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Community Mann Manor strategy
Mannmanor cp 01.png
Basic information
Map type Control Point
File name: cp_manor_event
Developer(s): Valve
Tim "YM" Johnson
Alex "Rexy" Kreeger
Map Info
Environment: Halloween
Setting: Nighttime, overcast
Hazards: Pumpkin bombs,
Horseless Headless Horsemann,
Pit
Pyrovision: Yes
Map Items
Healthico.png Health Kits: Smallhealth.png ×6   •   Mediumhealth.png ×9   •   Largehealth.png ×1
Ammoico.png Ammo Boxes: Smallammo.png ×4   •   Mediumammo.png ×6   •   Largeammo.png ×2
TF2 crosshair.png Special: Gargoyle Ghost.png   •   Pumpkin.png
Map Photos
Menu photos cp manor event.png
Map Stamp
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This article is about Community Mann Manor strategy.

General Map Strategy

This Halloween map features pumpkin bombs, Halloween pumpkins, and the Soul Gargoyle; see Community Halloween maps strategy.

General Horseless Headless Horsemann Strategy

  • The Horsemann can traverse the entire map except for spawn rooms and a few ledges, such as a rooftop between points A and B which Scouts, Soldiers and Demomen can access. If you are IT, going up to these ledges will cause the Horsemann to lose interest in you and chase someone else.
  • When you are IT and the spots above aren't nearby, look for enemies to either run around or hit with your melee weapon (the latter will pass the IT status to them). Doing so gives you a better chance of surviving being IT.
  • Wearing a Saxton Hale Mask or Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head will prevent you from getting stunned by the Horsemann's taunt.
  • The Horsemann runs at Scout speed, so do not attempt to outrun him unless you are a Demoman and have a shield with you.
  • A strategy for the player designated IT is to act as bait for the Horsemann, while all other players inflict as much damage as they can.
  • The Horsemann's target can trap him by standing on the ledge behind the wall of the shack on the rock outcrop. Standing there while you are IT makes the Horsemann attack the wall of the shack and ignore all other players for the duration that you are IT, including those attacking him with melee weapons.
  • Another effective spot for trapping the Horsemann is just in front of BLU's spawn in the shelf-filled building; by crouch-jumping onto the barrel and then again onto the middle shelves one can stand on top and the Horsemann will run about below, trying to attack the player. While upon the shelves the player and other teammates can safely attack the Horsemann until he dies or switches targets.
  • The control points stay active while the Horseless Headless Horsemann is out. It is a good strategy to use this time to take control of the point while the enemy is distracted.
    • If you are IT and are near the currently contested point, you can try to lead the Horsemann to enemies trying to cap the point.
    • On RED, while defending the last point, stay close to the spawn and wait until someone on your team is IT. The Horsemann will spend a lot of time chasing the BLU team, defending the point for you.
  • Use the gap around the final control point as a buffer. If the Horsemann gets too close, it is possible to simply jump the gap while he will be forced to maneuver around the crack in the floor in order to reach you.
  • While the Horsemann can chase IT onto the roof of B, he cannot chase players onto the roofs of the buildings near it. Therefore, it is still possible to deal damage without the risk of being killed.
  • The Horsemann cannot jump, but he will walk off of ledges and fall down to reach those marked as IT.

Class-specific Horseless Headless Horsemann Strategy

See also: Horseless Headless Horsemann match-ups
Class Strategy
Scout.png
Scout
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Horseless Headless Horsemann
Pictogram info.png Playing as Scout allows you to evade the Horsemann's attacks more easily than other classes with your jumping and running abilities.

Pictogram info.png Hit-and-run tactics are a necessity when attacking Horseless Headless Horsemann.

Pictogram plus.png Bonk! Atomic Punch will allow you to survive the Horsemann's melee attack. Just stay at a distance so as to not get killed while consuming it.

Pictogram plus.png  The Winger can be used for extra damage. The frequent reloading can be negated by staying at a distance.

Pictogram plus.png  The Force-A-Nature, while it may not be used for direct combat, also makes for a mobility weapon if you are good with force jumps.

Pictogram plus.png  The Atomizer and Soda Popper are an upgrade in terms of evasion. You're not likely to engage in melee combat with the Horsemann anyway, so it's downsides are negligible. Watch out for your health if you triple jump constantly.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes:, Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol, Flying Guillotine Crit-a-Cola, Mad Milk, Sandman, Candy Cane, Boston Basher / Three-Rune Blade, Sun-on-a-Stick, Fan O'War and Wrap Assassin.

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Soldier
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png  Rocket jumping is a viable method of retreating if the Horsemann is chasing you. Jumping from the different heights around Control Point B will force the Horsemann to take long routes, and he may give up chasing you.

Pictogram plus.png  A Kritzkrieg ÜberCharge will allow a skilled Soldier to make short work of the Horsemann, as a pack of critical rockets and Shotgun shells will take a large chunk of its health away. This can be combined with rocket jumping to stay clear of the Horsemann's melee attack.

Pictogram plus.png  The Direct Hit is probably the Soldier's best primary weapon to use against the Horsemann. The projectiles are fast and do high damage, and the Horsemann is large enough for you not to worry too much about missing it.

Pictogram plus.png  The Shotgun can be effective against the Horsemann as base damage remains the same when attacking him. This will allow you to do more damage from a longer range than normal.

Pictogram plus.png  While the Cow Mangler 5000 might not deal much damage, it is good as an escape weapon due to the extra ammo loaded and infinite ammo carried. You can preform better escapes from the Horsemann, especially with the Gunboats equipped for survivability.

Pictogram plus.png  The Disciplinary Action can help classes escape from the Horsemann, especially Heavies and other Soldiers.

Pictogram minus.png Charging the Horsemann with the Equalizer at very low health will only be effective if the enemy team is not around and the Horsemann is very distracted, as your crits will deal around 300 damage. Otherwise, it's a risky strategy.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Black Box, Buff Banner, Battalion's Backup, Concheror, Reserve Shooter and Half-Zatoichi.

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Pyro
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png Because the Horsemann does not suffer afterburn damage, using the Pyro against the Horsemann is inadvisable. In addition, the Pyro's short range of effectiveness and the Horsemann's resistance to Flamethrowers makes attacking head-on a very deadly prospect.

Pictogram plus.png The Backburner can be moderately effective if the Horsemann is distracted.

Pictogram plus.png Using the Phlogistinator's Mmmph is useful as well, since the crits will inflict a great deal of damage to the Horsemann.

Pictogram plus.png The Shotgun can be effective against the Horsemann as base damage remains the same when attacking him. This will allow you to do more damage from a longer range than normal.

Pictogram minus.png Airblasts will not work on the Horsemann as he cannot be knocked back.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Flare Gun, Detonator, Scorch Shot, Manmelter, Reserve Shooter, Axtinguisher / Postal Pummeler, Powerjack and Sharpened Volcano Fragment.

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Demoman
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png You can try to retreat by charging with the Chargin' Targe or Splendid Screen in a single direction across open ground.

Pictogram plus.png Direct hits with the Grenade Launcher or Loch-n-Load will deal large amounts of damage to the Horsemann, so it is advisable to lead your shots slightly to ensure they connect. This strategy is especially effective with a Kritzkrieg ÜberCharge.

Pictogram plus.png Stickybomb traps are very effective against the Horsemann, as he will not try to avoid them; it just requires having the IT player lure the Horsemann onto the trap. This works even better with the Scottish Resistance, since it has 6 extra bombs and a faster fire rate at the cost of a slower arming time. Plan your traps well.

Pictogram plus.png  Convincing a Medic to use a Kritzkrieg charge on you to lay sticky bombs can deal huge damage in a single hit. A cluster of critical stickybombs will take a huge chunk of its health away and can kill it very quickly.

Pictogram minus.png Playing as a Demoknight is risky as the Horsemann attacks if he feels something is blocking his movement, and a player will be made IT if they are closest when the Horsemann changes target.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Eyelander / Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker / Nessie's Nine Iron, Persian Persuader, Claidheamh Mòr, and Half-Zatoichi.

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Heavy
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png The Heavy is one of the best classes to go head-on against the Horsemann. Despite his resistance to Minigun bullets, any Minigun will shred the boss in a matter of seconds at short range, even without crits.

Pictogram info.png The Heavy is slow, thus vulnerable, if he does not have a Medic pocketing him ready to pull an Über if the Horsemann picks either of them as his next target. The G.R.U and the Buffalo Steak Sandvich give some time to prepare for escapes, especially if he is still firing if he is marked as IT.

Pictogram plus.png  A Heavy under the effects of a Kritzkrieg can shred the boss in mere seconds, and since the Horsemann targets those who are closest to him, and critical hits have no damage falloff, this can be done quite safely.

Pictogram plus.png  The Tomislav has good use for hit and run strategies, due to its faster spin-up time. Just remember that the fire rate is lower than the other Miniguns.

Pictogram minus.png The Shotgun should rarely be used, as the time between shots and damage spread mean you will always get more damage from your primary weapon. Nonetheless, if you have run out of ammunition for your primary weapon, remember that base damage remains constant while attacking the Horsemann, so you can use the Shotgun effectively from further ranges than normal.

Pictogram minus.png  The Brass Beast, even under a Kritzkrieg charge, is only recommended if the Horsemann is distracted and you are far away, since you are very slow while revving and moving with it, which gives the Horsemann and even the enemy team a good reason to attack you.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Natascha, Buffalo Steak Sandvich, Killing Gloves of Boxing, Fists of Steel, Warrior's Spirit, Eviction Notice, and Holiday Punch.

Engineer.png
Engineer
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png Since the Horsemann is not affected by knock back, the player should never rely on his Sentry Gun to keep the monster away.

Pictogram info.png The Horsemann will attack anything he walks into - this includes players and buildings. He generally won't pay attention to them unless the player who is IT is alongside a building.

Pictogram plus.png Sentry Guns will target the Horsemann even when he is outside their normal range.

Pictogram plus.png Because Sentry Guns never deal critical hits (except mini-crits, which do not affect the Horsemann), your Sentry Gun can be an effective way to deal damage to the Horsemann without risking being marked as IT. Use the Wrangler for maximum damage.

Pictogram plus.png The Shotgun and Pistol can both be effective against the Horsemann as their base damage remains the same when attacking it. This will allow you to do more damage from a longer range than normal.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Widowmaker and Southern Hospitality.

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Medic
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png If you do not have an ÜberCharge ready, it is best advised to stay away and build one up, as the Horsemann attacks in order of whoever is closest.

Pictogram info.png Most of the Medic's weapons are relatively ineffective, so the Medic should be reserved to a support role. Use your ÜberCharge on teammates so they can attack the Horsemann.

Pictogram plus.png  If you are really aggressive against the Horsemann, then the Vita-Saw can allow you to deploy ÜberCharges more quickly. The health penalty is negligible since the Horsemann's axe is an instant kill anyway.

Pictogram minus.png It is risky to use the Quick-Fix or the Kritzkrieg against the Horsemann, as The Horsemann's melee attack takes 80% of the target's base (not current) health except against Übered players and Dead Ringer Spies. However, at a distance, the Kritzkrieg charge is effective at dispatching the Horsemann.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Blutsauger and Ubersaw.

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Sniper
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png The basic Sniper Rifle has medium effectiveness against the Horsemann, as headshots do not deal extra damage. However, charging shots is still worthwhile as the damage will properly scale against the Horsemann. The Machina will deal slightly more damage in this regard.

Pictogram plus.png The Sydney Sleeper's faster charge rate makes it more useful than the standard Sniper Rifle, since the Sniper Rifle can not score headshots on the Horsemann.

Pictogram plus.png Additionally, the Huntsman is the only Sniper weapon that can cause critical hits upon headshotting the Horsemann.

Pictogram plus.png  The SMG is viable as a last resort weapon if the Horsemann is actively chasing you. You'll probably use up the three clips it has by the time he kills you anyway.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Bazaar Bargain, Cleaner's Carbine, Jarate, Tribalman's Shiv and Bushwacka.

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Spy
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Horseless Headless Horsemann

Pictogram info.png The Dead Ringer's feign death ability will allow you to survive one hit; however, the Horsemann will continue to follow you even when cloaked.

Pictogram plus.png The Revolver and the Enforcer are the most viable weapons to use, although they should only be used against the Horsemann if he is focused on another player.

Pictogram minus.png The Spy is rather ineffective against the Horsemann as a Backstab only does normal knife damage, rendering its primary function useless.

Pictogram minus.png The following weapons may be less effective against the Horsemann, due to his immunity to fire, stun, bleeding, mini-crits, on-hit and on-kill attributes: Ambassador, L'Etranger, Your Eternal Reward / Wanga Prick, Conniver's Kunai and Big Earner.