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Language forwards

I've been noticing a number of redirects to Romanian pages recently; specifically Ospitalitatea Sudica (forwards to Southern Hospitality/ro), Casca de Miner (forwards to Mining Light/ro), Craniul Cadavrului (forwards to Cadaver's Cranium/ro). What's the policy on this? I can see a bunch of problems appearing if we get an item called "The Stranger" (which would conflict with L'Etranger), or if a number of languages share the same name for an item ("Hatte" is Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish for "Hats"), which would require disambiguation pages, forwarding to each individual language page. The problem I'm seeing with this solution is a bunch of unmaintained and orphaned pages, leaving the Wiki in disrepair. ~ lhavelund (talkcontrib) 09:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm talking as Romanian Speaker. In Romanian these situations are not likly to happen. I can't be blamed for other languages similarities. And regarded as redirects, i saw others before started doing mine. -- Nightbox (t s) 09:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I understand that from our discussion in IRC, which is why I ask a standardised policy on the issue, so other translators know how to act. ~ lhavelund (talkcontrib) 09:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with them as long as they are categorized properly (just made {{R lang}}) so they can be looked after easier. If, to take your example, Hatte is made as a redirect for the Danish Hats page first, then the other pages should just do Hatte which is what everyone has been doing so far. seb26 [talk] 09:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
The problem I see with this "solution" is that, say [[Hatte]] is made to forward to [[Hats/da]], and [[Flammekaster]] forwards to [[Flame thrower/sv]]. Then we have a serious consistency issue, which I think would be damaging to the integrity of the Wiki, and to the quality of it overall. ~ lhavelund (talkcontrib) 09:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Could you try and explain the problem better because I'm not seeing it. seb26 [talk] 09:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
OK. The terms for "Hats" in sv/no/da is "Hatte". The term for "Flamethrower" is "Flammekaster" in all three languages as well. Another case is with "Signalpistol", which, as far as I'm informed, means "Flare Gun" in all three languages too. [[Hatte]] forwards to [[Hats/da]], [[Flammekaster]] to [[Flamethrower/sv]], and [[Signalpistol]] forwards to [[Flare Gun/no]].
This creates serious consistency issues for the user. "If I put in 'Flamethrower' is it going to take me to a Norwegian, Danish, or Swedish article?"—I therefore suggest that we abolish the use of {{R lang}}, and only use $ENGLISHNAME/$lang for all of our pages, to avoid such confusion. ~ lhavelund (talkcontrib) 12:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Lhavelund. If languages share terms, then no language should take precedence over another - especially not if it's only because they created the page first. The only language that should take any sort of precedence is English, and even then only because that is the native language of the game. The simplest and fairest way is to just leave it as "English/lang". There would be a hell of a lot of maintenance if this did come to pass. The number of double redirects would likely increase, with editors linking to the localized titles rather than the proper "English/lang" pages. Also all conflicts would need to have a disambiguation page created which would need to be maintained. Actually, how would that work? Would the disambiguation page be in English? It would have to be since it would necessarily be linking to several languages at once. If the page is in English, it almost seems to defeat the purpose, doesn't it? It seems like more trouble than it's worth if you ask me... -- Alex2539 -- 12:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Google Translator

If you discover pages that have clearly been translated through Google Translator, please report them here. Be sure that the page has actually been translated this way (other signs include broken formatting, etc) and is not just lacking in grammar and punctuality. seb26 [talk] 08:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have a script automatically translate the original english article through Google Translate and check the similarities? Layzergun 13:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I think I saw some articles in the Dutch section of the wiki... I'm translating them again if I find them. Goudvis 16:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of Google Translator - Shotgun/pl. --Parseus ( | talk) 21:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The Swedish wiki...

...has a lot of grammar/spelling problems. For instance, "dom" is used instead of "de" and "dem". Some pages, such as Heavy's, seem to be machine translated :(

I will attempt to fix this.--Alex IDV 13:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

More active spanish translators?

Half the pages are either google translated or just the english page with the trans-spanish tag. I don't see many spanish translators in here.

That's because they are lazy muffins... there are spanish translators that really translate, for example, me :3 --Healing Patofan Pew pew! 13:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Or me... I translated all the pages I could to spanish danimart 09:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

A Chicken in every pot and a.... {{Languages}} on every update page?

That's the question I have, but yet, should every page have one? Newb editor->>>Vulturas 15:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No, its kinda included in the sidebar. -- Nightbox (t s) 17:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
It was a question for the higher ups :p They know 100% what to do here, but your answer is good, I will wait to see what they say tooVulturas 20:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
He pretty much answered the question. Is it not that noticeable in the sidebar, or are people still looking towards the bottom for the languages bar? seb26 [talk] 20:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I thought it could ease translator's work :-/ you know, it could be noticed easier if a certain useful page in EN isn't in the X language if it has that language bar

PS: Edit, forgot to add the signature Vulturas 12:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

We still use the languages template on some pages, it's really up to personal preference now. We moved the links to the sidebar so navigation could be provided automatically and have the links appear on some pages where it wasn't possible with the template (e.g. the edit page view). But really it doesn't matter if a page uses both. seb26 [talk] 20:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)