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Extension of the Mod notability section to the broader Community content notability concept

See User:Mikado282/Sandbox/Community content notability guidelines

Community content has been a foundation of the Team Fortress franchise. The Team Fortress concept was initially created as a community mod to Quake. Team Fortress 2 was developed with an intention to foster the operation of Community servers and the Community development of mods and maps, groups and event. Presently about a third of Team Fortress 2 participation is on Community servers. The majority of new content for Team Fortress 2 is Community developed. If this wiki is to be most useful and relevant, it should continue to give some service to Community content.

OK, the elephant in the room; what do I, a relative non-participant in Community events or servers have to contribute to the subject of Community content? Please provide the balance of your perspectives to my suggestions where I may be seen as overly biased to including Potato events and maps (there, it’s said). On the other hand, IIUC, most of the new Community content pages come from the Potato events, and at this time, participation on Valve MvM and Potato MvM maps are roughly at the same level.

At present, there is compliant of quality, incompleteness, and style deviation of a certain range of Community content pages. But really, the answer to those issues is no different than for the same problems of quality, incompleteness, and style deviation in Valve content pages when they happen; edit it. The real question is whether each Community content page (new or legacy, finished or stub, opus or shlock), like each Valve-content page, actually belongs as a unique page on the wiki main space, and that, IMO, is the question of notability.

My observation is that the existing "Mod notability" section has much of the wording appropriate to extend to Custom maps, and potentially to Community events. I have started a sandbox for such an extension here. The links to Community content pages and categories is intended to illustrate present coverage of Community content. The criteria I added are those that seem to also matter on notability, particularly for events.

Alternatively, instead of extending the Mod notability section to Community content notability, you may suggest additional sections specific to Community maps and Community pages.

I am not set on any particular criteria, but some expansion seems called for if we are to look at the broader Community content.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 22:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Should Community notability take into account the relative popularity of the official content the Community is expanding. Is it more notable when a mod draws thousands to a less popular game mode than than a mod that draws the same thousands to a very popular game mode.

I am not saying this isn't a sticky wicket.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 12:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I added suggested replacement Custom content tags to the Policy talk page. I may take some time to make the banners, or you may.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

1.Since some community contents with low notability could be more famous in the future, should we move them to a user sub page like what we did for Creators.tf?
2.For the tags, most community content may never be released officially, while they are "released" on some servers or mods, so Dereko would prefer "unofficially released Community content".
3.For notability discussion in the future, I believe we need an independent discussion page which would make the discssions gather together and make it easy to refer to, and even if the community content page is deleted, the results of the discussion can be publicly preserved.

User Dereko Name.png 05:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)