PST)
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* Rework the "Action taunts" section on the Taunts page to have a similar style table found on "List of Class cosmetic items".
:: After going back to this, i'll have to revoke my standing on this and disagree. As much as GIFs would be a clear understanding, this is a wiki after all. GIFs on one page would cause load time issues, especially for users with less powerful computers. Unless the GIFs are hosted on an external site by Valve/Wiki I don't think it will work out. NOTE, This discussion is kinda old now so its kinda... dead. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 11:08, 10 November 2015 (PST)
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Please leave your thoughts and suggestions below, thanks. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::I figured that was enough to revive this. Guess it's super dead now.[[User:RobTheStarCollector|Rob, collects stars]] [[User_talk:RobTheStarCollector|But some people think I hold them.]] 11:13, 10 November 2015 (PST)
 
  
== dont know if this is where to send it. ==
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== Team-Colored Styles section ==
  
Hey its me TheUnknownFireBoy, I have no idea if this is where i send stuff to help out the Wiki or something, But. Im doing it anyway. So had a few ideas on how to help the WIKI.
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Well, here's something else I've been thinking... There are some items that have a diverse amount of styles, but we currently do not show BLU color Styles. This is a problem for items like [[Duck Journal]], which we just see the default BLU skin, and not all the rest of the duck skins. My suggestion is the following:
  
1st = insted of pictures for the cosmetics try adding like a 3D view of it so we can spin the cosmetics around.
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* Modify the infobox template to include "Styles". So, for instance, Styles can show up at the infobox (similar on how it looks on [[Team Captain]] page), and differing by each team and style. In the case for Duck Journal, the styles available on the infobox would be: None, Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demoman, Heavy, Engineer, Medic, Sniper, Spy, Quackston Hale. I think it would be important to note when it's a style, perhaps by using a prefix "Style: ".
  
2nd = insted of putting decorated you can try to place the decorated weapons in the specific stock weapon place coz they are just reskines likes the decorated scatterguns for example the backcountry scattergun coz its a reskin it should be in the scattergun wiki page. Yeah i know there decorated weps they should be in the decorated page. BUT. Try putting the decorated quality in the spicific weapons page? my opinion.
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As we are already on the topic of the infobox, something I also suggest is:
  
And yeah thats all i have idea for the wiki.
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* Add support to non-team colored items for the Infobox Class/Styles section. There is currently a problem on showing off different models per class for items that are not team-colored. An example is [[Dead Little Buddy]], due to the lack of support on the infobox for such, the previews for class differences had to be added below, on the gallery section.
  
If you want to contact me or anything here-----> steam name : not available coz my profil does not appear anywhere.
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With these changes, I believe that the section about Styles could be removed. And only be mentioned in case the style is only affected by painting.
  
but here is my email.-----  Racershmoe@hotmail.com
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Leave your thoughts below. Thank you. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TheUnknownFireBoy|TheUnknownFireBoy]]''' ([[User talk:TheUnknownFireBoy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TheUnknownFireBoy|contribs]]) </small>
 
: 1. This was considered. However, making [[TFW:3D Models|3d models]] takes time, and there are ''way'' too many hats in the game. If you'd like to do this, I'm glad to help, but it's a serious endeavor.
 
: 2. You'll need to state this one again, with some better grammar -- I've no idea what you said.
 
: I'd discourage you from sharing your email on the web, instead people can post [[User talk:TheUnknownFireBoy|on your talk page]] or use [[Special:EmailUser]] to contact you directly.
 
: [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== MP3 Voice Lines ==
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== Something I don't get about clipping cosmetics. ==
  
As you know, the voice lines in TF2 are now in MP3 format instead of WAV. In addition to being much smaller files which would reduce bandwidth use, MP3 is also natively supported by every major browser -- unlike WAV, which requires a plugin like QuickTime. Would it be a good idea to replace all of the files with the MP3 versions? [[User:Steve the Pocket|Steve the Pocket]] ([[User talk:Steve the Pocket|talk]]) 11:41, 8 August 2015 (PDT)
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So, something that I don't get about one of the Scout's cosmetics is that the Flak Jack. You can't equip it whilst having the Weight Room Warmer equipped, I personally think that it would look better if you could equip both.
: Unless there's a particular space concern (there isn't), I see no need to degrade the quality of all the voice lines. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
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Here are some pictures of what it would look like, maybe they could just fix the clipping up in the back.
:: Apparently there is a new concern: Apple has officially stopped supporting QuickTime in Windows, which means browsers have started blocking it as "insecure". We should definitely strive to make all features of the site accessible to people who prefer to use software that won't give them viruses. [[User:Steve the Pocket|Steve the Pocket]] ([[User talk:Steve the Pocket|talk]]) 16:03, 23 April 2016 (PDT)
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[https://gyazo.com/4ec5cc3805bbbda51420a771422171fd Scout with Weight Room Warmer and without Flak Jack]
  
== "Class speed table" update. ==
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[https://gyazo.com/59933ca5ca87b90f84ce6b1ec8a2a5e6 Scout with both the Weight Room Warmer and the Flak Jack equipped] <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Rozeyy|Rozeyy]]''' ([[User talk:Rozeyy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Rozeyy|contribs]]) 30 December 2018</small>
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:This is for discussion related to the Wiki, please post your concerns about clipping cosmetics on the Steam Community Discussions. Thanks! [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px]] <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS, cursive, sans-serif; color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  17:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
  
The class speed table, found on the "classes" page, needs to be updated for a formatting error (inconsistent italicizing) and to add the speed boost from the Booties under the demoman category. I'm not sure how to do that, so I'm putting this out here.
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== Question regarding Wikitext source ==
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Don't|Don't]]''' ([[User talk:Don't|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Don't|contribs]]) </small>
 
: The template source is [[Template:Class_speed_table/Demoman|here]], and I don't know what italicizing problem you see. Try to add the booties change yourself, but if you get stuck, don't hesitate to ask. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Marketable Item listing ==
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Hello! I was wondering if it is possible to view the source of a Wiki page without editing it / locking it? Thanks in advance! [[User:Tocksi|Tocksi]] ([[User talk:Tocksi|talk]]) 20:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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:I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by "locking it", unless you're speaking of protected articles, in which case can only be performed by the Wiki staff. As for viewing the source of a page without editing, I don't believe we have a read-only mode for editing. Either log out of your account or open a new window in private/incognito mode as it does not preserve your browsing activity . . [[User:Wookipan|<font color="DB9C1F">'''Wookipan'''</font>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 22:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
  
On the item information tables we have each item listed on whether or not it is tradable and/or giftable. Why not add another listing for whether an item is marketable or not? A lot of older hats and some new ones cannot be put onto the market, while some can. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 18:20, 30 September 2015 (PDT)
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== The Wiki has issues loading images with special characters. ==
: I believe the rationale is that tradable/giftable is in the schema, so it's consistent. Marketable changes are server-side, and are much harder to track consistently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 14:26, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
 
:: No I'm not talking about adding the market listings, I'm saying if we should put on the infobox whether an item can be added to the market. Just because an item is tradable doesn't mean that it's also marketable. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 14:32, 9 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::: Ah, I was unaware that information was in the schema. If you're willing to add it; have at it. I can update the infobox if you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:40, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::: Edit: In fact, I think I'm right. There are only 12 items listed as "is_marketable". How do you propose to find out if an item is marketable or not? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:42, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::::I'm going to search through the market for every cosmetic & rare item that has a listing and compile a list. Then once the infobox is updated I will update every page to have the information. I think there should be disclaimers for most of the items explaining that unique versions are not marketable though. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 12:11, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::::: Hmmm, what about [[qualities]]? (e.g. [[AWP]], the [[unique]] isn't marketable, however [[genuine]] and [[strange]] are.) — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 12:35, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::::: Edit: Also, killstreak weapons are marketable. — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 12:36, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
:::::: The '''whole reason''' that we didn't add things like craftable was because they were too dynamic. We don't have any way of knowing when valve updates the marketable items list, so we don't know how quickly the information will be out of date. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 12:47, 13 October 2015 (PDT)
 
::::::: So no? This info can be useful sometime but If we can't update every time it can be a big problem (or not). — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 07:24, 18 October 2015 (PDT)
 
{{outdent|7}} Once again, it's a question of if misinformation is worse than no information at all. I'm of the opinion it is, that was the choice in the past (again, craftability), so yes, let's leave it out of the infobox. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 07:33, 18 October 2015 (PDT)
 
  
== Scream Fortress question ==
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Hey. So, a while ago I replaced the [[:File:Brütal_Bouffant.png|image]] for [[Brütal Bouffant]], and noticed that neither the direct link of the image, or the image on the page is being shown. Upon close inspection, the error code "{{code|Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/html/w/images/0/03/Brtal_Bouffant.png': No such file or directory...}}", shows that it's trying to find for the "Brtal_Bouffant.png" file, showing that it's not being able to read the "ü" part of Brütal Bouffant. I don't know if this gets fixed by itself over time, but the Brütal Bouffant page looks pretty messy with the error code. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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: Thanks for reporting this! I've deployed an update to the servers to fix this ([https://github.com/tfwiki/mediawiki/commit/7292aa5e7a017d154103d7dab5abcea118800744 exact commit, for interested parties; our new hosting doesn't have the en_US.utf8 locale]). Should be all sorted across the site now! -[[User:RJackson|<span class="modbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]] 02:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
  
I know since Scream Fortress 2013 we use the year as complement, but in the [http://www.teamfortress.com/history.php website] is used roman numerals (IV, V, VI, VII). So, why we can't use? — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 14:18, 30 October 2015 (PDT)
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== Inclusion of Steam Workshop's original name for the Cosmetic Item / Weapon / Map ==
  
:Dunno. I think it's because the community calls the Halloween updates Scream Fortress even though the 2009, 2011, and 2012 updates were called something different, and only at 2013 did Valve started calling it Scream Fortress for all updates. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 08:32, 5 November 2015 (PST)
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Hi. I want to make a small poll and know what people think about this subject. I'd like to know your thoughts on this. Do you...
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* {{c|+|Support keeping the original Workshop names on "...under the name", on the main summary?}}
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* {{c|-|Or you'd prefer the exclusion of the original Workshop names on the page, removing the "...under the name" section.}}
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Please leave a small insight and thoughts about your vote decision. Here mine:
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* {{c|-}} I think we should remove the name from the pages. We had previously decided to remove information regarding trivia to old workshop names (as well information about unreleased styles or other content). There's some Workshop names which are just codenames (Crone's Dome being "'''Loss of witches (Bastinda_2012)'''"), and some of them having phrases on the name (such as Insulated Inventor's "'''Insulated innovator: V wow this keeps happening'''"). Most of the time, the original names serve no real purpose, as trivia regarding the name are no longer being supported, and these are left just occupying unnecessary space on the page.
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Hopefully, with this discussion, we can decide in either keeping them or not, and resolve the confusion we are having at the moment. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  
== Community Strategy Project ==
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:* {{c|-}} I never saw aby purpose in mentioning their original workshop names, as ultimately Valve decides to keep the name or not of items (save for maps), and the name of the item on workshop is like really not that important - besides that, the viewer can check the original name himself, by checking the workshop page, so it's quite redundant to note that in the article. [[User:Goodjob|Goodjob]] ([[User talk:Goodjob|talk]]) 16:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  
For a while, community strategy pages have been kinda neglected. Pages haven't been updated since Gun Mettle, and some pages have even been left redlinked for years. Now, I am introducing the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Community Strategy|Community Strategy Project]], a place for strategists, guide writers, and the likes to meet up and give the pages the attention they need. If you have good gameplay advice, tips and tricks, or like writing strategy guides, then this is the place for you. Feel free to stop by and help out if you wish. --[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]] ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) 16:48, 7 November 2015 (PST)
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:* {{c|=|Equivocating 2}} Specific to mentioning the development name in the Lead. I wondered if the practice was grandfathered.  I did some checking, the form was established two months after the Workshop opened with the release of the first of the Workshop items.
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::: From the December 22, 2011 edit of BFD: 'The Big Elfin Deal was contributed to the game via the Steam Workshop, with the name "The Elf".'
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:: So, actually, its not like it is a new thing, in spite of my impressions or questionable recollections, or suggestions, otherwise. It really has "always been done that way."  But, Gabrielwoj makes some great points, some of the "names" are really unimpressive at best.  I don't think the old names are important, but maybe someone thought they were. But, we've chatted about this on and off for a few months, at least since it got cold, and no support for keeping them. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 04:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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:::{{c|=|Equivocating 3}} A candidate for keeping, which was deleted, was [[Monster Mash]], it is a notorious name IRL, but Valve had copyright reason, so thought, but maybe there real issue was style. IMO, much of the time, I don't care about the pre-release name. But I also don't care about detailed descriptions in the cosmetic leads, or detailed recapitulations of comics int their supposed Synopses.  23:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)  
  
== SO many 503 errors ==
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:* {{c|+|Strong support for keeping the original workshop names in the main summary}} This change is so tiny it barely affects anything, and I like seeing the original names; sometimes having their own little references or just giving an example what the name could have been, which is enjoyable to me as a reader. If we truly wanted to remove this small addition, all those sentences would be 'This item was contributed to the Steam Workshop' which seems lifeless and is just saying what's already in the infobox, which actually makes readability worse. The arguments above, the names sometimes being codenames or having phrases in them are pure cherrypicking and don't portray accurately what the original names usually are - we could always remove such names on a case-by-case basis. And of course, the argument 'just occupying unnecessary space on the page' is pointless as we are literally talking about just a few words here. '''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]]''' }''' 10:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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:::There's pros and cons on keep the original workshop names. The pros being: Sometimes it can be interesting, older names can be better than the new names, and it's also useful for those who make images (as most of the time, the folder name for a cosmetic is based on the original workshop name). Although, there's a few cons, such as: workshop names being changed after being accepted in-game (so it would require removal of the name in a future edit), workshop names with codenames (like Crone's Dome), or workshop names with actual phrases in it. Other issues that comes with Workshop original names is that it makes new users include trivia regarding the old name, which we decided to drop these types of trivia (I'd say the same for the publicity blurb, but that was discussed before, so). I kinda stopped removing the workshop names (I did for like 15 items, then someone asked to me why, and then I halted my edits), but I know some editors are removing when making improvements to the page. It's something that is still debatable, nonetheless. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  
I am getting 503 Errors '''every time''' I try to access a page on this wiki. I have to reload the page at least 4 times before I can finally access the page. Is this going to be fixed soon? --[[User:Joona|Joona]] ([[User talk:Joona|talk]]) 06:20, 26 January 2016 (PST)
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== The cache system is way too slow. ==
  
:Most likely not as Mousse is having a lot on his plate IRL. I also want to point out that the interface for those who don't know wiki markup is gone. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:37, 26 January 2016 (PST)
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Hi. The cache system on the Wiki, ever since it was migrated to MediaWiki 2.0 (I think, I just know that it the main framework was updated), has ever since been very slow. I tend to upload a lot of images, and a lot of times, I have to wait for days for an image to catch up, I almost can't ever check if my work looks good on the page, requiring me to check only when the image is finally fully cached. [[Crafty Hair|Here's an example]], an image I recently updated.
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<br><br>The problem is that the old image size from the previous revision gets used for the new image, and so it stretches very poorly on the page. Other times, the image seems to be properly sized, but still appears blurry in the page, as shown here on [[Weight Room Warmer]], which in case of that image, it was uploaded in 14:07, 22 January 2019, almost 1 month later and the image is still not fully cached.
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<br><br>And other times, the images doesn't properly update at all, as seen on [[Assassin's Attire]], some paint variant tables (that were uploaded around 16:37, 7 July 2018) show up the previous version instead. I'm not sure if this is a case of the cache or something else, but even when I attempted re-uploading the file, it didn't worked.
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<br><br>I remember I didn't had these issues on the previous MediaWiki. Would there be a way to improve the time for the cache system, or perhaps optimize it somehow? I've worked and been into other Wikis, and this is the only one which I see this problem happening. The Weight Room Warmer pic was just an example, but there's other images around the Wiki having the same or similar problems (some from old uploads, other from recent modifications). Thanks. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  
== I'm the new Korea Translator. ==
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== Documentation about Abuse Report and Bug Report on the Wiki? ==
  
Hello,guys :)
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Hi. I think the Wiki should have a page related to the Abuse Report system ('F7' key). I started to wonder if something was already covered, but apparently, the only mention of it seems to be on [[List of default keys]]. I also think we should document Bug Reporting as well. The addition to Bug Reporting could facilitate users who wants to report a game-breaking bug (for the [[Finder's Fee]] hat), although, I really don't know if in-game bug report system works for that. As for the Abuse Report system, we got pages for Coaching, the Workshop button on the main menu, Options, especially sprays, as well many other stuff. I think a page about it should be documented. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm the new Korea Translator.
 
So I am not good now...
 
''But I will try to translate for TF2 wiki.''
 
  
'''''Good Luck,Let's together'''''
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: If I understand you correctly, since the wiki has articles for [[Coaching]], the [[Steam Workshop|Workshop button on the main menu]], and [[Options]], <u>then, for completeness there should be [[Report Player]] ([[Abuse Report]]) and [[Report Bug]]/[[Bug Report]] articles.</u>
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: Technically, while there is a Workshop button on the Main Menu, the [[Steam Workshop]] covers the whole Valve interface rather than the MM button. And I don't see any broad "Options" article.
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:That said, [[Report Player]] ([[Abuse Report]]) and [[Report Bug]]/[[Bug Report]] do seem to be long-missing articles, as long as they focus on the ''Team Fortress 2'' interface, especially as a how to.
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:[[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC) 23:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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::I attempted writing a page for it, it's currently on my [[User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox|sandbox]]. I named specifically "Abuse Reporter", that's how the game calls it by the in-game tip that is shown on the loading screen. I haven't taken any screenshots related about it, but please let me know what you think. You may edit the page if you see any mistakes or that you think section should be rewritten. The page is currently a "stub", even though I haven't actually added the template. I was thinking about adding the information that the rules applied to the report has to be followed from the [http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ Steam Subscriber Agreement], but I couldn't find any info regarding if these reports are really complied by those same rules. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
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::: As far as content, I have no idea of anything to do with abuse reporting, so keep going. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 23:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
  
P.S Thanks for all translator
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== The new talk page layout ==
Pancake 09:12, 29 February 2016 (PST)
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I've noticed that some talk pages, mostly new ones, have this new, weird layout style which is way more different than the normal talk page. Example: [[Talk:Operation Memes vs Machines]]. Not only is this talk page laggy and annoying to deal with, but it also doesn't show replies half the time. I wanted to reply to a reply, so first I had to do some weird refresh magic to get the reply to pop up, but then when I finished my reply, the layout asked me to do "the captcha below," but no matter how many times I did it, there was no captcha. Does anyone know how to disable this, or are we just stuck with this?
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[[File:Pyro emblem RED.png|16x16px]] '''''[[User:BeingAwesom|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#f00">BeingAwesom</span>]]''''' [[File:Pyro emblem RED.png|16x16px]] <span style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#000000">''([[User talk:BeingAwesom|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#f00">talk</span>]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/BeingAwesom|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#f00">contribs</span>]])''</span> 03:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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: It should be removed soon. See [[TFW:Technical requests#StructuredDiscussions]]. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 04:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
  
== Competitive Matchmaking ==
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: FWIW, BeingAwesom, I did respond the Shadows topic that prompted this topic, my original response didn't show then showed until I fix a typo and hasn't been seen since. You can see my response if you search through the history. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 17:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
  
The beta is now open in an [http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tfcompetitive official group], and more passes are being distributed. I think it's time we start making the pages. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:09, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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== Promotional or Distributed? ==
  
:A second note: If anyone has a Self Made item, or a Community item, Valve says you'll have automatic access to the Beta. As Beta Access is currently limited to only a few hundred people, anyone who can get on would be really helpful. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 09:21, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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With the recent addition of the new templates for availability (great idea btw), I think it is about time that we 'clear up' the usage of "promotional" and "distributed". These terms, at the moment, seem to be used almost interchangeably on a lot of pages.
::Servers are really crappy (in random places) and there's barely anyone in queue, what more do you want? I'm happy to take screenshots of me waiting in queue if you like. [[User:Darkid|<span style="a.new">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="a.link">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="a.visited">Contribs</span>]]) 10:14, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
::: Images from winners screen and point distribution (gold, silver, bronze medals) would be nice. — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 10:32, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
:::: I could also talk with some people who have the pass to get those images. Right now I just want to get a basic skeleton going. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 11:59, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
::::: Unless we can gather exactly 12 people with sparkleness, this will be very difficult.  I only have a crappy screenshot of loading but nothing on winners (cause they left) [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 12:00, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
:::::: Maybe we ould get B4nny to help. He was one of the first 60 to get a pass. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 12:19, 3 March 2016 (PST)
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For example:  
  
I've just played one comp. game on stresstest. Here is screenshots for all that I've managed to snap: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/825002/TF2/tf2comp_stresstest2016-03-04.rar<br/>
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These are apparently promotional: [[Jaunty Globetrotter]], [[Jaunty Explorer]], [[Conspiracy Cap]]
Also, looks like comp. have unique loading screen. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 19:20, 3 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
Ok, few more notes. Also, I've got a screenshot of main menu with 'Competitive (Stresstest!)' button.
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While these are apparently distributed: [[TF2Maps Ray of Sunshine]], [[TF2Maps Charitable Heart]], [[Spectral Snowflake]], [[Gift of Giving 2016]], [[Public Accessor]], [[Thought that Counts]]
* Spectating after death restricted to first person only; you can switch between team members, but can't go freeroam or look at map from camera points.
 
* Looks like there's no class restriction, at least for now: at some point our team had 4 Scouts, and we was steamrolled by 5 Soldiers.
 
* Ragdolls and gibs are forced on, no matter what you have in autoconfig. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 11:27, 4 March 2016 (PST)
 
  
{{notice|There is a stress test today. Check the official Competitive Matchmaking group for the times.}}
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Personally, I feel that 'promotional' refers to something that got used for promoting something (duh) and acquire money from players. This includes mostly donation medals.
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'Distributed' (for me) refers to something that was distributed to the player for doing something specific (event, etc). For example, [[Titanium Tank Participant Medal 2017]] is a clear distributed item as it got distributed to everyone who completed the tour.
  
--[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 08:43, 8 March 2016 (PST)
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I know one could argue that "the player buying the medal is something specific" and "donation medals also gets distributed" or, on the other hand, "event medals always promote the event they are from", but why have two terms for the same thing? We should really make a line of some kind so it means something.
  
== For Weapons page, should we add Beta/Unused weapons? ==
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Exception could exist (as always), but if anyone has any other strong opinions on what should be what - speak up :o
  
I wonder, should we add Unused/Beta weapons into the weapons list. In my opinion, some people would maybe want to learn more info of the unused weapons, like the Nail Gun. I already know the pages exist, but I feel that it confusing that they are hidden in the pages of the wiki...
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And also: why are the words for 'distributed' so much different between pages for a lot of languages? That should really be streamlined, unless they are some weird languages that change on a case-to-case basis (even for single words, somehow).
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== Should we include the Item Kind twice on Graded Items? ==
  
== Famous People Related to TF2 ==
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Hi. I was noticing something in game... Graded items contains both the Item Kind + Grade on their descriptions, but these items also have an additional Item Kind right below it. Take for example this [[https://i.imgur.com/0ztKb2B.png picture]], we can see "Commando Grade Guitar" and "Guitar" right below it. Should we include this on each Graded Cosmetic Page? Additionally, this isn't the case while viewing an item on Steam Community, as seen [[https://i.imgur.com/4cJRUx0.png here]], only mentioning "Commando Grade Guitar" and nothing else. This looks like a bug, rather than a feature, but anyway, it's how it's in the game. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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: Does [https://i.imgur.com/bLbQ6AU.png this] count as mentioning it twice on the SC? [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 14:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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::Maybe. Also, good point. These Graded items doesn't have level in-game, but apparently show up in SC. The "Guitar" on TF2 is on the same string color as the Level in SC, now I know why it's mentioned twice, because the Level [#] doesn't show up in-game. Now we have two things to discuss, one the addition to the Item Kind, and this situation with Item Level and viewing on SC. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
  
I'm very new to contributing to this wiki and I recently just joined. Can someone explain to me why there are no pages regarding famous TF2 players (such as Youtubers) or in general those important to either the community and the game? Is there a rule against pages about people? It seems silly that the Official TF2 Wiki doesn't even have a page on GabeN.
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== Addition to "Community Market" under the Infobox Picture. ==
--[[ArguedOyster]] 14 April 2016
 
: This falls under the community website guidelines. We do not create pages of famous youtubers or even valve staff. The TF2 Wiki is here to document about TF2 itself. We also don't make pages for youtuber as it will be taken advantage of by others to advertise. We've had issues with the past with community TF2 websites abusing the Wiki for such a purpose and we'd rather not have that repeated again. So as it stands,
 
pages for Youtubers/Valve staff including "Gaben" are a no-no. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 19:14, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
 
  
== Merging tournament medals ==
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Hi. I've made a mock-up of what could be possibly added to several cosmetic/tool pages: [https://i.imgur.com/z2edATE.png i.imgur.com/z2edATE.png]. Clicking on that blue button will redirect the user to "[https://steamcommunity.com/market/search?appid=440&q=Diplomat Steam Community Market :: Showing results for: Team Fortress 2, "Diplomat"]".<br>
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Additional thoughts: I've made the button blue to be different to the one's seen like [[Merc's Pride Scarf|here]], which allows to buy directly from the Mann Co. Store (via browser). I've made a "simple fix", but it may be possible to technically include the price too, backpack.tf shows the price in the Community Market, so I believe it's somewhere on the TF2 API? Although, with this method, we would need to include buttons for all the different marketable qualities (the Diplomat, for example, has listings for both Unique and Strange versions of the item).
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<br>The button can also be worded like: "View available listings for the Diplomat on the Steam Community Market".
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<br>I find it lacking that we don't have a direct link to Market Listings for marketable items. Thoughts?[[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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:Additionally, we should include "'''Marketable: Yes/No'''" on the Basic Information as well, no? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
  
I wanted to ask about merging tournament medals into one page, or at least "categorizing" them into league pages.
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:: {{c|agree}} Great idea, that's my favorite feature on Dota Wiki. Alternatively, we could use the item's defindex (from GetSchemaItems) to return the listings instead (like this: [https://steamcommunity.com/market/search/?q=appid:440+prop_def_index:416 appid:440 prop_def_index:416]). Also, even though it's somewhat possible to return the item prices, I don't think it's a good idea, Market prices tend to fluctuate from time to time. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 23:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Right now there are dozens of tournament medal pages, all are basically more or less copy-pasted. The information on every single one is identical. It seems very reasonable to me to merge them all into 1 page where one has a good overview without the need of cloned pages. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]]'''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]'''|'''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}''' 14:06, 25 April 2016 (PDT)
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:::Nice, I was trying to figure out if there was an "index" or code that could be used. We can possibly obtain this info from a list of indexes or something, and the infobox directly grabs that information on the template (not requiring to, for instance, having to search by the item's name, like "&q=Diplomat"). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:09, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  
== group infobox images ==
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:::: {{tlx|defindex}} already exists, so it was simple to create a {{tlx|Buy now}} button that redirects to the Market (see [[User:Tark/BuyNow]]). Changing the [[:File:Btn buynow.png|background image]] requires additional permissions, tho. orz — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 18:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  
I was thinking that if a cosmetic has more than 3 classes it can be equipped on, it should just have a single class in the infobox.<br>
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:::::Looks nice. I suppose you dropped the "the" on "View listings on Steam Community Market" because it wouldn't fit? Also, we could just create another image if that's the case. I think it's really important to distinguish both Steam Community Market links from direct TF2 Purchases, as I believe there's going to be pages with both. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I reckon if you put 4 or more classes in the image, it shrinks it down way too much. What is everyone else's opinions on this? [[File:User Bojjob Userlink.png|link=User:Bojjob]] 07:53, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
 
:The visibility of certain details on a bigger image (because of more classes) depends on the size of the viewed item. It seems as this is already done for most items, there are only a few infobox images with more than 4 classes on it. I agree with your rule, better than the thumb rule we have now in my opinion. — shots fired by: [[User:Nikno|Nikno]] '''{'''[[User talk:Nikno|Talk]]''' | '''[[Special:Contributions/Nikno|Contribs]]'''}''' 08:00, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
 
::Yeah, coz with the all-father, I reckon it should just be a single class since putting 6 classes together would make it a tiny image [[File:User Bojjob Userlink.png|link=User:Bojjob]] 08:03, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
 
  
== An idiot Erased my work ==
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:::::: Should be "View listings on the Steam Community Market" now, thanks! Could you make a slightly different version of [[:File:Btn buynow.png|this image]]? — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 22:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Ve added the dead of Night and pass pin to the all class cosmetics list and some idiot has e rased that. I wAnna know way
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:::::::How different? I can make the 2 Steam Logos blue. I say blue as it's the predominant color on Steam Community. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Hat1|Hat1]]''' ([[User talk:Hat1|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hat1|contribs]]) </small>
 
:Read your talk page. <small>Also insulting me is not the nice way to talk with each other, right?</small> [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 06:18, 14 July 2016 (PDT)
 
  
== Removed Content Template ==
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:::::::: [[:File:Btn scm.png|How's this?]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Similar to the Beta Maps and Custom Map templates, there should be a template for content that has been removed from the game, such as the [[Saucers]], [[Mysterious Treasures]], and the recent removal of Quick Play.
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::::::::: [https://wiki.tf/d/2422438 {{c|done}}]. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 16:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
<small>''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Dr. Scaphandre|Dr. Scaphandre]]''' ([[User talk:Dr. Scaphandre|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Scaphandre|contribs]]) </small>
 
  
:I've finished and created a template that I think will do the job great: [[Template:Removed content]] --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 20:17, 28 July 2016 (PDT)
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:::::::::: Nicely done. Now, we just need two things: Add the string "Marketable: Yes/No", No shows up when there's no "| marketable", and Yes shows up when there's "| marketable" on the item's infobox table. The second thing is, we should add similar type of buttons for each [[Paint Can]], currently there's no option to purchase them (or to view listings on the Community Market). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  
== Should we make a new page for Heavy vs Pyro event? ==
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::::::::::: Also, with the inclusion of the string above, we need to find a way to specify which qualities are Marketable and which ones aren't. For instance, we can have the Marketable Listings on the Scattergun page, but that only applies to Strange and Killstreak variations... I don't know exactly how can we specify each... [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:25, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  
The event has ended, and we still did not included information about it. Atleast something on Meet your Match page would be good.
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== About plurals. ==
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So, about plurals... how do we specify when an item's name or kind should be pluralized? [[Robin Walkers]] are both shoes, and the name is also pluralized, so I can see why it was pluralized here. I've recently made an edit to [[Blizzard Britches]], to make it plural, as it's a pair of pants, and the name is in plural. However, I'm still unsure about the rest of the summary. In Robin Walkers, it's mentioned "They are...", while in Blizzard Britches, I still kept the traditional "It".<br>
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So, what can I do here? Should all pluralized names receive the "are/were/they" treatment? I can see pages like [[Shin Shredders]] still mentioning the item in singular. Also, should all items that are "a pair of boots", "a pair of pants", "glasses", be pluralized, despite if their names aren't, due to their kind? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Cosmetic Item floating "Bugs"... I think we should get rid of those. ==
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Hey. So... in some pages, there are bugs like... "When this item is equipped upon the Spy, it visibly floats in front of his lapel.". I wouldn't consider these as bugs, it's just how the model is positioned on the class. These type of "bugs" can be seen in pages like [[Operation Gear Grinder Badge]] (as well all the other Operation Badges) and a few others (I remember seeing on [[Power Up Canteen]], but it looks like it was removed already). I think we shouldn't list these are bugs, rarely this has an unintended effect (mostly when the {{code|hat}} bone goes to {{code|prp_hat}} on Sniper, which causes the hat to re-position a bit, but even so, it's very few Sniper hats that actually has this issue. As an example, the [[Wiki Cap]] on Sniper clips on the top of his head, most likely that the bone was transitioned from hat to prp_hat, so he could grab while doing his Melee Taunt, and the only hat I can think of now with an issue like this, is the [[Toadstool Topper]] on Sniper).
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<br>So, yeah, I vote {{c|x|No}}. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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:Definitely not a bug, it was specifically requested for our [[Tournament_Medal_-_Cap_that_Cup|Cap that Cup medal]] to be floating in front of the person so it doesn't clip with stuff like the [[Veteran's Attire]] on Soldier. It might be unintentional that it's so far, but it's definitely not a bug. I vote removal too <br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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::I will keep an eye on and remove any "bugs" related to this. I've seen other medals which were also made to "float" so it reduces clipping with shirt items. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Mann Co. Store extra descriptions ==
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Hey. So, I was looking around the Mann Co. Store, and some items have an extra description on them. For example, Something Special for Someone Special has [https://i.imgur.com/Llm4uV0.png this], while any decalable item has [https://i.imgur.com/xxZTwrl.png this]. Other examples come from [https://i.imgur.com/ZD62o6d.png paint cans], [https://i.imgur.com/oyLbUkm.png Backpack Expander], [https://i.imgur.com/cQpz027.png Name Tag], [https://i.imgur.com/GOrrCG6.png Desc Tag], [https://i.imgur.com/XVkbdFs.png Decal Tool] and so on. Should we include these more-detailed descriptions somewhere? If so, where? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Issues with Scream Fortress 2018 Item Icons. ==
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Hello, could someone please investigate why some icons for [[Scream Fortress 2018]] are not updating accordingly? As some of you may know, I've been making new Item Icons, and for the majority of the SF2018 items, none of the icons are being updated with the latest revisions. The following icons has been updated, but their icons never refresh to the current revision:
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<gallery>
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File:Item icon Hephaistos' Handcraft.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Hephaistos' Handcraft
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File:Item icon Athenian Attire.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Athenian Attire
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File:Item icon Olympic Leapers.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Olympic Leapers
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File:Item icon Dressperado.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Dressperado
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File:Item icon Gaelic Glutton.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Gaelic Glutton
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File:Item icon Mann-O-War.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Mann-O-War
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File:Item icon Defragmenting Hard Hat 17%.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Defragmenting Hard Hat 17%
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File:Item icon Deadbeats.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Deadbeats
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</gallery>
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These icons are the ones I noticed since I've updated them recently, but other SF2018 items may have been having the same issue (the only one so far with no issues was the [[Vampire Vanquisher]]).
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<br>
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As a side note, the Gaelic Glutton icon on the [[Demoman]] Cosmetic Items table is also stretched, this is due to a previous revision for the icon which was smaller. Ever after 2 changes (the first one to fix the size, and the second one which is a complete new icon), the icon is still having issues showing the current revision.
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<br>
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Thanks. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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:Seems to me that it's cache issues again. Similarly to this, some of the painted variants on [[Assassin's Attire]] aren't updating. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS, cursive, sans-serif; color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  18:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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::Updated once again. Highway Star seems to not even show the thumbnail, regardless of the revision. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 16:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::Highway Star fixed itself, but Deadbeats is another item with the same problem. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::Well, Highway Star is again not working, as well two new icons from the Summer Pack 2019:
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File:Item icon Highway Star.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Hephaistos' Handcraft
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File:Item icon Dancing Doe.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Athenian Attire
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File:Item icon Speedy Scoundrel.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Olympic Leapers
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</gallery>
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::::All the rest of Summer 2019 items are working just fine, it's just those 2 (+ Highway Star) that doesn't seem to be refreshing. While the Highway Star appears fine in here, it doesn't refresh on this [[Scream Fortress 2018|page]], and possibly others.  [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::::More icons:
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<gallery>
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File:Item icon Tournament Medal - Pugiklander.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Tournament Medal - Pugiklander
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File:Item icon Tournament Medal - EuroLander.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Tournament Medal - EuroLander
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File:Item icon Tournament Medal - TFArena 6v6 Arena Mode Cup.png|left|thumb|150px|frame|Tournament Medal - TFArena 6v6 Arena Mode Cup
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</gallery>
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:::::[[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Changing the titles and the name of certain items and item sets. ==
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Hey there everyone! I'm new to the translation section of the Wiki.
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I have a problem with the translation with the titles of some pages and items.
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The translation guide only says to add a DISPLAYTITLE on the top of the page, but the item doesn't change name.
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I noticed that if i add a
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| name        = NameExample
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in the item info section, I can change the item's name. But sometimes it says Template:Dictionary/items/nameexample
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Same thing goes for item sets.
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Is there someone who can explain me how it works please?
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I would be really happy! :D
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'''[[User:D-ray Ent.|D-ray Ent.]]''' ([[User talk:D-ray Ent.|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/D-ray Ent.|contribs]]) 29th of June 2019 20:18 CEST
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:Hello,
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:The wiki works with the [[Template:Dictionary|Dictionary]], here you can find all translations for items and other things. If you want to edit it, click on the "items" section, scroll down to the appropriate subsection and then edit it.
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:At the bottom of the page I linked is the documentation on how to use the dictionary. If you have any more questions regarding the dictionary and editing is, feel free to post it on the talk page.
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:Also please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
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:<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Regarding recent consistency edits ==
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In recent times, there've been some edits by [[User:Denied|Denied]] and [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] to improve the consistency of pages, but I'm don't quite agree with both the methods and the way of how these edits are made. For one part, the main three consistency points seem to be
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# Changing 'This item' to the actual item name
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# Removing the 'under the name' part in the community-created sentence
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# Removing the second Steam Workshop link in the community-created sentence
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While I agree with the last point, I still find the first two confusing and don't agree with them - the usage of 'this item' avoids the repetition of the item name which also improves the visual aspects of the article, since the sentences are usually placed vertically adjacent to each other. They also make it harder in languages such as German because it can be awkward to use the {{tl|item name}}-ified versions all the time. For the second point, just refer to the the [[#Inclusion of Steam Workshop's original name for the Cosmetic Item / Weapon / Map|discussion above]].
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What I ''still'' don't get though is how these consistency edits are appearing out of thin air, especially the first point. The only source of doing these edits is [[User_talk:Hinaomi#Changing_from_.22This_item.22_to_.5Bitem_name.5D|this talk page entry]] and it provides no reasoning for why to do this kinda thing, just mentioning 'consistency' which could always go both ways. The second point is even weirder, because there's the discussion right above, there's no consensus being reached and apparently it's still getting edited in (or rather, out)?
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Because in the end, I think we might actually create more inconsistency because I don't see all the pages getting updated, and especially not the translated versions of them. I'd love to hear your input.
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'''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]]''' }''' 20:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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:I'd like to keep "This item was awarded" instead of full name. I was adding them from the begging, but at some point [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] started adding full names, and becuse he's here longer than, I assumed he knows better than I. That's it. If it's neccesarry I can revert them back to "This item". About the "was added under 'name'" I think it's not necesarry to add them, because Valve was changing almost every Workshop item added, and now they're adding pretty much unchanged names straight from the Workshop, so adding them is kinda pointless. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 07:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't think reverting will be necessary, these kinda edits can be done when other parts of the article have to be edited as well, but I agree. For the 'under the name' thingy, I'd say that when the name is the same, we could either use 'under the same name' (as it's been used before), or just omit it. As I said in the discussion above, of course it doesn't make sense to ''always'' include the original workshop name, but generally it could be a good idea. '''{ [[User:TidB|TidB]]''' | [[User_talk:TidB|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/TidB|c]]''' }''' 07:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::: @TidB : I would have thought Denied's question to Hinaomi was rhetorical rather than supportive of the change away from "This item". I have always felt the abstraction serve the purpose of readability.  As for mentioning Workshop names, I've participated in a couple of discussions on this, but I am not going to try to locate them during my lunch walk. In them I think I was probably supportive of not mentioning the Workshop name unless it was actually notable, exceedingly rare cases to be sure, IMO. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 17:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC) [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 19:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)•
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:::: Sorry for the late reply, and I don't have much time so I gotta say this real quick. I don't mind if it changed to either way, just make them consistence with others. 02:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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== Please help me with Categories. ==
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Hello. Soon, I'll be doing Item icons for (hopefully) all Decorated/War Painted weapons. While I was checking categories for existing Item Icons, I noticed some inconsistency. In some icons, the following categories are set:
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<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>== Summary ==</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>[[Category:Item icons]]</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>== Licensing ==</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>{{ScreenshotTF2}}</nowiki>}}
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<br>
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But in some newer icons, the following are set instead:
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<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>== Summary ==</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>{{ExtractTF2}}</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>== Licensing ==</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>[[Category:Item icons]]</nowiki>}}<br>
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{{code|<nowiki>[[Category:Cosmetic images]]</nowiki>}}
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<br>
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So, I have a few questions. One, because those icons will be completely new, they should be "ScreenshotTF2", right? Because they won't be extracted from TF2's game files or anything, and will be, instead, made from scratch using HLMV. Two, should I add "Weapon images" category for the Decorated Weapon icons, too?
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<br>If "ScreenshotTF2" is the right license for that, I'll be doing a cleanup on some of the Item icons where it's marked as "ExtractTF2" instead, from all the Item icons where I made a newer consistent version (in Shugo Style). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Crate Depression ==
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What do we do with the Crate Depression? I've heard the following options:
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# Do nothing.
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# Mention it as a note on the [[Unusual|unusual]] page or the [[crate]] page.
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# Make its own page.
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From these suggestions, I would personally go with number 2, because I don't think it's enough to warrant its own page. Maybe make a redirect to said note. If you have any other suggestion feel free to bring it up.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]])
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:I select the second one. My idea is mentioning that some Unusuals are Untradable (on the Unusual page), and explain the reason why. I don't think we need to mention the title "Crate Depression", but at least explain why the Unusuals are untradable and perhaps include an external link to the TF2 Blog post explaining it. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: It was officially dubbed the crate depression, so maybe just a mention like "Dubbed "the crate depression" as a play on the great depression".<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 19:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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::: Still, I don't think we need to mention about the name. The name could be included on the "References" list as the title of the blogpost "Update on The Crate Depression of 2019", and that would be enough. The wording of the Note could be something like this: "Some Unusual items are untradable, as a result for a fix of a market-crashing bug that affected the game in July 25th, which resulted in some [[Crates]] having 100% Unusual chance drops upon unboxing them. Due to the sheer amount of Unusuals unboxed in that day, Valve has decided in marking all Unusual items that were unboxed from that day and from those specific crates as untradable, with the exception of the first one unboxed per Steam user.[1]". And then [1] redirects to the References section for the Unusual page, containing a link with the title "Update on The Crate Depression of 2019". [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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== UserTalk "Topic" pages are very broken. ==
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Hi. The new comment system, that were implemented for UserTalk pages (as well Talk pages), is really broken. Sometimes it's impossible to see the replies that people make. I just made a comment on a Topic which I can't view my own post. Another issue is that you can't put URLs on these posts, otherwise it'll ask to complete a CAPTCHA that does not appear on the page, so I had to replace the dots into "(.)", just to bypass the URL detection. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:20, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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:I believe the solution to not seeing new answers is to go to the talk page itself (usually it's just looking at a topic, just click "read" or "discussion") then refresh, this worked for me. But yes, we've all already voted to take this new system away. It seemed better, but it ended up being worse. You can't even use "show preview" either. RJ should be removing this asap, but it's tricky because it might delete stuff. <br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 23:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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== "Main article: Item set" under == Item set == ==
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Is it possible to add "Main article: Item set" under == Item set == like it's done with == Painted variants == that adds "Main article: Paint Can" under it? [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 18:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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<nowiki>{{main|Item Set}}</nowiki> I guess? Turns into<br>{{main|Item set}}[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 18:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Yeah but you need to add it manually. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 05:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: Discuss it on the [[Template talk:Set|talk page]] I guess?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 10:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Inaccuracies regarding beta content? ==
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I'm a sucker for TF2's beta content. I love it, but there is a ginormous amount of inaccuracies regarding them. Stuff like Demoman's Beta Head, which in reality is just Marphy Black's Blu Demoman Head from a Beta Demoman mod he made in 2009. Can we please also add stuff like the Trigger, the Incendiary Cannon particles, the Badlands Models and more?
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== About Discords on tournament pages ==
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A Discord server requires an account to visit, personally I think it shouldn't be included on tournament (medal) pages, but rather have other sources like Steam or a reddit post. There might be an exception if it's linked in the "External links" section, and mention that you need an account for it. I don't think it falls under advertising (because the entire page is basically advertising then). Options I can think of are:
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# Remove all Discord links, no exceptions
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# Remove all Discord links, except the ones in the "External links" section of the article
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Personally, I go for 2.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 10:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:I'd vote for option 1, but option 2 sounds good aswell. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS, cursive, sans-serif; color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  10:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::2, yes. We could possibly add something similar to <nowiki>{{citation needed}}</nowiki> but it's "account needed" instead. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::: So just like, <sup>account needed</sup>?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Option 1. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 15:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::: 1st option. As I stated on [[Talk:ARG#This page is full of external links, some that seem untrustworthy.|Talk:ARG]], all external sources should be accessible at all times without the need to register in order to view the content. I'll write a policy in regard to this sometime in the future. [[File:User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png|10px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User:Wookipan|<span style="color:#db9c1f">'''Wookipan'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 17:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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== Should we note when Cosmetic Items fall on the ground? ==
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Heya, so... I've been thinking for a while, I don't think we have any information regarding Cosmetic Items falling to the ground when a player is killed, do we? Not all Cosmetic Items fall from the ground, mostly hats are the ones that does, however, there's some exceptions, like the [[Cold Case]]. Should we add a line saying that, for example: "The Cold Case falls from the player upon death, and remains on the world for a few seconds", or even a more simple route, just a "Category" on the page for "falling cosmetics", huh? For Cosmetics that does not fall to the ground, we don't need to explain anything, if anything, a category for "non-falling cosmetics" could work. At the moment, we have category for Paintable items, Jiggleboned items, and so on, so I wouldn't see an issue with "falling" cosmetics too. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:47, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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== Regarding pages on custom maps, competitions, MVM missions, and such ==
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<br> Discussion moved here from [[Talk:Custom maps]]. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  11:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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Seeing as how the question of custom maps being included has caused nothing but vulgarities and personal attacks, I would like to put forth a discussion about whether or not unofficial custom maps should stay on this Wiki at all. We have no ways to determine whether a map is to be considered ''worthy'' of having its own article or not. On the other hand, they also don't have much significance to TF2 itself other than their usage on some community servers. Most of them have their own pages and such whereever they're uploaded anyway, be it GameBanana, TF2Maps, or something like that. Personally, I'm for removing all the custom map pages on the Wiki. Please leave your thoughts below. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  19:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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:I'm unaware of the vulgarity or personal attacks, but I can see this happening (I saw a while ago someone who was banned for adding offensive content to their UserPage, but I'm unsure on what was that about). In the topic of personal attacks, the Trivia on [[WelcomeToMyMine (mission)]] regarding the two Mann Up players could be classified as an attack to them, regardless if you see them as "toxic" or not. In any regard, I don't think the Wiki should specifically mention users for their actions, as it's done on WelcomeToMyMine page.
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:Because these maps are custom made, it's very easy for someone to add a reference on the map for something, just to be featured on the "Official Wiki".
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:In conclusion, I vote for removal of custom maps. Since we are in the topic of "user-created content", we should also remove [[Wallpapers|user-created wallpapers from this page]]. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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::I agree to removing the unofficial wallpapers as well. The userpage that was deleted for ''offensive content'' was throwing shade at our admins/moderators and some other editors (if I recall correctly, please don't take this as a fact). The reason they were so upset was that the page for their custom map was deleted or something like that, for which they held a grudge for over '''three years.''' Custom MVM missions should also be purged, along with pages about TF2Maps contests and community events (like Canteen Crasher), as they are of no relevance to TF2 in the Official Wiki. If a map was made official because it won a contest (as is the case with [[Mountain Lab]]), it can be mentioned on the page of the map itself. Custom map pages and MVM missions can be moved to the userpages of their creators, if they wish to keep them.
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::The trivia you mentioned, ''"GuYs lOOK i CaN CaRrY" and "The carrier's pocket slave" references the user BrutalPizza and Trickstabber. They are known for their toxic behaviour and are notorious for kicking new players frequently. At times they can be seen in the tour Two Cities when in Mann Up. Experienced Mann Up players encourage players that aren't close to them to never play with them,'' is definitely overboard. There is no room for personal attacks on the Wiki, ''especially'' not for personal attacks that link to their Steam profiles. I have removed it from the page. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  06:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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::: It seems that the discussion isn't only about custom maps anymore. Please move it to the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion|main wiki discussion]].
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::: I'm not against removing bad "articles", but this approach of deleting everything seems harsh. I've personally seen articles on custom MvM missions used to help coordinate players on some Potato's servers.
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::: One thing we can't deny is that Valve's support isn't here anymore, you can't use "this is community-created content" as an excuse anymore. Whether we like it or not, community content is what's keeping the game "alive". — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] [[Help:Group rights#Moderators|<span class="locbg">lm</span>]][[Help:Language_translation|<span class="locbg">(pt-br)</span>]] 10:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::: If we are to keep articles on custom content, how do we decide whether something is worthy of having an article or not? Many custom map pages are nothing more than an infobox, a few images, and a line or two of text. Do you think we should keep those? What about pages like [[Construction Theme]] that are of barely any significance? I agree that custom MVM mission pages can be useful, but I don't see any reason to keep custom map pages to be honest. Perhaps we can keep the custom MVM missions if the pages adhere to certain guidelines, to avoid ending up with unfinished low-quality pages, like we have with custom maps. Keeping some articles and deleting others without coming up with a set of requirements for them might come across as picking favourites, in my opinion. Please excuse me if my messages look like an angry rant, I didn't get much sleep and I still haven't had my morning tea. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  11:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::There's been a lack of solid guidelines in regard to custom content on the Wiki, and it appears that those guidelines never were written down and that the current criteria is inconsistent. To my knowledge, such guidelines weren't needed at the time as it wasn't of much importance, but due to the recent highlights of the subject something needs to be done about it.
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:::::I wouldn't be entirely against removing all custom maps, though it would be rather unfortunate, as some of them (like Tark mentioned) does have some sort of value in terms of coordination/documentation. Perhaps if we were to write a policy on custom maps we could determine whether a map has enough significance to be allowed to stay/removed, though this would send us back to square 1, so it needs to be done right this time.
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:::::While the page for user-created wallpapers doesn't contribute much besides being a place where users can share their wallpapers with the rest of the community, I don't see any reason to delete it; it's merely an easy-to-access page that provides the users of the Wiki (or outside the Wiki) with high-res wallpapers, and yes I'm aware most of those wallpapers can be found on TF2's website as well.
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:::::Regarding that trivia entry, I'm honestly surprised that no one has caught up on that until now. Naming and shaming is definitely not allowed here on the Wiki, and I sincerely apologize if any witch-hunts occured against anyone mentioned in the entry. [[File:User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png|10px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User:Wookipan|<span style="color:#db9c1f">'''Wookipan'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Wookipan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wookipan|contribs]])</small> 14:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Basically what Wookipan said, except that I don't know of any maps that should be kept. There's also the comp wiki for any comp players out there looking for competitive maps info, and they can probably cover it better than us. I'm all for custom stuff on the wiki, but it does need some guidelines. (Also the criticism directed at the wiki for not deleting [[Netherlands]] was completely unjustified as I'm 99% sure it just wasn't noticed)<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 15:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::::Well, now knowing a bit more on what happened, I'll give my thoughts regarding custom maps being on the Wiki or not. I vote for keeping only custom maps that has been from a community-contest, a campaign (like potato.tf ones), or has been mentioned on the official blog (such as tr_walkaway), as well maps that are the "non-halloween" version of official maps, such as [[Gravestone]]'s original map [[Rumble]]. Maps that haven't been in any competition, community-content or anything, discard. For example, I don't know why we have [[Final Destination 2015|this map on the Wiki]]. However, there's some pros and cons. I think we shouldn't remove all the custom maps because of the vulgarities and the events that happened recently, but we should take an action on the most logical decision, this is an Official Wiki, so having a Custom Maps section is sure questioning for some. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|7}}Keeping some custom maps wouldn't hurt, I guess. As long as we make sure that we write down a set of requirements for the maps that are to be kept on the Wiki, and stick to them. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  17:41, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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:: In patrolling, I have seen a few pages about ''unreleased'' Custom maps deleted for non-notability (I use the qualifier "unreleased" out of necessity, since the wiki uses the term both [[:Category:Custom maps|broadly]] and [[:Template:Custom Map Nav|narrowly]] to mean ''released'' Custom maps). Among the comments was the argument that an unreleased Custom map needed to have at least placed in a map competition; a problem here is that the only competitions that can result in a Custom map winning but remaining unreleased are unofficial, and so, arguably out of the scope of the official wiki. ''That said'', I accept other editors (seemingly?) accepting such maps from such competitions. 
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:: There are a few non-competitive maps that are more notable and influential than "contest winners" in so much as not only are they played much more often (at least historically) than the "contest winners", they have spawned many variants in the community. I am thinking specifically of [[Achievement Idle]], [[Trade Plaza]], [[Orange X]], and, maybe, [[Trade Minecraft]] (popular, but no article, yet). If we have accepted articles discussing [[Glossary of player terms#Achievement server|Achievement servers]], [[Glossary of player terms#Idle server|Idle servers]], and [[Glossary of player terms#Trading server|Trading servers]], we could justify having articles about popular maps on those servers.
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:: A personal issue I have with the state the unreleased Custom maps pages is that many if not most of them are [[:Category:Stubs|Stubs]] that have remained so for years. IMO, these stub tags pollute the Stubs category, possibly discouraging work on higher priority articles. This is why I created [[:Category:Custom maps unreleased stubs]], which I need to finished populating (I was hoping a new editor would pick it up). These are the general rules I have applied or seen applied:
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:: '''Criteria for accepting articles on unreleased Custom Maps:''' Should qualify under one or more:
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::* Exceptionally notable in its own right; e.g., [[Walkway]], [[Trainsawlaser]](?) (There was another one I thought I saw mentioned, that was sort of a prototype for some game mode or other)  IMO, there is nothing wrong about having discussions on notability on individual maps like these. Mind you, I could imagine that what is notable to the present set of active editors could be quite different from other player.
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::* Very popular, presently or historically, both in playtime and derivative maps; e.g., [[Achievement Idle]]  ([https://teamwork.tf/community/map-stats#topavgplayerofficial Map Statistics] as a measure? Is there an archive?)
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::* Normal versions of ''released'' [[Halloween map]]s, Invasion maps, etc.
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::* Contest winners; e.g., Canteen Crasher stuff, but then there is the matter of which contests are worthy ...
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::* Mention in multiple "game journals of record"; (I have no idea what those journals may be, just spit-balling here)
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::''and'' be reasonably complete/stable (placing in a competition is a reasonable measure of completion): the map should ''not'' be just something that someone is working on. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 22:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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::''and'' conform to [[Help:Style guide/Maps|Maps style]]. [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' oOOOOo oo oo  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 01:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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Surprised this topic has come up again. It's probably worth noting that we've been stuck on this for a while now. Also for other third party content entirely like 3rd party websites. I gave up and started the discussion that lead to the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Policies#Community_websites]] policy. If it's becoming a problem again it might be worth considering something similar. I have no input on the matter personally because I'm only experienced with custom maps in the sense of server rotations and numerical/prop related stuff. My suggestion with things like this - and kind of more in line with the wiki mission - is if you go this route, prefer to translate the pages into useful general documentation of the modding support where you can, and note omnipresent community stuff where needed. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Regarding mechanics that are only found through community-made stuff. ==
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So... a while ago, I added a mechanic featured on the Huntsman that, when upgraded with Projectile Penetration upgrade, it can penetrate enemy's Projectile Shielded Medics (a trait that only happens with the Huntsman, as other weapons, upgraded or not, does not go through the shield). While this is true, I don't think there's Robot Medics with shields on official maps or missions. So, what can we do about this? Should we detail as an Unused content on the [[Projectile Shield]] page? And explain from there what can or cannot penetrate the shield from there?<br>
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I think the latter should be the more ideal way to explain on the Wiki. We already have information regarding the unused [[Vaccinator]] shields being unused only on official maps, but they still work 100% on community-made missions. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:29, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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:That's actually quite interesting, and I feel like explaining it in the Unused Content section would be the best course of action. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  14:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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== Categories for translated picture files ==
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Here are 2 translated pictures which are used on [[Mechanics/zh-hans]]. But I don't know if I should add "zh-hans" to their categories as well. <br />
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Please let me know which way is correct or better, and I will do the same for other translated pictures in the future.
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* [[file:Damagefalloff_zh-hans.png|120px]]
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* [[file:CritHitChance_zh-hans.png|120px]]
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[[File:User Dereko Name.png|75px|link=User:Dereko]] 10:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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:The [[Help:Language translation|Language Translation Guide]] says that the language code should be added to categories, but it doesn't mention anything about files. I think it's ok to add /zh-hans to their categories for now. If it turns out that it's not supposed to be done with files, then we can just remove it, no problem. [[File:Killicon flaming huntsman.png|75px|link=]] <span color: #333333">'''[[User:VasyaTheWizard|VasyaTheWizard]]'''</span> <sup>([[User talk:VasyaTheWizard|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/VasyaTheWizard|contributions]])</sup>  10:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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{{Quotation|'''Dereko''' is thanking '''Vasya''' for help, with good cheer.|Thank you!|sound=Medic thanks01.wav}}
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== Madness vs. Machine content on the wiki  ==
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With the imminent launch of Madness vs. Machines, I suppose it's time to discuss about this project that involves adding Madness vs. Machine content. Currently, several people (also from Potato's Custom MvM Servers), including myself, are making mission infoboxes such as this one [[Template:Mvm_mission_Covert_Compromise|this mission (which is of course, made by yours truly)]], as well as their respective pages (be it missions or maps). This is why for the past few weeks, there's been custom MvM-related activity going on.
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As of writing, ''over half of the mission infoboxes'' (which is one of the most tedious tasks in making an MvM mission page) are already finished (and hopefully matches the quality of those used by official missions), which is significant compared to previous events hosted by Potato's, where their pages on the wiki are incomplete or missing. I personally intend to complete this project ''before 2019 ends'', despite its large scale. I am also aware the dispute of whether or not custom MvM content should even be included in the wiki in the first place, but since too much progress has already been made, the project is better off being continued.
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Since this project wouldn't go unnoticed, I do want to ask any guidelines or advice regarding the implemention of custom MvM content, as simply putting all of it here without a word will certainly cause misunderstanding, one way or another. One possible issue that I do want to focus on is whether or not custom MvM content should be separated from official MvM content in regards to categories.  --[[User:Bot Rot|Bot Rot]] ([[User talk:Bot Rot|talk]]) 15:52, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:This is related to the custom content on the wiki stuff, we can't speak for that yet because staff are still discussing it, but it's best to keep it on your user space for now so you can reference it anywhere you want. And if it turns out it won't be allowed, you can simply keep it there. If it will be allowed, we move it there.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 16:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:: Two weeks have passed, and while we've ignored what you said, there has been no interference on the ongoing addition of Madness vs. Machines content (which are actually done by content creators for Madness vs Machines including myself). If possible, I would like to hear the final decision regarding custom content on the wiki, along with advice on the do's and don'ts. --[[User:Bot Rot|Bot Rot]] ([[User talk:Bot Rot|talk]]) 09:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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::: I can't speak for the wiki, because I am not staff. But the discussion about custom content was going on before Madness vs Machines happened, so I'd suggest you just wait for that to finish instead. <s>Or ignore what I say again if that's what you like to do</s><br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 09:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Inconsistency among Halloween cosmetic/item set pages ==
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* On the page of [[Squid's Lid]], there is an addtional line in "Item set" section leading to [[Item sets]], while on [[Vampiric Vesture]] there isn't.
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* Different descriptions for the image in "Gallery" section:
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File:Steam workshop thumbnail for dr. acula.jpg|Steam Workshop banner for the Dr. Acula set.<br />(from [[Dr. Acula]])
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File:Cursedcaptain workshop.png|The image that accompanied the item set on the steam workshop.<br />(from [[Cursed Captain]])
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File:Steam workshop thumbnail for the sun king.png|Steam Workshop thumbnail for the Sun King set<br />(from [[Sun King]])
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Dereko thinks it's neccessary to unify them , what's your opinions?
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[[File:User Dereko Name.png|75px|link=User:Dereko]] 08:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
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: Personally I think it should be only "Steam Workshop thumbnail for the [set name]", because that's what the regular pages follow too.
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: The first point is because it got recently updated in the Item set template itself, so just remove any instance of that.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Broadening the definition of Event ==
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... or something like that; maybe "[[Holiday]]".
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Folks on IRC seemed reluctant to start an article to cover the on-going Halloween celebration. Generally, IIRC, the opposition was that we can't start an Update article until the Update is released.  I was never proposing writing anything about the expected Update. (Why would I suggest that? There is nothing to write about.) Others suggested that there was no event yet because there was no Update yet (cf. [[Scream Fortress IX]]?).
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As far as an example of us starting an article to report activities ''before'' any actual Update, I offer the example of the [[Jungle Inferno Update]]; that article was started with the first Blog Post on the 16th, the Update didn’t occur until the 20th. All of the Halloween update articles cover ''both'' the Update Patch and the Event. I am not saying to report on anything that has not happened yet, only report on what is actually happening. I am not saying to have some half-ass incomplete article, I am saying to have something that completely covers what is known, rather than ignoring it because it is different than what we expect. We seem stuck on calling something an Event only if it starts with a Patch (admittedly very clean and convenient definition), in spite of knowing features of Events can start and stop without Patches. 
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What we know: {{md}} There was an in-game announcement. {{md}} Halloween-restricted cosmetics were activated immediately (We used to call '''''that''''' a [[Holiday]]!) (That used to be ''all we had'' for Halloween!) {{md}} Soul Gargoyle kill counting started. {{md}} Past Halloween maps were added to the Casual menu.  {{md}} There was an assurance made that there will be an Update with contracts and new community content.
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What we don't know: {{md}} When the Update will happen {{md}} What valve will call the Update {{md}} Whether the  content will be maps or cosmetics or anything else.
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We also know people have come to the wiki looking for some idea what is going on (why haven't I gotten a Soul Gargoyle yet?) and only see us ignoring the Event.
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This pattern of Holiday is likely to be repeated, and we should consider how to handle it.
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I say, pick a title, knowing full-well that Valve can pick its own later.  I suggest [[Scream Fortress 2019]] simply because that is close to the pattern of recent event. Maybe you prefer the title of the announcement? You know what, if that title doesn't work out after the actual Patch, we just change it, this is a wiki, wikis work like that.
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All the content it needs is just the facts, especially details we have seen that were not covered in the announcement. Nothing more than "On October 2, Valve announced in-game that "Halloween has begun!" On that day, [[Holiday#Halloween|Halloween-restricted cosmetics]] were activated game-wide and [[Soul Gargoyle]]s started counting souls on all maps. Past [[Halloween map]]s were also added to the Casual Mode menu. [[Halloween Contracts]] have not been activated yet and Soul Gargoyles have not yet dropped to new players. No date has been indicated for the Contracts or content Update."
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[[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' <small>🎃</small>🎃🎃🎃🎃<small>🎃  🎃🎃  🎃🎃</small>  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 02:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Major updates and content packs ==
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Hi, I'd like to bring a new topic - as the title says, it's about major updates and content packs
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TF2 is in a cycle where the only updates it gets is holiday-based updates, and their features are as it follows - New cosmetics, few bugfixes, and in case of halloween some non-permanent maps and the same set of contracts with minor changes to it.
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<br>The issue here is that any holiday update - be it Smissmas or Halloween (or even last summer "update") is considered a major, when it is clearly not, even if Valve may say otherwise - I've also wanted to add that I'm mainly speaking of recent updates (those being from Meet your Match update in 2016 up to now) but not all the other previous holiday updates and such necessarily, as say Smissmas 2010 could be considered a major update, and this is where I get into another thing I want to bring up - just what should we consider a major update and a content pack?
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First, let's start off by defining major update - In my view it is an update that fullfills the following criteria:
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There are of course some exceptions to this: [[Blue Moon Pack]] could be considered major since it did impact gameplay via its balance changes, it did introduce several new features/quality of life improvements and reworked an entire competitive mode, at least certain aspects of it. However it did not add permanent content, other than cosmetics. Other exception would be old Smissmas updates, for example [[Australian Christmas|Smissmas 2010]], as it did add new gamemode + map (so new permanent content), weapons and some balance changes (which impacts gameplay), added new features/quality of life improvements (itemtest and associated things with it, an ability to expand backpack).
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And to finish - I would and we should not define an update off what Valve says, as in actual reality what Valve considers major is not really reflected in what the update in the question features.
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<br> tl;dr: We need to start marking updates as content or major update by their merit/features and not by what Valve says; We should change/reevaluate recent updates (starting with Halloween 2016 up to now) to whether they are major or just content packs, as well as clearly define as to what we consider content pack and a major update. [[User:Goodjob|Goodjob]] ([[User talk:Goodjob|talk]]) 14:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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: I would also want to add how [Patches#MU]] and [[Patches#CP]] are categorized differently than [[Template:Major_Updates_Nav]] (both Nav and patches page should show same things). If we want to categorise updates like Valve does we can use [http://www.teamfortress.com/history.php] and then put every other update in Content Packs. Also about newest "Major updates" : Smissmass 2018 isnt considered major by Valve and it added same ammount of content as normal content pack (1 case, that's it). Scream Fortess XI is even worse, it wasn't even mentioned on TF2 Blog (only in updates tab). Every "major update" since Jungle Inferno added ONLY community made content (excluding 2 Valve made taunts) such as temporary-Halloween maps, cosmetics, unusual effects and warpaints.<br>[[Image:Killicon_hhg.png|15px|link=User:Fiat Seicento]][[User:Fiat Seicento|FiatSeicento]][[Image:Killicon_hhg.png|15px|link=User:Fiat Seicento]] 14:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento
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:: I think y'all have seen me circling around the same topic on a different tack. Distinguishing  [[Holiday]], [[Halloween event]]/Scream Fortress, <o>[[Halloween mode]]</o>, and Major Updates. Valve, on occasion at least, calls Halloween an Event.
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:: To the definition I would add "on or more of the following features" and add the following points:
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::: f) Promotional lead up, whether Update Pages, blog posts, or in-game announcements (@FiatSeicento< IMO, the SFXI in-game announcement and lead-in Halloween "mode" activation count at least as much as blog posts. I think active players are more likely to see the in-game announcements.)
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:: We have overloaded "Major Update" with "Event" because past Events came with significant Updates.  Even in 2017, Halloween was a major ''Event'' in that it was widely anticipated and spiked severe activity. But as an Update, it looked like nothing, ''unless'' you see SFIX as an extension of the MAJOR Jungle Inferno -- if you look at it that way, SFIX is, by association, mush less trivia. 
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:: I have been slowly working on the Halloween Event/Update pages to clearly express that they cover both the Event and Patch aspects of how Valve and the Community play on Halloween. 
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:: gtg, my College-age daughter wants to watch a movie with Daddy!!!
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:: [[User:Mikado282|<span style="font-family: Impact"><font color="70B04A">'''M I K A D O 282'''</font></span><span style="font-family: Arial "><font color="70B04A">''' <small>🎃</small>🎃🎃🎃🎃<small>🎃  🎃🎃  🎃🎃</small>  '''</font></span>]] ([[User_talk:Mikado282|'''''talk''''']]) ([[User:Mikado282/Help Wanted!|'''''Help Wanted!''''']]) 18:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::I think we need to make [[Event]] or [[Events]] page to straighten things up. My definitions:
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:::*[[Holidays]] (imo) are certain types of Events that happen annualy in certain time of a year such as: Halloween (not to confuse with Scream Fortress which is update that happens usually at the beginning of Halloween, proven this year its not same thing), Smissmass and Birthday. I didnt counted Saxxies, because they happen annualy (excluding 2017) but not in certain time of year.
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:::*Events are uhhh. Certain time when somethings work, but wont if event ended? I dunno. But heres list of events: Holidays ofc, Saxxies, campaign related events (Jungle inferno campaign (contracts still work, but badges were event-exclusive), Invasion (Invasion Community Update Coin worked for some time), Duck Journal event, Gun Mettle and Though Break campaigns and exc.)
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:::*Halloween mode is uh mode of server? Like Birthday mode its enabled by deafult at certain time and can be forced by commands. Also that Halloween enabling item.
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:::*Major updates and Content Packs. Content Pack is ofc anything other than normal update that adds new thing(s). Major update is (technically) very big content pack that usually has something released along with it. But wheres the border? First 3 major updates are size of content packs. Smissmass 2018 added only 1 crate but despite this on page and Nav it shows up as major update. Blue moon pack added 1 crate, tweaked weapons and reworked competetive but is still listed as content pack. We need clear definition telling us when update is content pack or rather major update.<br>[[Image:Killicon_hhg.png|15px|link=User:Fiat Seicento]][[User:Fiat Seicento|FiatSeicento]][[Image:Killicon_hhg.png|15px|link=User:Fiat Seicento]] 21:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento
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::::: '''[[Holiday]]''' may be in part a wiki construct; but, the Valve term is [[Holiday Restriction]], as appears in the item descriptions. Valve has three Holiday Restrictions, "Winter Holiday", "TF Birthday", and "Halloween / Full Moon" (Valentine's Day doesn't count?). So, Valve identifies 3 + 13 annual Holidays, give or take.  On this basis (specifically) I see no need to change [[Holiday]].
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::::: '''Event''': Valve additionally applies the term "[http://www.teamfortress.com/blizzbobarrabas/ "Scream Fortress '''event''']" to the collective Halloween activations, which ''over time'' have become ''much'' more than just activation of [[Holiday Restriction]]. But, practically, Valve uses "event" for any special time-limited variation in the game including community activities.
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:::::: '''[[Campaigns]]''' are (were?) events with Contracts with premium buy-ins?
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::::: '''[[Halloween mode]]''' as a term is mainly a wiki construct. Essentially, the present content of the page is covered between [[Holiday#Halloween]] and [[Halloween event]].  IMO, the only reason to keep [[Halloween mode]] as a distinct page is to change it to an article devoted to <code>tf_forced_holiday</code> and expand it to cover all of the holiday settings.
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::::: '''Content Packs''': I really don't know the history of the Content Packs section of [[Patches]]; I wonder if at one time these were all under Major Updates until Valve started calling certain content Patched "Packs" and "Content Packs".
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::::: '''Major Updates''': It only thing that seems to be a distinction from Content Pack is that a "Major Update" was also (usually) an "Event", that is, there was something different and time-limited going on in the game ''OR'' there was some [[ARG]], Storyline, or Update lead up (pages, announcements).  It looks like the wiki calls it an "Update" if either Valve Calls it an Update or it is a Holiday content patch. '''"Event" activation aside, SFXI is a bigger, more major content update than either the [[Haunted Hallowe'en Special]] or the [[Pyro Update]] (if those two are "Major", then so is SFXI).  (but [[Summer Event 2013]] was an "Event"?)''' 
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::::: '''''Maybe a partial solution''''' is to Move the ''Holiday'' Patches (because they sometimes minor but are always Events) into into [[Patches#Halloween]], [[Patches#Winter Holiday]], and maybe [[Patches#TF Birthday]] -- then no one will ever care again about whether they are "Major" or not.
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Are we hosting April Fools this year?

I know that it's 3 months early to be talking about this topic, but is an April Fools event going to be hosted this year? I'd love it if one is; because I've actually already prepared a draft of the patch notes that are open to the public here. They're set for Open Review, the summary has said nothing but to edit them and help to expand, and I want this event to happen. SkyTBM; inexperienced TF2 Coach, seeking out for the greater good. (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (PST)

Hi. Keep in mind that a simple update page will not be enough, we would need real content. I have tried to revive this project since 2015 but I failed both times, sadly, last year we managed to get together and gather some interesting ideas, but we did not succeed because of lack of content. Anyway, if you want to see our ideas and the update notes from last year please click here and here. — Tark lm(pt-br) 23:18, 5 January 2017 (PST)
Yeah, I know Patch Notes won't be enough. Luckily, I wasn't planning for just patch notes. I have links on the page to content pages (such as weapons and taunts). Not created yet, but that's what I need help with. SkyTBM added the preceding potato comment. (Talk more about potatoes | Contribs) 17:40, 7 January 2017 (PST)

Sometimes my edit bar has a seizure.

Here's what it looks like https://youtu.be/ZlFXMp1MAAE

Not a common occurrence, but definitely also not rare. Anyar (talk) 10:02, 20 February 2017 (PST)

From what I have experienced, the "edit bar" automatically adjusts when it can't fit everything in your current browser window. I have come across this once before if you make the window full screen / reload the page it should go away. If not, try closing your browser entirely, then open it back up again. The program isn't perfect. User Twolfe Signature.png || twolfe's page || twolfe's talk page 10:08, 20 February 2017 (PST)
Oh. I often switch between a 1920x1080 monitor and a 1366x768 one. That must be it. Thanks! Anyar (talk) 11:05, 20 February 2017 (PST)

Sometimes my wiki layout messes up.

Unlike the edit bar seizure, this one has only been happening recently, and doesn't seem to be limited to one monitor resolution.

Usually it looks like this: [1] Rarely, it changes to this, often when I refresh the page, get an error, and refresh again. [2]

What is this? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anyar (talk) • (contribs)

The wiki is currently experiencing some internal errors, which is why the formatting breaks. 40pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 February 2017 (PST)
Not just me then? Yeah, this happens after the page saying there's internal errors. Anyar (talk) 06:05, 21 February 2017 (PST)
This encounters fairly regularly since Valve is neglecting the tf wiki and its servers. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 06:12, 21 February 2017 (PST)

Romanian translators anyone?

Are there any romanian translators out there that are still active and willing to give me a hand?I mean, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there seems to be a lack of my kind around these parts... -- Je love prajitura :D (talk) 09:58, 20 March 2017 (PDT)

Hello. A lot of languages are lacking translators. We'd be much obliged if you contribute to the Romanian section or recruit more translators. There's no active Romanian translator despite you currently. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 10:22, 20 March 2017 (PDT)

Where do people get the class images from?

For each cosmetic's article, the gallery contains images for each of the 9 classes, all wearing the cosmetic. Where did they get that image from? Or, how did they make it? ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 13:33, 16 April 2017 (PDT)

Those images are usually created with HLMV, please see Help:Model Viewer for more information. 40pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 14:00, 16 April 2017 (PDT)
Oh, thanks. I didn't manage to check for your reply, sorry for late response. ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 16:16, 21 April 2017 (PDT)

What is A TF2 Community?

Hello, I am New to this group And I think i have all my solutions to TF2 Here, But for Now I just wanted to ask What is A TF2 Community How can i join one? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trump (talk) • (contribs)

The tf2 community is simply the name of all the fans and the things related to tf2 that aren't ingame. Padacuw (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2017 (PDT)

Should we delete unused user page files from long-gone users?

A rather sizable number of wiki users haven't been on since 2013 at the latest, and have many unused user page files. Should we delete these files?

Jboby1 (talk) 15:48, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

What if they come back?
I'm fine with deleting talk pages for users who are inactive and don't have a user page, or just the user page of anyone who has been inactive for years and only has a few edits (that were all made within the same timespan).
In other words I'm mostly against user pages that took a lot of effort to make, because it'd be discouraging to come back and find that gone. Thoughts? ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 17:01, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
Pictogram minus.png Oppose Sometimes They Come Back ... (How come I didn't get one of those "He has risen!" do-hickies, TidB? (oh, riiiiight) ;) ... Really, it doesn't hurt anything to leave it all up, there is no valuable benefit to deleting, and it takes labor to decide if the page really should be saved or not, so on the whole, no I see not justification to delete. There is the tradition and policy that no one edits someone else's user space as long as it is conforming to the wiki's policy, and there was no Delete if Inactive Policy at the time of posting. Moreover, Anyar, the one thing that should never be deleted is Talk space, as it is the most formal record of collaboration, and IMO, the oldest records of collaboration are the more valuable, more so if the participants are now inactive. Yes, I know there is a lot of junk images, but that is a matter of opinion, and a lot of just simply unused images, but in the latter only the OP (or admin with cause) should delete it, and under the license, I'm not event sure that is proper. Mikado282 (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2017 (PDT)
I meant the talk pages with the only content being the autowiki bot's welcome message. Don't the pages take up space or something? ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 12:23, 4 September 2017 (PDT)
This wiki runs on a toaster with lots of space. The deletions could theoretically be worse than having those pages. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 08:05, 5 September 2017 (PDT)

I think you all are misunderstanding my question. I'm asking if we should delete the files that were uploaded by a long-gone user for their userpage, but were never used, or are no longer used. Im not saying we should delete entire userpages.

Jboby1 (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2017 (PDT)

Those unused user files don't hurt as long as they're named correctly. If you want you can of course flag them for deletion if they're unused, but I wouldn't suggest to waste time on it. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 01:05, 4 September 2017 (PDT)

Team Fortress discord server

I am currently in the process of making a tf wiki discord server that wiki contributors can talk and discuss things similar to the irc. i am asking for ideas that can be used for the discord server. any ideas that are part of the final server will be listed in a special chat along with the person who came up with said idea. i am also looking someone who could make a logo for the discord server. i am not sure when i will release it but when i do (thats if i ever do) i will announce it in a new discussion along with a link to join it. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neon man909 (talk) • (contribs)

I'm not sure if that's needed. Personally I like Discord better, but when I proposed the idea of moving from IRC to Discord I got completely shot down. Apparently the differences are that Discord has a cleaner and fancier UI, but IRC has better customization and all that.
FYI you made the same topic twice so I deleted the second one. ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 07:07, 8 October 2017 (PDT)
It would probably support your argumentation to present a pro/contra list, since staff doesn't see much pro's in Discord over IRC. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 22:48, 8 October 2017 (PDT)

Multi-Class images

I've been thinking about multi-class images. I feel like we should just have one class in the infobox, like the all-class images.

Having 2-4 classes all standing next to each other looks kind of messy and squashes the image too much.

For example, the Deadliest Duckling just has one class. If we had just one class, I feel as if it would be neater and more consistent with everything else User Bojjob Userlink.png 02:36, 14 October 2017 (PDT)

Pictogram plus.png Support Sounds good. — Tark lm(pt-br) 06:32, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
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Pictogram neutral.png Neutral Multi-class images (e.g. the one to the right) look alright to me, but so does the one for Deadliest Duckling. Your call. ⇒Leaderboard class spy.png Anyar (talk/contributions/giveaway) 07:01, 15 October 2017 (PDT)
Pictogram plus.png Support I like the idea. However, I think the limit should be at least two classes. 35pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 07:55, 17 October 2017 (PDT)
Pictogram comment.png Comment How about a slow transition between single-class images. MediaWiki has an extension that does exactly this. Brightgalrs (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Voice actor link proposal

If a voice actor has a Wikipedia page, link to that (with [[wikipedia:<NAME>|<NAME>]]) instead of IMDB. This would affect all articles about characters with voice actors as well as Voice actors. Brightgalrs (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2017 (PDT)

Skins and Stranges

Valve's addition to weapon retextures to Team Fortress 2 did seemingly spark some controversy at first, with TF:GO spreading rapidly, and it has been mostly accepted by the community. But did Valve really incorporate this in a way that will benefit their users? I'm not whining about the need to buy keys to open reward crates received through contracts after getting a pass for them, but I do want to address the topic of strange items, stat-clocks and strangifiers and how they 'interact' with war paints and skinned items. To get the topic out of the way, the addition of the civilian grade clock to add strange qualities to your 'common' skins was a nice idea, sure, let's add some value and desire to the lower end of the skin spectrum, but not adding them for the other 'not crate' grades is quite strange. In my opinion, this lack additions decreases value from all other grades of skins, aside from ones which can aquire strange status through key requiring crates. For example, why should I buy or try to obtain a war paint for my scattergun to change its visual appearance if I cannot put it on my strange variant? It seems like a waste, especially considering people will be purchasing war paints to put on their favourite weapons which are likely in strange quality, and few people are going to want to turn down their Hales Own rocket launcher for a default rocket launcher with a changed texture. I believe, to fix this, war paints should either be usable with strange weapons, or, stat clocks should be added for freelance and mercenary grades alongside the civilian grade, to make these variants of weapons more appealing to the community (heads up Valve, this means community market purchases! Yay!).

Who knows, maybe it's just me. But I'm sure that it would be a great addition to the game, considering the past few major updates have included new items which would benefit greatly from said change. Who knows, another somewhat minor update with some additions may also breathe some more life back into the trading community.

Thanks for reading my post. Opinions and feedback would be warmly welcomed, preferably without a side of salt or death threats. Thanks, EJB9 (talk) 08:38, 11 November 2017 (PST)

Difficulty logging in

So far, I have only been able to log in on mobile after much refreshing. I have been unable to log in on desktop and pages take a while to load.

Every attempt to log in results in an error message, “Team Fortress Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again.”

In addition, average number of edits per day seem to have gone down dramatically over the past three days.

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We have experienced this on and off again the last couple years. The senior editors seem to understand it a bit better than I.
Preview seems greatly slowed this time.
Yes, I have used mobile editing as a workaround to the log on issue. On the desktop, when repeating the login attempts does not get around the false cookie issue, opening the wiki in another window sometimes shows that I am logged in even though the first window is telling me to try again.
A couple months back, when this was really bad, ICS noticed it and told me that they would talk with somebody at Valve, and overnight, things greatly improved (coincidence?) in time for a few weeks of pre-Halloween editing.
Now that the Jungle Infrerno Update is dying down .... Mikado282 (talk) 05:15, 21 November 2017 (PST) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)
The tip I forgot: Using the "keep me logged in" option avoids the log in problem, once you get in. Just take pains to not forget you password through the resulting non-use. Mikado282 (talk) 11:09, 21 November 2017 (PST)

Teamfortresswiki discord server

Hi, for the past 3-4 months on and off i have been working on a tfwiki discord server, atm it is prety basic, but i would like some people to join and maybye give feedback, help out and just is genral be helpful. Even though it is not necessary to make such server, i have been bored and its been a fun journey so far

https://discord.gg/DZmKRNN

Neon man909 (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2018 (PST)

Hi there,

It appears that you have created this kind of topic before, which has already been discussed; see TFW:Discussion#Team Fortress discord server. I'd also recommend you to take down said server, as it would be considered unofficial. Thanks. 30pxWkPn (Talk | contribs) 06:02, 14 January 2018 (PST)

How to make articles

I just joined the wiki, and I would like to know how to submit an article for the mod Lambda Fortress. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Youporkchop5 (talk) • (contribs)

Hello Porkchop :) I'd advice you to read about article creation either here or here. Have fun. PS: Don't forget to sign off your comments with 4 tildes. Faghetti V.2 (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2018 (PST)

How do you change the title of an infobox?

Hi, I am trying to translate the smissmas cosmetic articels into german but I dont know how to change the title of the infobox and were do you get the inventory pictures? When you take a picture of a cosmetic you didnt make can you still upload a picture of it? Timmy the mini (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

  1. I would connect with the Translation Community (I'm not there; I only translate English), but I think the autotranslation of the title in the infobox is sort of template-controlled.
  2. Inventory Pictures? not me. Usually I find that someone already has uploaded it, especially by the time you are translating.
  3. What you can upload: Help:Images Certainly anything under some sort of Valve license -- anything you see in the game. Are you worried about something you found on someone's Workshop page?
  4. Oh! Wait! Here! Help:Cosmetic Images.
Mikado282 (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Adapting Wikipedia Visual Editor

Is there a way to make it so we can edit using the Wikipedia Visual Editor? That would be a great way to edit easier. User BrofessorBeta SignaturePic.jpgBrofessorBeta (Talk | contribs) 16:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Error in the Wiki

For some reason, there is a floating "more" just below the arrow next to "view history", is this supposed to be there?

Portal Wiki Down?

For the last week, I've tried to acess the Portal wiki using the VWN link at the bottom of the main page. It appears to be down. Has this been happening for a while, or is it a new problem? Or, worse case scenario, is it not just down, but entirely defunct? Jboby1 (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding this, I can confirm that thePortalWiki is still down. Someone please fix. I know I'm not active at all on the TF2Wiki anymore but I'm a moderator over there and want to keep working on things. ~Sven~ (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects

I have started a list List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects. This is in part for my own interests, but also as an orientation for new editors. The intention is to make this Team Fortress Wiki:List of Team Fortress Wikiprojects. I would appreciated comment. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (To Do) 23:09, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

TF2's Halloween Paintings

First post here, but anyone know how to get the Halloween paintings images? Or do we already have them archived here or something? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1544349505 is the type of stuff I'm talking about. I've been looking for this image for ages, but just now figured out where I remember it from (in-game obv). Is it possible to get the picture? Or maybe upload start a wiki page about the paintings Valve made for Halloween?

If you mean the actual file used for the painting, you could extract its texture from tf2_textures_dir.vpk Killicon baleful beacon.pngVasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 08:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Here you go. I believe this was a texture extract, but I can look it for you later. Enjoy. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
As far as an archive goes, there is no Category AFAIK for textures as such. I wish there was a Category for all textures organized by source (sounds like a Project to me), but as it is, the many images that have been uploaded are scattered in many different categories under Category:Images. Were you only interested in the that one portrait? Other paintings uploaded from from Mann Manor are in Category:Mann Manor images. M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 14:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Trivia related to original workshop description/names, as well "SFM Promo Images".

Hi, I've noticed an abundance of information regarding the original workshop submission since 2014 throughout today. For quite some time, information regarding the original workshop content weren't exactly valid trivia (save for a few, usually related to styles not included). However, I feel like most of these trivia related to the original desc/name should not be in here. I will separate them in each category, as well giving my view on each of them (if I support it, or not):


  • Pictogram comment.png Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery
    • Pictogram plus.png This has been a standard for quite some time now. It makes easier to extinguish Valve-made content from Community-made content just by scrolling to the gallery. I agree in keeping it.

  • Pictogram comment.png Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from Item Sets that were accepted officially (found on Item Sets only, does not count items that has the same theme, but doesn't have official item sets)
    • Pictogram plus.png I agree on the addition only for actually fully-accepted item sets. The image can be from the SFM promo artwork (usually found on a Item Set collection from the Workshop), and the image should only be included on the related Item Set page, and should not be added to each individual item page.

  • Pictogram comment.png Addition to images featuring the Item Set ("SFM Promo") from items that share similar looks / items that originated from a collection, but were not added as a full Item Set by Valve
    • Pictogram minus.png This one I vote for no, there are a ton of cosmetic items that were made to go with Item Sets, that simply got their items added separately, or got only few of the items accepted. Right now, the Wiki has some cosmetic pages with these images, while a lot of other does not have. It's very inconsistent right now, and I feel like these aren't really needed, one can just visit the Workshop submission to see those

  • Pictogram comment.png Addition to "SFM Promo Art" for any cosmetic item, not related to item sets or unofficial item sets
    • Pictogram minus.png Disagree. Again, this is really inconsistent across the Wiki, majority of the cosmetic pages does not have SFM Promo Item related to the cosmetic, while some, do. An example of one that has is the Vampire Vanquisher

  • Pictogram comment.png Trivia/Notes information regarding "This X Item was submitted along Y, Z items".
    • Pictogram minus.png Disagree. In the past, something similar was made regarding to this, there were a lot of Trivia based on original item sets from the workshop, but all of those were moved to Notes instead. It seems now that there's a whole batch of trivia information about the same thing, mostly because new users added to the Trivia, and not to a new Notes section. I vote for neither keeping on the Trivia, or the Notes page, considering the dense amount of cosmetics we now have on TF2, it would be just too much to edit or to add it in. I have other suggestions to mention the other similar items

  • Pictogram comment.png Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.
    • Pictogram plus.png Add a section below the Update History that includes links to related items from unofficial sets, this is not needed for official sets since these already have a table to go with.

  • Pictogram comment.png Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions
    • Pictogram minus.png I disagree. This has been for quite some time not enforced as valid Trivia, but, it has been seeing a lot of amount of attention lately with the newer cosmetics. I think it's a bit of a stretch Trivia related to an item's original name, or description. Considering that those are community-created, the authors has any freedom to add what they want, while in-game... some names and descriptions requires changes to sometimes suit the game better, or to avoid copyright issues. Right now, there's way too much information regarding old workshop name/desc, way too much.

  • Pictogram comment.png Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation
    • Pictogram minus.png Disagree. This was rarely used in the past, and would only be used for few cases where no interesting voice lines could be used to a cosmetic, however, recently, a lot of the newer cosmetic pages have only the "blurb", and in most of times, it's from here where people make Trivias related to the original Workshop descriptions. I think it's better left without any quotation (in case no voice line was chosen), than to use the workshop "blurb".

Please leave your thoughts below on what you think, do you agree with the suggestions I made above, or do you have another look on those? If you agree on all the purposed changes, please add a comment with the Pictogram plus.png - ({{c|+|}}) attached to your comment, if not, add Pictogram minus.png - ({{c|-}}) instead. If you want to simply discuss or suggest something else, please use the Pictogram question.png - ({{c|?}}) for that.

Thank you. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 18:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I broadly support Gabrielwoj's comments, so far as they apply to Cosmetics pages, as long as it is understood that Cosmetics pages aren't particularly my focus. Hoewever,
  • Pictogram comment.png Addition to Steam Workshop Thumbnails on the class gallery
  • Pictogram plus.png I didn't mind this, and assumed it acceptable, and also saw it as incidentally promoting the successful projects (e.g., Frontline and Mayann). A can accept that some can see this being abused, but haven't experienced that myself.
  • Pictogram comment.png Trivia regarding old Workshop names and descriptions
  • Pictogram minus.png I disagree. I didn't think this wasn't being enforced, I see such Trivia being deleted, and have deleted it when I caught it. Mind you, in this Event, I haven't monitored the new cosmetic pages, and I haven't checked the Jungle Inferno cosmetics for this violation.
  • Pictogram comment.png Add a new section called "Related Items" on cosmetic pages.
    • Pictogram minus.png I disagree. If I understand you correctly, you want to use such a section to show the relationship of items that were proposed as a set but set not released as a set. I don't see this as important enough to mention anywhere. If certain of such items are particularly famous, then links in See also could be sufficient.
  • Pictogram comment.png Workshop "blurb" for cosmetic's quotation
    • Pictogram plus.png I opposed a blanket prohibition of Workshop "blurb" for Cosmetics. OK, yes I may concede that using the Workshop "blurb" is an abusable "easy out". While I do not care for whole cloth copying of huge amount of Workshop blurb, I strongly oppose any suggestion that the quotations draw from voice lines only; IMO, any Valve content is acceptable as long as it conformed to Help:Style guide/Quotes. As long as it is a good Quotation, it is far better than an unrelated Voice line. Note, my exposure to the use of Workshop blurbs (limited to maps) is to selectively crop the best parts. To put a fine point on it, I see no necessity that a Voice line be part of a quotation. Certainly, Comic dialog should be acceptable.
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 14:36, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your views on it, very interesting takes.
To reply a few of your questions... The trivia/information about old name and desc has been scattered throughout a lot of pages, some even on the older item pages, while others in the more recent items. Example of an old item is... (well, it seems that was removed from time, it was on Scout Shako mentioning about the item's name and the original workshop description), while examples for new items are Athenian Attire, Hephaistos' Handcraft and Olympic Leapers.
About the See Also, I think it's okay right now, as you mentioned. However, I've seen some pages just putting cosmetic items that are from the same "hat type" or style, for example, Compatriot, most of the links there on See Also are simply due to an item having an "eagle" on it. I think we shouldn't do that and only focus as how you explained to us. The idea of "Related Items" should probably not be added, but we shouldn't also add too much on the "See Also" section.
I agree on your view on the blurbs. Although, I still see some pages which could have used quotes, but still goes with the blurb. I guess we could use the blurb for placeholders, until someone has a nice and creative quote to put it there. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
The quotes are an attractive nuisance; nubeditors think they do a service by adding one. I had assumed that nubs were just slaping weak at best viocelines on cosmetics, using the blurb for cosmeticts I haven't seen. Is that new to the SF2018 Cosmetics?
Sometimes the blurb is pretty good.
Aslo, nubs, if you are using a blurb, there is no rule saying you have to use the whole blurb. M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (To Do) 04:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I see. But we still can use quotes from Official Videos or Comics, I've seen those before. There's a lot of variations to use it too. But yeah, blurbs has the advantage of being quick and able to use specific parts of it.
Yes, that's for the new SF2018 cosmetics, these are just an example, because there are several other examples throughout the Wiki.
I think we should get going with editing some of these stuff. So I guess we should start removing Trivia that originates from original Workshop name/desc, as well Trivia about "item sets"? User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 09:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Including "Action taunt" to each respective Class page.

Hey, something that always bothered me is the lack of taunts on the class pages, currently, "Action taunt" are only specified on update Navigation tables, and on the Taunts page, however, I believe there should be a table for the taunts available for a specific class, as well all-class taunts, and perhaps minimizing some of the information found on Taunts. My suggestions are:

  • Adding the information found on Taunts to each class page (the current table is fine, and could be directly exported to a class page, for example);
  • Rework the "Action taunts" section on the Taunts page to have a similar style table found on "List of Class cosmetic items".

Please leave your thoughts and suggestions below, thanks. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Team-Colored Styles section

Well, here's something else I've been thinking... There are some items that have a diverse amount of styles, but we currently do not show BLU color Styles. This is a problem for items like Duck Journal, which we just see the default BLU skin, and not all the rest of the duck skins. My suggestion is the following:

  • Modify the infobox template to include "Styles". So, for instance, Styles can show up at the infobox (similar on how it looks on Team Captain page), and differing by each team and style. In the case for Duck Journal, the styles available on the infobox would be: None, Scout, Soldier, Pyro, Demoman, Heavy, Engineer, Medic, Sniper, Spy, Quackston Hale. I think it would be important to note when it's a style, perhaps by using a prefix "Style: ".

As we are already on the topic of the infobox, something I also suggest is:

  • Add support to non-team colored items for the Infobox Class/Styles section. There is currently a problem on showing off different models per class for items that are not team-colored. An example is Dead Little Buddy, due to the lack of support on the infobox for such, the previews for class differences had to be added below, on the gallery section.

With these changes, I believe that the section about Styles could be removed. And only be mentioned in case the style is only affected by painting.

Leave your thoughts below. Thank you. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Something I don't get about clipping cosmetics.

So, something that I don't get about one of the Scout's cosmetics is that the Flak Jack. You can't equip it whilst having the Weight Room Warmer equipped, I personally think that it would look better if you could equip both. Here are some pictures of what it would look like, maybe they could just fix the clipping up in the back. Scout with Weight Room Warmer and without Flak Jack

Scout with both the Weight Room Warmer and the Flak Jack equipped The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rozeyy (talk) • (contribs) 30 December 2018

This is for discussion related to the Wiki, please post your concerns about clipping cosmetics on the Steam Community Discussions. Thanks! Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 17:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Question regarding Wikitext source

Hello! I was wondering if it is possible to view the source of a Wiki page without editing it / locking it? Thanks in advance! Tocksi (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by "locking it", unless you're speaking of protected articles, in which case can only be performed by the Wiki staff. As for viewing the source of a page without editing, I don't believe we have a read-only mode for editing. Either log out of your account or open a new window in private/incognito mode as it does not preserve your browsing activity . . Wookipan (talk | contribs) 22:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

The Wiki has issues loading images with special characters.

Hey. So, a while ago I replaced the image for Brütal Bouffant, and noticed that neither the direct link of the image, or the image on the page is being shown. Upon close inspection, the error code "Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/html/w/images/0/03/Brtal_Bouffant.png': No such file or directory...", shows that it's trying to find for the "Brtal_Bouffant.png" file, showing that it's not being able to read the "ü" part of Brütal Bouffant. I don't know if this gets fixed by itself over time, but the Brütal Bouffant page looks pretty messy with the error code. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this! I've deployed an update to the servers to fix this (exact commit, for interested parties; our new hosting doesn't have the en_US.utf8 locale). Should be all sorted across the site now! -RJ 02:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion of Steam Workshop's original name for the Cosmetic Item / Weapon / Map

Hi. I want to make a small poll and know what people think about this subject. I'd like to know your thoughts on this. Do you...

  • Pictogram plus.png Support keeping the original Workshop names on "...under the name", on the main summary?
  • Pictogram minus.png Or you'd prefer the exclusion of the original Workshop names on the page, removing the "...under the name" section.

Please leave a small insight and thoughts about your vote decision. Here mine:

  • Pictogram minus.png - I think we should remove the name from the pages. We had previously decided to remove information regarding trivia to old workshop names (as well information about unreleased styles or other content). There's some Workshop names which are just codenames (Crone's Dome being "Loss of witches (Bastinda_2012)"), and some of them having phrases on the name (such as Insulated Inventor's "Insulated innovator: V wow this keeps happening"). Most of the time, the original names serve no real purpose, as trivia regarding the name are no longer being supported, and these are left just occupying unnecessary space on the page.

Hopefully, with this discussion, we can decide in either keeping them or not, and resolve the confusion we are having at the moment. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Pictogram minus.png - I never saw aby purpose in mentioning their original workshop names, as ultimately Valve decides to keep the name or not of items (save for maps), and the name of the item on workshop is like really not that important - besides that, the viewer can check the original name himself, by checking the workshop page, so it's quite redundant to note that in the article. Goodjob (talk) 16:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram comment.png Equivocating 2 Specific to mentioning the development name in the Lead. I wondered if the practice was grandfathered. I did some checking, the form was established two months after the Workshop opened with the release of the first of the Workshop items.
From the December 22, 2011 edit of BFD: 'The Big Elfin Deal was contributed to the game via the Steam Workshop, with the name "The Elf".'
So, actually, its not like it is a new thing, in spite of my impressions or questionable recollections, or suggestions, otherwise. It really has "always been done that way." But, Gabrielwoj makes some great points, some of the "names" are really unimpressive at best. I don't think the old names are important, but maybe someone thought they were. But, we've chatted about this on and off for a few months, at least since it got cold, and no support for keeping them. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram comment.png Equivocating 3 A candidate for keeping, which was deleted, was Monster Mash, it is a notorious name IRL, but Valve had copyright reason, so thought, but maybe there real issue was style. IMO, much of the time, I don't care about the pre-release name. But I also don't care about detailed descriptions in the cosmetic leads, or detailed recapitulations of comics int their supposed Synopses. 23:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram plus.png Strong support for keeping the original workshop names in the main summary This change is so tiny it barely affects anything, and I like seeing the original names; sometimes having their own little references or just giving an example what the name could have been, which is enjoyable to me as a reader. If we truly wanted to remove this small addition, all those sentences would be 'This item was contributed to the Steam Workshop' which seems lifeless and is just saying what's already in the infobox, which actually makes readability worse. The arguments above, the names sometimes being codenames or having phrases in them are pure cherrypicking and don't portray accurately what the original names usually are - we could always remove such names on a case-by-case basis. And of course, the argument 'just occupying unnecessary space on the page' is pointless as we are literally talking about just a few words here. { TidB | t | c } 10:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
There's pros and cons on keep the original workshop names. The pros being: Sometimes it can be interesting, older names can be better than the new names, and it's also useful for those who make images (as most of the time, the folder name for a cosmetic is based on the original workshop name). Although, there's a few cons, such as: workshop names being changed after being accepted in-game (so it would require removal of the name in a future edit), workshop names with codenames (like Crone's Dome), or workshop names with actual phrases in it. Other issues that comes with Workshop original names is that it makes new users include trivia regarding the old name, which we decided to drop these types of trivia (I'd say the same for the publicity blurb, but that was discussed before, so). I kinda stopped removing the workshop names (I did for like 15 items, then someone asked to me why, and then I halted my edits), but I know some editors are removing when making improvements to the page. It's something that is still debatable, nonetheless. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 14:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The cache system is way too slow.

Hi. The cache system on the Wiki, ever since it was migrated to MediaWiki 2.0 (I think, I just know that it the main framework was updated), has ever since been very slow. I tend to upload a lot of images, and a lot of times, I have to wait for days for an image to catch up, I almost can't ever check if my work looks good on the page, requiring me to check only when the image is finally fully cached. Here's an example, an image I recently updated.

The problem is that the old image size from the previous revision gets used for the new image, and so it stretches very poorly on the page. Other times, the image seems to be properly sized, but still appears blurry in the page, as shown here on Weight Room Warmer, which in case of that image, it was uploaded in 14:07, 22 January 2019, almost 1 month later and the image is still not fully cached.

And other times, the images doesn't properly update at all, as seen on Assassin's Attire, some paint variant tables (that were uploaded around 16:37, 7 July 2018) show up the previous version instead. I'm not sure if this is a case of the cache or something else, but even when I attempted re-uploading the file, it didn't worked.

I remember I didn't had these issues on the previous MediaWiki. Would there be a way to improve the time for the cache system, or perhaps optimize it somehow? I've worked and been into other Wikis, and this is the only one which I see this problem happening. The Weight Room Warmer pic was just an example, but there's other images around the Wiki having the same or similar problems (some from old uploads, other from recent modifications). Thanks. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Documentation about Abuse Report and Bug Report on the Wiki?

Hi. I think the Wiki should have a page related to the Abuse Report system ('F7' key). I started to wonder if something was already covered, but apparently, the only mention of it seems to be on List of default keys. I also think we should document Bug Reporting as well. The addition to Bug Reporting could facilitate users who wants to report a game-breaking bug (for the Finder's Fee hat), although, I really don't know if in-game bug report system works for that. As for the Abuse Report system, we got pages for Coaching, the Workshop button on the main menu, Options, especially sprays, as well many other stuff. I think a page about it should be documented. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 22:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, since the wiki has articles for Coaching, the Workshop button on the main menu, and Options, then, for completeness there should be Report Player (Abuse Report) and Report Bug/Bug Report articles.
Technically, while there is a Workshop button on the Main Menu, the Steam Workshop covers the whole Valve interface rather than the MM button. And I don't see any broad "Options" article.
That said, Report Player (Abuse Report) and Report Bug/Bug Report do seem to be long-missing articles, as long as they focus on the Team Fortress 2 interface, especially as a how to.
M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC) 23:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I attempted writing a page for it, it's currently on my sandbox. I named specifically "Abuse Reporter", that's how the game calls it by the in-game tip that is shown on the loading screen. I haven't taken any screenshots related about it, but please let me know what you think. You may edit the page if you see any mistakes or that you think section should be rewritten. The page is currently a "stub", even though I haven't actually added the template. I was thinking about adding the information that the rules applied to the report has to be followed from the Steam Subscriber Agreement, but I couldn't find any info regarding if these reports are really complied by those same rules. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
As far as content, I have no idea of anything to do with abuse reporting, so keep going. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 23:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The new talk page layout

I've noticed that some talk pages, mostly new ones, have this new, weird layout style which is way more different than the normal talk page. Example: Talk:Operation Memes vs Machines. Not only is this talk page laggy and annoying to deal with, but it also doesn't show replies half the time. I wanted to reply to a reply, so first I had to do some weird refresh magic to get the reply to pop up, but then when I finished my reply, the layout asked me to do "the captcha below," but no matter how many times I did it, there was no captcha. Does anyone know how to disable this, or are we just stuck with this? Pyro emblem RED.png BeingAwesom Pyro emblem RED.png (talk · contribs) 03:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

It should be removed soon. See TFW:Technical requests#StructuredDiscussions. — Tark lm(pt-br) 04:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, BeingAwesom, I did respond the Shadows topic that prompted this topic, my original response didn't show then showed until I fix a typo and hasn't been seen since. You can see my response if you search through the history. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Promotional or Distributed?

With the recent addition of the new templates for availability (great idea btw), I think it is about time that we 'clear up' the usage of "promotional" and "distributed". These terms, at the moment, seem to be used almost interchangeably on a lot of pages.

For example:

These are apparently promotional: Jaunty Globetrotter, Jaunty Explorer, Conspiracy Cap

While these are apparently distributed: TF2Maps Ray of Sunshine, TF2Maps Charitable Heart, Spectral Snowflake, Gift of Giving 2016, Public Accessor, Thought that Counts

Personally, I feel that 'promotional' refers to something that got used for promoting something (duh) and acquire money from players. This includes mostly donation medals. 'Distributed' (for me) refers to something that was distributed to the player for doing something specific (event, etc). For example, Titanium Tank Participant Medal 2017 is a clear distributed item as it got distributed to everyone who completed the tour.

I know one could argue that "the player buying the medal is something specific" and "donation medals also gets distributed" or, on the other hand, "event medals always promote the event they are from", but why have two terms for the same thing? We should really make a line of some kind so it means something.

Exception could exist (as always), but if anyone has any other strong opinions on what should be what - speak up :o

And also: why are the words for 'distributed' so much different between pages for a lot of languages? That should really be streamlined, unless they are some weird languages that change on a case-to-case basis (even for single words, somehow).

Should we include the Item Kind twice on Graded Items?

Hi. I was noticing something in game... Graded items contains both the Item Kind + Grade on their descriptions, but these items also have an additional Item Kind right below it. Take for example this [picture], we can see "Commando Grade Guitar" and "Guitar" right below it. Should we include this on each Graded Cosmetic Page? Additionally, this isn't the case while viewing an item on Steam Community, as seen [here], only mentioning "Commando Grade Guitar" and nothing else. This looks like a bug, rather than a feature, but anyway, it's how it's in the game. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 14:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Does this count as mentioning it twice on the SC? GrampaSwood (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Maybe. Also, good point. These Graded items doesn't have level in-game, but apparently show up in SC. The "Guitar" on TF2 is on the same string color as the Level in SC, now I know why it's mentioned twice, because the Level [#] doesn't show up in-game. Now we have two things to discuss, one the addition to the Item Kind, and this situation with Item Level and viewing on SC. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Addition to "Community Market" under the Infobox Picture.

Hi. I've made a mock-up of what could be possibly added to several cosmetic/tool pages: i.imgur.com/z2edATE.png. Clicking on that blue button will redirect the user to "Steam Community Market :: Showing results for: Team Fortress 2, "Diplomat"".
Additional thoughts: I've made the button blue to be different to the one's seen like here, which allows to buy directly from the Mann Co. Store (via browser). I've made a "simple fix", but it may be possible to technically include the price too, backpack.tf shows the price in the Community Market, so I believe it's somewhere on the TF2 API? Although, with this method, we would need to include buttons for all the different marketable qualities (the Diplomat, for example, has listings for both Unique and Strange versions of the item).
The button can also be worded like: "View available listings for the Diplomat on the Steam Community Market".
I find it lacking that we don't have a direct link to Market Listings for marketable items. Thoughts?User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Additionally, we should include "Marketable: Yes/No" on the Basic Information as well, no? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Agree Great idea, that's my favorite feature on Dota Wiki. Alternatively, we could use the item's defindex (from GetSchemaItems) to return the listings instead (like this: appid:440 prop_def_index:416). Also, even though it's somewhat possible to return the item prices, I don't think it's a good idea, Market prices tend to fluctuate from time to time. — Tark lm(pt-br) 23:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Nice, I was trying to figure out if there was an "index" or code that could be used. We can possibly obtain this info from a list of indexes or something, and the infobox directly grabs that information on the template (not requiring to, for instance, having to search by the item's name, like "&q=Diplomat"). User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:09, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
{{defindex}} already exists, so it was simple to create a {{Buy now}} button that redirects to the Market (see User:Tark/BuyNow). Changing the background image requires additional permissions, tho. orz — Tark lm(pt-br) 18:00, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Looks nice. I suppose you dropped the "the" on "View listings on Steam Community Market" because it wouldn't fit? Also, we could just create another image if that's the case. I think it's really important to distinguish both Steam Community Market links from direct TF2 Purchases, as I believe there's going to be pages with both. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 22:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Should be "View listings on the Steam Community Market" now, thanks! Could you make a slightly different version of this image? — Tark lm(pt-br) 22:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
How different? I can make the 2 Steam Logos blue. I say blue as it's the predominant color on Steam Community. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
How's this? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png Done. — Tark lm(pt-br) 16:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Nicely done. Now, we just need two things: Add the string "Marketable: Yes/No", No shows up when there's no "| marketable", and Yes shows up when there's "| marketable" on the item's infobox table. The second thing is, we should add similar type of buttons for each Paint Can, currently there's no option to purchase them (or to view listings on the Community Market). User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:11, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Also, with the inclusion of the string above, we need to find a way to specify which qualities are Marketable and which ones aren't. For instance, we can have the Marketable Listings on the Scattergun page, but that only applies to Strange and Killstreak variations... I don't know exactly how can we specify each... User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:25, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

About plurals.

So, about plurals... how do we specify when an item's name or kind should be pluralized? Robin Walkers are both shoes, and the name is also pluralized, so I can see why it was pluralized here. I've recently made an edit to Blizzard Britches, to make it plural, as it's a pair of pants, and the name is in plural. However, I'm still unsure about the rest of the summary. In Robin Walkers, it's mentioned "They are...", while in Blizzard Britches, I still kept the traditional "It".
So, what can I do here? Should all pluralized names receive the "are/were/they" treatment? I can see pages like Shin Shredders still mentioning the item in singular. Also, should all items that are "a pair of boots", "a pair of pants", "glasses", be pluralized, despite if their names aren't, due to their kind? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Cosmetic Item floating "Bugs"... I think we should get rid of those.

Hey. So... in some pages, there are bugs like... "When this item is equipped upon the Spy, it visibly floats in front of his lapel.". I wouldn't consider these as bugs, it's just how the model is positioned on the class. These type of "bugs" can be seen in pages like Operation Gear Grinder Badge (as well all the other Operation Badges) and a few others (I remember seeing on Power Up Canteen, but it looks like it was removed already). I think we shouldn't list these are bugs, rarely this has an unintended effect (mostly when the hat bone goes to prp_hat on Sniper, which causes the hat to re-position a bit, but even so, it's very few Sniper hats that actually has this issue. As an example, the Wiki Cap on Sniper clips on the top of his head, most likely that the bone was transitioned from hat to prp_hat, so he could grab while doing his Melee Taunt, and the only hat I can think of now with an issue like this, is the Toadstool Topper on Sniper).
So, yeah, I vote Pictogram cross.png No. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Definitely not a bug, it was specifically requested for our Cap that Cup medal to be floating in front of the person so it doesn't clip with stuff like the Veteran's Attire on Soldier. It might be unintentional that it's so far, but it's definitely not a bug. I vote removal too
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I will keep an eye on and remove any "bugs" related to this. I've seen other medals which were also made to "float" so it reduces clipping with shirt items. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Mann Co. Store extra descriptions

Hey. So, I was looking around the Mann Co. Store, and some items have an extra description on them. For example, Something Special for Someone Special has this, while any decalable item has this. Other examples come from paint cans, Backpack Expander, Name Tag, Desc Tag, Decal Tool and so on. Should we include these more-detailed descriptions somewhere? If so, where? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Issues with Scream Fortress 2018 Item Icons.

Hello, could someone please investigate why some icons for Scream Fortress 2018 are not updating accordingly? As some of you may know, I've been making new Item Icons, and for the majority of the SF2018 items, none of the icons are being updated with the latest revisions. The following icons has been updated, but their icons never refresh to the current revision:

These icons are the ones I noticed since I've updated them recently, but other SF2018 items may have been having the same issue (the only one so far with no issues was the Vampire Vanquisher).
As a side note, the Gaelic Glutton icon on the Demoman Cosmetic Items table is also stretched, this is due to a previous revision for the icon which was smaller. Ever after 2 changes (the first one to fix the size, and the second one which is a complete new icon), the icon is still having issues showing the current revision.
Thanks. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 14:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Seems to me that it's cache issues again. Similarly to this, some of the painted variants on Assassin's Attire aren't updating. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 18:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Updated once again. Highway Star seems to not even show the thumbnail, regardless of the revision. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 16:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Highway Star fixed itself, but Deadbeats is another item with the same problem. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, Highway Star is again not working, as well two new icons from the Summer Pack 2019:
All the rest of Summer 2019 items are working just fine, it's just those 2 (+ Highway Star) that doesn't seem to be refreshing. While the Highway Star appears fine in here, it doesn't refresh on this page, and possibly others. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
More icons:
User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Changing the titles and the name of certain items and item sets.

Hey there everyone! I'm new to the translation section of the Wiki. I have a problem with the translation with the titles of some pages and items. The translation guide only says to add a DISPLAYTITLE on the top of the page, but the item doesn't change name. I noticed that if i add a

| name = NameExample

in the item info section, I can change the item's name. But sometimes it says Template:Dictionary/items/nameexample Same thing goes for item sets. Is there someone who can explain me how it works please?

I would be really happy! :D D-ray Ent. (talk) • (contribs) 29th of June 2019 20:18 CEST

Hello,
The wiki works with the Dictionary, here you can find all translations for items and other things. If you want to edit it, click on the "items" section, scroll down to the appropriate subsection and then edit it.
At the bottom of the page I linked is the documentation on how to use the dictionary. If you have any more questions regarding the dictionary and editing is, feel free to post it on the talk page.
Also please sign your comments using ~~~~

GrampaSwood (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding recent consistency edits

In recent times, there've been some edits by Denied and Hinaomi to improve the consistency of pages, but I'm don't quite agree with both the methods and the way of how these edits are made. For one part, the main three consistency points seem to be

  1. Changing 'This item' to the actual item name
  2. Removing the 'under the name' part in the community-created sentence
  3. Removing the second Steam Workshop link in the community-created sentence

While I agree with the last point, I still find the first two confusing and don't agree with them - the usage of 'this item' avoids the repetition of the item name which also improves the visual aspects of the article, since the sentences are usually placed vertically adjacent to each other. They also make it harder in languages such as German because it can be awkward to use the {{item name}}-ified versions all the time. For the second point, just refer to the the discussion above.

What I still don't get though is how these consistency edits are appearing out of thin air, especially the first point. The only source of doing these edits is this talk page entry and it provides no reasoning for why to do this kinda thing, just mentioning 'consistency' which could always go both ways. The second point is even weirder, because there's the discussion right above, there's no consensus being reached and apparently it's still getting edited in (or rather, out)?

Because in the end, I think we might actually create more inconsistency because I don't see all the pages getting updated, and especially not the translated versions of them. I'd love to hear your input.

{ TidB | t | c } 20:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to keep "This item was awarded" instead of full name. I was adding them from the begging, but at some point Hinaomi started adding full names, and becuse he's here longer than, I assumed he knows better than I. That's it. If it's neccesarry I can revert them back to "This item". About the "was added under 'name'" I think it's not necesarry to add them, because Valve was changing almost every Workshop item added, and now they're adding pretty much unchanged names straight from the Workshop, so adding them is kinda pointless. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 07:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think reverting will be necessary, these kinda edits can be done when other parts of the article have to be edited as well, but I agree. For the 'under the name' thingy, I'd say that when the name is the same, we could either use 'under the same name' (as it's been used before), or just omit it. As I said in the discussion above, of course it doesn't make sense to always include the original workshop name, but generally it could be a good idea. { TidB | t | c } 07:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
@TidB : I would have thought Denied's question to Hinaomi was rhetorical rather than supportive of the change away from "This item". I have always felt the abstraction serve the purpose of readability. As for mentioning Workshop names, I've participated in a couple of discussions on this, but I am not going to try to locate them during my lunch walk. In them I think I was probably supportive of not mentioning the Workshop name unless it was actually notable, exceedingly rare cases to be sure, IMO. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC) M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 19:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)•
Sorry for the late reply, and I don't have much time so I gotta say this real quick. I don't mind if it changed to either way, just make them consistence with others. 02:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Please help me with Categories.

Hello. Soon, I'll be doing Item icons for (hopefully) all Decorated/War Painted weapons. While I was checking categories for existing Item Icons, I noticed some inconsistency. In some icons, the following categories are set:
== Summary ==
[[Category:Item icons]]
== Licensing ==
{{ScreenshotTF2}}
But in some newer icons, the following are set instead:
== Summary ==
{{ExtractTF2}}
== Licensing ==
[[Category:Item icons]]
[[Category:Cosmetic images]]
So, I have a few questions. One, because those icons will be completely new, they should be "ScreenshotTF2", right? Because they won't be extracted from TF2's game files or anything, and will be, instead, made from scratch using HLMV. Two, should I add "Weapon images" category for the Decorated Weapon icons, too?
If "ScreenshotTF2" is the right license for that, I'll be doing a cleanup on some of the Item icons where it's marked as "ExtractTF2" instead, from all the Item icons where I made a newer consistent version (in Shugo Style). User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Crate Depression

What do we do with the Crate Depression? I've heard the following options:

  1. Do nothing.
  2. Mention it as a note on the unusual page or the crate page.
  3. Make its own page.

From these suggestions, I would personally go with number 2, because I don't think it's enough to warrant its own page. Maybe make a redirect to said note. If you have any other suggestion feel free to bring it up.
GrampaSwood (talk)

I select the second one. My idea is mentioning that some Unusuals are Untradable (on the Unusual page), and explain the reason why. I don't think we need to mention the title "Crate Depression", but at least explain why the Unusuals are untradable and perhaps include an external link to the TF2 Blog post explaining it. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
It was officially dubbed the crate depression, so maybe just a mention like "Dubbed "the crate depression" as a play on the great depression".
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Still, I don't think we need to mention about the name. The name could be included on the "References" list as the title of the blogpost "Update on The Crate Depression of 2019", and that would be enough. The wording of the Note could be something like this: "Some Unusual items are untradable, as a result for a fix of a market-crashing bug that affected the game in July 25th, which resulted in some Crates having 100% Unusual chance drops upon unboxing them. Due to the sheer amount of Unusuals unboxed in that day, Valve has decided in marking all Unusual items that were unboxed from that day and from those specific crates as untradable, with the exception of the first one unboxed per Steam user.[1]". And then [1] redirects to the References section for the Unusual page, containing a link with the title "Update on The Crate Depression of 2019". User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

UserTalk "Topic" pages are very broken.

Hi. The new comment system, that were implemented for UserTalk pages (as well Talk pages), is really broken. Sometimes it's impossible to see the replies that people make. I just made a comment on a Topic which I can't view my own post. Another issue is that you can't put URLs on these posts, otherwise it'll ask to complete a CAPTCHA that does not appear on the page, so I had to replace the dots into "(.)", just to bypass the URL detection. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:20, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I believe the solution to not seeing new answers is to go to the talk page itself (usually it's just looking at a topic, just click "read" or "discussion") then refresh, this worked for me. But yes, we've all already voted to take this new system away. It seemed better, but it ended up being worse. You can't even use "show preview" either. RJ should be removing this asap, but it's tricky because it might delete stuff.
GrampaSwood (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

"Main article: Item set" under == Item set ==

Is it possible to add "Main article: Item set" under == Item set == like it's done with == Painted variants == that adds "Main article: Paint Can" under it? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 18:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

{{main|Item Set}} I guess? Turns into

Main article: Item set

GrampaSwood (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but you need to add it manually. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 05:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Discuss it on the talk page I guess?
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:34, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Inaccuracies regarding beta content?

I'm a sucker for TF2's beta content. I love it, but there is a ginormous amount of inaccuracies regarding them. Stuff like Demoman's Beta Head, which in reality is just Marphy Black's Blu Demoman Head from a Beta Demoman mod he made in 2009. Can we please also add stuff like the Trigger, the Incendiary Cannon particles, the Badlands Models and more?

About Discords on tournament pages

A Discord server requires an account to visit, personally I think it shouldn't be included on tournament (medal) pages, but rather have other sources like Steam or a reddit post. There might be an exception if it's linked in the "External links" section, and mention that you need an account for it. I don't think it falls under advertising (because the entire page is basically advertising then). Options I can think of are:

  1. Remove all Discord links, no exceptions
  2. Remove all Discord links, except the ones in the "External links" section of the article

Personally, I go for 2.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I'd vote for option 1, but option 2 sounds good aswell. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 10:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
2, yes. We could possibly add something similar to {{citation needed}} but it's "account needed" instead. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
So just like, account needed?
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Option 1. — Tark lm(pt-br) 15:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
1st option. As I stated on Talk:ARG, all external sources should be accessible at all times without the need to register in order to view the content. I'll write a policy in regard to this sometime in the future. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 17:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Should we note when Cosmetic Items fall on the ground?

Heya, so... I've been thinking for a while, I don't think we have any information regarding Cosmetic Items falling to the ground when a player is killed, do we? Not all Cosmetic Items fall from the ground, mostly hats are the ones that does, however, there's some exceptions, like the Cold Case. Should we add a line saying that, for example: "The Cold Case falls from the player upon death, and remains on the world for a few seconds", or even a more simple route, just a "Category" on the page for "falling cosmetics", huh? For Cosmetics that does not fall to the ground, we don't need to explain anything, if anything, a category for "non-falling cosmetics" could work. At the moment, we have category for Paintable items, Jiggleboned items, and so on, so I wouldn't see an issue with "falling" cosmetics too. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:47, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding pages on custom maps, competitions, MVM missions, and such


Discussion moved here from Talk:Custom maps. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 11:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


Seeing as how the question of custom maps being included has caused nothing but vulgarities and personal attacks, I would like to put forth a discussion about whether or not unofficial custom maps should stay on this Wiki at all. We have no ways to determine whether a map is to be considered worthy of having its own article or not. On the other hand, they also don't have much significance to TF2 itself other than their usage on some community servers. Most of them have their own pages and such whereever they're uploaded anyway, be it GameBanana, TF2Maps, or something like that. Personally, I'm for removing all the custom map pages on the Wiki. Please leave your thoughts below. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 19:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm unaware of the vulgarity or personal attacks, but I can see this happening (I saw a while ago someone who was banned for adding offensive content to their UserPage, but I'm unsure on what was that about). In the topic of personal attacks, the Trivia on WelcomeToMyMine (mission) regarding the two Mann Up players could be classified as an attack to them, regardless if you see them as "toxic" or not. In any regard, I don't think the Wiki should specifically mention users for their actions, as it's done on WelcomeToMyMine page.
Because these maps are custom made, it's very easy for someone to add a reference on the map for something, just to be featured on the "Official Wiki".
In conclusion, I vote for removal of custom maps. Since we are in the topic of "user-created content", we should also remove user-created wallpapers from this page. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I agree to removing the unofficial wallpapers as well. The userpage that was deleted for offensive content was throwing shade at our admins/moderators and some other editors (if I recall correctly, please don't take this as a fact). The reason they were so upset was that the page for their custom map was deleted or something like that, for which they held a grudge for over three years. Custom MVM missions should also be purged, along with pages about TF2Maps contests and community events (like Canteen Crasher), as they are of no relevance to TF2 in the Official Wiki. If a map was made official because it won a contest (as is the case with Mountain Lab), it can be mentioned on the page of the map itself. Custom map pages and MVM missions can be moved to the userpages of their creators, if they wish to keep them.
The trivia you mentioned, "GuYs lOOK i CaN CaRrY" and "The carrier's pocket slave" references the user BrutalPizza and Trickstabber. They are known for their toxic behaviour and are notorious for kicking new players frequently. At times they can be seen in the tour Two Cities when in Mann Up. Experienced Mann Up players encourage players that aren't close to them to never play with them, is definitely overboard. There is no room for personal attacks on the Wiki, especially not for personal attacks that link to their Steam profiles. I have removed it from the page. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 06:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
It seems that the discussion isn't only about custom maps anymore. Please move it to the main wiki discussion.
I'm not against removing bad "articles", but this approach of deleting everything seems harsh. I've personally seen articles on custom MvM missions used to help coordinate players on some Potato's servers.
One thing we can't deny is that Valve's support isn't here anymore, you can't use "this is community-created content" as an excuse anymore. Whether we like it or not, community content is what's keeping the game "alive". — Tark lm(pt-br) 10:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
If we are to keep articles on custom content, how do we decide whether something is worthy of having an article or not? Many custom map pages are nothing more than an infobox, a few images, and a line or two of text. Do you think we should keep those? What about pages like Construction Theme that are of barely any significance? I agree that custom MVM mission pages can be useful, but I don't see any reason to keep custom map pages to be honest. Perhaps we can keep the custom MVM missions if the pages adhere to certain guidelines, to avoid ending up with unfinished low-quality pages, like we have with custom maps. Keeping some articles and deleting others without coming up with a set of requirements for them might come across as picking favourites, in my opinion. Please excuse me if my messages look like an angry rant, I didn't get much sleep and I still haven't had my morning tea. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 11:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
There's been a lack of solid guidelines in regard to custom content on the Wiki, and it appears that those guidelines never were written down and that the current criteria is inconsistent. To my knowledge, such guidelines weren't needed at the time as it wasn't of much importance, but due to the recent highlights of the subject something needs to be done about it.
I wouldn't be entirely against removing all custom maps, though it would be rather unfortunate, as some of them (like Tark mentioned) does have some sort of value in terms of coordination/documentation. Perhaps if we were to write a policy on custom maps we could determine whether a map has enough significance to be allowed to stay/removed, though this would send us back to square 1, so it needs to be done right this time.
While the page for user-created wallpapers doesn't contribute much besides being a place where users can share their wallpapers with the rest of the community, I don't see any reason to delete it; it's merely an easy-to-access page that provides the users of the Wiki (or outside the Wiki) with high-res wallpapers, and yes I'm aware most of those wallpapers can be found on TF2's website as well.
Regarding that trivia entry, I'm honestly surprised that no one has caught up on that until now. Naming and shaming is definitely not allowed here on the Wiki, and I sincerely apologize if any witch-hunts occured against anyone mentioned in the entry. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 14:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Basically what Wookipan said, except that I don't know of any maps that should be kept. There's also the comp wiki for any comp players out there looking for competitive maps info, and they can probably cover it better than us. I'm all for custom stuff on the wiki, but it does need some guidelines. (Also the criticism directed at the wiki for not deleting Netherlands was completely unjustified as I'm 99% sure it just wasn't noticed)
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, now knowing a bit more on what happened, I'll give my thoughts regarding custom maps being on the Wiki or not. I vote for keeping only custom maps that has been from a community-contest, a campaign (like potato.tf ones), or has been mentioned on the official blog (such as tr_walkaway), as well maps that are the "non-halloween" version of official maps, such as Gravestone's original map Rumble. Maps that haven't been in any competition, community-content or anything, discard. For example, I don't know why we have this map on the Wiki. However, there's some pros and cons. I think we shouldn't remove all the custom maps because of the vulgarities and the events that happened recently, but we should take an action on the most logical decision, this is an Official Wiki, so having a Custom Maps section is sure questioning for some. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Keeping some custom maps wouldn't hurt, I guess. As long as we make sure that we write down a set of requirements for the maps that are to be kept on the Wiki, and stick to them. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 17:41, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

In patrolling, I have seen a few pages about unreleased Custom maps deleted for non-notability (I use the qualifier "unreleased" out of necessity, since the wiki uses the term both broadly and narrowly to mean released Custom maps). Among the comments was the argument that an unreleased Custom map needed to have at least placed in a map competition; a problem here is that the only competitions that can result in a Custom map winning but remaining unreleased are unofficial, and so, arguably out of the scope of the official wiki. That said, I accept other editors (seemingly?) accepting such maps from such competitions.
There are a few non-competitive maps that are more notable and influential than "contest winners" in so much as not only are they played much more often (at least historically) than the "contest winners", they have spawned many variants in the community. I am thinking specifically of Achievement Idle, Trade Plaza, Orange X, and, maybe, Trade Minecraft (popular, but no article, yet). If we have accepted articles discussing Achievement servers, Idle servers, and Trading servers, we could justify having articles about popular maps on those servers.
A personal issue I have with the state the unreleased Custom maps pages is that many if not most of them are Stubs that have remained so for years. IMO, these stub tags pollute the Stubs category, possibly discouraging work on higher priority articles. This is why I created Category:Custom maps unreleased stubs, which I need to finished populating (I was hoping a new editor would pick it up). These are the general rules I have applied or seen applied:
Criteria for accepting articles on unreleased Custom Maps: Should qualify under one or more:
  • Exceptionally notable in its own right; e.g., Walkway, Trainsawlaser(?) (There was another one I thought I saw mentioned, that was sort of a prototype for some game mode or other) IMO, there is nothing wrong about having discussions on notability on individual maps like these. Mind you, I could imagine that what is notable to the present set of active editors could be quite different from other player.
  • Very popular, presently or historically, both in playtime and derivative maps; e.g., Achievement Idle (Map Statistics as a measure? Is there an archive?)
  • Normal versions of released Halloween maps, Invasion maps, etc.
  • Contest winners; e.g., Canteen Crasher stuff, but then there is the matter of which contests are worthy ...
  • Mention in multiple "game journals of record"; (I have no idea what those journals may be, just spit-balling here)
and be reasonably complete/stable (placing in a competition is a reasonable measure of completion): the map should not be just something that someone is working on. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 22:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
and conform to Maps style. M I K A D O 282 oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Surprised this topic has come up again. It's probably worth noting that we've been stuck on this for a while now. Also for other third party content entirely like 3rd party websites. I gave up and started the discussion that lead to the Team_Fortress_Wiki:Policies#Community_websites policy. If it's becoming a problem again it might be worth considering something similar. I have no input on the matter personally because I'm only experienced with custom maps in the sense of server rotations and numerical/prop related stuff. My suggestion with things like this - and kind of more in line with the wiki mission - is if you go this route, prefer to translate the pages into useful general documentation of the modding support where you can, and note omnipresent community stuff where needed. -- Lagg Backpack Stickybomb Launcher.png 19:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Regarding mechanics that are only found through community-made stuff.

So... a while ago, I added a mechanic featured on the Huntsman that, when upgraded with Projectile Penetration upgrade, it can penetrate enemy's Projectile Shielded Medics (a trait that only happens with the Huntsman, as other weapons, upgraded or not, does not go through the shield). While this is true, I don't think there's Robot Medics with shields on official maps or missions. So, what can we do about this? Should we detail as an Unused content on the Projectile Shield page? And explain from there what can or cannot penetrate the shield from there?
I think the latter should be the more ideal way to explain on the Wiki. We already have information regarding the unused Vaccinator shields being unused only on official maps, but they still work 100% on community-made missions. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:29, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

That's actually quite interesting, and I feel like explaining it in the Unused Content section would be the best course of action. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 14:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Categories for translated picture files

Here are 2 translated pictures which are used on Mechanics/zh-hans. But I don't know if I should add "zh-hans" to their categories as well.
Please let me know which way is correct or better, and I will do the same for other translated pictures in the future.

  • Damagefalloff zh-hans.png
  • CritHitChance zh-hans.png

User Dereko Name.png 10:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

The Language Translation Guide says that the language code should be added to categories, but it doesn't mention anything about files. I think it's ok to add /zh-hans to their categories for now. If it turns out that it's not supposed to be done with files, then we can just remove it, no problem. Killicon flaming huntsman.png VasyaTheWizard (talk) • (contributions) 10:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you!
Dereko is thanking Vasya for help, with good cheer.

Madness vs. Machine content on the wiki

With the imminent launch of Madness vs. Machines, I suppose it's time to discuss about this project that involves adding Madness vs. Machine content. Currently, several people (also from Potato's Custom MvM Servers), including myself, are making mission infoboxes such as this one this mission (which is of course, made by yours truly), as well as their respective pages (be it missions or maps). This is why for the past few weeks, there's been custom MvM-related activity going on.

As of writing, over half of the mission infoboxes (which is one of the most tedious tasks in making an MvM mission page) are already finished (and hopefully matches the quality of those used by official missions), which is significant compared to previous events hosted by Potato's, where their pages on the wiki are incomplete or missing. I personally intend to complete this project before 2019 ends, despite its large scale. I am also aware the dispute of whether or not custom MvM content should even be included in the wiki in the first place, but since too much progress has already been made, the project is better off being continued.

Since this project wouldn't go unnoticed, I do want to ask any guidelines or advice regarding the implemention of custom MvM content, as simply putting all of it here without a word will certainly cause misunderstanding, one way or another. One possible issue that I do want to focus on is whether or not custom MvM content should be separated from official MvM content in regards to categories. --Bot Rot (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

This is related to the custom content on the wiki stuff, we can't speak for that yet because staff are still discussing it, but it's best to keep it on your user space for now so you can reference it anywhere you want. And if it turns out it won't be allowed, you can simply keep it there. If it will be allowed, we move it there.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Two weeks have passed, and while we've ignored what you said, there has been no interference on the ongoing addition of Madness vs. Machines content (which are actually done by content creators for Madness vs Machines including myself). If possible, I would like to hear the final decision regarding custom content on the wiki, along with advice on the do's and don'ts. --Bot Rot (talk) 09:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I can't speak for the wiki, because I am not staff. But the discussion about custom content was going on before Madness vs Machines happened, so I'd suggest you just wait for that to finish instead. Or ignore what I say again if that's what you like to do
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistency among Halloween cosmetic/item set pages

  • Different descriptions for the image in "Gallery" section:

Dereko thinks it's neccessary to unify them , what's your opinions?

User Dereko Name.png 08:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Personally I think it should be only "Steam Workshop thumbnail for the [set name]", because that's what the regular pages follow too.
The first point is because it got recently updated in the Item set template itself, so just remove any instance of that.
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Broadening the definition of Event

... or something like that; maybe "Holiday".

Folks on IRC seemed reluctant to start an article to cover the on-going Halloween celebration. Generally, IIRC, the opposition was that we can't start an Update article until the Update is released. I was never proposing writing anything about the expected Update. (Why would I suggest that? There is nothing to write about.) Others suggested that there was no event yet because there was no Update yet (cf. Scream Fortress IX?).

As far as an example of us starting an article to report activities before any actual Update, I offer the example of the Jungle Inferno Update; that article was started with the first Blog Post on the 16th, the Update didn’t occur until the 20th. All of the Halloween update articles cover both the Update Patch and the Event. I am not saying to report on anything that has not happened yet, only report on what is actually happening. I am not saying to have some half-ass incomplete article, I am saying to have something that completely covers what is known, rather than ignoring it because it is different than what we expect. We seem stuck on calling something an Event only if it starts with a Patch (admittedly very clean and convenient definition), in spite of knowing features of Events can start and stop without Patches.

What we know:  ·  There was an in-game announcement.  ·  Halloween-restricted cosmetics were activated immediately (We used to call that a Holiday!) (That used to be all we had for Halloween!)  ·  Soul Gargoyle kill counting started.  ·  Past Halloween maps were added to the Casual menu.  ·  There was an assurance made that there will be an Update with contracts and new community content.

What we don't know:  ·  When the Update will happen  ·  What valve will call the Update  ·  Whether the content will be maps or cosmetics or anything else.

We also know people have come to the wiki looking for some idea what is going on (why haven't I gotten a Soul Gargoyle yet?) and only see us ignoring the Event.

This pattern of Holiday is likely to be repeated, and we should consider how to handle it.

I say, pick a title, knowing full-well that Valve can pick its own later. I suggest Scream Fortress 2019 simply because that is close to the pattern of recent event. Maybe you prefer the title of the announcement? You know what, if that title doesn't work out after the actual Patch, we just change it, this is a wiki, wikis work like that.

All the content it needs is just the facts, especially details we have seen that were not covered in the announcement. Nothing more than "On October 2, Valve announced in-game that "Halloween has begun!" On that day, Halloween-restricted cosmetics were activated game-wide and Soul Gargoyles started counting souls on all maps. Past Halloween maps were also added to the Casual Mode menu. Halloween Contracts have not been activated yet and Soul Gargoyles have not yet dropped to new players. No date has been indicated for the Contracts or content Update."

M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Major updates and content packs

Hi, I'd like to bring a new topic - as the title says, it's about major updates and content packs

TF2 is in a cycle where the only updates it gets is holiday-based updates, and their features are as it follows - New cosmetics, few bugfixes, and in case of halloween some non-permanent maps and the same set of contracts with minor changes to it.
The issue here is that any holiday update - be it Smissmas or Halloween (or even last summer "update") is considered a major, when it is clearly not, even if Valve may say otherwise - I've also wanted to add that I'm mainly speaking of recent updates (those being from Meet your Match update in 2016 up to now) but not all the other previous holiday updates and such necessarily, as say Smissmas 2010 could be considered a major update, and this is where I get into another thing I want to bring up - just what should we consider a major update and a content pack?

First, let's start off by defining major update - In my view it is an update that fullfills the following criteria:
a) Impacts or changes gameplay/an aspect of it
b) Adds new permanent content that is not necessarily cosmetic (ie it can be maps)
c) Adds new features (given that major updates almost exclusively add new features or quality of life improvements, for example minimalized viewmodels) or change already existing features

What constitutes a content pack in my view (and which could be a good starting point)
a) New cosmetic items or addition of other items that can be considered cosmetic or part of customization (skins, hats, taunts)
b) (Exclusive to holiday content packs) Non-permanent content (ie Halloween maps that are only available for duration of the event or contract set that is locked for a time peroid; although the latter is also sort of an exception if we'd be speaking of old contracts that were time-limited before JI reworked the way they worked, but it is fair to presume that any new major update with new contract set would make them permanent at a later date, akin to JI contract pass.)

There are of course some exceptions to this: Blue Moon Pack could be considered major since it did impact gameplay via its balance changes, it did introduce several new features/quality of life improvements and reworked an entire competitive mode, at least certain aspects of it. However it did not add permanent content, other than cosmetics. Other exception would be old Smissmas updates, for example Smissmas 2010, as it did add new gamemode + map (so new permanent content), weapons and some balance changes (which impacts gameplay), added new features/quality of life improvements (itemtest and associated things with it, an ability to expand backpack).

And to finish - I would and we should not define an update off what Valve says, as in actual reality what Valve considers major is not really reflected in what the update in the question features.
tl;dr: We need to start marking updates as content or major update by their merit/features and not by what Valve says; We should change/reevaluate recent updates (starting with Halloween 2016 up to now) to whether they are major or just content packs, as well as clearly define as to what we consider content pack and a major update. Goodjob (talk) 14:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I would also want to add how [Patches#MU]] and Patches#CP are categorized differently than Template:Major_Updates_Nav (both Nav and patches page should show same things). If we want to categorise updates like Valve does we can use [3] and then put every other update in Content Packs. Also about newest "Major updates" : Smissmass 2018 isnt considered major by Valve and it added same ammount of content as normal content pack (1 case, that's it). Scream Fortess XI is even worse, it wasn't even mentioned on TF2 Blog (only in updates tab). Every "major update" since Jungle Inferno added ONLY community made content (excluding 2 Valve made taunts) such as temporary-Halloween maps, cosmetics, unusual effects and warpaints.
Killicon hhg.pngFiatSeicentoKillicon hhg.png 14:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento
I think y'all have seen me circling around the same topic on a different tack. Distinguishing Holiday, Halloween event/Scream Fortress, <o>Halloween mode</o>, and Major Updates. Valve, on occasion at least, calls Halloween an Event.
To the definition I would add "on or more of the following features" and add the following points:
d) Storyline media
e) Promotional ARG
f) Promotional lead up, whether Update Pages, blog posts, or in-game announcements (@FiatSeicento< IMO, the SFXI in-game announcement and lead-in Halloween "mode" activation count at least as much as blog posts. I think active players are more likely to see the in-game announcements.)
We have overloaded "Major Update" with "Event" because past Events came with significant Updates. Even in 2017, Halloween was a major Event in that it was widely anticipated and spiked severe activity. But as an Update, it looked like nothing, unless you see SFIX as an extension of the MAJOR Jungle Inferno -- if you look at it that way, SFIX is, by association, mush less trivia.
But if you don't see it that way, and say that there should be no Update page for SFIX, then you would not have the default place to describe the Major Halloween Event of SFIX.
I have been slowly working on the Halloween Event/Update pages to clearly express that they cover both the Event and Patch aspects of how Valve and the Community play on Halloween.
gtg, my College-age daughter wants to watch a movie with Daddy!!!
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (Help Wanted!) 18:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I think we need to make Event or Events page to straighten things up. My definitions:
  • Holidays (imo) are certain types of Events that happen annualy in certain time of a year such as: Halloween (not to confuse with Scream Fortress which is update that happens usually at the beginning of Halloween, proven this year its not same thing), Smissmass and Birthday. I didnt counted Saxxies, because they happen annualy (excluding 2017) but not in certain time of year.
  • Events are uhhh. Certain time when somethings work, but wont if event ended? I dunno. But heres list of events: Holidays ofc, Saxxies, campaign related events (Jungle inferno campaign (contracts still work, but badges were event-exclusive), Invasion (Invasion Community Update Coin worked for some time), Duck Journal event, Gun Mettle and Though Break campaigns and exc.)
  • Halloween mode is uh mode of server? Like Birthday mode its enabled by deafult at certain time and can be forced by commands. Also that Halloween enabling item.
  • Major updates and Content Packs. Content Pack is ofc anything other than normal update that adds new thing(s). Major update is (technically) very big content pack that usually has something released along with it. But wheres the border? First 3 major updates are size of content packs. Smissmass 2018 added only 1 crate but despite this on page and Nav it shows up as major update. Blue moon pack added 1 crate, tweaked weapons and reworked competetive but is still listed as content pack. We need clear definition telling us when update is content pack or rather major update.
    Killicon hhg.pngFiatSeicentoKillicon hhg.png 21:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento
Holiday may be in part a wiki construct; but, the Valve term is Holiday Restriction, as appears in the item descriptions. Valve has three Holiday Restrictions, "Winter Holiday", "TF Birthday", and "Halloween / Full Moon" (Valentine's Day doesn't count?). So, Valve identifies 3 + 13 annual Holidays, give or take. On this basis (specifically) I see no need to change Holiday.
Event: Valve additionally applies the term ""Scream Fortress event" to the collective Halloween activations, which over time have become much more than just activation of Holiday Restriction. But, practically, Valve uses "event" for any special time-limited variation in the game including community activities.
Campaigns are (were?) events with Contracts with premium buy-ins?
Halloween mode as a term is mainly a wiki construct. Essentially, the present content of the page is covered between Holiday#Halloween and Halloween event. IMO, the only reason to keep Halloween mode as a distinct page is to change it to an article devoted to tf_forced_holiday and expand it to cover all of the holiday settings.
Content Packs: I really don't know the history of the Content Packs section of Patches; I wonder if at one time these were all under Major Updates until Valve started calling certain content Patched "Packs" and "Content Packs".
Major Updates: It only thing that seems to be a distinction from Content Pack is that a "Major Update" was also (usually) an "Event", that is, there was something different and time-limited going on in the game OR there was some ARG, Storyline, or Update lead up (pages, announcements). It looks like the wiki calls it an "Update" if either Valve Calls it an Update or it is a Holiday content patch. "Event" activation aside, SFXI is a bigger, more major content update than either the Haunted Hallowe'en Special or the Pyro Update (if those two are "Major", then so is SFXI). (but Summer Event 2013 was an "Event"?)
Maybe a partial solution is to Move the Holiday Patches (because they sometimes minor but are always Events) into into Patches#Halloween, Patches#Winter Holiday, and maybe Patches#TF Birthday -- then no one will ever care again about whether they are "Major" or not.
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
I think that both "Major Updates" and "Content Packs" should be merged into one group just called "Updates". They may be major or not, they may be content packs or not, but in some regard, they are Updates, more than your regular "Patch". Maybe the name "Updates" could be something else, but I think we should consider merging them into something. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 18:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)