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== Dark Mode ==
  
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I don't think I even need to explain this. Wikipedia itself has it, so do other wikis. I do have a browser extension for dark mode, and optimally a dark theme for TFwiki should still keep muted earthy orangish tones and such, but at this point with my eye strain I'd take anything. It would encourage more dedicated editing streaks, perhaps, since many of us are night owls too.--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 03:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
  
== Broken external links on Tf Wiki pages ==
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:Easier said than done, it's being worked on but we can't promise anything.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
:Everyone who desire to work with this [[User:FreemBOT/Pages|list]] and fix broken links can do so--[[User:FreeXMan|<font style="text-shadow:green 0px 0px 9px;"><b><font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">FreeXMan</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:FreeXMan|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/FreeXMan|Cont]]</font></font> 11:02, 28 May 2012 (PDT)
 
:What do you mean by fixing? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 16:24, 7 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::Finding new versions of old pages, or removing the link if no current version exists. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 20:26, 7 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
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== Valve Store ==
== {{tl|Backpack item}} improvements (again) ==
 
  
Since only 4 people chimed in last time.
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The official Store has been closed down for months now by Valve, and there's no reasonable smidgeon of proof to believe it's coming back any time soon. The Wiki, in many articles, links directly to the Store still, or mentions it, but even tooltips for certain hats will just say they're "not available". This is kind of awkward, and makes the average user waste a click (the horror, I know). And even I get a false hope sometimes that it changed, but it's Valve after all. Should something be done about this, and how? Can there be an automatic disclaimer the Store is gone? Should links be removed? Just let the dead ends sit forever?--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 02:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
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:Try to find an archive.org version of it, otherwise just add a tooltip saying it's not available anymore due to store shutdown.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
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== Painted variants with both Styles and separate Classes images, a design proposal ==
| item-name      = Your Eternal Reward
 
| custom-name    = Le Swag
 
| quality        = strange
 
| item-level    = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337
 
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim
 
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs
 
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise
 
| width = 25%
 
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Hi. So, I have several mockups of things to suggest which I'll be writing it up eventually. For now, I was making changes to the [[Robot Chicken Hat]] page, and was thinking about adding class variants to the paint gallery, as each class changes the hat's design a little (taller combs, different beak designs, etc.). However, if I were to make those paint variants per class, the current way we put styles and classes to the table looks... off, to say the least. At the moment, if I were to make it consistent with the rest of the Wiki, it would look like this: [https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL]. But, instead, I thought about this mock-up: [https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK]. Not only this looks more visually appealing, but it also takes a lot less space. The only problem that it may be confusing for cosmetics that separate styles by a group of classes ([[Cotton Head]], [[Brotherhood of Arms]], etc.). So... I thought about just making the class buttons that aren't active a little darker (same thing with the Style name): [https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT]. Here's another example with the Cotton Head: [https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG]. Mouse-hovering the class icons could also show their class names ("Pyro, Medic, Spy" and "Other classes" in the case of Cotton Head) Thoughts? [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
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:I like this proposal, although I think it's not necessary for every page. Only for the ones where the tabs become too much.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
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== Inconsistency regarding items with one team color, but shows team-colored parts of a player model ==
| item-name      = Your Eternal Reward
 
| custom-name    = Le Swag
 
| quality        = strange
 
| item-level    = Face-Melting Knife - Kills: 1337
 
| att-1-positive = Upon a successful backstab you rapidly disguise as your victim
 
| att-2-positive = Silent Killer: No attack noise from backstabs
 
| att-3-negative = Wearer cannot disguise
 
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New fonts, consistent colors and font size, blah blah blah. Putin your 2 cents, please. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:20, 28 May 2012 (PDT)
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Hello. So, when I started adding tabs to the paint variants, and just browsing the Wiki as a whole, I noticed that a couple pages are inconsistent in regards to the unpainted variants. In almost every case of cosmetics that use part of the player model, but only has 1 skin (not team-colored), the team-colors syntax isn't added to the tab, and we only have the UNPAINTED version on the paint variants table (example includes the [[Soldier's Stash]], [[Horrible Horns]] on Spy, and much more), but some other pages still shows the BLU variant of a player model despite the item only having one skin ([[Texas Half-Pants]], [[Millennial Mercenary]]'s Streaming 2Fort style, [[Exquisite Rack]], [[Battle Bob]]'s With Helmet style, [[Bacteria Blocker]]'s Headphones style, etc).
  
:{{c|Support}} I like the fact that it is the font and font colour from the game itself. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 01:16, 29 May 2012 (PDT)
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Some other pages also includes two identical RED and BLU images for the infobox, just because the item has two materials per team, but still uses the same exact texture and values (basically two identical .vmt files). I don't remember what pages has it now, but there are some pages that has that. I did that on [[Decorated Veteran]] since I've heard about doing that in the past before: "even if they look identical, put in two separate uploads". There's also no current way to just show one skin on the infobox (however that's something I'm looking to suggest soon enough on my mega infobox improvements topic).
:{{c|Support|Snap!}} [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 02:28, 29 May 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:{{c|x|Against}} because it is: Better readable ''<or>'' More Original ; I think it is better to show it more cleary, instead of a 100% copy of every game aspect. Also in each resolution the size differs, f.e. in low resolutions the wiki also is not good readable... (<small>this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanted to mention it</small>). [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 13:38, 31 May 2012 (PDT)
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Because we use the infobox, as well the RED and BLU parts of the paint variants table to show the different Skin Colors of the ITEM, I would say to actually cleaning it up these inconsistencies. So, for instance, on Texas Half-Pants, there wouldn't RED and BLU images for each style, because they look identical on either team, and, there's only two skins on the model (one for the Tan style, the other for the Midnight style [older cosmetics used a different way in handling styles, as opposed to separate models, many old cosmetics would use different skins for styles, and the Item Schema would redirect what skins to use depending on the style chosen]). The colors change on the images right now, because it's the colors of Engi's default pants, but not the actual item model changing colors. Meaning that, the RED / BLU on the infobox would be removed, the BLU_... images would be deleted, and the RED_ images would be moved to the _UNPAINTED.png suffix instead.
:{{c|x|Against}} It's not how the graphic looks in-game, so why change it? Also, this text is harder to read than the original. --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 18:59, 6 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:: Actually it is a replica of the in-game appearance. Also it remains readable, which is all that matters. Not how much more- or less-readable it is compared to the old version. If that were the case we would be using White on Black and the Helvetica font to be absolutely maximum readable - however this is obviously not necessary as long as it remains above the baseline of legibility. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 18:17, 7 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|support}} I like it. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:40, 8 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Neutral}} Not as easy on the eye as I would expect, but I guess it'd be okay. Hm. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:28, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} It's nice. It synergises with the Wiki really well, as well as strengthening the link between the game and the Wiki itself. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:18, 14 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Neutral}} The TF2 font is fairly readable, however I'm not sure we should be copying every aspect from the game verbatim when the current font works just fine. As our goal is to communicate information clearly, why should we make it more difficult even if it is only slightly? We should probably get more user input from different TF2 communities as this is a site-wide change, before taking any action (official forums, Facepunch, reddit etc.), to see whether this change would be accepted. Also, as the fonts are hosted by [[User:WindPower|Wind]], we'll need his approval as this might increase the load on his server due to this being site-wide. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:28, 15 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} | It would be an extremely good addition to the wiki, if this were implemented. -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:28, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} I don't see why not. It's still perfectly readable and looks better --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} This template is ''meant'' to be a reproduction of the in-game thingy (that's why it looks lik the in-game one), so why make a compromise on its fonts when we can make them the same? It's still readable, and it doesn't make any difference to the existing load on my server because all fonts are loaded all the time anyway. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:02, 26 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} Looks good. Gives everyone a good picture of TF2-style text. Collector1
 
:{{c|Support}}  Yeah, new text is much better. I like it. And it's very readable. [[User:Bel|Bel]] 01:15, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|X|Against}} I find this new template's text more difficult to read than current template's text. Good idea though. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 12:10, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|X|Against}} I find it harder to read. Plus the original text is how it's like in-game [[User:Wariopunk|Wariopunk]] 03:31, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} Looks to be more in keeping with the spirit of TF2, and this wiki. It's larger, and consequently easier to read. [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 07:16, 31 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Neutral}} It follows the spirit of TF2, which I approve of. However, the font will be harder to read on smaller resolutions. [[User:JayLow|JayLow]] 10:06, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} Looks nice, consistent with the game itself, why not, really? [[User:Zabidenu|Zabidenu]] 15:58, 6 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|X|Against}} Looks nice but it's harder to read. It sort of looks dirty on my resolution too. I'd suggest using the sans-serif front because it looks cleaner and more professional. [[User:ErroR|ErroR]] 13:56, 8 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} The font helps strengthen the bond between the wiki and the game it's informing about. [[User:Damax3rd|Damax3rd]] 16:22, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|x|Against}} Font is hard to read [[User:Ownage Hamster|Ownage Hamster]] 19:52, 10 August 2012 (PDT)
 
'''No real strong reason to oppose this. Implemented.''' '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 00:47, 14 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== How should the "class" taunts pages be improved? ==
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Some may argue that, since the team-colored paint can image previews also change the pants colors, that these should stay in, but, I don't agree. These are to show the item's team-colors being affected (both the UNPAINTED versions and the team-colored paint cans), not the player model's team-colors, but let me know what do you think.
  
So i just saw that the [[Soldier taunts]] page lists all taunts, but mostly a link is missing on how the taunts are performed. So  i added myself one link to a demonstration video. ([http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier_taunts&diff=1017546&oldid=939349 Look here]) But i thought this way is not that perfect and we need a better way of doing it. Sooo we need a strategy. Suggestions pleaseee, because i have no idea about either a template adjustment to the videos of each taunts(sets) or if there should be seperated movies about it. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 10:53, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
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Items that have 0 changes on team-colors despite having them (same exact .vmt values), I'd also say to get rid of it, as they provide no real information for the reader other than perhaps modders, so they don't need to go all the way of decompiling models to add team-color support, for instance. Some require close inspection however. The [[Mann-Bird of Aberdeen]] looks like to be the case, but the green area is just slightly brighter on BLU. I'd still keep the same colors for Styles and classes (like [[Team Captain]] for Heavy), until a more fully-fledged infobox edit comes along the way that adds support to just 1 skin on the infobox (like this: [https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0 https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0]). I will still point out many of these on my eventual discussion of infobox changes in another topic. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
: I could conceivably make a script that will composite the frames from hlmv into a video file suitable for upload. I'll make it my next project after the quality database is finished. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:54, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
 
: There's no need to have a video demonstration on the taunt pages; the images and text are sufficient for showing what happens during the taunt and the [[TFW:Weapon Demonstration|weapon demonstration project]] shows the taunts too. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:{{c|support}} I was thinking about maybe using a .gif or attached video like you said, mainly the attached video like the demonstration video for weapons due to .gif's either being choppy or not in good quality. [[User:Domo1037|-Domo1037]]
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:I would support every page having both team colours.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
  
== Ad media ==
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== Articles for individual environmental hazards ==
  
whats with the ad media everywhere? a lot of things are highlighted with ad media. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:55, 4 June 2012 (PDT)
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Some of the older environmental hazards have their own articles. Specifically, they are: [[Ghost]], [[Pumpkin bomb]], [[Saw blade]], and [[Train]].
:What? The official wiki doesn't use ads, while www.tf2wiki.com (the unofficial one) does. Where are these ads you speak of? <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 20:56, 4 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
...ok maybe its just my computer but things are highlighted in green and it links me to ad media shananigans. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 21:04, 4 June 2012 (PDT)
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These are some fairly simple hazards: ghost goes "boo", pumpkin bomb goes "boom", blade goes "bzzt", and train goes "''[Train horn noises]''". They all have fairly short articles, and are also covered in the [[Environmental death]] article.
:Hmm... That's weird. Is it your browser? I know of a couple that basically have built in ad machines. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 21:06, 4 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:Most likely you have something injecting ads into the webpage, be it a malicious browser extension or some adware program on your computer or your ISP itself injecting ads into the webapges you see (happens). This wiki has no advertisements on links, or banner ads, or pop-ups, or anything. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:08, 4 June 2012 (PDT)
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I propose we change these four into redirects to the Environmental death article, similar to [[Pitfall]].
::Maybe run a scan on your computer to see what's going on? Have you ran any executables or been to any 'unusual' websites in the past few days? -[[User:NameUser|NameUser]] 22:59, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Seperate scoreboard page ==
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As for their Update histories, I have three ideas:
I was looking through the [[HUD]] page today, specifically for information on the Scoreboard and the points one gets for doing actions. To my surprise, there isn't a page that has both scoreboard information and the points one recieves. I was a bit surprised, really, so I set about making [[User:Wingless/Scoreboard|this new page]]. This unifies the necessary Scoreboard information, as well as detailing where things are on the scoreboard (with that new image) and makes things clear and concise (I hope)! With this page, there wouldn't be a need for the [[Points]] page (thus it can be deleted), and people could get two lots of information from a single page. Also, considering the information about the scoreboard has been taken from the HUD page, a simple sentence can be put in it's place alongside the generic ''Main article: Scoreboard'' thing.
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* Add the section to the Environmental death article and carry them over.
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* Create a separate page for that (similar to the [[Item timeline]] pages).
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* Ignore them (essentially already the case for all the hazards that don't have their own articles).
  
I just wanted other people's opinion's before I considered posting this. Thanks in advance (also, I apologise if this discussion is in the wrong section)! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:49, 6 June 2012 (PDT)
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I am ok with [[Skeletons]] and the Halloween bosses having their own articles, however, as they are more elaborate (which is noticeable by simply comparing article sizes).
:{{c|Support}} zis [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 13:29, 6 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::{{c|support}} It'll be good to have a page explaining points and what exactly the elements of the scoreboard do. <big> — </big>[[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#AA1DC6"><big>'''Xenak'''</big></font>]]</span> <small>(</small>[[User_talk:Xenak|<span style="text-background:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Talk'''</small></font></span>]]<small>|</small>[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:white 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#C419D0"><small>'''Contribs''']]</small></font></span><small>)</small> 13:43, 6 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::{{c|Support}} It makes sense to link the scoreboard page with the points page, and the points page is so short it feels like something is missing. This page fits the bill nicely. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:45, 6 June 2012 (PDT)
 
{{c|Comment}} Done, thanks everyone! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:14, 14 June 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Class article galleries are a mess ==
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Opinions? - [[User:BrazilianNut|BrazilianNut]] ([[User talk:BrazilianNut|talk]]) 16:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
  
I'd really like to clean up the class galleries. It's been on my list of things to do for awhile. Take the [[Engineer#Gallery|Engineer gallery]] for example. We have concept art, noteworthy class stills, and promo stuff.  
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:I think some of these pages can add value, such as the specifics in the hazard infobox. I'd push for more articles rather than less, similar to [[List of game modes]], where each hazard has its own page as well as a short description on the overall page. I would prefer this because it would cut down on the clutter on the Environmental death page, for example the pumpkin bomb section is 5 identical hazards that are just reskinned. It would be better to have this in a gallery on its own page, rather than several entries on that page.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't think anything having to do with other games should be present on these galleries. All of those Worms images belong on the [[Worms: Reloaded]] article, all of the MNC and SMNC stuff belongs on those respective articles.  
 
I also think the "Class cards" should just be removed. They aren't cards, they're images of the classes. We have one of those at the top of the article. The class's default arsenals should either be removed to added to class infobox at the top of the article.
 
Once the promos and "class cards" are gone, I think images should be sorted by age, oldest first. So, TF/TFC images first, then TF2 concept art, then trading cards, then any other TF2-age shots worth keeping.
 
I believe these changes will make the galleries look much better, cleaner, as well as flesh out the promo articles a little.
 
Opinions? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:19, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:<s>They are actually cards.</s> Oh wait, now I know what you mean. Yeah, those are unnecessary. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 13:20, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== The other versions of the killicons ==
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:: I believe it is better to keep the pages separate, as putting them all together in one could generate a lot of visual clutter, in addition to having a lot of information for the reader to consume at once. Furthermore, it would be complicated to gather all the update histories on the articles. Essentially, we would be taking separate articles and combining them into one big article, where each section (divided by {{code|<nowiki>== Section title ==</nowiki>}}) would be a "complete" article.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 18:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
  
I have noticed throughout the wiki that pages which have killicons only have the versions that are seen when they apply to the player, and not the white-on-black ones when they don't. I believe we should use some CSS to make it so hovering over one of these killicons will show the white-on-black versions. This is of course easier said than done but I want to see whether everyone else thought it a good idea. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:51, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
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== A request ==
:It's Beige-on-Brown/Brown-on-Beige but {{c|support}}. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 14:53, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:This doesn't add anything of value to the page which isn't already communicated by the image already in place. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 15:01, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Paint Style Overlinking ==
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In Polish language we don't capitalise most words like in English language and the way quality items have their quality displayed looks like this: Rocket launcher (vintage). The problem is that in [[Template:Mann-Conomy Nav]] Vintage quality in Polish and Russian is not capitalised and looks weird in the template where everything is capitalised except this one word. Is it possible to add a new entry in the dictionary for this template only, where 'Vintage' is capitalised for these languages? In Polish it's even more confusing, because [[Classic]] and Vintage share the same translation, so it could be shown in the tempalte as 'Vintage quality' (Jakość klasyczna in Polish). [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  
When looking at the team colored painted variants for an item (such as [[Flip-Flops]]), the text RED and BLU are linked for every paint. This is a case of overlinking, and can be fixed, but would cause a lot of updates. The fix lies in {{tl|Dictionary/items}}, wherein the team paints are all named (using RED and BLU links). By removing these links for all but the first paint (waterlogged lab coat IIRC) it would solve this problem. The catch lies in whether or not pages use this dictionary entry aside from via transclusion to {{tl|Painted variants}}. Ideas? {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 18:35, 15 June 2012 (PDT)
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:If it's the very first letter that needs to be capitalised, you can use <nowiki>{{ucfirst:<string>}}</nowiki> to turn the first letter into a capital. For example, <nowiki>{{ucfirst:hello world}}</nowiki> generates {{ucfirst:hello world}}.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
: Might I suggest that they don't need to be defined seperately or linked at all? Just replace (in the template) with a lookup for the base paint name and bolt on the team name, none of it linked... [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:15, 16 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::Not linked at all sounds great. I don't see how you could configure it to not be defined separately, though. {{User:Darkid/Sig}} 07:34, 16 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::It's been over a week since I said that, so I think that merits pushing this change. I'll wait a day or two if I hear anything against this in the next 2 hours... [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:23, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::: {{c|disagree}} I don't know if I'd want to hunt around a table looking for the entry that holds the link. It's one thing to not link something more than once in a flowing paragraph, but in a table like this someone might be looking specifically for Cream Spirit, and not even notice that Waterlogged is the only one with a link [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::::(am now holding off for 1 day) I have no trouble locating the links (they're in the Dictionary wrapper), and would (As per above) remove all the links. RED and BLU are linked to on any painted item's page in the navbox. I understand the sentiment, though, of hunt+peck through a table for a link. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Darkid, please realize that just because nobody has objected doesn't mean that everybody supported, and that it's not a legitimate reason to go ahead and make a change that will affect large amounts of the wiki. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:30, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
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::Could you help me with this? I've changed it in [[Template:Mann-Conomy Nav]] but doesn't seem to capitalise the first letter. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
:Hence my wait. However, a week is sufficient time for someone to read the thread and comment. I can't be asked to petition around to see if the topic is passable (by say posting on every admin's talk page). [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 12:32, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::::: {{c|disagree}} I think it's a lot easier to have the linked names. They're not that much of a bother, in fact they're tiny, and removing all but one or two of the links will look slightly odd in my opinion. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:50, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
A quote from wikipedia's Manual of Style: ''Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.'' I feel that this link set, while not *aggravating* per se, is a gross example of overlinking. Besides, the pages [[Red]] and [[Blue]] don't have that much to do with these paint colors, except that the paints look different when on these teams. That would indicate that a link to [[Paint Can]] would be more useful. The fix would not, as has been suggested, remove only a subsection of these links, it would instead remove all of them. Again, there is no need (and no need to assume) that people are going to have trouble/want to see the pages [[RED]] and [[BLU]] after/from this page. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 16:04, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
 
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Ahem. So, I see a few concerns:
 
* First, this change is hard to push. '''False''': The strings are in a dictionary wrapper, and easy to change.
 
* Second, removing some of the links will cause an issue. '''True''': Thus, all links will be removed.
 
* Third, removing all of the links will cause an issue. '''Debatable''': However, it seems unlikely that '''A.''' People will want to read a page about sub-companies and merchandise for a fictional team after looking at paints for an item and '''B.''' People will have trouble finding these links if they want to do so.
 
* Fourth, removing these links will cause a massive update. '''Partially true''': This change will update 182 hats (in all languages), and will update no more than that, as these strings are only used on paintable hat pages. The strings will be changed simultaneously, so that each page need update only once.
 
Feedback? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 20:54, 21 June 2012 (PDT)
 
: {{c|support|I agree on all counts}} It's also going to be slightly more optimal to not have a dictionary entry throwing out links. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 03:48, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} There really isn't a big necessity of having those pages linked everywhere, so I guess it's okay to remove those links. Afterall, the two companies are already in the index, on the [[Main Page]]. And the RED and BLU pages aren't really that important in the hat pages, such that if they are left out of those articles, it won't make much of a difference. Also, the pages will look a lot better. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:56, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Agree}} Though, my suggestion is to simply remove all of the links for RED and BLU. It's rather obvious to anyone that has played the game for a few minutes that they're going to be team-colored. One thing that would also help this is to put both images for the team-colored previews in one column for each of the respective paints. The redundant names are also a bit of an eyesore. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 20:28, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:Liquidfire says (Via IRC): ''I {{c|agree}}. In my opinion, they should only be showed once'' [[User:LiquidFire]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Agree}} Indeed, I prefer to have all the links removed. It will look far better than the sheer over-linking or the odd one-or-two links. At any rate, there are almost always links on every Hat's page that already link to the respective team pages. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 15:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Agree}} Remove all links. Red and Blu are not important things to link to. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:04, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::Failing insane thunderstorms, I'll push this change tomorrow. Brace yourselves :P [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Translating MediaWiki UI Strings ==
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:::Hmmm, yeah seems like the automatic translation templates automatically uncapitalise it. If you really wanted to implement this you'd have to use the {{tl|lang}} template instead.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Hello everybody (again) <small>(Don't you ever get tired of mah discussorz?)</small>,
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::::[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Mann-Conomy_Nav&diff=3408072&oldid=3388990 I already did it once and...] [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  
I've come to realize that using our {{tl|lang}} template, we can translate the MediaWiki UI with great ease. If we can get all of our translators together, we can contribute to translate most if not all of the UI.
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:::::Perhaps leave a hidden comment and use {{tl|lang incomplete}}?<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
  
For example, at the [[#firstHeading|top of this page]] there is a header which says "Project page". This string is stored at [[MediaWiki:Nstab-project]], which only admins can edit. If all the translators can meet together to translate these core UI strings, we can have a more localized UI for the other languages, which makes everything better. (For example, the Spanish version of ''Project page'' would be ''Página de proyecto'' <small>(if I translated that correctly)</small>).
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::::::I've coppied how it looked oryginally but now it shows as red link 'VintageVintage'. Could you look what's wrong with [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Mann-Conomy_Nav&diff=3584139&oldid=3583139 this edit]? Except equals sign. I've fixed it later. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 13:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Obviously, this would require admin approval, which in turn requires community approval. Please feel free to discuss, and add any additional pros or cons as you see fit. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 18:01, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
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{{Outdent|6}}Looks like you forgot to add a vertical bar, which made the link <nowiki>[[VintageVintage]]</nowiki>.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
:'''Concern #1: Time.''' How bad is this on that?
 
:'''Concern #2: Ease of translation.''' Should be peachy.
 
:'''Concern #3: Necessity.''' Eh... if you found more of these, I'd be happy.
 
<br>[[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:31, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Look around you. All of the tabs on the top of the page, the options to move, delete, and otherwise modify pages, the quick links at the top of the page (My talk, etc), the sidebar to the left, the options while editing a page... There are many, many UI strings that can and should be translated. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 03:06, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
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== Mann Manor/Mountain Lab's history ==
  
: I am a russian translator and I have set 'russian language UI' in my wiki settings. Being logged in, instead of 'Project page' I see russian translation ('О проекте'). So guess UI is already localized.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 03:39, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
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I feel maps that we know more detailed information on the history of we should actually have written down so it isn't forgotten, such as for example, Mann Manor/Mountain Lab being an art contest was not the original plan in fact the maps used to have textures before but, that's just what I think. [[User:The American Boot|The American Boot]] ([[User talk:The American Boot|talk]]) 04:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  
== Missing images in some browsers ==
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:If you think this fact is worth and most player don't know, you can try adding it to Trivia section. Here is a more detailed [[Help:Style_guide/Trivia|Trivia guild]].[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 05:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
  
For some reason, The Scout's leaderboard class icon doesn't show up in Firefox. Nor do some achievement icons (forget which), or the Banana Peel's backpack icon. Why is this?[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:22, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
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:I'm not sure where this Trivia came from or if there is any source for. The [[Art Pass Contest]] page states that Robin Walker said they had a map that hadn't been worked on for a while and they didn't have time to do an art pass on it (which means the map just had dev textures).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
: They work fine in my Firefox [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 17:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:: What version are you using? I have 13.0.1.[[User:Open Source Forever|Open Source Forever]] 17:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Those Archive links ==
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== Weapon articles mentioning taunts that aren't kill taunts ==
  
So I just noticed that 2010 and 2011 run January-December (Top-Bottom), while 2012 runs December-January (Top-Bottom). This should be fixed, and I'd quickly suggest to flip 2010 and 2011, since that way it would read Newest-Oldest (Top-Bottom). [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 18:23, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
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I've noticed a few articles for weapons mentioning that those weapons have a unique taunt that is not a kill taunt, or a variation of the default weapon for that slot (which is still not a kill taunt). These are the [[Lollichop]], which mentions it has a unique taunt based on a scene from Meet the Pyro, and the [[Third Degree]] and [[Neon Annihilator]], which mention the added guitar sounds, respectively. In comparison, the [[Cow Mangler 5000]], [[Scottish Resistance]], and [[Ullapool Caber]], which also have unique taunts, do not mention them since they're not kill taunts, and the [[Vita-Saw]], which has has a variation of the default taunt, does not mention said variation.
:As seems to be the catch phrase around here, Be Bold! So I'm pushing through these changes. [[User:Darkid|Darkid]] 17:19, 26 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== New idea ==
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I think we should remove these notes from the Lollichop, Third Degree, and Neon Annihilator, as they are already all noted in the Pyro taunts page.
  
Hey guys, so today I thought of adding something to the item page of the wiki, trading price. This game does focus on the community a lot and trading seems to be a big part of it. Just an idea and I'm wondering what you guys think of it. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Domo1037|Domo1037]]''' ([[User talk:Domo1037|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Domo1037|contribs]]) 09:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)</small>
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Speaking of the [[Pyro taunts]] page, I think we can move the "as in Meet the Pyro" comment from the Lollichop's description to a new Trivia section and add that Execution is also based in a Meet the Pyro scene (which is not mentioned). - [[User:BrazilianNut|BrazilianNut]] ([[User talk:BrazilianNut|talk]]) 16:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
:{{c|Disagree|No.}} Item prices are subjective and depend with each trade; the Wiki is focused on factual information. There are already several sites out there focused on item prices, but since it's not specific, objective information, we should leave it out of the WIki. Also, this has been suggested several times in the past and was rejected every single time, for the reasons specified above. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 05:42, 27 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Neutral|Oh, okay then}} I was just being the curious guy I am. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Domo1037|Domo1037]]''' ([[User talk:Domo1037|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Domo1037|contribs]]) 09:47, 27 June 2012 (UTC)</small>
 
  
== Template:Item icon ==
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:I think variants on an existing taunt should be mentioned, such as different sounds (such as the Third Degree/Neon Annihilator adding guitar sounds and the Vita-Saw having different melodies being played), but the non-kill taunt shouldn't be mentioned (no note about the Lollichop taunt. Although seeing as it's unique to that weapon, I think the Trivia can stay).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
  
With the release of the new weapons, I have noticed an interesting occurrence in this template. When it is specified a link which does not exist, it simply displays a redlink. This could be changed with an {{#ifexist:}} to link to[[File:Item icon Unknown.png|48px]]. Since this is a heavily used template, we should consider whether this is simply a minor inconvenience to be pushed with a later update, or if it should be pushed independently. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 16:58, 27 June 2012 (PDT)
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== Main menu Smissmas 2023 header localization ==
:It's very doable, and the way it currently is does mess up the layout a lot. I'm going to go ahead and implement a similar version; it will try to use the backpack icon before it uses the unknown one. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:25, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::Scratch that, only an admin can do it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:26, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Dat protected page, yep. Anyways, it still seems a good idea. Anyone else wanna comment? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] 06:35, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::::I suggest you go ask an admin about it, for example on the [[Team Fortress Wiki:IRC|IRC channel]]. <div style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User:Freakie|Freakie]]</div> 06:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::::Two admins, WindPower and Moussekateer, agreed that the <tt><nowiki>{{#ifexist:}}</nowiki></tt> tag is too expensive for the server when this template is used many times in a single page. The best solution for now is to redirect the item icon images to the backpack images. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 06:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:I agree--but that's rather self-defeating, since they'll get overwritten. It is true that ifexist is expensive. BTW, how did you ask them? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 19:02, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::Sorry for the late response{{n}}I asked them through the [[TF:IRC|#tfwiki-staff channel]]. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:08, 4 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Comics ==
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'Smissmas 2023' is localized but 'December 7 - January 7' is not. Is it possible to localize it too? [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 10:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
  
Should the illustrations for "Soldier Needs a Home" and the Poopy Joe Senate Hearing transcripts be included in the [[Comics]] page? If not, are they going to just stay on the [[Pyromania]] page? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:50, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
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:See [[Template:Dictionary/common_strings#.5BMain_Page.5D_Smissmas_2023|Dictionary common strings]].<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
: {{c|Support}} The Poopy Joe script should be added. It's quite a story, and an addition to the TF2 lore. "soldier needs a home" is hilarious, but far too short. I wish the made the other pages as well. Anyway, it does explain how the dumpster diver set came to be. Perhaps that story will be continued some other time... [[User:K-Raider NL|K-Raider NL]] 02:23, 2 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== TF2 Wiki Table of Contents ==
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:: Thanks. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
An Idea to help TF2 wiki user to search items with ease.
 
It is an organized list with all classes and items.
 
  
The Organization works by using Althebeticalation, Classification, and Categorization.
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== Link of the wiki team fortress energie drink don't work ==
  
The approved and finalized list will be placed on the navigation bar on the left side of this webage: or the TF2 Wiki sidebar.
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[[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_Wiki:Wiki_Birthday#Official.E2.84.A2_Team_Fortress_Energy_Drink]] you see this page on the wiki contain a team fortress wiki energie drink with a link for have it but it don't work and is not secure, can someone help me ? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]]''' ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Nonolemage|contribs]]) 2023-12-21, 13:46 UTC</small>
  
Here is a picture preview: it will look much different on the actual page.
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:Please sign your messages using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
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:The website appears to be down and no archive of it exists, so unless someone here happens to have a copy we can't do much.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
  
[[File:User General Cap TF2 Wiki Table of Contents Updated.JPEG ]]
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== Multiple Suggestions related to Infobox, etc ==
  
Tell me what you think.
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Hi. I have been wanting to write this in the past, but, well, finally here it is. I have a couple suggestions about things related to infobox, and other things to make the design of the Wiki flow better on certain articles. I will be posting here as it covers a multitude of topics, as opposed to posting each one of them on their respective templates. When adding "Support" and "Not Support" on your responses, please make sure to add the number (and letter) behind to specify what you are supporting (or not supporting) as a change (like: "1-c"). With that said, let's get going:
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:General Cap|General Cap]]''' ([[User talk:General Cap|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/General Cap|contribs]]) 13:34, 20:34, 28 June 2012</small>
 
  
:I took the liberty of correcting your formatting. Please create a new section and sign at the end of your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 16:44, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
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:I did. It just somehow got put to the side of the picture in stead of below if that's what you mean. Next time I will try a double space.
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1) Implement a way on the {{code|Item infobox}} template where if a style or class has only one team-color compared to other styles with team-colors, include an icon in the middle of both teams. For instance:
--General Cap 13:21, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
 
::How would it work? Where would this list be located? What benefits would this list bring the Wiki? I need to know a little more about this list/project before I can make an educated opinion. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 13:58, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Currently, that formatting hurts my eyes. However, the concept is a potentially useful one. [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/All_articles/en|This page]] does very nearly that already, it just isn't pretty. Honestly, if you were able to create and maintain it, there's no harm. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a good reason wherein I would actually want to see a list. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 14:04, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
 
  
A good reason for TF2 Wiki to have a Table of Contents is because Wikipedia is like an encyclopedia. I have never seen a book encyclopedia without a table of contents, so I thought it would be cool to add one. The list would also be best for searching all items on a single page, rather than having to go back a webpage and opening more pages to search for things, or by continuously searching for items. This also, is not the finalized product of the table of contents. If you would like a better idea of what it will look like, visit the hat Wiki page. I will repost that updated version very soon. I'm considering of also placing the item picture to the left of the item, the name in the middle, and the description and link on the right. I have also updated the above text.--General Cap 16:15, 1 July 2012 (PDT)
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a) The Heavy variant of the [[Team Captain]] only has one color, but the page right now includes a duplicate of the RED variant as a workaround. What I suggest is doing this: [https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z]. Make the Heavy variant only one file, and center it. It should be pretty clear that because of the image is in the middle, is that it looks like that on both teams.
  
See: [[Hats]]
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b) For items with styles that only has one color (not team-colored), do the same thing as well. In the example of [[Close Quarters Cover]], include the "Alert" style on the infobox in the middle of the "RED" and "BLU" sections of the infobox, something like this: [https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME].
:As I pointed out, we already have an alphabetized list (TOC). Likewise, the *search* functionality serves much better--you seem to have been implying that we'd list every hat, paint, item, etc on a single page (with images). This is too taxing. The sidebar is, as far as I know, too cluttered to really need any more items added to it. At best it would go on the main page, at worst it would go on the Hats page. What's wrong with the current hat list on the hats page (or misc list on the misc page)? They do the trick if you know what kind of item you need. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Buckaroos Hat.png|42px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Merc Medal.png|42px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 16:18, 1 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Do you mean the Index? That's not really like a TOC. Also, there are only seven topics on the navigation sidebar. How would that clutter it more? Now that I think about it, why isn't the index on the side bar? Perhaps we should discuss this project more on the wiki chatline?--General Cap 10:57, 2 July 2012 (PDT)
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c) For items that are not team-colored, but have class-specific variants, include a new part colored in grey called "Both Teams", and include each image on the middle as well. For example, the [[Dead Little Buddy]] have 3 model variants, one for Pyro, one for Demoman, and the other for the remaining classes. The idea is this: [https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO].
:{{c|support}} After General_Cap explained to me how this would work and where it would go, I now see that the benefits of this would be great to add to the wiki. Since the wiki is like an encyclopedia, having a list that shows everything could help a lot to get somewhere quickly. It doesn't even have to be for hats/miscs, either. It could document contests, major updates, hats/miscs, weapons, game mechanics, maps, characters, and much, much more all on the convenience of one page. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 11:13, 2 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:{{c|Support}} Like I said last time this was up for discussion. Would be good if this was entirely parasable with javascript in order to have a search/autocompletion feature for this, to make it a fast and searchable list. [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:21, 6 July 2012 (PDT)
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d) Although I do not have a mock-up right now, I thought of also doing the same as above for items that has only one color. So, for instance, the [[Jumper's Jeepcap]] would have a "Both Teams" section, and it would include the "UNPAINTED" variant on the center. Items with styles with just one color, like [[Mustachioed Mann]], would be similar to Dead Little Buddy, including each style on the infobox, alongside their names. Items like [[Carl]] that has no styles, but is neutral-colored, would also have the "Both Teams" part.
  
:{{c|Support}} GeneralCap had explained me this idea months ago, and this means, he's been working on it for months too. Hell of a job to put all classes into that table of contents once he's fully done. I find the concept of this work very interesting and I believe it will massively improve the TF2Wikipedia if the administrators decide to give this idea a chance. This table documents alot, not just hats/miscs. Please don't let this slide away and ignore what he has been working on 2 months or more now. Discuss it if necessary, but I see great potential here.[[File:TF2_crosshair.png|26px|link=User:T-Wayne]]{{md}}[[User:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">T-Wayne</span>]]{{md}}[[User_Talk:T-Wayne|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:bold;">Talk</span>]] 11:45, 11 July 2012 (PDT)
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:{{c|No}}. You were told multiple times (some of those times by me) to start this discussion and insisted on bothering someone over email instead of doing it the right way. You've already burned a bridge with me, and this combined with the overall reinvention of the wheel I'm seeing doesn't give me much of a reason to voice support. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 13 July 2012 (PDT)
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2) Get rid of the current "2D" images of Weapons, and use "Item icons" instead. The 2D weapon images are not consistent throughout the Wiki. They have different lighting, different angles, and so on. What I suggest is doing something similar to another Wiki I also contributed (one related to a TF2 sourcemod): [https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP]. This looks extremely clean, and every page would have in this angle. The 2D image only includes the RED variant, just like we use RED classes on our cosmetic previews.
  
:{{c|No}} I honestly do not see the use of a list like this. If someone wanted to search for something but didn't know the exact name of what they were looking for, there are already numerous indices for doing so. On top of which, this is a Wiki, which has a search bar, which does serve a purpose. Finally, you have not presented a plan as to how to enact such a page or list, so unless you do then it simply creates a significant amount of work for others to plan out and execute. --{{User:LordKelvin/Signature}} 19:41, 13 July 2012 (PDT)
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It is just an Idea. Nothing has been approved at all yet. I can't go anywhere with this project until something has been approved. So far, I have no approval to actually publish this idea. The only thing I can do is ask for opinions if this would be a good idea. I am now planning to make a new model of the T.O.C on my own user discussion page. The picture was just a pre-view of what it would resemble. I've spent over two months in the making of the Table of Contents. I'm not willing to give it up now. Let me make an actual wiki page of the real T.O.C, and then consider if it should be put into effect or not. I will also admit that personal emailing was not a good idea. Everything I do from now on will be public, not just to one person. I apologize to WIND for doing this. --{{User:General Cap/signature}}
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3) Add the "RED" and "BLU" sections on the infobox for Weapon pages, even if the 3D image allows you to switch between teams. Right now, the RED variant is used as the 2D image (for team-colored weapons), while the 2D BLU variant awkwardly sits on the Gallery section. My suggestion would be this: [https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo]
== Cheese Wheel ==
 
  
[[Cheese Wheel]]
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Somebody rename it please. I cant do it myself. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 12:00, 4 July 2012 (PDT)
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4) For cosmetic pages that has styles alongside class changes on the Painted Variants table, include additional buttons that include class icons. The idea is to remove clutter on pages with a lot of tabs to choose from (see [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Boarder%27s_Beanie&oldid=3594086 this page]). In technical terms, the style buttons would be responsible to change the "style" part of the filename, while the class buttons would change the class part of the filename. If the first class is chosen, then the code needs to get rid of the class part of the filename, as the first class is always the default: [https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK]
:Yes you can.
 
#Click the downward facing arrow tab at the top of the page.
 
#Select Move.
 
#Choose the new name and press the '''Move''' button.
 
:Hopefully that'll solve your problem. (By the way, for future reference, the [[TF:IRC|IRC]] is a much better place to ask for quick help.) [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:06, 4 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:: I know. And I was the one who renamed [[Banana Peel]], [[Goldfish]] and etc. But I couldnt rename the cheese ^^ Dunno why. Wiki said I cant do that. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 11:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== should we have a section for MVM? ==
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a) Additionally, text could be placed on each row, one for "Style:", and the other for "Class:" for the second row, just so it's a little more intuitive and understandable for everyone.
  
I understand how you guys want to keep the wiki from speculation, but we do have hard facts in the game code, solid easter eggs and secrets hinting towards something. We need somewhere that keeps this information together, i can only keep up from blotty relay's of information on SPUF.
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There's no mention on here about the hidden tobor files, the robot heads, the animations, and it would be excelent to have an official resource on the Mystery thats being built up. the info we have is what valve want us to know! --[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 14:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
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5) Include "infobox images" for separate styles, and add buttons that let you change it. The idea is to include identical images (with identical classes and facial flexing), with the only thing changing the model. For example, [[Main Cast]] would look like this: [https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs].
:It's still speculation. MVM is not something we plan to make an article about unless it is officially announced or released. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 14:50, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== City on Fire Item Sets ==
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[[Public Enemy]]<br>
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6) Include more sections on the Gallery for items with more than one Style. In the past, the [[Robot Chicken Hat]] page did include all 9 classes on the Gallery section, with 2 separate sections, one with the "Beak" style, and the other with "Beakless" style. It would follow the same rule as "5)", with both images looking identical facial-flex and pose-wise. Some pages like [[Dead of Night]] wouldn't include all classes on each section. Classes with lack of grenades wouldn't be there.
[[Urban Professional]]<br>
 
[[Dumpster Diver]]
 
  
Would now be an appropriate time to restore these pages? The Mann Co. Store now offers these item sets in bundles similar to the [[Shogun Pack]].  
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'''Edit:''' Some users asked for an example, so, when I talked about the Robot Chicken Hat, it originally [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Robot_Chicken_Hat&oldid=1679218 looked like this]. The images don't exist anymore, but you can still see how it looked like. When I wrote the suggestion, I thought something about that (though it could have been changed a little, like include an "Other" title for the remaining images that aren't related to the class images), but, after Swood's suggestion, I'd say that using Tabs would be more ideal, something akin to how we do on the Tournament Medal pages.
  
Does this qualify as an item set or are we waiting for the tooltip to show up when mousing over?
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I did an example on my 2nd Sandbox page. I thought something about this: [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538 https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538] (note that a couple images, namely the infobox team-colors, and paint cans, does not show up properly due to the page's name being different, if this were to be pasted onto the actual page, it would show just as fine). I decided to not make the Tabs centered as regular cosmetic pages are usually not centered, unlike Tournament Medals / Community Medal ones. I also decided to make the gallery width "485px", so it shows 3 images per row, and looks pretty nice and cool with whatever's below that does not require a Tabs section.
  
Lastly, has anyone tried to craft the set hat with 4 refined and a weapon?
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[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 01:13, 12 July 2012 (PDT)
 
: Yes the last thing is interesting for me too. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 06:51, 13 July 2012 (PDT)
 
It's an item set when the schema says it is. At the moment, it doesn't. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 07:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Unarmed Combat ==
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7) Lastly. Items that include noticeable team-color differences could also get "Single Color" paint can previews on both teams, even if the paint look identical on the area that is paintable. When Paints were first introduced, they were mostly applied to cosmetics that used the same texture on either team. Now, nowadays, we have cosmetics that include team-colored parts that are not paintable, alongside other parts that are. So, for instance, [[Brawling Buccaneer]] would have its Painted variants table from <nowiki>{{Painted variants}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{Painted variants full}}</nowiki>, and single color paint can previews for the BLU team would be made, to show how the paint looks like, and despite being painted in the same area, the rest of the item is in another color. Readers might want to know how an item looks on the BLU team. This would take a long time too make for the entirety of the Wiki, and would be a project that would require remaking some paint variants if they do not have Rotation values saved, or if there's another issue that doesn't make them 1:1, but I think it would look good, and useful as well.
  
Hey guys whats the problem with [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Unarmed_Combat&action=historysubmit&diff=1089264&oldid=1089167 this]? Wtf then the [[Wingstick]]? I think it should be their. Hey editors stop deleting this with no reason. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 21:05, 14 July 2012 (PDT)
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: Plz say something. I dont like IRC i shall never go to talk on it. This guy - Hinaomi - is continuing to remove information. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 05:44, 15 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::If I remember correctly, these "level does not appear in backpack" bugs were around before, and were also removed for the same reason Hinaomi is giving you. In my opinion, the information you posted does not constitute bug-worthy information, nor does it constitute trivia (so don't consider moving it to there, as you were saying to Hinaomi). [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 05:52, 15 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::: This is a strange thinking... Its not a clip bug (like "brass beast clips with heavy's hands") that is very common. This is a rare bug which appears only for a few items in the game. So why not to mention it? I think we must do it for other tf2 players. So please stop delete it just because some tf2-wiki-editors think that it is a common bug. --[[User:Genuine GAL|Genuine GAL]] 07:32, 15 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Every item ''Does'' or ''Does not'' show a weapon level. This is evident from the infobox, or from anyone having the item. Please do not make more of these edits, or re-do any undone edits until we can resolve this issue. Likewise, please do not take personal offense or insult others if you disagree with them. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:#CC2200">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Backwards Ballcap.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid]]|[[Image:Item icon Rogue's Col Roule.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid]]) 07:37, 15 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::::: This is an oldish discussion but I wanted to chime in. The Unarmed, Made Man and Bird-Man are all set up properly to show their levels, so it is a bug that they do not show up. They are missing key strings in tf_english, which Valve forgot to add. Once you plug those in, the levels show up fine. It's a bug from an oversight of Valve's. By all accounts the items are suppose to show their levels, they just don't because of missing strings. 100% a bug [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 17:27, 22 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Project Feature Length ==
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8) For items that has several styles / classes on the infobox (such as [[Manndatory Attire]], [[Beaten and Bruised]] and [[Boarder's Beanie‎]]), make the Infobox template show less of them by default, and include a button with a caption "↓ Show remaining ↓". If possible, make the last one have a "fade" effect, so it's perfectly clear what the button is about. My idea was to include at least 10 of these sections, then fade (because if it reaches 10 of these, it means there's more than one Style per class, where other pages would include 9 of these per class, though, it could be shortened if needed, but personally I would go with 10 sections before the button and fade shows up). It would look like this: [https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6 https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6]
  
I came across some less viewed pages of the wiki (like those for custom maps and community updates) and I thought to myself, ''What if a bunch of editors worked together to make the article better, so we can feature it?'' A little more thinking and I had an idea: Make a "behind-the-scenes spotlight", where editors have their attention drawn to a certain page to improve its quality and expand upon it, to the point where we can feature it to everybody. This will allow some of the dusty parts of the wiki to shine like they were brand new, squeaky clean, top of the line pages.
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I propose a new Project page outlining the details, and a nomination process similar to that for featured articles, but instead used for pages that should be highlighted to editors so they can improve them.
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'''Edit: ''' 9) Regarding the Styles section. If we include Styles on the infobox, even for items that look the same on either team, is it really necessary to include the "Styles" section on the page, alongside the table, if everything would be on the Infobox? It seems redundant to keep both of them, but, I'd only get rid of the Styles section after everything is added to the infobox, including the single-color Styles on it. Additionally, certain pages that has Styles that change between classes are a little confusing at the moment. [[Manndatory Attire]] has only Scout's styles being demonstrated on the table, despite each class changing the visuals.
  
''TL;DR'' Bring the editors' attention to a page and improve it so we can bring everyone's attention to the page by featuring it. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 16:55, 22 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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a) Originally I was going to suggest a class-switcher button, similar to the "4)", but, if "1)" is implemented, I don't see any reason to keep the Styles section. Please let me know if you think there should be either: "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table" or "Getting rid of the Styles section entirely as it would be redundant with all the styles on the infobox once the "1)" suggestion is implemented.
Note: I'll have a mockup of the proposed project page after I get back from camp on August 16th. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 17:50, 22 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|support}} I've noticed whilst fixing links that many parts of the Wiki, specifically the less-seen parts, can sometimes be old, outdated, and in need of a major overhaul. Bringing some of these pages into the editor's spotlight can prepare the article for the actual spotlight, and can give some pages that were never viable to be featured a very real chance to shine. — [[User:Xenak|<span style="text-shadow:lime 0px 0px 3px;color:#AA1DC6;font-size:130%;font-weight:bold;">Xenak</span>]] <span style="font-size:80%;font-weight:bold;">([[User_talk:Xenak|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xenak|Contribs]])</span> 17:04, 22 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:Seems like a good idea, but that's what should be happening already. Rather than it being a dedicated project I think that we need to figure out a way to make what you said be on people's minds. The discussion pages are there to do exactly what you're describing, it's just people don't do it. Furthermore rZ has said that he is going to create a draft in his user namespace for this when he's back from his trip -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 18:11, 22 July 2012 (PDT)
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b) The only problem that getting rid of the Styles section would be problematic for items that has barely any difference unpainted, but has more notable differences when paintable. Items like [[Onimann]] mostly change its visuals when painted between styles, and if there's no section for it. However, the painted variants table, alongside the main summary on the top of the page, would both visually show the difference, as well would explain in text what each style does in terms of paint.
  
:{{c|support}} The custom maps pages could definitely need some work. I think this is a great way to do it --[[User:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#ff0000;font-weight:bold;">Liquid</span>]] [[User_talk:LiquidFire|<span style="color:#000000;font-weight:bold;">Fire</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/LiquidFire|<span style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">@H|H</span>]] 05:46, 23 July 2012 (PDT)
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:{{c|support}} Much like Lagg says, I think this should already be happening, but nonetheless this is a good way of brining editors together in collaboration and an good idea altogether. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 12:52, 24 July 2012 (PDT)
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Please let me know your thoughts below. Notice that I'm not sure if I would be able to implement some of these suggestions, specially the ones for the "Item infobox" template. If there's enough support, I'd appreciate anyone who could implement suggested changes / additions. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 21:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
:The talk pages and IRC channel are available to co-ordinate efforts like this. Slapping a shiny label onto it and calling it a new project won't change anything if people aren't bothering to edit anyway. If you want to bring an article or task to the spotlight, post it [[TFW:Tasks|here]]; that's what it's there for. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:25, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
{{Discussion close}}
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:1. I think that section should be dedicated to showing off the team colours rather than different styles for different classes. If a cosmetic looks different on different classes I would prefer a different box for it similar to the "Styles" section.
== Bug Guidelines ==
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:2/3. That's fine by me, though I would also want to add a second button to it for the BLU variant rather than stuffing it in the Gallery.
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:4/5. I like this.
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:6. I like this, although I would suggest we use the {{tl|Tabs}} template for it.
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:7. I like this too, but it would require a ton of work and I'm not sure we'd be able to make it through.
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:8. I'm not sure that I'm a fan of collapsing a bunch of them. I would prefer having them sorted by class instead similar to {{tl|Tabs}}.
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:9. See answer on 1.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
  
TheDoctor messaged me awhile ago and gave me the idea for a guidelines page similar to the one Trivia has but for bugs. Over the last two days, I've been working on it, and I think it's ready for open discussion. Since bugs are becoming a large part of most articles (almost every weapon, and most hats have bugs!), there are more and more people adding bugs that may or may not be a bug. For instance, many people add clipping as a bug, when it is not by the Wiki's standard. Having a set of guidelines that sets in stone what is and what is not bugs should definitely clear up most of those issues. As aforemntioned, I have written them up and you can [[User:Wingless/Sandbox/Bug Guidelines|view them here]].  
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::1 {{c|+|Agree}} - All of these changes look very nice, I don't have anything to say about them.
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::2 / 3 {{c|?|Not sure / changes}} - Would the change to using weapon icons include BLU weapon icons as well? If it does, I would rather have the 2D BLU image in the main infobox when you click on BLU and then switch to the 2D image instead of it being below the main image.
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::4 {{c|+|Agree}} - This also looks nice.
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::5 {{c|-|Disagree}} - I don't know how I feel about this, I feel like the painted variants sorta already accomplish the goal of knowing what the cosmetic would look like with the different styles. It would also take a lot of work to recreate a lot of infobox images just for this.
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::6 {{c|-|Disagree}} - I have the same thoughts about this as 5, it would take a lot of work to redo a bunch of galleries when the styes / painted variants section already get the job done.
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::7 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - This would look nice, however it would again take a lot of work to get done.
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::8 {{c|+|Agree / changes}} - I like the idea, though I agree with what Swood said with that it would look better if it was just in tabs instead.
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::9 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I sort of agree with the idea of removing the styles section, but I also do like how there's a sort of simplified section for seeing all of the styles instead of it only being part of the infobox and painted variants.  
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::[[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Speech typing.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] [[File:Photo Badge Decal Example.png|15px|link=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=25&user=Andrew360&ilshowall=0]] 03:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
  
If there is anything that should be removed/added, please don't hesitate to comment! I'd like to get as many opinions on this before I consider posting this, since this would be part of the Wiki guide. Thanks in advance! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 09:02, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
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:::1 {{c|-|Disagree}} - Same reason with Swood, I think the style section should do the job.
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:::2 {{c|+|Agree}} - Good idea!
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:::3 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - Instead of taking space in infobox, Why don't we use the same button used on 3D images?
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:::4 {{c|+|Agree}} - Yes.
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:::5 {{c|+|Agree}} - Looks nice, but considered what Andrew says we might not getting those done in recent.
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:::6 {{c|+|Agree}} - We are gonna do a lot of work then I guess.
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:::7 {{c|+|Agree}} - Same with Andrew360
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:::8 {{c|?|Not sure}} - Looks good, though yeah, why not use {{tl|Tabs}}?
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:::9 {{c|?|Disagree.. or Sorta Agree}} - If I have to choose one from infobox and style section, I would take style section. In my opinion the infoboxs shouldn't be too long and contain too much information, comparing to a small space on the right side of the page, I think the style section can display the information better. If 8 gets passed then I'm fine with it too. (I just don't want to see infobox gets longer than the page itself.)
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:::[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 06:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
  
:As i assisted Wingless with some bug additions i can only say that i like it, and i hope more people think this is as good as i think it is. As always a good job Wingless. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 09:04, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
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::::1 {{c|+|Sorta Agree}} - Eh, doesn't matter to me either way.
:{{c|Support}} - One thing I would like to note is that your example of a good factual bug isn't true. The axtinguisher doesn't have the 'no random crits' attribute. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 17:41, 8 August 2012 (PDT)
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::::2 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I wanna see how it would look first.  
:{{c|Comment}} I changed that up. Thanks for pointing that out! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 16:07, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
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::::3 {{c|+|Agree}} - I was kinda the one to start the whole "shoving the blue variant in the gallery" and have always wondered why there wasn't a color toggle for the 2D variants.
{{Discussion close|end}}
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::::4 {{c|+|Strongly agree}} - I wish it was like this since the beginning!
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::::5 {{c|?|Not sure}} - I like the idea, but it will take a '''lot''' of work updating all the pages and such with the change.
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::::6 {{c|?|Not sure}} - Same answer as 5.
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::::7 {{c|+|Agree}} - I'm only saying yes because we'll only have to edit the templates which are used across all translation pages.
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::::8 {{c|-|Somewhat disagree}} - There aren't very many items that have loads of different styles like this, I think I'd wait until we get something like a shirt or coat that includes a load of different styles (with team variants).
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::::9 {{c|-|Strongly disagree}} - Yeah it is necessary to have a styles section, because they mostly show examples of what they look like on the character wearing it. I know that the infobox has styles too, but they're only the raw models.
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::::[[User:ShadowMan44|ShadowMan44]] ([[User talk:ShadowMan44|talk]]) 01:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  
== Weapon Trivia - what real-life weapon each one looks like ==
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:::::So, after some user's responses, I'd like to mention a couple things. In regards to most of "2)" and "3)" responses, here's something I didn't mention. There would be a slight problem for items that are not team-colored if we just implemented a RED and BLU image switcher. The idea of using "Item icons" with the RED variant / neutral-color variant, would that it would make everything consistent and nice looking, While "RED" and "BLU" 2D images are usually very consistent too, the current "2D" images used on weapon pages are all over the place. Using the "Item icon" in conjunction with the RED and BLU team-colors means we could use already existing images on the Wiki, too. Not that I would have a problem if new images had to be created for the Neutral-Colored weapons, but, I still think that using the Item icons would highly benefit here, since how nice they look on weapons.
  
So far we've got some pages for items with trivia that the weapon 'seems to be (based on)...' some weapon in real life. The [[Rocket Launcher]] is one such page. However, several item pages do not, and, in some cases, such trivia has been removed. I figure we ought to be consistent in whether we have such trivia. One good rule of thumb was brought up in that if Valve (or, in the case of community items, the item creator) confirms what it is based on, then that's what we put, else we do not include it. However, for things like the Rocket Launcher, we need to determine whether Valve writing RPG on the concept art qualifies it as being the RPG-7. -[[User:FlaminSarge|FlaminSarge]] 16:41, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
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:::::However, if we go with a RED and BLU switcher, what we could perhaps do is team-colored Item icons, yeah that would be awesome. Not only that, but we also have Item icons for Australiums, and, I even made Australium Festivized icons for TF2B a while ago, that is only used there and not on the Wiki, at the moment.
: I don't like that sort of trivia unless it's backed by Valve or the contributor saying it's true. Awhile back we had that the [[Winger]] was based on a gun, and the contributor came and said "no it wasn't...." and we were left with information that had been on the wiki that was wrong for so long. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:45, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::I agree. If it's just speculation, we should leave it out. But if the creator comes along and says, "Oh, yeah, that's based on <insert gun here>", then it's interesting trivia. RPG =/= RPG-7 (it could also be 1&ndash;6). "RPG" is just quicker to write than "Rocket Launcher". I'd vote for taking the trivia out until the creator (in this case, Valve) confirms it. [[User:Dendodge|<em style="color:darkblue">den</em>]][[User talk:Dendodge|<em style="color:darkred">dodge</em>]] 17:03, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
 
::{{c|support}} for removal. They really bothered me during my Trivia reviews - they are, for the most part, speculation which is something the Wiki doesn't agree with. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 18:18, 25 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
==TF2 WIKI TABLE OF CONTENTS: UPDATED PROJECT==
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:::::GrampaSwood 6) Yeah, I didn't think of this, but using Tabs on the Gallery would be pretty good, something we already do in Tournament Medal pages, actually.
  
The final work for the TF2 Wiki table of contents. Requesting review if it shall be put into effect.
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:::::GrampaSwood, Andrew360, Profiteer 7) While I can't promise I will be on the Wiki forever, and, with my statement on my userpage being correct (that I won't be as active in 2024), making BLU team-colored variants on "Standalone" models is a faster process than when making when loaded as a "weapon" (e.g.: Cosmetic loaded on a player model). The reason I did all the [[Boarder's Beanie]] paint variants is solely because it's a standalone model, I was able to generate the paint variants very quickly (and in high quality and proper colors). I can still do every single style and class on BLU as well, for the Single Color paint variants, for the Beanies, I just haven't done since we are still discussing this.
  
It includes four pages. It had to be this way to be able to show everything.
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:::::My Laptop is currently not being used. I have thought of the idea of making an HLMV machine, and letting paint variants being made while I do other things. This is something I thought about in the past, but I would require another monitor (which I can buy, no problem), but I also would need time, something I will not have that much starting 2024. However, I'm also in the point where I feel like I have contributed quite a lot for the Wiki already, so I'm kinda conflicted if I should really do this or not. I would only require to re-install Windows, re-configure HLMV (which can be painful), and things like that, before I can make it an idle HLMV machine that makes paint variants.
  
Page four is not complete. It will need Further tweaking on later dates.
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:::::ShadowMan44 7) Correct, currently, the "Painted variants full" template states that mouse-hovered "Single colors" states that "due to how the cosmetic's textures are set up, it changes colors between teams". This would require to be changed appropriately, somehow, though I don't think that yet another Painted variants template should be made. It should be possible to just add a parameter of some sort.
  
It has taken a total of four months to get this far into the project. DARKID was of assistance.
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:::::Gabrielwoj, Andrew360 5) Despite me suggesting this, I was also not too sure about it, but I decided to post it as a matter of discussion. In most cases, Styles just change the look of an item, without changing the placement of the model, or the model itself. In some other cases, however, it does change something [[Liquor Locker]], [[Pocket-Medes]], etc. While it would be an interesting idea, and I do have a couple cosmetics with all styles made already, most of the rest would require to be remade. This could also be a little difficult for regular HLMV users, as refreshing the model viewer gets rid of the facial flex entirely, but not on HLMV++. While you can unload and load submodels without having to refresh, HLMV does read from "$color2" instead of "$colortint_base", which means if someone forgets about that on an older cosmetic, they'd need to refresh after fixing it from the .vmt.
  
Links:
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:::::Profiteer 9) That's a good point. I guess if the Styles section was more populated (actually shows differences between classes), then I suppose that items like [[Manndatory Attire]] and [[Boarder's Beanie]] wouldn't require that huge amount of styles being shown on the table. But then, there's another problem. Items already show their unpainted RED and BLU variants on the infobox, and how exactly could we categorize "exceptions" to be only on the Styles section if we follow your idea?
  
Part One
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:::::ShadowMan44 9) I'm not quite sure if I understood what you said. The styles table on both the Style section and infobox use the same exact images, same files, with some exceptions like the [[Dead of Night]] and [[Pocket-Medes]]. This is why I mentioned it being redundant, because in most cases, both sections use the same images. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
  
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:General_Cap/Table_Of_Contents:_Part_One
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::::::So [[User:Tekinz|Tekinz]] and [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] talked with me via Steam and Discord DMs, and I'd like to post their opinions on this. Tekinz asked me to post on my behalf, explaining what he told me instead of directly quoting him, while mgpt allowed me to directly translate what he told me. With that said, here's what they had to say:
  
Part Two
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::::::Tekinz: He told me that he agrees with most of my proposed update and changes, while pin-pointing some specific numbers with further explanation. He adds that for "7)", it would be a huge amount of work, and we would need quite a few active image creators to be able to achieve it in a timely manner, but otherwise it would be a general improvement to the pages. On "8)", he adds that he has no real problems with and thinks it's pretty good, mentioning that if combined with "1)", it would look great. On "9)", he mentioned that it's probably a good idea considering how the Styles section is located pretty far on the page and that it would probably be better to have them focused to the infobox since it's much closer to the top, alongside the rest of relevant images. He further adds that the Styles section always seemed not as important since it was too close to the Trivia and Patch Notes, while also being beneath the huge Painted Variants table that overshadows it.
  
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:General_Cap/Table_Of_Contents:_Part_Two
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::::::mgpt:
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 1. Everything looks okay to me, if it's easy to implement;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 2. I did take a look on some weapons, and I agree in using "Item icons";
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 3. I saw the comments, and Andrew360's idea, and I agree, it has my vote;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 4. You got my vote, very good;
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::::::{{c|-|Disagree}} 5. I agree with Andrew360 and Profiteer, I don't think that it's worth the work, considering there's already images below on the infobox, alongside the painted variants;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 6. It ends up being the same as "5)", however, I'd like to see an example how it would look like;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 7. I'm not sure if I noticed completely, but would that be switching the template from "Painted variants" to "Painted variants full" In several cosmetics, like how it was done in [[Brigade Helm]]? If so, I don't see a problem;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 7. An idea to the template. Wouldn't it look better if it was something like this, with 2 buttons? [https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C] Or is it being done currently like it's on the page so it's possible to compare both teams at the same time? Probably that;
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::::::{{c|+|Agree}} 8. I like the idea, however, the information still continue to be too deep on the page, wouldn't be better to only show 4 or 5, instead of 9?;
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::::::{{c|Info}} 9. a) "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table". In the example of [[Beaten and Bruised]], the images wouldn't be anymore on the infobox, correct?;
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::::::{{c|Info}} I like "8)"'s idea, but if "9)" is applied, then number "8)" is discarded. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Part Three
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:::::::I also replied to mgpt regarding some of his questions, so I had the following to say:
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:::::::7) On number "7)", it would be including previews like how it's done on "Single Color" paint cans on the BLU team, even if when they are applied on the same area, the paint color looks identical to the RED team. Currently, we only use "Painted variants full" in cases of items that has different colorization between teams, such as the case of [[Stout Shako]];
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:::::::7. a) I liked the idea of including RED and BLU on the top, it would be very intuitive. '''Post-thoughts:''' After re-reading his thoughts on this one, I saw that the original idea would be buttons, while I first thought they were simply two sections that would separate the teams more properly, visually. I thought if maybe that by doing so, we could include a faint red and a faint blue background to separate them both, and make the template a little more nice to look at, as currently there's a bunch of paint variants all included in one table.
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:::::::8) In regards to the default quantity, it would still be discussed, but the main idea would be something that could be expanded to show the remaining. I finished the [[Boarder's Beanie]] images, and the infobox ended up being very lengthy. The table for Painted variants will probably change if "4)" is implemented.
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:::::::9) The images would still stay on the infobox section, but the idea would be that on the Styles table, it would include an array of buttons with each of the classes icons, so it could be changed, similar to what it has been suggested on "4)". The only thing that, if "1)" is implemented, the Styles section may not be as necessary anymore. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:General_Cap/Table_Of_Contents:_Part_Three
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{{Outdent|7}} 1 {{c|?|Not sure}} It sure would be easy to implement but I feel this would discount the usefulness of the class gallery or style section.<br>
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2/3 {{c|+|Agree}} It would clean up the inconsistencies from the 2D weapon images and make them extremely consistent. The item icons are used all over the wiki in subtle ways such as in crafting recipes or in big lists of weapons but it's time for those to be the defacto 2D image for weapons. Bring Shugo-style to the infobox!<br>
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4 {{c|+|Agree}} Adding the class icons in place of the class name plus sorting the paint table by class would greatly improve the user experience. (I always stress when uploading paint galleries with multiple styles that I may upload to the incorrect style/class)<br>
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5 {{c|-|Disagree}} On top of remaking all the infobox images being an immense amount of work, I feel this would also take away from the usefulness of the style box.<br>
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6 {{c|?|Not sure}} I would be more open to this than #5 but I often find that the class gallery images often take me the most time to complete and be happy with. Trying to find good and unique poses and appropriate facial flexes for all 9 classes takes me a fair amount of time. I wish I was faster at it.<br>
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7 {{c|?|Not sure}} I kind of agree on this point but I feel it could just be on a cosmetic-by-cosmetic basis. Like we do now, I think, we could only implement this on hats that would benefit from a full paint gallery.<br>
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8 {{c|+|Agree}} I agree with the others on this point, {{tl|Tabs}} would be great for this. I am more for moving the class styles out of the infobox and moving them to the style box. I feel more and more pages suffer from having a long infobox with the inclusion of more all-class, multi-style hats. If they were moved to the style box with tabs, I think many pages would look a whole lot cleaner and compact.<br>
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9 {{c|-|Disagree}} See #8<br>
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[[User:H20verdrive|H20verdrive]] ([[User talk:H20verdrive|talk]]) 01:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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:I've been mildly intimidated, procrastinating voting on this for a week, but here we go:
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:1. {{c|+|Agree}} Very good stuff.
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:2. {{c|?|Abstain}} Not sure about this, it might seem awkward on some items. Like others have said I'd want to see it first.
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:3. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} Seems necessary, but I wonder if there's a more cohesive way to display them.
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:4. {{c|+|Agree}} Looks nice, more visual and less clutter.
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:5. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} Seems alright.
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:6. {{c|?|Abstain}} It seems a bit clunky and as someone said, might take a lot of work, but theoretically seems useful.
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:7. {{c|+|Weak Agree}} As H20verdrive said, probably an item-by-item basis (maybe a "limited run" at first for the articles that need it most?) is best.
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:8. {{c|+|Agree}} Looks cool; long infoboxes do need help, but I think it's most contingent upon all-class items.
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:9. {{c|-|Weak Disagree}} As all others said, this needs tweaking and removing Styles might be too radical, BUT the "arrange of buttons" might work.
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:Overall, if I had to give a vote for the ''whole package'', {{c|+|Agree, with tweaking}}.--[[File:Leaderboard class allclass.png|15px|link=]] [[User:Akolyth|<span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''Akolyth'''</span>]] ([[User_talk:Akolyth|talk]]) 02:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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::Well, we got a lot of responses with this discussion, thank you everyone for reading and replying. I guess we could start making some of these proposed changes? Ones that got the most positive votes, while discarding ones that didn't get much positive reception. Perhaps let's talk what should be the best options according to your guys voting. I don't have time to actually write up new template codes and stuff at the moment, however some already have templates available for that (#7), and others should be a little more straightforward in changing (I would imagine that including the Shugo style icons for weapons be quite straightforward, if that would go through). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::Swood suggested me to make a table having total votes from everyone:
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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| Suggestion 1 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''7''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''1''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''2'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 2 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''7''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''1'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 3 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''9''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''1'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 4 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''10''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''0'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 5 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''4''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''4''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''2'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 6 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''4''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}:  '''1''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''4'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 7 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''8''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''0''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''1'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 8 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''8''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''1''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''2'''
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|-
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| Suggestion 9 || {{c|+|Agree}}: '''2''' || {{c|-|Disagree}}: '''3''' || {{c|?|Abstain}}: '''4'''
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|}
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My own votings have been included too. I agree with all of the changes I proposed except "5)", which I only suggested since I already had some Style images laying around on my computer, ready to be uploaded if it were to be accepted. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Part Four: (Incomplete)
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== Userbox, and creator page ==
  
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:General_Cap/Table_Of_Contents:_Part_Four
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Hey! I have a question, how i add userbox and how i add some decoration to my page like evryone did ? [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  
--General Cap 20:09, 27 July 2012 (PDT)
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:For userboxes see [[Team Fortress Wiki:User info boxes]]. Otherwise, the rest of the decoration is up to you. You may be interested in {{tl|User infobox}}.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
:{{c|-|Against}} As much as I can't deny a lot was put into this, I think this is completely unnecessary. This is just a simple copy-paste from several pages around the Wiki. If I want to find weapon for a certain class, say a Scout drink, there are [[Scout#Secondary|several]] [[Weapons#scoutsecondary|places]], linked in the [[main page]], where I can search for them (even entering "drink" in the search bar, which isn't a disambig, shows me some results and helps me to search what I want). The same can be said about hats or miscs. For map stamps, [[Map Stamps|there's a single page for all of them]]. Basically, everything covered in this table of contents can be found with just a few clicks away from the main page. There are already enough resources for locating the info you want about whatever you want here and a table of contents like this is not a solution. It just grabs what we already have and it mashes it up altogether in a single (or four) page(s) which, in my honest opinion, only makes it harder to look through to find a certain item. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 17:45, 30 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Original Weapon stats ==
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::Thanks for the info box ! But how exactly i decorate my page ? Like how i use custom image or something like thats ? Did you have a page thats can help me to do this ?[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
  
One of the things that's interesting to do is to look at how a weapon's stats got changed. However, it is rather hard to find the original weapon's stats. Would it be possible to, in the update history, list what the original stats were? [[User:RBGolbat|RBGolbat]] 09:36, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
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:::[[Help:Images]] may help you with how to place images, for images to use, simply upload them using [[Special:Upload|the upload page]]. The correct format for images only used on your User page is "User Nonolemage [file name]", so for example "User Nonolemage profile picture.png" or "User Nonolemage scout loadout.jpg". When uploading them on the upload page, include <nowiki>[[Category:User images]]</nowiki> in the summary box. This should be done for every image you want to use on your User page.
: I have brought this up before in the [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration/Archive_27#Damage_Comparison Weapon Demonstration talk page]. In short, I had expressed regret that the only way to view a weapon's original stats (such as the [[Sandman]] removing the Scout's double-jump and have the ability to stun Ubercharged enemies, or the [[Razorback]] slowing down the Sniper's speed) was to comb through the Update History (which is mostly updated by hand) and infer the stats from when Valve changed them.  
 
  
:As such there is little record of a definitive list of a weapon's original or changed attributes besides the current stats.
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:::As for more complicated design, that is usually done using CSS and/or Javascript. I can't help you much with that.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
  
:I had hoped that there would be a video archive of a weapon's original stats (as it is much easier to experience how a weapon functioned and looked), but it was deemed to be redundant and not particularly high on the priority list in the midst of re-doing the melee demonstrations. The videos are deleted anyway after they have been updated.
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::::Thanks you a lot ! You realy helped me ! [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
  
:Thus, there is little chance to view how a weapon actually functioned or looked prior to the current demonstration unless the original creator/uploader kept a copy such as here:
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== Civilian Image ==
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgirY6n-vc
 
  
:As you go further back, it becomes difficult if not impossible to obtain a meaningful demonstration without fiddling around in the game files yourself. Perhaps you can ask [[User:i-ghost|i-ghost]] for tips such as from the videos he has here:
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Should we change the image of the [[Civilian]] ? Because it's the scout in A pose but the civilain got some real texture thats can be use and found [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 12:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgixryQEcO8
 
:[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 18:05, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
::What about the pages that announced their release? Don't those have them? And for the ones more recent, aren't they in the edit history?
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:That is how the Civilian class looked when it was still available in TF2, [[Civilian (Classic)]] is the TFC version.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, but there remains the problem of trawling through this data, and probably not moving it outside the version history section, and what good does that really do in the end? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Carouser's Capotain.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Camera Beard.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 20:40, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Also, some of the original weapon announcement pages did not include a list of attributes; [http://teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/force-a-nature.htm such as the Force-a-Nature]. It used to be much easier to deal knockback. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 02:59, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== [[Promotional items]] Template v2 Discussion ==
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::Oh, but i play a mod of tf2 (tf2c) thats show a finished model of the civilain so maybe i can add a picture of it in the galery for show what it looked finished ? Or it's not important ?[[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 13:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Because the last discussion ended in nothing, i wanted to renew it. I want to make a language switched template for it. It will seperate the promos into years, and will be alphabetical. I want opinions before i start with it. I think it is the same as the item timeline and should be done soon. Objections? [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] 07:46, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
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:::That's not an official version of it, that's fan-made. No Civilian model or textures has been made for TF2.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:Is this [[Template:Promo_nav|template]] anything like what you were planning to do? It is not year-categorized, but it does look the same. <font color="#F3A957" face="tf2 build">[[File:Soldier_emblem_RED.png|20px]] [[User:JerryPL|JerryPL]] <sup>[[User talk:JerryPL|Maggots!]]</sup></font> 07:56, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::No it is this page: [[[[Promotional items]] made as a language switched template. The reason behind it to stay up to date on every language. And to make it easier to read with the seperation into years. [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] 12:08, 3 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Ahh, alright, I getcha. I'll get on that ASAP. <font color="#F3A957" face="tf2 build">[[File:Soldier_emblem_RED.png|20px]] [[User:JerryPL|JerryPL]] <sup>[[User talk:JerryPL|Maggots!]]</sup></font> 13:58, 8 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Zodiac-based update idea? ==
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== Weapon in user page ==
  
I had a good idea for a future update. I was thinking Valve could introduce Zodiac-themed weapons and headgear. For example, a new meelee weapon for the Scout named "The Capricorn Club". Or a Knife for the Spy named "The Scorpio's Tail". Or even a peice of headgear that allows players to breath underwater, like "The Pisces's Periscope"! Thoughts and/or extra ideas? [[User:DemoKnight28|DemoKnight28]] 10:36, 5 August 2012 (PDT)
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Hey it's AGAIN me ! I see some people have a list of weapon they used for evry class but i don't know how to do this, can someone help me ? [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 07:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
:Interesting, but this isn't really the appropriate forum for game ideas, these pages are for discussion about the wiki. You should check out the [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80 Steam forums] instead. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 10:50, 5 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Weapon overlinking ==
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:Well, you could try learning how to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table wikitables], there are also templates like [[Template:Backpack item]] and [[Template:User weapon checklist]] you could use to this effect.<br><span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Many weapon articles, [[Beggar's Bazooka]] for example, contain links to every weapon that takes up the same slot in the "See also" section.
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== Allweapons Nav template ==
I'm really not excited about this. It's unnecessary, doesn't look good. Can we just standardize it so that we only link to the stock weapon that takes up the same slot? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 17:42, 10 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:Go ahead and remove any instances you see of this. There's no point in the "See also" section repeating the nav which is directly underneath it. The "See also" section should be about closely related weapons (attribute-wise) or the weapon that it sub-classes from, and related strategy articles or other points of interest, not about every other weapon that fits into the same weapon class. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 09:02, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:Indeed, there was a discussion on the IRC awhile ago, agreeing that it's pointless. It creates a stupidly long list, as well as an eyesore that can be avoided easily. I was planning on removing them during my Article Reviews but go ahead anyway ^^ [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 11:00, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Wiki-time? ==
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Hi! I've created two mockups as potential replacements for the current [[Template:Allweapons Nav|Allweapons Nav]] template. I'd like to get your opinion. You can check out the templates on [[User:Mgpt/Sandbox#Test|my sandbox user page]] ('''Nav 1''' and '''Nav 2'''). The "Secondary" label for "All classes" in '''Nav 2''' appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it. Thanks! [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 02:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
What's the matter with the time of edits on the wiki? Examples:
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:I don't really see what's wrong with the current one.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=File:Pan_notification.jpg&action=history 2 edits]. The last must be the first but... it's the last.
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:: Outdated/It's not a "real" nav like the others (Hat/Tool Nav). If someone else comments please compare both so you can see the differences [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 16:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
* I made [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Blood_Brothers%2Fru&action=historysubmit&diff=1112100&oldid=1112062 a huge update] on article [[Blood Brothers/ru]] and after that i did a [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Blood_Brothers%2Fru&action=historysubmit&diff=1112100&oldid=1112101 minor update] but it was marked as previous change. So currently it looks like i undid my minor update but it stay in the article correctly.
 
So wtf? --[[User:Askarmuk|askarmuk]], '''[[User talk:Askarmuk|C?]]''' 17:27, 12 August 2012 (PDT)
 
: Bug is [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=A_Fate_Worse_Than_Chess/ru&action=history still here]. --[[User:Askarmuk|askarmuk]], '''[[User talk:Askarmuk|C?]]''' 17:35, 13 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Promotional item list new time order? ==
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:::I did compare both, but it doesn't exactly answer what's wrong with the current one. If people really wanted it changed I'd go for Nav 1, but I would still like to see stock and non-stock separated.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::There's already a nav for them on the weapon page and stock is always the first (they can be in italic, would that work?). I personally prefer Nav 2 because it is actually a nav (not a table) but also consistent with Hat and Tool Nav. Edit: About the availability strings, they shouldn't be there, especially because they're outdated and were added more than 10 years ago. Definitely not the purpose of the template. [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 20:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  
It is such a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge list, so i thought why shouldnt we list the promos in years? 2012,2011,2010 etc. It would make it easier to spot the new promos and would also seperate the years and wouldnt give you one huge "sh*tlist" which you lose track of very soon. Smaller list for every year means in my opinion more readable for all persons. Soooo someone against or for it????? [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] 12:11, 13 August 2012 (PDT)
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:::::I'd prefer for them to be separated regardless, if only in a little box above all of them or with a line separating them. Both the current one and both your versions are technically tables either way, I think a differently structured nav doesn't necessarily make it not a nav or somehow inferior.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
:{{c|Support}} The list is very long now. Too long. Splitting it up in this way makes it easier to find games (since most know when games were released) and definitely removes some of that scroll bar lengthening ridiculousness. [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 14:41, 14 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== teamf6rtress.com Link? ==
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{{outdent|5}} Personally, I prefer Nav 1. I like the structure of the current Weapon Nav the way it is, I just don't like the availability strings cluttering things up, and the taunts needlessly listing which weapons they're for. Nav 1 simplifies things in a way that's easier to read, certainly. I'd also be fine with Stock weapons being separated, perhaps with a "Stock" header and then a line break before the others.  
  
I'm not sure where to put this, and if it's stupid then simply ignore me.
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Incidentally, re: "the 'Secondary' label for 'All classes' in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it."
The Left 4 Dead Blog posted a link to the MVM Web page (http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=8648), but the link said "teamf6rtress" instead of the actual URL. The whole URL, www.teamf6rtress.com/mvm/, redirected to the real MVM page, as I mentioned, however when I typed teamf6rtress.com it redirected to a fake Steam Community Profile of a user playing "Half-Life 3: Indev." The URL was http://sybolt.com/mvm/, as in Mann Vs. Machine. I also was sent once to http://sybolt.com/wvw/ but when I refreshed the page I received an Error 404. Is this some kind of sign of just a mistake? Is it just me being a total noob?
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* That should be a "Melee" label, as you've probably realized by now.
[[User:Nintos|Nintos]] 14:26, 15 August 2012 (PDT)
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* It's looking off because the single list of weapons you've used isn't enough to fill out the space of the column. You'd need at least three lists to fill out the space that the "All Classes" column takes, so the single list you gave sits in the middle. [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:That domain is not owned by Valve; the owner can redirect it to any page they want. It's best to just ignore it. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:25, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
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: I made some changes, thanks for the input [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 03:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== MvM Weapon Upgrade / Class Upgrade plan? ==
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:: Nav 1 seems almost set to me, I like the Normal quality grey indication, while still being separated by slot. My only slight nitpick now would be that I'd prefer if the non-stock weapons were organized by release order -- at the moment, reskins of stock are still at the top of the non-stock section, which doesn't make ''as much'' sense, now that we've agreed on separating stock into its own box. — [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 03:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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::: I initially added them randomly from the Weapons page, but I'll definitely reorganize them by release order :D I may scrap the all class section, the idea was not to repeat weapons, but we have the Shotgun, so... [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::: Updated the template [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
So is there a general plan for how the possible upgrades for each weapon will be handled?  Maybe like a section on each weapon's page in the same style of Strange Parts information block?  --[[User:Org|Org]] 02:57, 16 August 2012 (PDT)
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== About the 2023 leak ==
:I have scrapped up a prototype of an upgrade table over [[User:JerryPL/Scrapbook|here]]. Have a look and see if it's good enough. --<font color="#F3A957" face="tf2 build">[[File:Soldier_emblem_RED.png|19px]] [[User:JerryPL|JerryPL]] <sup>[[User talk:JerryPL|Maggots!]]</sup></font> 03:25, 16 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::I like the vertical one for two reasons.  It would fit on smaller screens better and rows are much easier to templateize than columns. --[[User:Org|Org]] 07:41, 16 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:::However, it fails to figure out how we would list exceptions to the upgrades. Would that be a different table? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Dashin' Hashshashin.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Dr. Grordbort's Copper Crest.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 14:16, 21 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::::I made up some thoughts and i think the best way to have every robot avaiable on every robot page is a class nav bar. What is required? One sentry buster picture and one giant picture, and a general addition for the robots. My tryout for this here: [[User:TheDoctor/Robot_Nav_Bar]] . I think this would be nice. [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] 18:24, 21 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== English pages in search results to come first? ==
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Hello ! Im a translator of the unused content and i see on the social media a leak from 2023 of some map and iteam thats has been abandoned or unfinished. So i was thinking if i can work on it for make some page on the unused content section. (The leak is from a valve employer) [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there any way to make english pages appear in search results first? It's rather annoying to scroll down through all the translated pages before you find one in english. [[User:ErroR|ErroR]] 05:16, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:Please use the add section button next time. This issue has been brought up several times before, and there has been no fix for it. It is not a fix that is really needed, either. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 05:19, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::Sorry about that, still need to get get used to the formatting. [[User:ErroR|ErroR]] 07:07, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:::I disagree, there is a solution to get rid of all the pages in the wrong language: replace the entire translation system with what wikipedia does: real language specific wikis that have links between them in the sidebar. It fixes all the bugs, but requires separate mediawiki installs and is a lot of work to change to.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] 14:42, 22 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::::That "lot of work" would involve changing the location of every page that's been translated, ever. And, since the english page needs updating too, it would thus include every page in the wiki. That's completely unreasonable, and considering the benefit, pointless. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Dashin' Hashshashin.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Dr. Grordbort's Copper Crest.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 16:06, 22 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:::::Yeah, I understated the impact. And I do agree, it just isn't worth it. Not even if it was automated.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] 17:48, 22 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Developer wiki link in the sidebar ==
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:As long as you source all of these changes and abide by the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Policies#Leaked content|leaked content policy]]. This leak was also not from a Valve employee, as far as I know.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I think that the sidebar should include a link to [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page the official developer wiki] along with the other cross wiki links.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] 13:53, 22 August 2012 (PDT)
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::So if i understand, i donnt have the right to put any picture of anything if it's from a leak ? And by the way, how did the code for cited content from leak work ? And if it's not from a valve employer, from who it's from ? (Sorry for all my question and thanks for anwsering me ;-;) [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 16:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
:You'd need to ask Valve to link back to here and the other Wikis first, and all the Wikis would need to agree on it.  Valve administer the VDC directly; non-employees can not modify the site. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:25, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::Are you saying that the link must be bidirectional? Also, the developer wiki is editable by anyone who bothers to register for an account (like myself).--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] 19:28, 24 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Correct, the linking must be mutual. And by administer I meant modifying the site interface, which includes the sidebar; only Valve employees can modify that on the VDC. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 19:58, 24 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
==Welcome Team==
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:::Don't link to any places that host leaked content (so do not link to a Tweet containing a picture of a leaked model, or containing a link to a Google Drive with the leaked content, etc.), do not directly upload media of leaked content or copy-paste code, and do not link to or upload media of recreations of leaked content. All the information you put on the page should contain a reference to where you got it from (see the examples on the policy). It's likely someone with a Source engine license that leaked everything.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Prior to being on the TFWiki, I was part of another Wiki where they had a "welcoming committee" that seemed to be very successful. It was very easy to speak to other users, and new members would get help almost immediately. Indeed, there were less issues regarding newer members not reading rules, and misunderstanding them, and there was a real sense of community cohesion.
 
  
I'd like to be able to bring my own take on a welcoming committee to the TF Wiki, which is why I'm back (again) with the [[User:Wingless/Sandbox/Welcome Team|Welcome Team]]. The page I have created has information for existing members, who can simply become part of the team by signing their name on the respective table, as well as a section for new users to put any questions they may have which can be answered by anyone across the Wiki, be they team members or regular Wiki members. Indeed, having a userbox to show that you're a part of the team would definitely help newer members identify who they can turn to. There is also an example question I put just so you can see how I hope the Q&A section would be used in future. Remember, the more questions answered the better this page becomes in terms of handling new member's questions.
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::::I understand, thanks a lot for your help again and i will do evrything you say ! [[User:Nonolemage|Nonolemage]] ([[User talk:Nonolemage|talk]]) 16:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  
It might not sound very different to simply putting a welcome template on a users talk page and be done with it, but I think the page definitely would explain more (I hope) than what I'm trying to explain over here, so please take a look at it for yourselves and give me your opinions, regarding should this be pushed out or forgotten, different subtopics for Q&As, anything! Thanks in advance! [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 09:45, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
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== [[Template:Community Medal Nav|Community Medal Nav]] (closed) ==
:Welcoming users does not need to be formalised. It should happen naturally, however I've noticed that people just use the welcome template without really addressing the new user's specific needs, and in some cases include warnings (like show preview) in addition to the welcome template, which is confusing and contradictory. New users can use this discussion page or hop into the IRC to ask questions. Your proposal complicates what should be a simple and personalised task. If you see a new user who needs help, just post on their talk page to reassure them that help is available. It really is that simple. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:25, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::Ah, I understand. I was hoping to make the process perhaps more accessible, but I completely understand what you're saying. Maybe I am lengthening it rather than shortening it... [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 08:31, 24 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Project Feature Length - part 2 ==
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I feel a bit lost with the medal scheme and how it has been handled. Where exactly is this template supposed to be used? I know that {{tl|Hat Nav}} lists the same contents, which I recently updated. I think we should either use this one and remove the medal section from Hat Nav or just use Hat Nav, no? Thanks in advance [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 21:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  
''Note: See previous discussion [[#Project Feature Length|above]]''
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:With the ever-increasing MvM medals, we should remove it from the Hat Nav and keep this one. The Hat Nav will cause pages to be too large at some point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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:: Would adding an [https://i.imgur.com/XeBjHCT.png 'Other' section with two links] for Community and Tournament medals work then? With this approach, we also need to update the "[[Template:Competitive Nav|Competitive play]]" Nav. Also, both templates use images, is there a specific reason for that?
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:: Edit: They're also cosmetic items, so they should still be mentioned, in my opinion [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 21:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I have started a very rough draft of a project page [[User:R4wrz0rz0r/PFL|here]]. Please use this discussion to either voice your opinions on the idea, or to suggest changes to the page. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 10:46, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
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:::I would put the 2 links in the hat nav, then keep the medal nav separately. The comp nav can get rid of it imo, and just having a tournament medal link. I prefer having this separate one.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
:If you substitute step one with "Post the page to [[TFW:Discussion|here]], the IRC channel, or [[TFW:Tasks|here]]", you'd realise that you're trying to reinvent the wheel. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 10:54, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I believe this will be helpful to the community. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 11:02, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Note sections on cosmetic articles and beyond ==
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:::: I like the template, but it's too big. We don't need images for all the medals: they are exactly the same and this won't scale well if Valve ever allows new medals again (see comp nav). — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 00:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Recently, I decided to implement a section titled "Notes" to every article.
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::::: Disagree with "they're exactly the same," they're clearly, almost all of them, not ''exactly'' the same, but I know that my opinions about all this don't matter too much anyhow. I would be fine with listing the names of the medals instead, but then they'd all have the name of the operation over and over again, and it would be very clunky to look at. That's how it was in the promo nav to begin with, and that's what ''I'' wanted to change -- but then, that would require extra name strings that are just "Shimmering Souvenir", for example, and Swood already said that was too much. The images were my way of compromising on that, considering the Competitive nav already did that, but then ''that's'' wrong too, so whatever, I can't do any of this properly. — [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 03:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
My reasoning for this is, there's a lot of bad trivia out there. A lot of observations under trivia that, while interesting to read, don't fit in the article under the trivia guidelines. The addition of the Notes section solves that problem. It's a little like a trivia section, but a bit looser. The difference being that the Trivia section contains a neat or interesting story about the item itself, the production of the item, the history of the item, basically the item is the focus.
 
 
The Notes section, however, addresses the somewhat more meta facts.
 
  
The winners of the [[Hat Describing Contest]] were moved to their respective articles notes sections, for example. I felt this was an important fact to mention in the article, but not important enough to put in the top. Frankly, it felt tacked on and just didn't look good. Now it has a snug little place to go. Same goes for the few hats that appear in Portal 2.
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:::::: They are all the same just with a unique hex paint the MVM ones have been reused over and over, there is no model difference between them other than the paint, If the medals were "different" they would have unique models to go alongside them, but back on subject, theres so many of these damn things it would be nice to be able to filter them out entirely. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 
The Batter's Helmet article featured a bit of trivia observing that the hat is worn by a couple of robots in MvM mode. I felt this wasn't worth having under the trivia section, but I really wanted to keep it so the Batter's Helmet article could link to the MvM pages. It fit perfectly in the note section.  
 
  
As of right now, I've gotten all of the hats included in the Hat Describing Contest done, as well as all of the items found in Fall Crates. My intention was to finish all of the other cosmetics over the course of the next couple days, and then move on to weapons and classes.  
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By "exactly the same", I meant all the MvM medals that share the same model but have a different paint applied. An average user doesn't care if the medal is pink or green, they are way more interested in the model itself. The same applies to the comp nav: we don't have an icon for every season of each tournament, only for different models.<br>
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I personally don't see how extra strings are too much and I agree that the icons look way better than whatever is going on with the comp nav template. My point here is that this template currently is too big and has too much repetitive information to work as a navbox.<br>
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Also, I know that it is common for us to get attached to our creations (in this case, the template), but suggested changes to a template are usual business. Please don't take it personally, your opinions always matter. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 14:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
I've been seeing my changes reverted offhandedly, one by one, by other editors who don't realize that I'm personally implementing this mass layout change. I understand why that's happening, as I didn't exactly give any warning. It also may not be as appealing as the current layout to some editors.
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:If I remember correctly, the "too many strings" were in reference to another nav, where I suggested removing them and replacing them with links to the operation page's rewards section. There were a few medals for each operation with a link to the same section each time. Having too many strings was in reference to the promo nav, not the one we're talking about.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
  
So go ahead and let me know what you guys think? If more people seem to disagree than agree, I'll go ahead and revert my changes. --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 06:29, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
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:: So if it's suddenly not too much trouble to localize different name strings for use within this nav specifically, for reasons I won't pretend to understand, nor do I care to ask about further, I propose that if we absolutely must, we strip the pictures and the paint splats, and in the case of MVM operations, we have the link to the operation, and then within that category, plain-text names of just the medals, stripped of the operation name and years, when necessary. (That is, "Operation Galvanized Gauntlet Bejeweled Bounty 2023" becomes  "Bejeweled Bounty", and so on. Cleaner, easier to read, and you already get that it's supposed to be within that operation.
: Notes sections aren't a new thing. People just don't use them enough. Also you should consider moving from trivia to notes a promotion rather than demotion. Trivia is for possibly interesting pieces of information. Notes are for things that are, well, noteworthy. I'm guessing that your edits are getting undone mostly because people aren't paying attention to the nature of the edit, it probably didn't help that you waited until just now to make a talk line about it. I personally am okay with someone doing this. Especially as far as the contributor credits and secondary but mostly irrelevant information like the item's original name are concerned. It's definitely respectable to give someone credit but the fact is that it isn't a high priority part of the page layout and should be arranged as such. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 06:38, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:: I think mass changes to formats need to be discussed more than this before being implemented. I don't like the notes section, it just adds an extra layer to the pages and the differences between notes and trivia are going to be hard for us to maintain, while we had easy to understand and simple rules regarding where contributor stuff goes. Right now I'm looking at the Red-Tape and half the notes seem like trivia, the other seem like they were one line fine in the opening paragraph. It seems to just be another layer of things we have to check on pages, versus a system that was working fine previously. I feel the notes section will just become a glorified pre-2010 trivia section, as it already seems to be. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 07:28, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: No need 'Notes' in da articles. 'Trivia' section is enough.
 
: ''The Notes section, however, addresses the somewhat more meta facts'' - trivia rules need to be updated to that 'meta facts'. --[[User:Askarmuk|askarmuk]], '''[[User talk:Askarmuk|C?]]''' 12:33, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:: I understand the redundancy in having the workshop links and images on every single page. That does seem like something that is a little badly formatted, but a new section doesn't seem needed. What if we added an extra piece at the bottom of the Infobox with the workshop submission image, and a link to the submission itself and the name it was submitted with (even if the name is the same as the item in the game). Like this quick mock-up [http://i.imgur.com/bkFD9.png] . [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 13:58, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::: It's later in the day, and I believe I'll expand a bit on why I think the approach of a notes section isn't quite the best solution. Adding a notes section means that every single page, in every language, now has to be updated and have a new section maintained. With this new section, new rules need to be drafted up for the section and implemented, and these rules need to take awhile for people to get the feel for. It's a new section for editors to mess up editing in, being confused on what goes there, versus trivia, leading to more work for everyone. I see it now, as some people begin to try and implement your notes section by just changing the trivia section to now read "notes" which isn't really what would happen at all, and I think that confusion would continue for a long time (especially with no formal style guide), versus a system we have now that works fairly well. Further, I think an item infobox based solution would be more suited, if we're in need of a solution. This would mean they wouldn't have to be translated entirely to be added to pages, it would mean workshop thumbnails would not need to be manually added to pages in a gallery, and it would be a lot easier to maintain as item infoboxes are not things new editors usually edit, and they're not as confusing as a new section, as their purpose is very clear. The item infobox is already also where users look for this information, it's where contributor info is held, equip regions, etc, more "out of game" info. Not sure where to go with the descriptions. I think it's important information to preserve, since it's not easy to find this info elsewhere, and it does mean those people are connected to those items. But you're right, it is a little awkward there, same for kill icon submissions. Honestly, that might be fair game for adding right to the trivia section, as it's interesting information that's not an easy observation. Sure it'd add trivia sections to many pages that don't have them, but trivia sections are pretty stable these days as far as maintenance goes. I hope you understand where I'm coming from, this seems like a big solution for a little problem. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 20:34, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:::: This is not a good idea at all. For the first thing that I need to point out is that "Notes" is mainly used to point out things thats not involving the following: The Item was contributed via Steam Workshop under the name *******, The item desc was submitted by ****** for the Hat Describing Contest and other following things. That is half information/ half trivia, and it should be placed up as it's usually applied in (The Description section). Items involving in the P2 Crossover, Steam Workshop etc. should stay as they are. Or we might just need to move Halloween item description about the full moon effect to this Notes thing too, which is as mentioned a meta fact.  
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:: I ''would'' fight for the pictures, but it's clear that's not about to happen for me, and it's best for me to give it up and take the bullet, like I always have to. I'll believe that my opinions always matter when they start being correct ones to have. — [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 14:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
That counts also with the Pyroland assist descriptions.
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::: ThatHatGuy I'm not against your template creation but I searched a little more and its being used with {{tl|Hat Nav}} so we need to decide which one we gonna use, because currently, they have the same contents. Given the opinions above, I think a more neutral solution would be to move the Hat Nav contents to these two templates, so they stay similar to each other. [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 18:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Another thing is that this will require a rewriting on other languages and that is from what I can say, is a waste of time for translators like myself. Im not saying this to be lazy, but this will be needed to be applied for '''every''' language. And some have only afew translators who are possibly stressed enough by keeping up with the Wiki articles that needs to be done as it is. For further more, that will not also mess up with previous work, but confuse the users who works on a translation and they will go like "What is this?". They will soon find out about that and will eventually getting frustrated (like I first did when I saw this for the first time) and possibly lay off editing at all.
 
This will lead to a rewriting on guidelines also possibly and fuck up existing users way to edit. But by any means, go ahead and apply this. I will do as it's printed on the /en to keep up with current articles. I can spend some hours on fixing things, and not in a pitty way of saying.
 
Take this up with the administration and/or staff and until then, I won't translate until this is settled with.
 
  
[[File:User Ravecrib9t4 Signature Logo.JPG |35px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#141414 ">TNS</span>]] 05:17, 10 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::: That didn't ''matter'' when some of those event pages, for '''years''', had both the Hat Nav and the Promo Nav on them. The Promo Nav, by definition, has the same stuff that's already on the Hat Nav. Community medals used to be listed individually on there too. Now all of a sudden, there's a ''new'' nav, that I made because Swood wanted to separate the Community Medals into their own page, and suddenly, that's something worthy of being dissected and put under a microscope.
  
Adding a Workshop section to the right section of an article seems like a good idea, but facts like Description writers, Portal 2, and Contribution! page information will still be tacked on. What can be done about that? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 20:25, 10 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::: Fix it how you all want. I've said my piece about it, but clearly I don't know what I'm doing. [[File:User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png|30px|link=User:ThatHatGuy]] 00:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Requires modifying on the itembox template. [[File:User Ravecrib9t4 Signature Logo.JPG |35px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#141414 ">TNS</span>]] 22:43, 10 September 2012 (PDT)
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::::: closed given the recent discussion [[User:Mgpt|Mgpt]] ([[User talk:Mgpt|talk]]) 02:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
::: If someone wants to give me access, I'd like to get right on that.--[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 23:57, 10 September 2012 (PDT)
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== Trivias without confirmations ==
  
:::: That will need to be taken up with the administration/mods before anything like that would be approved. [[File:User Ravecrib9t4 Signature Logo.JPG |35px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#141414 ">TNS</span>]] 04:34, 11 September 2012 (PDT)
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Since recent policy change now requiring trivias to have linked confirmations from contributors, there are still many old items that have trivias based on speculations (especially items made by Valve which can't really be confirmed). What should be done with them? [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 09:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::::You should test it on your sandbox page. That way, you can just show the changes you made to an admin and they can push them through. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Détective Noir.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Professor Speks.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 09:09, 11 September 2012 (PDT)
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:Leave them, we'd have to clear out pretty much most trivia sections otherwise. Unless you find proof of the contrary, just leave them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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::What about [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crafty_Hair#Trivia this one]? A promo item that directly references a game from said promotion, but trivia is about completly different character. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::I believe it's a invalid trivia, though changing the name of character and game would be better compare to completely remove the trivia [[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::"It is based on one of the male soldiers' hairstyles in the video game UFO: Enemy Unknown" in the first paragraph. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah my bad, mention it 2 times is kind of surplus just remove it. [[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 09:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
== "This melee weapon's Critical Hit animation is..." ==
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::::::Promo items should have their reference stated in the intro, not Trivia. Feel free to remove, it is possible that the Crafty Hair is modelled after hair that is modelled after said character.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
  
Some Melee Weapon articles have this bit of info and some don't. Should all melee weapon articles have this, or in light of the melee weapon demonstration makeovers, should they all be removed?
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== Reports/Missing template translations reporting erroneous data ==
  
Useful? Useless? What's the general consensus? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 11:33, 12 September 2012 (PDT)
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It seems like a very [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Reports/Untranslated_templates/fr|handy feature]] (as handy as the entire reports page), and oddly enough, it seems to report the same thing for all languages (34 templates), and according to the quick look I did, none of them report missing translations?<br>
:I'd say remove it, as you said the new demonstrations show that information anyway. We don't have a paragraph explaining exactly how the weapon animation looks; there's just no point. {{User:Cooper Kid/Signature}} 11:46, 12 September 2012 (PDT)
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I don't know who would be able to fix this, if it's even broken to begin with, maybe [[User:Darkid|Darkid]]?<br>
:Agreed, the new Weapon Demos are capable of showing it far better than text (obviously). [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 11:52, 12 September 2012 (PDT)
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Do note that I didn't touch template translating very much in my time here, I looked up the line numbers using Notepad++. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
: I support the removal. [[User:Sven|~Sven~]] 15:31, 12 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: Remove it, it's kind of pointless to state and the weapon demo shows it anyway [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 16:54, 20 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== MvM Mission Pages -- Legend needed ==
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:For the [https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Overheal_tool first result] it looks like fr is not declared in the {{Translation switching| line which probably leads to it showing up in that report. I'm going to guess it's the same for all the other ones. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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::I can take a look, thanks for the ping. [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
  
I am under the opinion that the templates generated for the mission breakdowns of the MvM maps (IE, [[Crash Course (mission)]]) could benefit from a legend explaining how the banding works, what's the difference between a weave and a sub wave, etc. I figured it out by staring at it for a bit but the information as it stands is not the clearest format it could be expressed in, in my opinion. --[[User:Org|Org]] 00:01, 15 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::Damn, that was as quick as Dustbowl backcap, I sort of expected the "declare thing", but I doubt each of the members would forget to put it in, if that's the issue.
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:::I would also expect hundreds of entries with varying results for every lang, not 34. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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::::Hmm, looks like I might've screwed up when I changed the regex on Feb 1st (or at least, page history shows a major diff there). Fixing that now, should be corrected tomorrow. [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::+622,418 bytes coming through, seems about right! Looks like it's working again, thanks Darkid. <span style="background:#393939;padding:2px 12px;font-family: TF2 Build;font-size: 1em;border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px;">[[User:Luno|Luno]] <span style="color:#FC0;letter-spacing:-2px">🪐🌕</span> [[User talk:Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Talk</span>]] <span style="color:#559655;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Special:Contributions/Luno|<span style="color:#fff">Contributions</span>]] <span style="color:#538AC5;letter-spacing:-2px">/</span> [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Translation_progress/fr|<span style="color:#4d748b">T</span><span style="color:#fff">ea</span><span style="color:#ab4848">m</span>]]</span> 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  
== New Patner! ==
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== A technical request for "Used by" template ==
  
Hey guys!
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"Localized versions of this template are not necessary." Well, they actually are needed, due to inflection of words in some languages. For Polish, "<nowiki>{{Used by|all}}</nowiki>" and "<nowiki>{{Used by|Soldier|etc.}}</nowiki>" sound fine, but "<nowiki>{{Used by|all-except|</nowiki>" needs translation switching, as it sounds very bad when names of classes are not inflected. I don't know about other languages, but some may require it too. For Polish, here's how it should look to be grammatically correct (only for "<nowiki>{{Used by|all-except|</nowiki>"):
I have a new partner that I recently told about the wiki. ( Sorry for bad grammar )
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:Scout = Skauta
Anyways, he said it would be great if we could be well known, he loves blogs and it just seems fun
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:Soldier = Żołnierza
*Actual quote from him*
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:Pyro = Pyro
His name is Waffles1092, admin of Organization XII, ( Me to )
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:Demoman = Demomana
Tolerates anyone, has good trades, and is reliable, he would be great in the wiki
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:Heavy = Grubego
This is all I have to say for now, I'll post more later!
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:Enginner = Inżyniera
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TTPNColgate|TTPNColgate]]''' ([[User talk:TTPNColgate|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TTPNColgate|contribs]]) </small>
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:Medic = Medyka
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:Sniper = Snajpera
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:Spy = Szpiega
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[[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 14:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  
:Tell your partner I said hello. --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 16:08, 20 September 2012 (PDT)
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:These requests should really be on the template's talk page instead.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::Anybody can edit the wiki, we don't do "partnerships" with specific individuals. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 16:37, 20 September 2012 (PDT)
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::Thanks. I've moved it there. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 08:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
  
== 'See Also' section - what's supposed to be in it? ==
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== Where can I interact with the community? ==
  
As [[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] has just started 'cleaning up' all of the weapon pages, removing links to similar weapons, I wonder what is '''actually''' supposed to go into this section.
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Is there a discord or something to interact with the community? Thank You.
After a brief discussion on IRC, {{tooltip|we|i-ghost, TheRealDoctor, RagnarHomsar, Pigophone}} couldn't come to real general consensus.
 
I had ideas that the see also section should be possibly used for:
 
* Visually similar items
 
* The same type of weapon (although there is the weapon nav right below)
 
* Having some other link, like promotional items linking to the game which they were from (although this should be explained in the opening paragraph)
 
Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#See_also_section states] that the see also section is 'ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense'
 
So, what do you think should be in here? [[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]] 18:32, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:I think weapon in similar type '''should not''' add because nav box can access and easier to see. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 18:33, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
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[[User:QS Quark|QS Quark]] ([[User talk:QS Quark|talk]]) 13:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
::Then again, two weapons from two different classes could be very similar, and the nav wouldn't show that - the user might want to know that there are other items like it. For example, Mad Milk linking to Jarate and vise-sersa. [[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]] 18:39, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::It should add if different class but if same class, I think nope. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 18:43, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:In my think I think See Also section should have
 
* The same type weapon of different class
 
* The game that was Promotional (If have)
 
* Weapon Strategy
 
:That's all in my think. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 18:50, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:::I miss '''similar items'''. I mean the horific headsplitter which has a cleaver and also the flying guillotine. It should be at least linked to it. Also we are not speed dating so take your time with each edit. [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] > [[User:TheDoctor#-/+ Wiki-Skills|Add + or - skills for me]] 19:00, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
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:You can join the [[IRC]] if you want. There is no Discord (and we also won't make one).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
::::It was removed on the horific headsplitter page (I added it by myself but someone removed it) [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 19:33, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::::Everyone can remove or add links, that doesnt make it always right or wrong. I still think it deserves to stay because of the similarity with the item. [[User:TheDoctor|δ³Σx²]] > [[User:TheDoctor#-/+ Wiki-Skills|Add + or - skills for me]] 19:50, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:So I make it in short that See Also section should have
 
* The same type weapon of different class
 
* The game that was Promotional (If have)
 
* The similar items
 
* Weapon Strategy
 
:[[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 20:16, 21 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::To clarify, as I'm sorry your english is not entirely understandable, we are to list:
 
::*Reskins of this weapon (i.e. identical damage weapons)
 
::*The source game (for promotional items)
 
::*Weapon Strategy
 
::*Visually similar items
 
::Am I correct? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon German Gonzila.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon License to Maim.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 18:19, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Identical weapons would be displayed in the damage box, so I don't think that its necessary to show that. [[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]] 18:23, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Although the Robo-Sandvich, for example, as it's a quite special weapon, is most likely ok to be in the see also section for Sandvich [[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]] 19:01, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::::I didn't mean reskin, I mean the same type weapon of different class (e.g. Mad milk and Jarate). And reskin should not go there because most reskin weapon is the same class weapon (e.g. Robo-Sandvich is reskin of Sandvich, Maul is reskin of Homewrecker) [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 18:58, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::I feel that 'See also' should include: Further reading, or possible confusions. Thus, visually similar items (Headsplitter and Flying Guillotine) along with reskins (Pistol and Lugermorph). It would be excessive for, say, the pyro to have 7 'see also' links for his/her melee weapons for three reasons: 1, those items are in the weapons nav box. 2, those items are in the crafting guide box. 3, it clogs the space. Reskins are limited in number and seem to me to be a related article, thus ideal for 'see also'. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon German Gonzila.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon License to Maim.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 19:17, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::: I think reskins should be listed, except in the case where the reskin is for lots of classes (so the Saxxy for example wouldn't be listed on every stock page, but the Black Rose should be listed on the knife page). It is so of redundant, but the weapons list is both huge and auto-collapsed, so finding it is not easy. And also the nav doesn't really note the item is a reskin. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 19:18, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 

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Dark Mode

I don't think I even need to explain this. Wikipedia itself has it, so do other wikis. I do have a browser extension for dark mode, and optimally a dark theme for TFwiki should still keep muted earthy orangish tones and such, but at this point with my eye strain I'd take anything. It would encourage more dedicated editing streaks, perhaps, since many of us are night owls too.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 03:23, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Easier said than done, it's being worked on but we can't promise anything.
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Valve Store

The official Store has been closed down for months now by Valve, and there's no reasonable smidgeon of proof to believe it's coming back any time soon. The Wiki, in many articles, links directly to the Store still, or mentions it, but even tooltips for certain hats will just say they're "not available". This is kind of awkward, and makes the average user waste a click (the horror, I know). And even I get a false hope sometimes that it changed, but it's Valve after all. Should something be done about this, and how? Can there be an automatic disclaimer the Store is gone? Should links be removed? Just let the dead ends sit forever?--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 02:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Try to find an archive.org version of it, otherwise just add a tooltip saying it's not available anymore due to store shutdown.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Painted variants with both Styles and separate Classes images, a design proposal

Hi. So, I have several mockups of things to suggest which I'll be writing it up eventually. For now, I was making changes to the Robot Chicken Hat page, and was thinking about adding class variants to the paint gallery, as each class changes the hat's design a little (taller combs, different beak designs, etc.). However, if I were to make those paint variants per class, the current way we put styles and classes to the table looks... off, to say the least. At the moment, if I were to make it consistent with the rest of the Wiki, it would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/gfdAUBL. But, instead, I thought about this mock-up: https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK. Not only this looks more visually appealing, but it also takes a lot less space. The only problem that it may be confusing for cosmetics that separate styles by a group of classes (Cotton Head, Brotherhood of Arms, etc.). So... I thought about just making the class buttons that aren't active a little darker (same thing with the Style name): https://i.imgur.com/Fiw1zRT. Here's another example with the Cotton Head: https://i.imgur.com/ZhkQwGG. Mouse-hovering the class icons could also show their class names ("Pyro, Medic, Spy" and "Other classes" in the case of Cotton Head) Thoughts? Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I like this proposal, although I think it's not necessary for every page. Only for the ones where the tabs become too much.
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Inconsistency regarding items with one team color, but shows team-colored parts of a player model

Hello. So, when I started adding tabs to the paint variants, and just browsing the Wiki as a whole, I noticed that a couple pages are inconsistent in regards to the unpainted variants. In almost every case of cosmetics that use part of the player model, but only has 1 skin (not team-colored), the team-colors syntax isn't added to the tab, and we only have the UNPAINTED version on the paint variants table (example includes the Soldier's Stash, Horrible Horns on Spy, and much more), but some other pages still shows the BLU variant of a player model despite the item only having one skin (Texas Half-Pants, Millennial Mercenary's Streaming 2Fort style, Exquisite Rack, Battle Bob's With Helmet style, Bacteria Blocker's Headphones style, etc).

Some other pages also includes two identical RED and BLU images for the infobox, just because the item has two materials per team, but still uses the same exact texture and values (basically two identical .vmt files). I don't remember what pages has it now, but there are some pages that has that. I did that on Decorated Veteran since I've heard about doing that in the past before: "even if they look identical, put in two separate uploads". There's also no current way to just show one skin on the infobox (however that's something I'm looking to suggest soon enough on my mega infobox improvements topic).

Because we use the infobox, as well the RED and BLU parts of the paint variants table to show the different Skin Colors of the ITEM, I would say to actually cleaning it up these inconsistencies. So, for instance, on Texas Half-Pants, there wouldn't RED and BLU images for each style, because they look identical on either team, and, there's only two skins on the model (one for the Tan style, the other for the Midnight style [older cosmetics used a different way in handling styles, as opposed to separate models, many old cosmetics would use different skins for styles, and the Item Schema would redirect what skins to use depending on the style chosen]). The colors change on the images right now, because it's the colors of Engi's default pants, but not the actual item model changing colors. Meaning that, the RED / BLU on the infobox would be removed, the BLU_... images would be deleted, and the RED_ images would be moved to the _UNPAINTED.png suffix instead.

Some may argue that, since the team-colored paint can image previews also change the pants colors, that these should stay in, but, I don't agree. These are to show the item's team-colors being affected (both the UNPAINTED versions and the team-colored paint cans), not the player model's team-colors, but let me know what do you think.

Items that have 0 changes on team-colors despite having them (same exact .vmt values), I'd also say to get rid of it, as they provide no real information for the reader other than perhaps modders, so they don't need to go all the way of decompiling models to add team-color support, for instance. Some require close inspection however. The Mann-Bird of Aberdeen looks like to be the case, but the green area is just slightly brighter on BLU. I'd still keep the same colors for Styles and classes (like Team Captain for Heavy), until a more fully-fledged infobox edit comes along the way that adds support to just 1 skin on the infobox (like this: https://i.imgur.com/GQP1ou0). I will still point out many of these on my eventual discussion of infobox changes in another topic. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I would support every page having both team colours.
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Articles for individual environmental hazards

Some of the older environmental hazards have their own articles. Specifically, they are: Ghost, Pumpkin bomb, Saw blade, and Train.

These are some fairly simple hazards: ghost goes "boo", pumpkin bomb goes "boom", blade goes "bzzt", and train goes "[Train horn noises]". They all have fairly short articles, and are also covered in the Environmental death article.

I propose we change these four into redirects to the Environmental death article, similar to Pitfall.

As for their Update histories, I have three ideas:

  • Add the section to the Environmental death article and carry them over.
  • Create a separate page for that (similar to the Item timeline pages).
  • Ignore them (essentially already the case for all the hazards that don't have their own articles).

I am ok with Skeletons and the Halloween bosses having their own articles, however, as they are more elaborate (which is noticeable by simply comparing article sizes).

Opinions? - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I think some of these pages can add value, such as the specifics in the hazard infobox. I'd push for more articles rather than less, similar to List of game modes, where each hazard has its own page as well as a short description on the overall page. I would prefer this because it would cut down on the clutter on the Environmental death page, for example the pumpkin bomb section is 5 identical hazards that are just reskinned. It would be better to have this in a gallery on its own page, rather than several entries on that page.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
I believe it is better to keep the pages separate, as putting them all together in one could generate a lot of visual clutter, in addition to having a lot of information for the reader to consume at once. Furthermore, it would be complicated to gather all the update histories on the articles. Essentially, we would be taking separate articles and combining them into one big article, where each section (divided by == Section title ==) would be a "complete" article.
Tiagoquix (talk) 18:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A request

In Polish language we don't capitalise most words like in English language and the way quality items have their quality displayed looks like this: Rocket launcher (vintage). The problem is that in Template:Mann-Conomy Nav Vintage quality in Polish and Russian is not capitalised and looks weird in the template where everything is capitalised except this one word. Is it possible to add a new entry in the dictionary for this template only, where 'Vintage' is capitalised for these languages? In Polish it's even more confusing, because Classic and Vintage share the same translation, so it could be shown in the tempalte as 'Vintage quality' (Jakość klasyczna in Polish). User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

If it's the very first letter that needs to be capitalised, you can use {{ucfirst:<string>}} to turn the first letter into a capital. For example, {{ucfirst:hello world}} generates Hello world.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Could you help me with this? I've changed it in Template:Mann-Conomy Nav but doesn't seem to capitalise the first letter. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, yeah seems like the automatic translation templates automatically uncapitalise it. If you really wanted to implement this you'd have to use the {{lang}} template instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
I already did it once and... User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps leave a hidden comment and use {{lang incomplete}}?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
I've coppied how it looked oryginally but now it shows as red link 'VintageVintage'. Could you look what's wrong with this edit? Except equals sign. I've fixed it later. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 13:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Looks like you forgot to add a vertical bar, which made the link [[VintageVintage]].
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Mann Manor/Mountain Lab's history

I feel maps that we know more detailed information on the history of we should actually have written down so it isn't forgotten, such as for example, Mann Manor/Mountain Lab being an art contest was not the original plan in fact the maps used to have textures before but, that's just what I think. The American Boot (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you think this fact is worth and most player don't know, you can try adding it to Trivia section. Here is a more detailed Trivia guild.Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 05:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure where this Trivia came from or if there is any source for. The Art Pass Contest page states that Robin Walker said they had a map that hadn't been worked on for a while and they didn't have time to do an art pass on it (which means the map just had dev textures).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Weapon articles mentioning taunts that aren't kill taunts

I've noticed a few articles for weapons mentioning that those weapons have a unique taunt that is not a kill taunt, or a variation of the default weapon for that slot (which is still not a kill taunt). These are the Lollichop, which mentions it has a unique taunt based on a scene from Meet the Pyro, and the Third Degree and Neon Annihilator, which mention the added guitar sounds, respectively. In comparison, the Cow Mangler 5000, Scottish Resistance, and Ullapool Caber, which also have unique taunts, do not mention them since they're not kill taunts, and the Vita-Saw, which has has a variation of the default taunt, does not mention said variation.

I think we should remove these notes from the Lollichop, Third Degree, and Neon Annihilator, as they are already all noted in the Pyro taunts page.

Speaking of the Pyro taunts page, I think we can move the "as in Meet the Pyro" comment from the Lollichop's description to a new Trivia section and add that Execution is also based in a Meet the Pyro scene (which is not mentioned). - BrazilianNut (talk) 16:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I think variants on an existing taunt should be mentioned, such as different sounds (such as the Third Degree/Neon Annihilator adding guitar sounds and the Vita-Saw having different melodies being played), but the non-kill taunt shouldn't be mentioned (no note about the Lollichop taunt. Although seeing as it's unique to that weapon, I think the Trivia can stay).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Main menu Smissmas 2023 header localization

'Smissmas 2023' is localized but 'December 7 - January 7' is not. Is it possible to localize it too? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 10:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See Dictionary common strings.
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Thanks. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Link of the wiki team fortress energie drink don't work

[[1]] you see this page on the wiki contain a team fortress wiki energie drink with a link for have it but it don't work and is not secure, can someone help me ? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nonolemage (talk) • (contribs) 2023-12-21, 13:46 UTC

Please sign your messages using ~~~~.
The website appears to be down and no archive of it exists, so unless someone here happens to have a copy we can't do much.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Suggestions related to Infobox, etc

Hi. I have been wanting to write this in the past, but, well, finally here it is. I have a couple suggestions about things related to infobox, and other things to make the design of the Wiki flow better on certain articles. I will be posting here as it covers a multitude of topics, as opposed to posting each one of them on their respective templates. When adding "Support" and "Not Support" on your responses, please make sure to add the number (and letter) behind to specify what you are supporting (or not supporting) as a change (like: "1-c"). With that said, let's get going:


1) Implement a way on the Item infobox template where if a style or class has only one team-color compared to other styles with team-colors, include an icon in the middle of both teams. For instance:

a) The Heavy variant of the Team Captain only has one color, but the page right now includes a duplicate of the RED variant as a workaround. What I suggest is doing this: https://i.imgur.com/YgQHk5z. Make the Heavy variant only one file, and center it. It should be pretty clear that because of the image is in the middle, is that it looks like that on both teams.

b) For items with styles that only has one color (not team-colored), do the same thing as well. In the example of Close Quarters Cover, include the "Alert" style on the infobox in the middle of the "RED" and "BLU" sections of the infobox, something like this: https://i.imgur.com/lARBQME.

c) For items that are not team-colored, but have class-specific variants, include a new part colored in grey called "Both Teams", and include each image on the middle as well. For example, the Dead Little Buddy have 3 model variants, one for Pyro, one for Demoman, and the other for the remaining classes. The idea is this: https://i.imgur.com/xPD9PMO.

d) Although I do not have a mock-up right now, I thought of also doing the same as above for items that has only one color. So, for instance, the Jumper's Jeepcap would have a "Both Teams" section, and it would include the "UNPAINTED" variant on the center. Items with styles with just one color, like Mustachioed Mann, would be similar to Dead Little Buddy, including each style on the infobox, alongside their names. Items like Carl that has no styles, but is neutral-colored, would also have the "Both Teams" part.


2) Get rid of the current "2D" images of Weapons, and use "Item icons" instead. The 2D weapon images are not consistent throughout the Wiki. They have different lighting, different angles, and so on. What I suggest is doing something similar to another Wiki I also contributed (one related to a TF2 sourcemod): https://i.imgur.com/vbvPbGP. This looks extremely clean, and every page would have in this angle. The 2D image only includes the RED variant, just like we use RED classes on our cosmetic previews.


3) Add the "RED" and "BLU" sections on the infobox for Weapon pages, even if the 3D image allows you to switch between teams. Right now, the RED variant is used as the 2D image (for team-colored weapons), while the 2D BLU variant awkwardly sits on the Gallery section. My suggestion would be this: https://i.imgur.com/dM9z7Oo


4) For cosmetic pages that has styles alongside class changes on the Painted Variants table, include additional buttons that include class icons. The idea is to remove clutter on pages with a lot of tabs to choose from (see this page). In technical terms, the style buttons would be responsible to change the "style" part of the filename, while the class buttons would change the class part of the filename. If the first class is chosen, then the code needs to get rid of the class part of the filename, as the first class is always the default: https://i.imgur.com/QmQCLsK

a) Additionally, text could be placed on each row, one for "Style:", and the other for "Class:" for the second row, just so it's a little more intuitive and understandable for everyone.


5) Include "infobox images" for separate styles, and add buttons that let you change it. The idea is to include identical images (with identical classes and facial flexing), with the only thing changing the model. For example, Main Cast would look like this: https://imgur.com/a/OmTIYVs.


6) Include more sections on the Gallery for items with more than one Style. In the past, the Robot Chicken Hat page did include all 9 classes on the Gallery section, with 2 separate sections, one with the "Beak" style, and the other with "Beakless" style. It would follow the same rule as "5)", with both images looking identical facial-flex and pose-wise. Some pages like Dead of Night wouldn't include all classes on each section. Classes with lack of grenades wouldn't be there.

Edit: Some users asked for an example, so, when I talked about the Robot Chicken Hat, it originally looked like this. The images don't exist anymore, but you can still see how it looked like. When I wrote the suggestion, I thought something about that (though it could have been changed a little, like include an "Other" title for the remaining images that aren't related to the class images), but, after Swood's suggestion, I'd say that using Tabs would be more ideal, something akin to how we do on the Tournament Medal pages.

I did an example on my 2nd Sandbox page. I thought something about this: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gabrielwoj/Sandbox2&oldid=3598538 (note that a couple images, namely the infobox team-colors, and paint cans, does not show up properly due to the page's name being different, if this were to be pasted onto the actual page, it would show just as fine). I decided to not make the Tabs centered as regular cosmetic pages are usually not centered, unlike Tournament Medals / Community Medal ones. I also decided to make the gallery width "485px", so it shows 3 images per row, and looks pretty nice and cool with whatever's below that does not require a Tabs section.


7) Lastly. Items that include noticeable team-color differences could also get "Single Color" paint can previews on both teams, even if the paint look identical on the area that is paintable. When Paints were first introduced, they were mostly applied to cosmetics that used the same texture on either team. Now, nowadays, we have cosmetics that include team-colored parts that are not paintable, alongside other parts that are. So, for instance, Brawling Buccaneer would have its Painted variants table from {{Painted variants}} to {{Painted variants full}}, and single color paint can previews for the BLU team would be made, to show how the paint looks like, and despite being painted in the same area, the rest of the item is in another color. Readers might want to know how an item looks on the BLU team. This would take a long time too make for the entirety of the Wiki, and would be a project that would require remaking some paint variants if they do not have Rotation values saved, or if there's another issue that doesn't make them 1:1, but I think it would look good, and useful as well.


8) For items that has several styles / classes on the infobox (such as Manndatory Attire, Beaten and Bruised and Boarder's Beanie‎), make the Infobox template show less of them by default, and include a button with a caption "↓ Show remaining ↓". If possible, make the last one have a "fade" effect, so it's perfectly clear what the button is about. My idea was to include at least 10 of these sections, then fade (because if it reaches 10 of these, it means there's more than one Style per class, where other pages would include 9 of these per class, though, it could be shortened if needed, but personally I would go with 10 sections before the button and fade shows up). It would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/jh6geu6


Edit: 9) Regarding the Styles section. If we include Styles on the infobox, even for items that look the same on either team, is it really necessary to include the "Styles" section on the page, alongside the table, if everything would be on the Infobox? It seems redundant to keep both of them, but, I'd only get rid of the Styles section after everything is added to the infobox, including the single-color Styles on it. Additionally, certain pages that has Styles that change between classes are a little confusing at the moment. Manndatory Attire has only Scout's styles being demonstrated on the table, despite each class changing the visuals.

a) Originally I was going to suggest a class-switcher button, similar to the "4)", but, if "1)" is implemented, I don't see any reason to keep the Styles section. Please let me know if you think there should be either: "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table" or "Getting rid of the Styles section entirely as it would be redundant with all the styles on the infobox once the "1)" suggestion is implemented.

b) The only problem that getting rid of the Styles section would be problematic for items that has barely any difference unpainted, but has more notable differences when paintable. Items like Onimann mostly change its visuals when painted between styles, and if there's no section for it. However, the painted variants table, alongside the main summary on the top of the page, would both visually show the difference, as well would explain in text what each style does in terms of paint.


Please let me know your thoughts below. Notice that I'm not sure if I would be able to implement some of these suggestions, specially the ones for the "Item infobox" template. If there's enough support, I'd appreciate anyone who could implement suggested changes / additions. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 21:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

1. I think that section should be dedicated to showing off the team colours rather than different styles for different classes. If a cosmetic looks different on different classes I would prefer a different box for it similar to the "Styles" section.
2/3. That's fine by me, though I would also want to add a second button to it for the BLU variant rather than stuffing it in the Gallery.
4/5. I like this.
6. I like this, although I would suggest we use the {{Tabs}} template for it.
7. I like this too, but it would require a ton of work and I'm not sure we'd be able to make it through.
8. I'm not sure that I'm a fan of collapsing a bunch of them. I would prefer having them sorted by class instead similar to {{Tabs}}.
9. See answer on 1.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram plus.png Agree - All of these changes look very nice, I don't have anything to say about them.
2 / 3 Pictogram question.png Not sure / changes - Would the change to using weapon icons include BLU weapon icons as well? If it does, I would rather have the 2D BLU image in the main infobox when you click on BLU and then switch to the 2D image instead of it being below the main image.
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree - This also looks nice.
5 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - I don't know how I feel about this, I feel like the painted variants sorta already accomplish the goal of knowing what the cosmetic would look like with the different styles. It would also take a lot of work to recreate a lot of infobox images just for this.
6 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - I have the same thoughts about this as 5, it would take a lot of work to redo a bunch of galleries when the styes / painted variants section already get the job done.
7 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - This would look nice, however it would again take a lot of work to get done.
8 Pictogram plus.png Agree / changes - I like the idea, though I agree with what Swood said with that it would look better if it was just in tabs instead.
9 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I sort of agree with the idea of removing the styles section, but I also do like how there's a sort of simplified section for seeing all of the styles instead of it only being part of the infobox and painted variants.
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Speech typing.png Photo Badge Decal Example.png 03:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram minus.png Disagree - Same reason with Swood, I think the style section should do the job.
2 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Good idea!
3 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - Instead of taking space in infobox, Why don't we use the same button used on 3D images?
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Yes.
5 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Looks nice, but considered what Andrew says we might not getting those done in recent.
6 Pictogram plus.png Agree - We are gonna do a lot of work then I guess.
7 Pictogram plus.png Agree - Same with Andrew360
8 Pictogram question.png Not sure - Looks good, though yeah, why not use {{Tabs}}?
9 Pictogram question.png Disagree.. or Sorta Agree - If I have to choose one from infobox and style section, I would take style section. In my opinion the infoboxs shouldn't be too long and contain too much information, comparing to a small space on the right side of the page, I think the style section can display the information better. If 8 gets passed then I'm fine with it too. (I just don't want to see infobox gets longer than the page itself.)
Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 06:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
1 Pictogram plus.png Sorta Agree - Eh, doesn't matter to me either way.
2 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I wanna see how it would look first.
3 Pictogram plus.png Agree - I was kinda the one to start the whole "shoving the blue variant in the gallery" and have always wondered why there wasn't a color toggle for the 2D variants.
4 Pictogram plus.png Strongly agree - I wish it was like this since the beginning!
5 Pictogram question.png Not sure - I like the idea, but it will take a lot of work updating all the pages and such with the change.
6 Pictogram question.png Not sure - Same answer as 5.
7 Pictogram plus.png Agree - I'm only saying yes because we'll only have to edit the templates which are used across all translation pages.
8 Pictogram minus.png Somewhat disagree - There aren't very many items that have loads of different styles like this, I think I'd wait until we get something like a shirt or coat that includes a load of different styles (with team variants).
9 Pictogram minus.png Strongly disagree - Yeah it is necessary to have a styles section, because they mostly show examples of what they look like on the character wearing it. I know that the infobox has styles too, but they're only the raw models.
ShadowMan44 (talk) 01:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
So, after some user's responses, I'd like to mention a couple things. In regards to most of "2)" and "3)" responses, here's something I didn't mention. There would be a slight problem for items that are not team-colored if we just implemented a RED and BLU image switcher. The idea of using "Item icons" with the RED variant / neutral-color variant, would that it would make everything consistent and nice looking, While "RED" and "BLU" 2D images are usually very consistent too, the current "2D" images used on weapon pages are all over the place. Using the "Item icon" in conjunction with the RED and BLU team-colors means we could use already existing images on the Wiki, too. Not that I would have a problem if new images had to be created for the Neutral-Colored weapons, but, I still think that using the Item icons would highly benefit here, since how nice they look on weapons.
However, if we go with a RED and BLU switcher, what we could perhaps do is team-colored Item icons, yeah that would be awesome. Not only that, but we also have Item icons for Australiums, and, I even made Australium Festivized icons for TF2B a while ago, that is only used there and not on the Wiki, at the moment.
GrampaSwood 6) Yeah, I didn't think of this, but using Tabs on the Gallery would be pretty good, something we already do in Tournament Medal pages, actually.
GrampaSwood, Andrew360, Profiteer 7) While I can't promise I will be on the Wiki forever, and, with my statement on my userpage being correct (that I won't be as active in 2024), making BLU team-colored variants on "Standalone" models is a faster process than when making when loaded as a "weapon" (e.g.: Cosmetic loaded on a player model). The reason I did all the Boarder's Beanie paint variants is solely because it's a standalone model, I was able to generate the paint variants very quickly (and in high quality and proper colors). I can still do every single style and class on BLU as well, for the Single Color paint variants, for the Beanies, I just haven't done since we are still discussing this.
My Laptop is currently not being used. I have thought of the idea of making an HLMV machine, and letting paint variants being made while I do other things. This is something I thought about in the past, but I would require another monitor (which I can buy, no problem), but I also would need time, something I will not have that much starting 2024. However, I'm also in the point where I feel like I have contributed quite a lot for the Wiki already, so I'm kinda conflicted if I should really do this or not. I would only require to re-install Windows, re-configure HLMV (which can be painful), and things like that, before I can make it an idle HLMV machine that makes paint variants.
ShadowMan44 7) Correct, currently, the "Painted variants full" template states that mouse-hovered "Single colors" states that "due to how the cosmetic's textures are set up, it changes colors between teams". This would require to be changed appropriately, somehow, though I don't think that yet another Painted variants template should be made. It should be possible to just add a parameter of some sort.
Gabrielwoj, Andrew360 5) Despite me suggesting this, I was also not too sure about it, but I decided to post it as a matter of discussion. In most cases, Styles just change the look of an item, without changing the placement of the model, or the model itself. In some other cases, however, it does change something Liquor Locker, Pocket-Medes, etc. While it would be an interesting idea, and I do have a couple cosmetics with all styles made already, most of the rest would require to be remade. This could also be a little difficult for regular HLMV users, as refreshing the model viewer gets rid of the facial flex entirely, but not on HLMV++. While you can unload and load submodels without having to refresh, HLMV does read from "$color2" instead of "$colortint_base", which means if someone forgets about that on an older cosmetic, they'd need to refresh after fixing it from the .vmt.
Profiteer 9) That's a good point. I guess if the Styles section was more populated (actually shows differences between classes), then I suppose that items like Manndatory Attire and Boarder's Beanie wouldn't require that huge amount of styles being shown on the table. But then, there's another problem. Items already show their unpainted RED and BLU variants on the infobox, and how exactly could we categorize "exceptions" to be only on the Styles section if we follow your idea?
ShadowMan44 9) I'm not quite sure if I understood what you said. The styles table on both the Style section and infobox use the same exact images, same files, with some exceptions like the Dead of Night and Pocket-Medes. This is why I mentioned it being redundant, because in most cases, both sections use the same images. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 11:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
So Tekinz and Mgpt talked with me via Steam and Discord DMs, and I'd like to post their opinions on this. Tekinz asked me to post on my behalf, explaining what he told me instead of directly quoting him, while mgpt allowed me to directly translate what he told me. With that said, here's what they had to say:
Tekinz: He told me that he agrees with most of my proposed update and changes, while pin-pointing some specific numbers with further explanation. He adds that for "7)", it would be a huge amount of work, and we would need quite a few active image creators to be able to achieve it in a timely manner, but otherwise it would be a general improvement to the pages. On "8)", he adds that he has no real problems with and thinks it's pretty good, mentioning that if combined with "1)", it would look great. On "9)", he mentioned that it's probably a good idea considering how the Styles section is located pretty far on the page and that it would probably be better to have them focused to the infobox since it's much closer to the top, alongside the rest of relevant images. He further adds that the Styles section always seemed not as important since it was too close to the Trivia and Patch Notes, while also being beneath the huge Painted Variants table that overshadows it.
mgpt:
Pictogram plus.png Agree 1. Everything looks okay to me, if it's easy to implement;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 2. I did take a look on some weapons, and I agree in using "Item icons";
Pictogram plus.png Agree 3. I saw the comments, and Andrew360's idea, and I agree, it has my vote;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 4. You got my vote, very good;
Pictogram minus.png Disagree 5. I agree with Andrew360 and Profiteer, I don't think that it's worth the work, considering there's already images below on the infobox, alongside the painted variants;
Pictogram info.png Info 6. It ends up being the same as "5)", however, I'd like to see an example how it would look like;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 7. I'm not sure if I noticed completely, but would that be switching the template from "Painted variants" to "Painted variants full" In several cosmetics, like how it was done in Brigade Helm? If so, I don't see a problem;
Pictogram info.png Info 7. An idea to the template. Wouldn't it look better if it was something like this, with 2 buttons? https://i.imgur.com/LVXXb4C Or is it being done currently like it's on the page so it's possible to compare both teams at the same time? Probably that;
Pictogram plus.png Agree 8. I like the idea, however, the information still continue to be too deep on the page, wouldn't be better to only show 4 or 5, instead of 9?;
Pictogram info.png Info 9. a) "An arrange of buttons that lets you change classes on the Styles table". In the example of Beaten and Bruised, the images wouldn't be anymore on the infobox, correct?;
Pictogram info.png Info I like "8)"'s idea, but if "9)" is applied, then number "8)" is discarded. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I also replied to mgpt regarding some of his questions, so I had the following to say:
7) On number "7)", it would be including previews like how it's done on "Single Color" paint cans on the BLU team, even if when they are applied on the same area, the paint color looks identical to the RED team. Currently, we only use "Painted variants full" in cases of items that has different colorization between teams, such as the case of Stout Shako;
7. a) I liked the idea of including RED and BLU on the top, it would be very intuitive. Post-thoughts: After re-reading his thoughts on this one, I saw that the original idea would be buttons, while I first thought they were simply two sections that would separate the teams more properly, visually. I thought if maybe that by doing so, we could include a faint red and a faint blue background to separate them both, and make the template a little more nice to look at, as currently there's a bunch of paint variants all included in one table.
8) In regards to the default quantity, it would still be discussed, but the main idea would be something that could be expanded to show the remaining. I finished the Boarder's Beanie images, and the infobox ended up being very lengthy. The table for Painted variants will probably change if "4)" is implemented.
9) The images would still stay on the infobox section, but the idea would be that on the Styles table, it would include an array of buttons with each of the classes icons, so it could be changed, similar to what it has been suggested on "4)". The only thing that, if "1)" is implemented, the Styles section may not be as necessary anymore. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 12:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── 1 Pictogram question.png Not sure It sure would be easy to implement but I feel this would discount the usefulness of the class gallery or style section.
2/3 Pictogram plus.png Agree It would clean up the inconsistencies from the 2D weapon images and make them extremely consistent. The item icons are used all over the wiki in subtle ways such as in crafting recipes or in big lists of weapons but it's time for those to be the defacto 2D image for weapons. Bring Shugo-style to the infobox!
4 Pictogram plus.png Agree Adding the class icons in place of the class name plus sorting the paint table by class would greatly improve the user experience. (I always stress when uploading paint galleries with multiple styles that I may upload to the incorrect style/class)
5 Pictogram minus.png Disagree On top of remaking all the infobox images being an immense amount of work, I feel this would also take away from the usefulness of the style box.
6 Pictogram question.png Not sure I would be more open to this than #5 but I often find that the class gallery images often take me the most time to complete and be happy with. Trying to find good and unique poses and appropriate facial flexes for all 9 classes takes me a fair amount of time. I wish I was faster at it.
7 Pictogram question.png Not sure I kind of agree on this point but I feel it could just be on a cosmetic-by-cosmetic basis. Like we do now, I think, we could only implement this on hats that would benefit from a full paint gallery.
8 Pictogram plus.png Agree I agree with the others on this point, {{Tabs}} would be great for this. I am more for moving the class styles out of the infobox and moving them to the style box. I feel more and more pages suffer from having a long infobox with the inclusion of more all-class, multi-style hats. If they were moved to the style box with tabs, I think many pages would look a whole lot cleaner and compact.
9 Pictogram minus.png Disagree See #8
H20verdrive (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I've been mildly intimidated, procrastinating voting on this for a week, but here we go:
1. Pictogram plus.png Agree Very good stuff.
2. Pictogram question.png Abstain Not sure about this, it might seem awkward on some items. Like others have said I'd want to see it first.
3. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree Seems necessary, but I wonder if there's a more cohesive way to display them.
4. Pictogram plus.png Agree Looks nice, more visual and less clutter.
5. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree Seems alright.
6. Pictogram question.png Abstain It seems a bit clunky and as someone said, might take a lot of work, but theoretically seems useful.
7. Pictogram plus.png Weak Agree As H20verdrive said, probably an item-by-item basis (maybe a "limited run" at first for the articles that need it most?) is best.
8. Pictogram plus.png Agree Looks cool; long infoboxes do need help, but I think it's most contingent upon all-class items.
9. Pictogram minus.png Weak Disagree As all others said, this needs tweaking and removing Styles might be too radical, BUT the "arrange of buttons" might work.
Overall, if I had to give a vote for the whole package, Pictogram plus.png Agree, with tweaking.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 02:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, we got a lot of responses with this discussion, thank you everyone for reading and replying. I guess we could start making some of these proposed changes? Ones that got the most positive votes, while discarding ones that didn't get much positive reception. Perhaps let's talk what should be the best options according to your guys voting. I don't have time to actually write up new template codes and stuff at the moment, however some already have templates available for that (#7), and others should be a little more straightforward in changing (I would imagine that including the Shugo style icons for weapons be quite straightforward, if that would go through). Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Swood suggested me to make a table having total votes from everyone:
Suggestion 1 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 7 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 2 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 7 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 3 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 9 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 4 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 10 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 0
Suggestion 5 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 4 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 4 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 6 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 4 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 4
Suggestion 7 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 8 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 0 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 1
Suggestion 8 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 8 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 1 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 2
Suggestion 9 Pictogram plus.png Agree: 2 Pictogram minus.png Disagree: 3 Pictogram question.png Abstain: 4

My own votings have been included too. I agree with all of the changes I proposed except "5)", which I only suggested since I already had some Style images laying around on my computer, ready to be uploaded if it were to be accepted. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 17:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Userbox, and creator page

Hey! I have a question, how i add userbox and how i add some decoration to my page like evryone did ? Nonolemage (talk) 13:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

For userboxes see Team Fortress Wiki:User info boxes. Otherwise, the rest of the decoration is up to you. You may be interested in {{User infobox}}.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the info box ! But how exactly i decorate my page ? Like how i use custom image or something like thats ? Did you have a page thats can help me to do this ?Nonolemage (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Help:Images may help you with how to place images, for images to use, simply upload them using the upload page. The correct format for images only used on your User page is "User Nonolemage [file name]", so for example "User Nonolemage profile picture.png" or "User Nonolemage scout loadout.jpg". When uploading them on the upload page, include [[Category:User images]] in the summary box. This should be done for every image you want to use on your User page.
As for more complicated design, that is usually done using CSS and/or Javascript. I can't help you much with that.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks you a lot ! You realy helped me ! Nonolemage (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Civilian Image

Should we change the image of the Civilian ? Because it's the scout in A pose but the civilain got some real texture thats can be use and found Nonolemage (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That is how the Civilian class looked when it was still available in TF2, Civilian (Classic) is the TFC version.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, but i play a mod of tf2 (tf2c) thats show a finished model of the civilain so maybe i can add a picture of it in the galery for show what it looked finished ? Or it's not important ?Nonolemage (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
That's not an official version of it, that's fan-made. No Civilian model or textures has been made for TF2.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Weapon in user page

Hey it's AGAIN me ! I see some people have a list of weapon they used for evry class but i don't know how to do this, can someone help me ? Nonolemage (talk) 07:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, you could try learning how to use wikitables, there are also templates like Template:Backpack item and Template:User weapon checklist you could use to this effect.
Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Allweapons Nav template

Hi! I've created two mockups as potential replacements for the current Allweapons Nav template. I'd like to get your opinion. You can check out the templates on my sandbox user page (Nav 1 and Nav 2). The "Secondary" label for "All classes" in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it. Thanks! Mgpt (talk) 02:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't really see what's wrong with the current one.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Outdated/It's not a "real" nav like the others (Hat/Tool Nav). If someone else comments please compare both so you can see the differences Mgpt (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I did compare both, but it doesn't exactly answer what's wrong with the current one. If people really wanted it changed I'd go for Nav 1, but I would still like to see stock and non-stock separated.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There's already a nav for them on the weapon page and stock is always the first (they can be in italic, would that work?). I personally prefer Nav 2 because it is actually a nav (not a table) but also consistent with Hat and Tool Nav. Edit: About the availability strings, they shouldn't be there, especially because they're outdated and were added more than 10 years ago. Definitely not the purpose of the template. Mgpt (talk) 20:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I'd prefer for them to be separated regardless, if only in a little box above all of them or with a line separating them. Both the current one and both your versions are technically tables either way, I think a differently structured nav doesn't necessarily make it not a nav or somehow inferior.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Personally, I prefer Nav 1. I like the structure of the current Weapon Nav the way it is, I just don't like the availability strings cluttering things up, and the taunts needlessly listing which weapons they're for. Nav 1 simplifies things in a way that's easier to read, certainly. I'd also be fine with Stock weapons being separated, perhaps with a "Stock" header and then a line break before the others.

Incidentally, re: "the 'Secondary' label for 'All classes' in Nav 2 appears a bit off, and I'm having trouble fixing it."

  • That should be a "Melee" label, as you've probably realized by now.
  • It's looking off because the single list of weapons you've used isn't enough to fill out the space of the column. You'd need at least three lists to fill out the space that the "All Classes" column takes, so the single list you gave sits in the middle. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I made some changes, thanks for the input Mgpt (talk) 03:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Nav 1 seems almost set to me, I like the Normal quality grey indication, while still being separated by slot. My only slight nitpick now would be that I'd prefer if the non-stock weapons were organized by release order -- at the moment, reskins of stock are still at the top of the non-stock section, which doesn't make as much sense, now that we've agreed on separating stock into its own box. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 03:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I initially added them randomly from the Weapons page, but I'll definitely reorganize them by release order :D I may scrap the all class section, the idea was not to repeat weapons, but we have the Shotgun, so... Mgpt (talk) 03:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Updated the template Mgpt (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

About the 2023 leak

Hello ! Im a translator of the unused content and i see on the social media a leak from 2023 of some map and iteam thats has been abandoned or unfinished. So i was thinking if i can work on it for make some page on the unused content section. (The leak is from a valve employer) Nonolemage (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

As long as you source all of these changes and abide by the leaked content policy. This leak was also not from a Valve employee, as far as I know.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
So if i understand, i donnt have the right to put any picture of anything if it's from a leak ? And by the way, how did the code for cited content from leak work ? And if it's not from a valve employer, from who it's from ? (Sorry for all my question and thanks for anwsering me ;-;) Nonolemage (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Don't link to any places that host leaked content (so do not link to a Tweet containing a picture of a leaked model, or containing a link to a Google Drive with the leaked content, etc.), do not directly upload media of leaked content or copy-paste code, and do not link to or upload media of recreations of leaked content. All the information you put on the page should contain a reference to where you got it from (see the examples on the policy). It's likely someone with a Source engine license that leaked everything.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
I understand, thanks a lot for your help again and i will do evrything you say ! Nonolemage (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Community Medal Nav (closed)

I feel a bit lost with the medal scheme and how it has been handled. Where exactly is this template supposed to be used? I know that {{Hat Nav}} lists the same contents, which I recently updated. I think we should either use this one and remove the medal section from Hat Nav or just use Hat Nav, no? Thanks in advance Mgpt (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

With the ever-increasing MvM medals, we should remove it from the Hat Nav and keep this one. The Hat Nav will cause pages to be too large at some point.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Would adding an 'Other' section with two links for Community and Tournament medals work then? With this approach, we also need to update the "Competitive play" Nav. Also, both templates use images, is there a specific reason for that?
Edit: They're also cosmetic items, so they should still be mentioned, in my opinion Mgpt (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
I would put the 2 links in the hat nav, then keep the medal nav separately. The comp nav can get rid of it imo, and just having a tournament medal link. I prefer having this separate one.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
I like the template, but it's too big. We don't need images for all the medals: they are exactly the same and this won't scale well if Valve ever allows new medals again (see comp nav). — Tark 00:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Disagree with "they're exactly the same," they're clearly, almost all of them, not exactly the same, but I know that my opinions about all this don't matter too much anyhow. I would be fine with listing the names of the medals instead, but then they'd all have the name of the operation over and over again, and it would be very clunky to look at. That's how it was in the promo nav to begin with, and that's what I wanted to change -- but then, that would require extra name strings that are just "Shimmering Souvenir", for example, and Swood already said that was too much. The images were my way of compromising on that, considering the Competitive nav already did that, but then that's wrong too, so whatever, I can't do any of this properly. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 03:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
They are all the same just with a unique hex paint the MVM ones have been reused over and over, there is no model difference between them other than the paint, If the medals were "different" they would have unique models to go alongside them, but back on subject, theres so many of these damn things it would be nice to be able to filter them out entirely.
Cheddar (talk) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── By "exactly the same", I meant all the MvM medals that share the same model but have a different paint applied. An average user doesn't care if the medal is pink or green, they are way more interested in the model itself. The same applies to the comp nav: we don't have an icon for every season of each tournament, only for different models.
I personally don't see how extra strings are too much and I agree that the icons look way better than whatever is going on with the comp nav template. My point here is that this template currently is too big and has too much repetitive information to work as a navbox.
Also, I know that it is common for us to get attached to our creations (in this case, the template), but suggested changes to a template are usual business. Please don't take it personally, your opinions always matter. — Tark 14:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the "too many strings" were in reference to another nav, where I suggested removing them and replacing them with links to the operation page's rewards section. There were a few medals for each operation with a link to the same section each time. Having too many strings was in reference to the promo nav, not the one we're talking about.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
So if it's suddenly not too much trouble to localize different name strings for use within this nav specifically, for reasons I won't pretend to understand, nor do I care to ask about further, I propose that if we absolutely must, we strip the pictures and the paint splats, and in the case of MVM operations, we have the link to the operation, and then within that category, plain-text names of just the medals, stripped of the operation name and years, when necessary. (That is, "Operation Galvanized Gauntlet Bejeweled Bounty 2023" becomes "Bejeweled Bounty", and so on. Cleaner, easier to read, and you already get that it's supposed to be within that operation.
I would fight for the pictures, but it's clear that's not about to happen for me, and it's best for me to give it up and take the bullet, like I always have to. I'll believe that my opinions always matter when they start being correct ones to have. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 14:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
ThatHatGuy I'm not against your template creation but I searched a little more and its being used with {{Hat Nav}} so we need to decide which one we gonna use, because currently, they have the same contents. Given the opinions above, I think a more neutral solution would be to move the Hat Nav contents to these two templates, so they stay similar to each other. Mgpt (talk) 18:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
That didn't matter when some of those event pages, for years, had both the Hat Nav and the Promo Nav on them. The Promo Nav, by definition, has the same stuff that's already on the Hat Nav. Community medals used to be listed individually on there too. Now all of a sudden, there's a new nav, that I made because Swood wanted to separate the Community Medals into their own page, and suddenly, that's something worthy of being dissected and put under a microscope.
Fix it how you all want. I've said my piece about it, but clearly I don't know what I'm doing. — User ThatHatGuy Signature Icon.png 00:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
closed given the recent discussion Mgpt (talk) 02:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Trivias without confirmations

Since recent policy change now requiring trivias to have linked confirmations from contributors, there are still many old items that have trivias based on speculations (especially items made by Valve which can't really be confirmed). What should be done with them? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 09:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Leave them, we'd have to clear out pretty much most trivia sections otherwise. Unless you find proof of the contrary, just leave them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
What about this one? A promo item that directly references a game from said promotion, but trivia is about completly different character. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I believe it's a invalid trivia, though changing the name of character and game would be better compare to completely remove the trivia Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 08:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
"It is based on one of the male soldiers' hairstyles in the video game UFO: Enemy Unknown" in the first paragraph. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah my bad, mention it 2 times is kind of surplus just remove it. Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 09:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Promo items should have their reference stated in the intro, not Trivia. Feel free to remove, it is possible that the Crafty Hair is modelled after hair that is modelled after said character.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Reports/Missing template translations reporting erroneous data

It seems like a very handy feature (as handy as the entire reports page), and oddly enough, it seems to report the same thing for all languages (34 templates), and according to the quick look I did, none of them report missing translations?
I don't know who would be able to fix this, if it's even broken to begin with, maybe Darkid?
Do note that I didn't touch template translating very much in my time here, I looked up the line numbers using Notepad++. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

For the first result it looks like fr is not declared in the {{Translation switching| line which probably leads to it showing up in that report. I'm going to guess it's the same for all the other ones. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I can take a look, thanks for the ping. Darkid « TalkContribs » 03:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Damn, that was as quick as Dustbowl backcap, I sort of expected the "declare thing", but I doubt each of the members would forget to put it in, if that's the issue.
I would also expect hundreds of entries with varying results for every lang, not 34. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, looks like I might've screwed up when I changed the regex on Feb 1st (or at least, page history shows a major diff there). Fixing that now, should be corrected tomorrow. Darkid « TalkContribs » 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
+622,418 bytes coming through, seems about right! Looks like it's working again, thanks Darkid. Luno 🪐🌕 Talk / Contributions / Team 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

A technical request for "Used by" template

"Localized versions of this template are not necessary." Well, they actually are needed, due to inflection of words in some languages. For Polish, "{{Used by|all}}" and "{{Used by|Soldier|etc.}}" sound fine, but "{{Used by|all-except|" needs translation switching, as it sounds very bad when names of classes are not inflected. I don't know about other languages, but some may require it too. For Polish, here's how it should look to be grammatically correct (only for "{{Used by|all-except|"):

Scout = Skauta
Soldier = Żołnierza
Pyro = Pyro
Demoman = Demomana
Heavy = Grubego
Enginner = Inżyniera
Medic = Medyka
Sniper = Snajpera
Spy = Szpiega

User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

These requests should really be on the template's talk page instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I've moved it there. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Where can I interact with the community?

Is there a discord or something to interact with the community? Thank You.

QS Quark (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

You can join the IRC if you want. There is no Discord (and we also won't make one).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)