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| − | I'm new here, which will explain my question. What is the meaning of the two headings in the icon column, "backpack" and "kill"? Perhaps a text legend should be added with links to pages that have a longer explanation would be in order.
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| − | Should we have a "Details" or "Special" column that summarizes special attributes and non-weapon weapons (Wrangler, lunchbox items, backburner, etc.)? [[User:Strange Quirk|Strange Quirk]] 01:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Perhaps, but I don't think it'd fit horizontally on small screens D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{mod}} 01:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: The Icon column is for two things, the backpack icon, and the kill icon. There really isn't an explanation needed. As for an additional column, the details are all located on the weapon page, this page is merely for summarizing all the specific statistics of the weapon for comparison and reference. A "details" section may make it look a bit bloated. --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="color:#FF6600;text-decoration:underline;font-weight:bold;"><tt><big>Firestorm</big></tt></span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 18:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: I've changed the Icon column so it's a bit more specific. Thoughts? --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="color:#FF6600;text-decoration:underline;font-weight:bold;"><tt><big>Firestorm</big></tt></span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 18:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Actually, before the move we were considering removing the weapon damage columns so that changed values only had to be kept updated on the individual weapon pages themselves, with this page acting more as a sort of hub. This would also free up some space for a details section which could describe the weapon attributes in brief. Smash is okay with it last I checked, anyone against this? --[[User:Wilsonator|Wilsonator]] 19:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: I prefer having the damage column here. I think a details section is unnecessary, as once you know the details of a weapon, you won't forget it, but you will forget the damage often. I like being able to compare the point-blank damage of the FaN and Scattergun (for example) and notice that a crit FaN will NOT kill a Soldier in one hit, where that info would normally be buried and not noticed as easily in the individual weapon page --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="color:#FF6600;text-decoration:underline;font-weight:bold;"><tt><big>Firestorm</big></tt></span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Damage Per Second? ==
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| − | Should we have a column for DPS? If people think the table would be too wide, should we include it in the weapon pages? Its useful information, especially when comparing weapons. If it were up to me, I would have a "short term DPS" which would only take into account time between shots, and "long term DPS" which would account for reload times, but that might be overkill. Still, how else are you going to easily find out which weapons can take out a building in the shortest time? [[User:Strange Quirk|Strange Quirk]] 02:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'll add it if I don't get a response. [[User:Strange Quirk|Strange Quirk]] 12:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I wouldn't say there's much need for a DPS column. While it's increasingly RPGish, TF2 is still an FPS and taking imperfect aim, the generally short and explosive nature of the combat, the fact you're usually fighting more than one opponent and the firing rates of all the weapons into account, getting a standardised DPS for every one would be difficult and probably not useful enough to make it worth it. When it comes to taking out buildings, it's more down to general knowledge and the strategy sections, just a short note in the minigun/flamethrower descriptions about how they're ideal for taking out SGs would do the same thing. That and it'd be hell updating it for every weapons page and on this page whenever valve patches the damage values for a weapon. --[[User:Wilsonator|Wilsonator]] 15:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Yeah, we've talked about this before. If the person really wants to know it, they can figure it out using base damage and attack interval. --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 15:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Eh, ok. Though if you want to take into account reload times its not completely trivial. I'm not going to press it further, but i think that at least for the miniguns and flamethrowers we should have DPS instead of bullet/particle damage, since those are pretty useless. [[User:Strange Quirk|Strange Quirk]] 19:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::: The DPS is listed on the individual weapon pages for those weapons --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 19:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::: Actually, they aren't. I couldn't find DPS or Damage per second on the pages. --[[User:Modulus365|Modulus365]] 10:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::: '''Modulus365''', You can find it on pages of weapons that ''can'' have DPS, e.g. [[Minigun]]. [[User:SlasHDriveR|<font color="786898" size="2px">flutterravie</font>]] [[User_talk:SlasHDriveR|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SlasHDriveR|Contribs]] 10:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::: I think DPS should be added to the weapon tabs on all melee weapons as they are able of having a stable DPS as well.
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| − | == Hidden attributes ==
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| − | Since it applies to multiple weapons, I'm putting it here. If you look on TF2Items/items_game.txt, you can see that certain hidden attributes present on some weapons are down right weird...
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| − | Huntsman: Primary max ammo bonus (0.5) (37=0.5)
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| − | As far as I know, you have less arrows than bullets with the sniper rifle.
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| − | Crit-a-cola: Lunch box adds mini-crits (2)
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| − | This is right under the visible "Mini-crit" attribute, so I don't know what that means.
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| − | Also, the Flare gun has an hidden attribute which is "Secondary max ammo penalty", which makes sense since it does have less ammo than the shotgun.
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| − | We're getting trolled hard by Valve D: -- [[User:Vi3trice|<font color=#771d6d>'''Vi3trice'''</font>]] {{adm}} <sub>([[User_talk:Vi3trice|talk]])</sub> 18:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : the 0.5 "bonus" turns 25 sniper bullets into 12 arrows. A lot of these are hidden attributes because they are understood by the weapon's nature, or in the case of the huntsman/flare gun are significantly different from their base weapon, so it's unnecessary to state such attributes, because players can assume that they would be different. -- [[User:Nineaxis|<span style="color:#FF8C00;font-weight:bold">Nineaxis</span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Nineaxis sig duck.png|12px]] 19:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Including adding nonsensical names to it? I mean, it says bonus. It's almost as weird as Robin hitting the server with sticks. -- [[User:Vi3trice|<font color=#771d6d>'''Vi3trice'''</font>]] {{adm}} <sub>([[User_talk:Vi3trice|talk]])</sub> 19:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Drop screens ==
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| − | I had an idea, that we could add the drop/craft screen image of each weapon. Like, for [http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/98280134-4.jpg example]. Good idea? Same for hats too. [[User:CWalkthroughs|CWalkthroughs]] 22:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :There's no point, the backpack icons for every weapon are already on the page. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]] ({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 22:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Ah yea, never thought of that. [[User:CWalkthroughs|CWalkthroughs]] 22:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == The Frying Pan ==
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| − | The soldier's new frying pan hasn't been added to the weapons page. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKaKyWwvct4] It is a reskin of the soldier's shovel, and was added in the Mannconomy update. --[[User:Stevoisiak|Stevoisiak]] 19:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Scout Bats ==
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| − | The Bat and Sandman are listed with damage range 24-46 here, and 32-39 in their individual pages. Which is correct? [[User:Hrusha|Hrusha]] 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Number of Vintage Weapons ==
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| − | I counted 35. I'm not sure if Valve is planning to implement a way for the new weapons/hats to become vintage, so if they say something suggesting they do obviously my factoid is subject to change. [[User:Geno|Geno]] 03:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :This is not true. According to the TF2 Team:
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| − | :::''Some items that used to be rare will become more common when they are available for purchase. We wanted to give players this option, but still recognize people who obtained those items “the old-fashioned way” in the past. So we decided to perform a one-time conversion of all the old items into "Vintage" versions, which will never be attainable in the future. This way, those older rare items remain rare (in fact, they're even rarer, because they're limited editions now).''
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| − | :Now based on this, no more Vintage Items will be added. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 21:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == True Primaries (Spy & Demoman) ==
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| − | Forget about Crafting for a moment. According to the Animation sets, the Spy does not have a Primary Weapon Animation. His Revolver is refereed to as "Secondary". This is also why the Ambassador is a Secondary Slot craftable. Primary Weapons are usually the most important/powerful weapon that class has. You may think differently but I would rather backstab a Medic then his Heavy than shoot them with a Gun with a chance of the Heavy seeing. On another note, the Spy holds his Knife in the class selection screen while the others (excluding the Medic) are wielding their Primary. Now for the Demoman, in the Animation Sets, the Stickybomb Launcher is refereed to as "Primary" and the Pipe Bomb Launcher is "Secondary". Also the Scottish Resistance and the Chargin' Targe replace the Stickybomb Launcher. On top of this, the Stickybomb Launcher can deal more damage at once than the Grenade Launcher. The most likely reason these weapons are not the first weapon in the Buckets is probably because these weapons are not practical standard weapons. They are more so Opportunity Weapons. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 21:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :That's lovely. We're not changing which are primary. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 21:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Good to know. I never expected you to. Just wanted to share what I have found. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 13:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::We already knew about that. To add to the confusion, just look at the disguise system. Take out your revolver, press Last Disguise and look at which weapon your disguise has. That's also why we're not switching it. -- [[User:Vi3trice|<font color=#771d6d>'''Vi3trice'''</font>]] {{adm}} <sub>([[User_talk:Vi3trice|talk]])</sub> 13:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Oktoberfest ==
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| − | It's not a taunt attack. Sure, it's unique, but it does no damage so it shouldn't be under Taunt Attacks. Yes or no? [[User:Lemon|Lemon]] 19:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Leave it. The Medigun doesn't kill people, but it's still a weapon. [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 19:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Build-ables ==
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| − | I think the 4 sentries and teleporter should be added. The only reason i say teleporter is because of telefraging. [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 22:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Labeling inconsistency ==
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| − | I noticed a slight discrepancy on the page when it comes to labeling the weapons, when compared to the labels on the individual class/weapon pages. The icons used for the weapons on this page are those found within the game, whereas the icons utilized on the class pages are those stylized 'angled' icons created by the community. Also, base weapons are listed as 'Standard' weapons on this page, while they are listed as 'Stock' weapons on the class/weapon pages. For the sake of consistency on the wiki, I believe one of each of the two sets should be phased out. (I'll leave the decision on which sets to keep up to more seasoned editors; I don't feel that this a decision a new editor should be making alone quite yet.) [[User:Disaster|Disaster]] 22:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Nice eye. While I feel not much can be done about the icons as there are so many versions (Template, backpack, class page, etc.), we can definitely phase out one of the two sets through simple replacing. Have to keep a sense of uniformity among pages! --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 08:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Weapon Level? ==
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| − | I recently began to notice that some weapons have a different "Level" than others, for example my Flare Gun reads "Level 5 Flare Gun" whereas my Holy Mackerel reads "Level 42 Fish." I have also noticed some players with different variations of levels; but to get to the point; how are levels determined or are they randomly assessed to the weapon as it is found or does the weapon "level" as it is used?This may not seem important to others, but out of curiosity; bare with me on this. --[[User:Ignisviscus|Ignisviscus]] 08:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :The [[Item levels]] article will surely satisfy your curiosity :) [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 08:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Table Labels ==
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| − | Is it possible to put the table headers at the bottom of the table too? (Damage, ammo carried etc.). Some of the tables are far too long such that you need to scroll all the way to the top of each one to see what each box is actually referring to. --[[File:User Firestorm Flame.png]] [[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 21:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It's what I did on [[Wind's Config]], and yes, I approve. Perhaps even every "class change", or every 3 class change, or something — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 22:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Well, if we incorporate Minip's changes(Which I like!), I propose that these are included as well. --[[File:User Firestorm Flame.png]] [[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 22:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == sticky bomb launchers and nade launchers ==
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| − | i thought the sticky bomb launcher/resisentence/jumper/targe was a primairy weapon, and not a secondary. and the nade launcher a secondary.
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| − | edit: i just think by myself. when you have to equip them, i am right. but in the fight its wiki right. what? what you think? [[User:Jem|Jem]] 21:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :The weapons page is organized based on Slot. Slot 1 is the weapon you equip when you press 1, same for slot 2, and slot 3 is always melee. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 07:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Jumper Weapons ==
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| − | {{Discussion header|top}}
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| − | The Jumper weapons have kill icons. Since they do not deal damage unless the game files are modified, they logically should not have kill icons as all that is happening is that they use the default kill icon for that slot weapon for that class (rocket and sticky launcher respectively). Should we cut the jumper weapon kill icons or not? [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 07:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :They shouldn't have killicons to begin with since...they do no damage. And since they cannot kill, they have no need of a kill icon. So I think I can speak for everyone when I say go ahead and remove it. --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 07:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Done. The only reason they have kill icons is use of the default icon for that slot weapon like I said previously. The two weapons are just a rocket launcher and sticky launcher with modified damage stats and an ammo increase. Don't know why melee weapons are different in this manner, it's weird. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 08:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSR4PMzvshc derp [[User:Zook|The Signature of the great Zook]] 00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Congratulations, you missed the logic behind <i>why</i> they should not have associated kill icons on this page. If you're forced to manipulate game files to generate those results, then they sure as hell cannot be witnessed through normal means in-game. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 00:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Modding happens. Derp. Expect the other missing killicons within this week. [[User:Zook|The Signature of the great Zook]] 00:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::So all you have to defend why they should stay is because people can manipulate the game files in order to obtain something that should not happen at all. The jumper weapons are just using the default kill icons for the associated class weapons for those slots. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 00:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::Information is information. That is the kill icon the weapon uses, therefore it is the kill icon that would be associated with it within an organized informational list or table. Now, go play with your Dalokohs Bar before I add the kill icon and you start crying again. [[User:Zook|The Signature of the great Zook]] 01:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::Information is information. Adding a killicon to a non-damage weapon '''misleads''' people into thinking it can kill. That is misinformation, not information. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 01:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::isn't it kind of confusing to the end-user that these items have kill icons or not? I mean, there are a bunch of unused kill icons, like the Ubersaw taunt kill icon, which you can get working with code. And since information is information, should we bother adding an icon that isn't used? Obviously not, since this table is the table for kill icons that the user would actually see. This site is basically a game guide for TF2, and trying to confuse readers just because something is written in the coding seems like a waste of time [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 01:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::Calm down, Zook. Regardless if its modded or not, in a normal game, it cannot be achieved. It cannot kill, therefor putting a killicon is useless. Same for Bonk and all the other weapons. No need to get into a fit, hun. --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 01:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::Wiki♥♥♥s can't take it when confronted with actual information, rather than just playing around trying to get OMG SUPER WIKI CAP. [[User:Zook|The Signature of the great Zook]] 01:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::::What are you talking about? This is about kill icons for the jumper weapons, not people's intentions for making input into this discussion [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 01:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::The kill icons are actual information, and they can't take the fact that someone else figured it out, and therefor are crying about it. [[User:Zook|The Signature of the great Zook]] 01:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | {{Discussion header|bottom}}
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| − | Don't feed the troll and you'll be alright guys. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 01:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == What came first? ==
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| − | The Jarate or the Razorback. These two slot 2 items were released at the same time, what should take higher precedence for their ordering: The fact that the Razorback was <i>announced</i> first or the fact that the Jarate is <i>obtainable</i> through achievements first? [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 00:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I was going by the announced time, since at the time the weapons could only be acquired via drop. Then again, your way makes sense as well. Hrm..--[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 00:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I'd go with whatever item is first via Achievements. This is the first item the player gets, it seems to be the logical order Valve wants it. Jarate was also announced long before the Sniper update, although it was probably a joke at the time. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 00:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::[[Jarate#Trivia|Yes, it was.]] --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 00:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == The sniper trivia ==
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| − | i think the Sniper's Skewer kill taunt trivia should be on either the huntsman's page or the skewer's page. -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 02:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | How do weapons level up? I have a level 10 huntsman and I saw another guy with a level 57. How does that work?DARREN 06:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : The level of weapons are basically meaningless as they have no impact on performance. Hopefully the [[Item levels]] article will clear things up for you. [[User:K-Mac]][[File:Tfccivilian_thumb.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:K-Mac|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/K-Mac|Contrib]])</small> 07:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Weapons: Box proposal ==
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| − | == Small question ==
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| − | Opinion, which looks better?
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| − | {| class="wikitable grid" width="100%"
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| − | ! class="header" width="5%" | Weapon Name
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| − | ! class="header" width="5%" | Kill Icon
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| − | ! class="header" width="10%" | Ammo<br/>Loaded
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| − | ! class="header" width="5%" | Ammo<br/>Carried
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| − | ! class="header" width="15%" | Damage Range
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| − | ! {{Icon weapon|weapon=Flamethrower|icon-size=100x100px}}<br/><small>Stock</small>
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| − | | '''[[Flamethrower]]'''
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| − | | align="center" | {{Icon killicon|weapon=Flamethrower}}
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| − | | '''Fire''':
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| − | :200
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| − | '''Air blasts''':
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| − | | N/A
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| − | | '''Base (Max)''':
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| − | :418.2 <small>/ sec.</small>
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| − | {{Info}}Secondary fire blasts [[compression blast|compressed air]] which knocks back enemies, redirects enemy projectiles, and extinguishes flames on teammates, using 20 ammo per blast. All reflected rockets/grenades/arrows will inflict [[Mini-Crit]] damage.
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| − | ===Primary===
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| − | ! {{Icon weapon|weapon=Flamethrower|icon-size=100x100px}}<br/><small>Stock</small> '''[[Flamethrower]]'''
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| − | | '''Fire''':
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| − | | '''Base (Max)''':
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| − | Suggested it should be moved here, the same question applies. It just doesn't feel right to have the weapon icon in an unlabeled section and the rest having a label. The first creates Weapon Name column. The other merges the two, creating a bit more room. I wanted your say. And since it affects '''all''' class pages, I wanted to get the majority vote. --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 07:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I've made these kill icons to contribute and replace current in-game kill icons (or lack of icons)
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| − | Comments/suggestions would be appreciated :) [[User:Bulletmagnet|Bulletmagnet]]
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| − | :Sorry, but we want to give users an overview how the Kill Icon looks in the game. It would be irritating to also have not-official, non-ingame icons in the list. [[User:Picard|Picard]] <sup>[[User talk:Picard|talk]]</sup> 17:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::You could however try to get these submitted to Valve. [[User:Stbeecher|Stbeecher]] 19:12, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Can we divide this list up by class instead of slot? ==
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| − | The more pertinent comparison is between a single class's weapons, not between the primaries and secondaries across classes. Anyone {{c|support}}? :o [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 17:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | {{c|support}} [[User:Picard|Picard]] <sup>[[User talk:Picard|talk]]</sup> 17:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | {{c|support}} Any way would work to me. But what would happen to pages that have links that redirect to the PDA section like the Engy PDA page? -- [[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]][[User:Swordz|<span style="color:#70B04A;font-size:13px;font-family:
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| − | 'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><u>Swordz</u></span>]]{{mod}}[[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]] <span style="font-size:10px">([[User talk:Swordz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Swordz|contribs]])</span> 17:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :We could just relink those sections to the relevant slot subsection of the class section of the page. [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 17:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | {{c|oppose}} The individual class pages already do this, see [[Scout#Weapons|Scout]]. What we need to do is write an actual article for this page and make is shorter, the images are way too large. [[User:MK|MK]] 09:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == New page for only melee weapons, etc.? ==
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| − | On weapon pages for the type you can click 'melee' and are redirected to this weapons page. I think there should also be weapons sub-pages containing only that specific class (primary, secondary and melee), and it would be a more obvious place for the descriptions to link to. Any thoughts on this? [[User:Mrshoe|Mrshoe]] 15:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Should weapons unlocked by achievements have their required number on their individual page?==
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| − | At the moment, each individual weapon page lists details about the weapons, but not how many achievements it takes to unlock them. Is it worth adding in, as at the moment you can only find out how many achievements are needed to unlock a weapon by looking at the individual class achievement pages.
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| − | So say, on the Sandmans individual page, we state that it can be unlocked by completing 16 Scout achievements, rather than having to go to the Scouts achievement list page and looking at the milestones.
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| − | Can someone do a count on this? How many unique weapons are in Team Fortress 2? And I dont mean promotional weapons that are just reskins. I mean the droppable ones with stats. Excluding the rocket and sticky jumpers of course. Does anybody know? I'm really curious on this one. --[[User:Stevoisiak|Stevoisiak]] 00:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | Now that each (or at least most) weapon has an update history of everytime it is modified through various patches, should the patch that it was included into the game (both stock and non-stock) also be listed along with any information not listed in the weapon's description (for example, the Razorback's speed penalty is only mentioned on the patch when it is taken out and the Sandman's original double jump penalty isn't mentioned until the 4th patch listed, which was 6 months after it came out.
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| − | The issue is rather small (since previous iterations are for the most part, not necessary), but I figure newer players may occasionally hear other players talk about previous weapons and it may be handy for a reference.
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| − | [[User:BASEBALLFURIES|BASEBALLFURIES]] 16:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Redirects to this page via Primary/Secondary/etc. ==
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| − | With the new arrangement and organization here on the Weapons page (sorting weapons by class, rather than one monstrous list for each slot), it turns out the Primary/Secondary/Melee/etc. pages, which before were redirects to the applicable aforementioned monster lists, now have nowhere specific to actually ''redirect to'' on this page.
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| − | What should be done about this? Should we change the redirects to generic ones (i.e. just dump the user off at the Weapons page?) Make each class's Primary/Secondary/Melee/PDA1&2 into unique subheaders? Introduce new pages for each loadout slot that kinda talks about the general use and has a brief list of applicable items for each class? A page about loadout slots with an abbreviated version of said info that they can redirect to?
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| − | I'm in favor of one of the latter two ideas (either giving each loadout slot its own page, or a page detailing slots in brief.) But I'm a little curious as to what you guys think, hence this discussion. (: [[User:Gerk|Gerk]] 01:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I noticed this too when trying to fix an weapon infobox. The only solution with the current page layout is a generic redirect to the weapons article. I don't think it's a big enough issue to warrant a new article or a section specifically on slots. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 01:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Okay, I've got it...kinda. If we're linking to a certain loadout slot in the context of a certain class we can link directly to the duplicately-named sections using underscores and numbers. This, however, does not apply to the first instance of each (i.e. The Scout's sections, or the "PDA Items" slot for the Engy.)
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| − | ::For example, if we're talking about the Shortstop and recommend using one of his many Secondary drink items with it, the word "Secondary" would link to Weapons#Secondary as before. Conversely, if we're talking about 'Secondary' on the Heavy page, we'd link to Weapons#Secondary'''_5'''. (And, no, for uniformity's sake we can't use Secondary_1 to link to the Scout; I tried. ;_; )
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| − | ::A little complex, I know (for a non-template affair, anyway), but this ''is'' a rudimentary solution of sorts to my initial quandary. [[User:Gerk|Gerk]] 02:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::The more elegant solution would be to use anchors to link to a specific class' slot weapons. I've already changed the infobox to just link to the weapons article, I guess I could implement this anchors method.... '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::::On second thoughts maybe not. Cases like the pain train, where the weapon is used by more then one class, makes my intended implementation impossible. I was hoping to take the used-by attribute to link to <nowiki>[[Weapons#{{{used-by}}}slot|slot]]</nowiki> when anchors are used, but because of those weapons this makes it much more difficult to pull off. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Oh, okay. I'm a little Wiki-illiterate so I was about to ask what exactly you meant by Anchors, since I thought anchors were like Page#Section or what have you, which was what my jury-rigged solution entailed. Right on. [[User:Gerk|Gerk]] 02:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Anchors are these invisible tags you stick on an article page so that nomatter how the page sections are renamed or moved around the link will be present. For example <nowiki>==Weapons {{Anchors|weapon|guns|weapons of mass destruction}} ==</nowiki> means you can link to that part of the page by using Article title#guns no matter what the section title is. Quite useful in some circumstances especially as you can stick the anchors anywhere, not just in section headers. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Can we go back to slot division instead of class? ==
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| − | There's now no page where you can see all the weapons of each slot grouped together at once, where as in a previous discussion, somsone pointed out that all classes already have all their weapons listed in this format on their own character pages, making this page redundant. I'd rather this go back to slot division, preferably with just the kill icons back and no full weapon images since they all have kill icons now. The page in its current form is too long, takes a while to load on slower computers, and is a pain to get to the section you want. {{c|support}} for going back, anyone?
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| − | [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] 03:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I agree with this 110%. I loved the old setup, and I know I'm not alone in this, as I recently took some heat from fellow translators for making the big push and changing the old page into the new format. If I wanted a class-specific breakdown of weapons in the past, I'd go to an individual class's page, in which they'd all be listed. Meanwhile, the weapons page served as a master list of sorts, organized by loadout slot. Pretty tidy, and I didn't see much of a reason to fix what wasn't broken...Had the vote to change it over been brought to my attention, or many other people's, I would have voiced this concern then, as well. So, {{c|support}}. [[User:Gerk|Gerk]] 09:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Electro-sappers==
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| − | The image redlinks. Anyone got any idea where the real image is? '''[[User Talk:Electromagnetic Hedgehog|Electromagnet]]''' 16:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Table Rearrangement==
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| − | Since this is for all weapons, I suppose this is the perfect place to ask before I do it. The tab showcasing all the weapons is "sandwiched" between other tabs and its shorter in terms of length. My idea is to just simply move the tab towards the bottom so it doesn't look like its placed there without any thought of organization (not even sure how to describe it). Anyway... what do you think? (I test tried to move them to the top, but because of my limited editing skills, I can't seem to get rid of that one extra space it always makes) [[User:Yeokso|Yeokso]] 11:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Adding damage type to weapon infoboxes (and maybe this page) ==
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| − | Right now a lot of classes have weaknesses or resistances to certain weapon types. Stuff like fire, explosion, bullet, etc. However, we don't have a good list on the Wiki on what type of weapon each weapon is. I am suggesting that right were we have the ammo information on the weapon infobox, that we add a new line "Damage Type: Whatever". [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 19:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Makes sense to me and would be helpful as well. {{n}} [[File:Duel_RED.png|link=User:EpicEric|20px|sub]] [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:
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| − | :{{c|Neutral}}. There already is that in the damage and function times table, but maybe it should be implemented in the infobox. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span> <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 00:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c}} In the function times table it only says "hitscan" or "projectile" or whatever. The damage vulnerabilities say "bullet damage" or "explosive damage" so there's some possible confusion that could happen [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 00:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Question as to the description of the pyro's killtaunt- Qi or ch'i? ==
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| − | It is spelled in the page as "ch'i", however, it is listed in wikipedia spelled "Qi". (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi). "ch'i is not even a secondary spelling, but a tertiary to "chi". I'm switching it for now; if someone feels this is a negative change then please correct me. [[User:Piogre|Piogre]] 04:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | Is the Saxxy going to be added to every class's section? [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 02:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I want to add them there, but it doesn't look like it. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 22:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | [[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 10:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I thought it might be smart to provide an explanation. Basically, you link to weapons with the word "weapons" in two brackets. You'd link to, say, melee weapons, and it'd take you to the Scout's melee weapons. This got awkward when you wanted people to know what the Equalizer was. #soldiermelee is the anchor, and you can use them to link directly to the Soldier's melee weapons. The words on the right side should be changed to fit the current grammatical structure, of course. Those are how they are on almost every current weapon article, though. Keep consistent!
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| − | Click edit to see the actual links. It's pretty simple when you take a sec and look at it! c: [[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 11:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | The weapon availability does not list "distributed" items, yet the Saxxy has that for its listed quality. Perhaps we should add that to the box? Granted, the Saxxy is a one off item as of right now, and we can't tell whether Valve will add more of those. It would explain the distributed text, though, to anyone interested. [[User:Anubis|Anubis]] 03:25, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | New players can automatically see that it's the same weapon only with a different "Skin".
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| − | [[User:Neox|Neox]] 05:49, 2 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | There's a bug where if you hold the secondary fire using a melee weapon, the animation quits playing when it reaches it's looping point. (If it doesn't work, you have to hold primary fire, then hold secondary fire, then quit holding primary fire.) Also, they used to stop the primary and secondary weapon animations until they disappeared for an unknown reason. Not sure if that's a bug.
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| − | Where would a nice place to put this be? [[User:Redo|Redo]] 23:36, 15 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Now that we have a decent bunch of weapons that don't drop but are craftable, it's not always easy to assume that "craft" also means "found in drops". Maybe we should consider adding the word "drop" on the weapons that can randomly be found in drops. I'd push even further and go for an asterisk on weapons that can't be crafted using a specific recipe, noting this fact somewhere. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 06:33, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | In the new update, the soldier's weapons don't use ammo, but they use charges, I'm not quite sure what to write in the "Ammo" slot. [[User:DrDoughnut|DrDoughnut]] 21:47, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Just put ''unlimited'' ammo like on the pages for the weapons themselves. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 03:31, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Weapons that used to do Mini-Crits ==
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| − | : Should we mention which weapons used to do ''Mini-Crits'' but now do ''Crits?''
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| − | : --[[User:ScoutKast|ScoutKast]] 21:30, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Isn't that in the update history already? '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 18:13, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | I notice they are for the most part angled the way Shugo does. However, his icon pack doesn't include a lot of the weapons featured here. Who is making the new ones and where can I view a high quality copy of them? Is there a pack to compliment Shugo's for my ingame backpack? I started to make the missing ones myself but it'd be much easier if I could just use preexisting ones rather than making my own. --[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 10:06, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : A small group of people are making new images in the spirit of Shugo's style. I'm not sure of the details of their project, but you could probably ask Smashman for more details, since he seems to be the one handling it. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 10:08, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: Thank you for the info. I'll contact him. --[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 19:45, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | For an article with a big icon on the front page, this page is rather brief. No intro text, it just jumps to the contents, and then lists all of the game's weapons. The fact that it also labels all of these weapons as stock, unlockable, craftable, promotional, and distributed, but only explains what all of this means '''at the bottom of the page''' is also a huge flaw. --[[User:Availn|availn]] 01:21, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Why are the shields and sticky bomb launchers refered to as Primary here and secondary everywhere else including the weapons' pages themselves?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 06:49, 9 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : In regards to this page, is because they are USED as Primary weapons. With regards to every other page, is because in-game, they are considered secondary. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 06:51, 9 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::In what context do you mean they are used as primary weapons?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 06:52, 9 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: In the loadout screen; http://tinyurl.com/44e5hvx. However, if you craft them, you get a secondary token. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 06:58, 9 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Oh right, okay then. I just thought that primary meant the weapon that the class has in their first weapon key, the one the class starts every match holding, and the seconmdary being the one for key 2 and so on. It just seemed strange having an article saying that weapon x was primary then clicking on its page which says it's secondary.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 07:05, 9 September 2011 (PDT)
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