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:::Could also work, I'm in favour of either.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 
:::Could also work, I'm in favour of either.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 
::::Wait, I misread your idea Swood. I would prefer @BrasilianNut 's idea, because of [[Halloween Boss voice responses]] · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 23:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 
::::Wait, I misread your idea Swood. I would prefer @BrasilianNut 's idea, because of [[Halloween Boss voice responses]] · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 23:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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:::::{{Pro}} I like BrazilianNut's idea better. Furthermore, this will help us in the future when more possible announcers are added to the game. [[User:Yossef|<font color="DB9C1F">Yossef</font>]] • [[User talk:Yossef|<font color="DB9C1F">Talk</font>]] 09:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  
 
I would agree with Gramps on his first post, there should be a subpage for announcers who only have basic lines for like KoTH and Control Point maps. But, all of the announcer voices are on either Payload maps or that one Player Destruction map Farmageddon. However Braziliannut's idea is probably the best way to go about doing this, the page is going to be absolutely massive as a result of mixing all of them in there at once though.[[User:ShadowMan44|ShadowMan44]] ([[User talk:ShadowMan44|talk]]) 23:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 
I would agree with Gramps on his first post, there should be a subpage for announcers who only have basic lines for like KoTH and Control Point maps. But, all of the announcer voices are on either Payload maps or that one Player Destruction map Farmageddon. However Braziliannut's idea is probably the best way to go about doing this, the page is going to be absolutely massive as a result of mixing all of them in there at once though.[[User:ShadowMan44|ShadowMan44]] ([[User talk:ShadowMan44|talk]]) 23:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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Adding alt text to images

There doesn't seem to be a consistent method of adding alt text to pictures found in articles, which is a major accessibility barrier. It would be great if this could be managed somehow. Crabguy (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

So for images using [[File:]], the alt parameter should work fine. Images in the <gallery> tag can also use the |alt=, but it should be between the description text and the filename such as
File:Scout.png|The Scout from Team Fortress 2|The Scout. As for any templates, a separate parameter would have to be added.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
While we appreciate the initiative, adding alt texts manually to images would be an awful lot of work for something that won't hold that much value to us.
In terms of accessibility for screen readers, articles generally are well-written and tend to go in-depth about its content. In some cases, image thumbnails have visible text which describe the image.
Unfortunately, we've had users in the past that wanted to take on big tasks like this one, only to never fully go through with them, which left some inconsistencies or had us clean up after them, so we're sometimes skeptical on the delivery.
If you still believe that this is needed, we could add automatic support for it through the necessary templates, in the same way that Wikipedia does; however, galleries and such would need to be done manually. — Wookipan (talk | contribs) 22:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Staff emergency meeting

Staff emergency meeting. — Tark 14:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a notice to Talk pages

Denied has recently made a suggestion that I agree with. In their words: "Every talk page needs some edit note like THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF THE ITEM ITSELF. FOR COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS GO TO THE STEAM FORUMS."

While not necessarily with those words or formatting, I do believe adding such a notice could discourage new contributors from adding topics, sometimes creating entirely new talk pages in the process, with questions like "how do i shot bullet?" or statements such as "pootis man is funny" while teaching them the proper place for them. - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm neutral on this, I'll support it but I also think it's not too large of an issue currently. Also try avoiding using {{Quotation}} on talk pages as it breaks them.
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I think the more common misuse of talk pages is to use the talk page for talking about the page's subject, but they can both be encompassed in one message. BrazilianNut, are you picturing something like this being on MediaWiki:Newarticletext? Naleksuh (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
No, I'm not, Naleksuh, and that's the misuse I was trying to say, but I admit I failed to convey that thanks to bad examples and maybe some poor wording. - BrazilianNut (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
If you didn't mean that, then what did you mean? I was hoping you would elaborate rather than simply saying no. Naleksuh (talk) 06:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
An editnotice similar to Brain Bucket or Chicken Kiev is what I imagine he means, but on every page starting with Talk:.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:57, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
What GrampaSwood said; I meant a red edit notice, like the ones for those two articles, at the start of Talk pages telling contributors that a Talk page is for discussing the article itself, not for asking questions or making comments about the article's subject (like using a weapon's Talk page to ask how to best utilize it or to comment how they think it should be buffed/nerfed), and that they should use the Steam Forums for such things (maybe providing a link as well).
Apologies for any confusion caused by bad examples or by making my messages too short. - BrazilianNut (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
That's a tough nut. It might help to tokenize the page titles in the tag, somehow. "This <item's> Discussions are for talking about issues within the <item's> page, not for talking about the <item>." That is not easy to pose or parse. Imagine the translators. You may have mentioned this, but if you go with the tag, it should clearly state to the reader that it has a link to the full explanation of the policy.
M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 13:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram nope.png Nope. It's possible, but the amount of work involved in adding and maintaining it is far greater than simply reverting the edit and messaging the user. — Tark 21:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Create an exception for an item link from the dictionary

Please read the discussion here.
Does anyone know how to create that kind of exception? Tiagoquix (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Pages with the fewest revisions - redirects

Pages with the fewest revisions (long loading) -- there are many redirects here with names in other languages, such as Spanish and Russian. Are they OK to be in the Wiki or should they be deleted? Tiagoquix (talk) 02:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Unless redirects are actively harmful, there is no reason to remove them.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Item schema updates with blog posts

How do we go about updates with blog posts but no actual updates? For example, TF2 was not updated on October 11th 2021 outside of an item schema update and a blog post, but October 11, 2021 Patch exists. Also the "Patch 2" for September 26, 2022 Patch even though I'm pretty sure patch 2 was item schema only. Do these count as updates? Should they at least be flagged? Naleksuh (talk) 03:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Update: Eric Smith confirmed that there were really 2 patches today. Though the point remains about the first one. Naleksuh (talk) 04:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
They are Patches. Updates and Patches are synonymous. AFAIK, there was no Blog post for these Patches. What do you mean tagged?
M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 00:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
I think you may have misunderstood me. I mean that there was a post announcing an update/patch but the game was not actually updated. What happened was an item schema update, and the change to Corpse Carriers was announced there. There was no hlds email, nor any update to install. Naleksuh (talk) 18:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

CSS pages deletion request

Since I can't mark them for deletion, could the TF Wiki's staff delete them for me? Thanks in advance.
User:Tiagoquix/common.css & User:Tiagoquix/vector.css Tiagoquix (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I can delete most pages, but I can not delete or edit these. It has high protection that I can't touch.
M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 00:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png DoneTark 11:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Module:Availability

The winter2016 parameter links redirect to the wrong page. I also made a topic to add drop-expired. Could someone look at it? Thanks Mgpt (talk) 22:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Pictogram tick.png Fixed. Thanks. — Tark 17:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

contributed-by auto update

Can we have some ways to auto update contributed-by for cosmetics for different languages? Lot of times only English get updated and updating all other languages is repetitive and exhausting. Hope there could be a contributed-by dictionary or a bot that auto sync this. --AlexT 22:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

It would be really helpful to have a dictionary for that, however updating the current pages would be very time consuming.
You can force WindBOT to recheck the page, and it should automatically sync the contributed-by parameter. Here is an example: 1) input, 2) result. — Tark 14:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Hope it can be a scheduled work for all cosmetics page for the bot :/ something like every 2 weeks sync all contributed-by of recent added cosmetics, and every 6 month sync all contributed-by of all cosmetics. --AlexT 02:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

200k celebration

Hello everyone, this is a reminder to let you all know that we are fast approaching 200,000 registered users.
Last milestone which was 100K, happened back in 2019 (3 years ago), this is a good opportunity to give everyone a pat on the back for bringing the wiki to where it is today.
At the time of writing, we are at 199,535, we can positively estimate that we will reach 200K in the next few days or in the coming weeks.

Luno's profile Luno 🎃 Talk with me Luno's contributions French translation team 16:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Maybe we can do something different this time around. Instead of HLMV shots of people's loadouts, why not invite 32 players on an empty server and do screenshots there or something? I dunno. The only problem is that there would be a limit of 32 players. Last year, we had exactly 32 people on the group photo. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png  I think that making some sort of celebration is a wonderful idea, I personally think that doing another HLMV shot is not a bad take. Moreover, one of the downsides of going to an empty server, is that not everyone shares the same time-zones, it could be difficult for everyone to join a server at the same time, in my opinion. YossefTalk 17:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
True, maybe someone who is good at SFM could do a SFM poster or something, for variety's sake. I'm not good with SFM. But, we can continue with the HLMV shot. We have more people working on images now, so each one can work on a few loadouts collaboratively. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
If we can get a group photo with HLMV or SFM done, then maybe we could somehow get 3 celebrations throughout 3 different time zones so that everyone could celebrate on a server or something. It would need some planning obviously, but I think it could work.
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 18:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
I remember when 100K hit, I was personally not part of the celebration since I was not made aware it was happening, I'm very surprised to see how soon 200K was reached though.
Luno's profile Luno 🎃 Talk with me Luno's contributions French translation team 18:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Ooh, if we're doing another celebration, I definitely want to be a part of it. My loadout's a Wiki Cap, Cuban Bristle Crisis, and the Commissar's Coat, just like last time. I'd like to be holding either my Factory New Top Shelf Minigun or Golden Frying Pan. If we're doing a group shot in a server, I probably won't be around to be on it, but I'd try. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png User ThatHatGuy Signature Talk.png User ThatHatGuy Signature Contribs.png 08:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
I don't know how this was done last celebration, but I made a page for how we could organize HLMV image requests. The page is right here, pending means that the user hasn't approved their image yet in case they want a different pose or some small changes. Thoughts?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 15:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png  I like that format, pretty intuitive and straightforward. Let us know when whoever wants to participates can fill the request table ♥. YossefTalk 19:27, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Alright then, I made a new page where all the images and requests will be now. The page is right here, if any other image makers want to complete requests/add images to the image table then go ahead!
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 21:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Not to be a party popper, but the majority of our registered users are spam bots. We are, however, approaching 70k articles, which is worth celebrating. — Tark 00:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

User:Tark Where do you get the number of spam bots from? If you can find it automatically, what are CheckUsers doing? Also, "not to be a party popper", but the majority of our articles are the same article over and over in other languages. So there aren't really anywhere near 70k articles. Naleksuh (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
And then like last time, Gabrielwoj will tell you that it's just for fun, bots are mostly part of TF2 culture anyways, and we could make the cheese wheel chart argument pointing out all the shy users/those that don't know what they're doing/one offs, on the other hand 100k articles sounds like a big celebration, its years off though it seems, but we're getting there.
Luno's profile Luno 🎃 Talk with me Luno's contributions French translation team 00:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, my own loadout image is reserved, I just haven't done yet (pls don't get from my userpage). Just letting image editors know. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Here is a list of newly-made accounts. They're mostly bots.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, information for image creators: We should use the default lightrot on all of these loadout pictures, so no picture looks too drastically different from the other, in terms of lighting. The default values for lightrot are (0.000000 180.000000 0.000000). Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
We hit 200k users (and bots), by the way. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 01:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Cheers to that ! 🥂 Here is to many more years of translating, polishing, and new contributors.
Luno's profile Luno 🎃 Talk with me Luno's contributions French translation team 03:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
So now that all the image requests are complete, I think we should make a deadline for requests so that we can make the full group photo and make the userbox soon. I was thinking maybe October 24th should be the deadline. As for the in game server celebration idea, I was thinking the 3 times could be 4 AM EST, 10 AM EST, and 6 PM EST, and the day we do this should be on a weekend. Thoughts?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 14:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Sounds nice, would have been nicer to do the end of the month or even the end of Scream Fortress, I feel like there are still a lot of people that are unaware of this little celebration, to me it feels a little like a family gathering rather than a simple number celebration, which is sweet in a way, hopefully mostly everyone was made aware so that they had a chance to hop on.

Luno's profile Luno 🎃 Talk with me Luno's contributions French translation team 21:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Looks like one more person has submitted a request, so I'll move the deadline to October 28th now in case more people add requests.
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 14:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Thoughts on this group photo? Is there anything that should be changed/are there any other last requests? Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 14:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

User Andrew360 200k-groupphoto.png

Some of the characters are bigger than the rest, probably will require resizing some of them (my Scout, for instance, looks the biggest out of the group), while the Pyro looks the smallest. I think some of the classes could be more close to each other like the 100k group image. The Demoman at the right is floating a little, too. I can try adjusting these things if you would like. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 15:47, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Same opinion here, some mercs looks small and/or are spaced apart. But otherwise amazing job on the group image. Decimate (talk) 18:29, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Looks like me (the BLU pyro) and a few other people only have the upper body and shorter than other people. --AlexT 20:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Alrighty then, I tried to make everyone a bit more closer together and I tried to scale some of the images. If this still isn't good enough, then maybe Woj or someone else could try to make the group photo.
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 20:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Community announcers with a large amount of response

So the {{Audio Nav}} states that community announcers should be on the map page rather than having their own page. However, Davy Jones has its own responses page. I suggest that for announcers with large amount of voice lines, such as the Crasher voice lines and the Bread Space voice lines, they should get their own page. This would reduce the amount of clutter on the page. I suggest it would have to be judged on a case-by-case basis. For example, the Crasher announcers have 100+ voice lines, but the Toastmaster only has 10.
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:46, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Pictogram plus.png Agreed · Ashe (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png  I agree with that statement. However, for consistency sake, I think that perhaps making an additional “category” can be created for announcers with few voice lines, in the same Nav. This category can be called something around “Minor Announcers”.
YossefTalk 21:59, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
How about a "Community announcers" page instead of one page for every announcer with lots of lines? - BrazilianNut (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Could also work, I'm in favour of either.
GrampaSwood (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Wait, I misread your idea Swood. I would prefer @BrasilianNut 's idea, because of Halloween Boss voice responses · Ashe (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png  I like BrazilianNut's idea better. Furthermore, this will help us in the future when more possible announcers are added to the game. YossefTalk 09:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I would agree with Gramps on his first post, there should be a subpage for announcers who only have basic lines for like KoTH and Control Point maps. But, all of the announcer voices are on either Payload maps or that one Player Destruction map Farmageddon. However Braziliannut's idea is probably the best way to go about doing this, the page is going to be absolutely massive as a result of mixing all of them in there at once though.ShadowMan44 (talk) 23:27, 30 October 2022 (UTC)