User talk:Wealthy Diamond

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-- WelcomeBOT (talk) 07:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Mashed Mediocrity audio

I see the name contains "cbt", remember to keep it SFW. If it's NSFW it will be removed.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, some of the mission audio contains some inappropriate content. Do I have to remove them all?
Wealthy Diamond (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Could you link the files?
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
How?
Wealthy Diamond (talk) 09:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
[[Media:filename]], e.g. [[Media:Spy uncloak feigndeath.wav]]
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
cbt_auegh.mp3, cbt_battlefield.mp3, Cbt game.mp3, cbt_legocity.mp3 Cbt wave8 1.mp3, Cbt wave8 2.mp3, Cbt wave8 3.mp3, Cbt pvz.mp3
Wealthy Diamond (talk) 09:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, most issues might be with copyright. Although, Media:cbt wave8 2.mp3 is probably NSFW. I'll have to let staff decide for the others
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I will remove it as soon as possible if it's unacceptable.
Wealthy Diamond (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey folks, couple of thoughts about copyright first, then I'll touch on appropriate content:
With first-party content, we have both a fair-use argument seeing as we are a non-commercial entity whose purpose is to document Team Fortress 2, as well as a blessing from Valve themselves – seeing as they're paying our bills.
With third-party content, there are a greater amount of copyright risks with issues such as:
  • Asserting the true ownership of content: Is it original content from a community member? or is it a remix of other community content? other game content?
  • Properly understanding and adhering to the original licensing of that content
  • Whether we have a fair-use argument for the inclusion of copyrighted content. I.e. is it materially relevant to Team Fortress 2 itself, and are we doing no harm by hosting it?
Throughout the history of the Wiki (going on more than a decade now! holy smokes I'm getting old), we've always acted in good faith and been careful to respect copyright and make fair use of content when its appropriate. In fact I'm quite proud to say that, as far as I am aware, we've never received any reports of copyright abuse or DMCA notices. Regardless, it is an ever-present risk, and thus requires careful consideration about whether it makes sense for us to host this such content.
Looping back in that question of inappropriate content, that same sentiment applies. The general age rating of the game is "mature", noting the inclusion of cartoony violence and mild language throughout. We'd need good reason to host any content that ventures beyond the general maturity levels of the game itself, especially in the "official" section of the site.
Listening to the clips above, I think they fall under that "need a good reason" point. If these clips are materially relevant to our documentation of the Mashed Mediocrity event, I'd let the language slide. But if they've just been uploaded so we have an archive of third-party content? I'm afraid that's not what the Wiki is for.
I don't know enough about this event and TF2 nowadays to weigh in on these questions myself, but I do hope this helps guide further discussions. I'm entirely trusting of this community, so I'm sure we'll come to the right decision :)
Thanks all! -RJ 16:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)