Talk:Badlands (Capture the Flag)

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RedFire (talkcontribs)

The image being used for the recreation, I believe is being used without the creators permission. However, I do not know who made the remake.

MrPrisen (talkcontribs)

None of these images are recreation, they are all taken from the portfolio of a ex-Valve developer Stéphane Gaudette. A link to his portfolio you can see in the notes

RedFire (talkcontribs)

You’re misunderstanding. There WAS an image in the gallery that was a remake. However, I ended up removing it.

Mikado282 (talkcontribs)

As I understand this, Valve owns the IP. RedFire, please explain further how the image creator can arguably claim license in this. I looks to me that Value IP was used to make the image.

In your belief, do you know who the creator is? Do you know whether they have actually claimed license of the image you removed?

RedFire (talkcontribs)

Simple, it's that person's work, and the image itself being taken from a YouTube video by GermanPeter, titled "TF2's Beta Content Part 1: Gameplay (What TF2 Could have been)". The image is a screencap of this video, cropping out where the image had came from. In fact, the image that was put there still has remnants of being taken directly from the video. The image came from G-Gnome505, however, I am not sure who the actual creator of that was. It's possible it was made by G-Gnome505, and I'll possibly ask him about this later, as I am able to message him on Discord.

Here's a direct link to the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFXjJCMCTnA&list=PLhdfQQ4ZlxtpoFdI6LpJxWogs-Dxig4dF&index=3&ab_channel=GermanPeter The timestamp of where the image is shown is 14:34.

RedFire (talk) 09:15, 16 December 2020 (EST)

Mikado282 (talkcontribs)

A TF2 Community map is the mapper's work, but it is still Valve IP and images must be licensed on this wiki as such.

The Youtube video comprises mostly captures of Valve games and other Valve IP content. Under Wikipedia Policy, captures of copyrighted games are non-free with respect to Wikipedia and may be used on Wikipedia only under the restrictions of fair use. The matter is different in the context of this wiki in that Valve content is free within this wiki with correct license labeling.

The image in question appears to be a screen shot of content comprised of Valve IP (whether the screen image was rendered with Valve tools or some third party application).

It is this wiki's policy that all TF2 screenshots be licensed as such "regardless of who took them." This applies equally to renderings of Valve IP that was developed by Valve but not released into the game (R&D IP is still IP). Even if it is argued that the image is not a screen shot of a game per se, it is non-the-less a rendering of Valve content extracted "from the game content files" and should be licensed per {{ExtractTF2}}

One could argue that the image in question it a screen shot of a video, even though the video is a screen shot of Valve IP. But I don't see layering of screenshots as releasing Valve's rights to their content in this case.

If it is correctly licensed per {{ExtractTF2}}, then is is free to use in this wiki. If it is not correctly licensed per {{ExtractTF2}}, provide your argument for changing the license per the wiki policies.

Voelz (talkcontribs)

"Too little information" The claim has validity to it but there have been other pages containing little information as well. Example https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Camera "Does not follow guidelines" The claim is vague and does not specify which guidelines were broken. "Pictures are from community recreations and don't even look like TF2" The claim is incorrect and opinionated. The images were taken from a former Valve employee who had uploaded them publicly (see citation 2). The claim stating that it "does not look like TF2" is not fact. The images happen to be taken from a time of development where changes were happening to both the art style and gameplay.

GrampaSwood (talkcontribs)

Copy how other map pages look and then it'll get taken away. It doesn't look like TF2 at all (Graphics look way different and the HUD looks like half-life, so not really an opinion). When I put it on the page it looked like garbage and it had like 3 sentences.
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Voelz (talkcontribs)

I don't understand how looking like other maps pages is a violation of the guidelines. If you could give me a link and quote that would be nice. Unless i misunderstood you and you meant to refer to something else. The build showcased in the screenshots is from 2006. That's why it looks different. I don't care how different it looks, the game was being worked on in that time frame. I'll add a forth citation that also states/suggests that it was from an early period of tf2. In case the one valve employee wasn't enough, i've got word from another one. Also graphics looking different does not necessarily imply that it does not look like tf2. I'm not saying it does or doesn't.

Also do please refer to the citations that are included before saying i've uploaded "community content" or that "it does not look like tf2" even though it is from a build of the game. If the citations are too hard to use or inconvenient/could be formatted better, (specify) then point that out instead please.

GrampaSwood (talkcontribs)

It DOESN'T look like other map pages, that's the problem. Take a look at some custom map pages and see what they're doing (Because there's usually little-to-no information for those, so they're always quite short). The game looks way different from anything that it would've reasonably looked like in TF2, because they only had 1 year left and having such a huge graphical change isn't standard in a game's development. It's very logical to assume it's a fanmade version if you say it has fan-made recreations in the article itself. Graphics looking different is definitely implying that it isn't TF2
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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