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| − | T.E. Lawrence had nothing to do with bargains. I think the sniper primary is only known as that because bazaar conveys an Arabic sense. What's with the bargain quote?[[File:Painted_Vintage_Merryweather_7E7E7E.png|24px]][[User:Flamborsia|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Fyahweather'''</u></big></tt></font></span>]] 17:16, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Editing the item set boxes ==
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| − | The Berliner's Bucket Helm is missing from the medic set. How could you fix this?
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| − | [[User:Justin61295|Justin61295]] 16:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :None of the Australian Christmas sets actually recquire the hat to be worn. [[User:Cooper Kid|Cooper Kid]] 17:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Should most of this be split into 5 separate pack pages? ==
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| − | Item sets seems like a category, and each set (with its unique function and trivia and so forth) seems like it would make a fine short article.
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| − | Imagine someone looking in-game. They see a "Croc-o-style Set" weapon on a friend and go to TF2Wiki to find out about it. Will they find a page for it, or a bunch of search options including vague suggestions like "item sets" and "polycount pack?"
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| − | I suggest [[The Tank Buster]], [[The Special Delivery]], [[The Gas Jockey's Gear]], [[The Croco-o-style Kit]] and [[The Saharan Spy]] become articles. This page can then be reduced down, kinda like the generic hat or weapon pages. :)
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| − | [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 18:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : What we can do, is set up a redirect, such that a search for "Tank Buster" will link them to the specific section of this page. There really isn't enough information for each article to be worth creating --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 18:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think that in time if and or when they implement new item sets for every class and maybe double for each class there could be a page specific for the sniper's or heavy's item sets. - [[User:Meter1060|Meter1060]] 18:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == A question ==
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| − | Do we really need to put the effects of each weapon along with the pictures? I think it would look better if we just left those out, as it is rather incomplete at the moment. Just my two cents worth, I guess. [[User:Randomscripter|Randomscripter]] 21:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : My first idea was to give a nice summary but the page really got big... maybe remove the bonus would be nice and placing them in the pages like the comment from [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]]
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| − | [[User:Chacal|Chacal]] 02:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Bonus colors ==
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| − | Is there a way to set color bonus like the items (blue for good stuff, red for bad)?
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| − | : I attempted to however I don't know how to edit the information in the boxes.--[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 12:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Cost to craft all set hats ==
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| − | *2 weapons = 1 scrap
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| − | *3 scrap = 1 reclaimed
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| − | *3 reclaimed = 1 refined
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| − | *4 refined + weapon = set hat
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| − | *16 refined = all 4 set hats
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| − | *1 refined = 54 weapons
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| − | *16 refined = 864 weapons
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| − | Shouldn't this be mentioned?
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| − | [[User:Layzergun|Layzergun]] 23:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I'm gonna say no, not useful in any way. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 23:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Absolutely not. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 23:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I would say no. Also, there are '''5''' set hats. [[User:Lemon|Lemon]] 23:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Oops, forgot the fez. :P
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| − | *All 5 set hats = 1080 weapons.
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| − | Now that I think about it, most likely there are going to be more set hats, so that info is pretty much useless... It's like reporting how much metal it would take to craft all the hats/weapons.
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| − | [[User:Layzergun|Layzergun]] 11:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Could be used as trivia. - [[User:Meter1060|Meter1060]] 18:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I agree that is pretty good trivia.--[[User:Magnum Force-Enforcer|Magnum Force-Enforcer]] 14:10, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Bugs ==
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| − | Ever since I added the Bugs section, I've been wanting to test out what could potentially be a bug with the Tank Buster set but do not have the resources to test it myself. The set grants a sentry resistance, what I wanted to test was if the rockets from the Level 3 sentry are affected by said resistance. The reasoning why I believe this may be a bug is because Wrangling a Level 3 sentry and killing someone with the rockets will give a non-wrangler kill icon so it may carry over. Hell, the Wrangler itself might be bugged with the set bonus, so those are a few things that I think are worth testing out. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 20:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I think one of your bugs isn't really a bug. The demoman's set might purposely give 55% instead of 60% because of how the game calculates the resistances. If it works the way it did in Kingdom Hearts 2, then it'd calculate the largest bonus first, which would be the Targe's 50% fire resistance. Then, it would calculate the set bonus' 10% from the remaining 50%, resulting in 5% being added to the total resistances. The result is a correct, if unexpected, 55% resistance. If there's other stacking resistances, could somebody please check this? If there's no other stacking ones then I feel it should be removed until we can prove it's a bug. [[User:Terrankazuma|Terrankazuma]] 09:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :: You can check this by using the Rocket/Sticky Jumper with the Pain Train. Using the calculation system above, you should take 220% from bullet damage (making -120% bullet resistance). I can't test it myself because I don't have the items. [[User:Enigma314|Enigma314]] 02:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :It's calculated multiplicitavely in terms of damage taken; 50% * 90% = 45%. Also see [[Talk:Battalion's Backup#Stacks "normally"?|this similar discussion]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 03:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | Shouldn't the second statement read; "Snipers who have the entire Croc-O-Style Kit equipped can still die BY headshots", not; "Snipers who have the entire Croc-O-Style Kit equipped can still die to headshots."--[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 13:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Little trivia bit. ==
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| − | I've added a little trivia section at the end. What I put about the engineer may be not true in a later update, but for now it's safe to say, and a point worth making. <big> <font color = 330000> <font face = Impact> Smashbrother101 </font> 22:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)</font></big>
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| − | == Item Set Threads? ==
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| − | Seeing how most if not all of the item sets have threads made by the their creators, I was wondering if we could add links on the bottom of the item sets to the threads showing the progress made by the creators. [[User:Tacoworld501|This is a Signature]] 18:27, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == The Hibernating Bear damage reduction ==
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| − | I just have to ask. If a critical rocket is shot at the heavy with the hibernating bear set how much damage will be reduced from that rocket? Around around 13.5? If so what about a mini-crit rocket? [[User:Zelaroth|Zelaroth]] 18:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Croc-O-Style Kit Headshot 'Bug' ==
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| − | I'm not exactly sure that this is considered a bug, but more Trivia:
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| − | Snipers who have the entire Croc-O-Style Kit equipped can still die to headshots if they have around 1 health point. This is either a bug, or a misconception caused by the set bonus description.
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| − | It's kind of a herp derp because you're technically saying that you should be invincible to headshots. Theres a reason that you can survive one headshot, but you can't survive two. Any player could pick up on the fact that they LOSE HEALTH when headshotted. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Bigboomar|Bigboomar]]''' ([[User talk:Bigboomar|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Bigboomar|contribs]]) 23:04, 5 February 2001 (EST)</small>
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| − | :The description says "The wearer cannot be killed by headshots." This implies that "no matter how much damage is taken in any number of hits, if it's a headshot, the user will not die". Because this is apparently not true in 100% of cases like the description implies, it's either a bug (with the coding) or an error (with the description).
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| − | :Personally, I think it's a bug. HP is tracked as real numbers (things like the Degreaser's afterburn prove this), so if you have less than 1HP, you can't have your health reduced to 1HP (because you're already below that), so it's reduced to 0. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 15:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::I'm sure anyone with a tinge of common sense will muster that you aren't invincible to damage so long as it is a headshot. It's no ubercharge. That's why I am saying It is not so much a bug, but more trivia that Valve incorrectly described it.
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| − | == Because I foresee the whole Targe + Item Set thing coming up again... ==
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| − | Don't question why, especially since it says so on the loadout screen, but a few of us went off and got mathematical proof of the 55% fire damage reduction. Tournament rulesets were on, which meant damage spread was off.
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| − | Because of the way afterburn deals damage, testing with it gets some funky numbers (from 102 to 55 to 34-ish damage) when going from Vanilla -> Targe only -> Targe + Set. Good thing the Flare Gun's projectile counts as fire damage.
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| − | The Flare Gun's projectile deals a set 30 damage. It also deals 90 damage on a long-range crit. So...
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| − | Vanilla Demoman -> 90 damage (100%).
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| − | Chargin' Targe -> 45 damage (50%).
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| − | Chargin' Targe + Item Set -> 41 damage. (~55%, and certainly not 60%). There.
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| − | Fine, fine, question me why. There was a fun hour of dispute over it, so that's why we went off and did this.
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| − | -- [[User:InShane|InShane]] 05:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :The mechanics behind [[Damage#Damage Vulnerability, Resistance and Blocking|damage modification]] are already well known. The 55% was never a mystery.-- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 05:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Item Set Stratergy ==
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| − | Do you think we should have a section or link to item set strategy?--[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 13:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Nope. We already have information about strategies with sets in Community strategies pages and in basic strategies pages. [[User:Rins|<span style="color:#0e5c76;font-size:13px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;">Rins</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px">[[File:User_Rins_minioface.png|:O]] ([[User talk:Rins|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Rins|contribs]])</span> 19:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Item Sets Vs. Themed Sets ==
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| − | Considering that these may be completely different, here is my proposal:
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| − | *We split the article into two sections: "Sets with bonuses" and "Themed sets" With the former providing the set bonuses, and the latter simply being items that are tied to a certain theme, such as the new Mobster items.
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| − | Please discuss this here, as well as providing better names for the two sections than I have come up with --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 15:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | : A major problem I see with that, is that the term "themed sets" is so broad, certain things like collections of promo items, could, in theory, qualify for that. I'm thinking like the Witcher stuff for Scout. You probably know how I feel on this issue, but to re-iterate on the talk page, I feel that in TF2, the term "set" has a very specific meaning, referring to only groups of items with stats for wearing them together. Showing other groups of items on this page has the potential to mislead readers into thinking certain groups of items have set bonuses, when they do not. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 15:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Maybe we should hang up this discussion until the update's out and we can confirm whether or not the new sets have additional stats when worn together? -- '''[[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]]''' · '''[[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 21:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::Based on Day 3 of the Uber Update, these items are referred to Class Packs: "Presenting not one, not three, but two soldier class packs!" – [[User:Jmudge|Jmudge]] 18:05, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::I agree. If these packs don't have actual set bonuses, they shouldn't be on this page. [[User:Dragonsbrethren|Dragonsbrethren]] 03:28, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Well, whaddaya know - they're ''all'' item sets after all! --'''[[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]]''' · '''[[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 19:39, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | So do they have actual effects or not?<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Powmonkey|Powmonkey]]''' ([[User talk:Powmonkey|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Powmonkey|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | == Divided ==
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| − | Anyone else think the page needs to be divided by class rather than update? -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 22:09, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I agree. There's really no need to sort by update when the sets are already mentioned on the updates' pages. [[User:Dragonsbrethren|Dragonsbrethren]] 03:30, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I'm in agreement. Dividing it by class seems logical, as well as it would probably make things a bit cleaner. [[User:Anubis|Anubis]] 03:59, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Done. [[User:Murphly|Murphly]] 11:38, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | I was thinking, for the pictures of for the uber update packs, we should use (or copy) the ones they used on the update pages, the medic one looks really good anyway.[[User:Ihasnotomato|Ihasnotomato]]
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| − | == The Bison and the Cow Mangler... ==
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| − | not sure how to describe those... I'll leave it to someone else. [[User:GreenEarth28|GreenEarth28]] 09:52, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | I think it'd be better if the pictures displayed every item in the set, even if the class doesn't actually appear that way in-game. On the Polycount update page, the Scout held both the Milk and Fish, with the Shortstop at his waist and the hat on his head. This allowed us to see all four items in the set at once. I think that every picture on this page should be remade in that style. They should also be full body, head to toe, if only for the sake of the set with the Mantreads. What do you guys think? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 10:57, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I think that that would be a great idea to implement. I would make some of the images myself, but I have no idea how... [[User:Anzallos|Anzallos]] 22:32, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: It wouldn't only be for the sake of the Mantreads. You're obviously forgetting about the Booties on my beloved Demoknight. [[User:Thenyproject|Thenyproject]] 22:34, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : {{c|support}} Great idea. Might be able to do it in Garry's Mod. I'll maybe have a go myself if I have time tonight and see what you think. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 05:20, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Anchor links from nav boxes seem to be broken. In the Über Update nav box, for example, the anchor links are all numbered, not named. Looking at the markup, I can tell that a lot of it is in there to preserve multilanguage interoperability. However, in the article itself, it doesn't look like these anchors are defined anywhere. I'm going to go through and add an additional numbered anchor to preserve the nav box anchor links. If someone has a better way of fixing this, please let me know. [[User:Coreycubed|coreycubed]] / [[User talk:Coreycubed|talk]] 06:46, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | I figured this would be the best palce to put this. Since some of the class weapons released as stand-alone updates work so well together (ex. Engineer Update, Scout update, etc.) Should we make set strategies for them on the Basic/Community strategy pages? For updates that gave 2 weps to a slot (Demo, Sniper, Spy) we can't but for the other six, why not? Whatcha think? [[User:ShadowGlove|ShadowGlove]] 16:35, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :No. They were not meant to be used together, unlike other sets. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:37, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Sniper Halloween Set description: has it actually been confirmed? ==
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| − | None of my friends have reported anything happening when headshotting someone while wearing the full set. Honestly? Someone probably headshot an enemy using the Bombinomicon and thought it was a set bonus. -- [[User:Henry Spencer|Henry Spencer]] [[File:Backpack_Gentleman's_Gatsby.png|36px|link=User_talk:Henry Spencer]] 18:39, 31 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I'm not sure either. I do have 2 complete sets of the Halloween costumes ''(one set in Unique quality, the other in Haunted quality)'', so I'll run some tests on my idle server when I get home from work. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 19:24, 31 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::It was a mistaken edit by someone, which was reverted but the cache hasn't caught up yet. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 19:26, 31 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Oh. Well I still find it odd that the Soldier, Demoman and Engineer sets all have special effects, but none of the other sets do. Isn't there a .RES file or some sort of file in one of the GCF files that shows info on the bonuses given by wearing a set? I coulda swore there was something similar in items_game.txt....or maybe there's some text lines in tf_english.txt that are labelled as set bonuses for the costumes?... '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 19:40, 31 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I was on a server where headshots were causing head explosions. Either a mod turns it on or a mod turns it off, I couldn't tell because the server dumped me due to a bad map before I could test it. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Cartigan|Cartigan]]''' ([[User talk:Cartigan|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cartigan|contribs]]) 20:53, 6 November 2011</small>
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| − | I recently added the Halloween item sets to each classes basic, community and anti strategy page but they have since been removed. Due to the Item sets section on those pages being changed to Item Set Effects, I can understand that a majority would not fit but wouldn't the Soldier, Demoman and Engineer sets still belong due to the bonuses, even if they don't effect game play. - [[User:Encouragement Pyro|Encouragement Pyro]] November 2, 2011 15:06 (EST)
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| − | :You have just answered yourself: they do not effect game play, so they aren't notable for Strategy articles. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 12:12, 2 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::The thing is though, Since the sets change voice pitch for the engy, the responses for the Soldier, and allow the Demo to howl, Wouldn't those be considered in anti class strategies as nods to there presence. That's how I was thinking about it. [[User:Encouragement Pyro|Encouragement Pyro]] 12:18, 2 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::I really don't see how those different responses affect gameplay in any way. They're only played at moments when you'd normally hear a response anyway. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 16:39, 2 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Splitting: once again ==
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| − | {{quotation||I think that in time if and or when they implement new item sets for every class and maybe double for each class there could be a page specific for the sniper's or heavy's item sets. - [[User:Meter1060|Meter1060]] 18:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)}}
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| − | Don't you think it's time to do this, I mean, to split this page into class item sets pages? We already have several sets for every class, and there will appear more and more. This page is going to become a hell for readers and editors.[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 04:32, 16 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} I agree. This page desperately needs a split. I'm going to mark the main page for discussion. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 09:49, 21 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} It's just going to keep getting bigger. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 10:30, 21 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Neutral}} Not that I disagree with splitting because it's true the page is long (but shorter than [[Crafting]] for example), the little problem that comes to my mind is users will have to go looking on multiple pages instead of having everything on a single one, just one click away. I've seen that with [[Item quality]], we had an easy, accessible, good length page, now we have a short one for every quality, making the read between all these not as easy as it was. I think it's more problematic with Item sets than qualities to have the splitting in the end. [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png|50px|link=User:Tturbo]] <sub><sub>([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Tturbo]] / [[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tturbo]])</sub></sub> 11:16, 21 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Because it is huge and because so many flash video players take a while to initialize — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 11:21, 21 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} It wouldn't take all that much work to initialize, but fixing redirects might be annoying. [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 11:33, 21 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} because this page really is too big, perhaps just replace it with a list of links to the individual pages. [[User:r4wrz0rz0r|<span style="color:black;border:2px solid black">I eat derpcakes</span>]] 09:54, 22 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Positive reaction. The page is so big, that anchors are loaded in a wrong way. Plus it's way too heavy. We need some special diet here. Wiki diet. When should we begin? '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 08:53, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Page too long, flash videos are hell for little configs and anchors are weird. But the read must be easy for the user...[[User:Carez|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Carez</span>]] [[File:Killicon_conscientious_objector.png|40px|link=User:Carez]] [[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Carez]] 14:15, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::[[User:Cooper Kid/Special Delivery|Here]]'s something to start the creative juices flowing. It still needs a little tidying up, and I think a new type of infobox for the right-hand side might be required, to display the contributor, release date etc. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 15:24, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::I was working on an infobox [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Template:Item set infobox|here]]. Hmm... {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:04, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::[[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Special Delivery|Here's both of them together]]. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:10, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::I like. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 16:14, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::Great! And are we going to have pages with a list of all class sets (like «Scout_Sets»)?[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 19:07, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::I think the current [[Item sets]] page can be modified so it simply lists them all - there isn't really a need to make class-specific ones quite yet. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 19:35, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::::Hmm, as a reader, I'd prefer to to have something more than just set names — at least <nowiki>{{Set}}</nowiki> templates maybe. Would it still leave a page huge?[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 19:56, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::::: We should have the Set template, an image to illustrate and a link to the new page. Not sure we should keep the quotes and the descriptions of the items on that page. If it's split this page should become a huge stylized redirect :3. [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png|50px|link=User:Tturbo]] <sub><sub>([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Tturbo]] / [[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tturbo]])</sub></sub> 20:28, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::::: {{c|+|That's what I meant :)}}[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 20:31, 26 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :Kay, so first, {{c|Support}}. Now, I've created several pages with the changes needed for this to work, and they are all listed [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Sets|here]]. Still working on the final touches, but other than that, it's almost ready to be made public! {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:45, 27 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :: Woohoo! I like that Epic_Eric... Though you appear to have some dictionary problems... We should find a way to correct the "The #1 Fan" issue really. Don't you think we could alternate the sides of the images to make that a little more aesthetic ? Starting with Scout images on the right, have Soldier ones on the left, etc ? [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png|50px|link=User:Tturbo]] <sub><sub>([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Tturbo]] / [[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tturbo]])</sub></sub> 19:18, 27 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::I agree that the page looks a little crowded with all those images. And shouldn't all the item sets have the prefix "The" removed? The titles on the current page don't seem very consistent or logical in that sense... '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 19:40, 27 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::{{c}} They are left in the same way the sets are named in-game (if they have a "The", the set here will have a "The"; if not, it won't. Either way, the dictionary strings for sets with "The" both accept the name entered in the template with or without the "The" for the {{tl|item name}} and {{tl|item link}} templates).
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| − | :::As for Tturbo: yeah, the #1 Fan is causing a lot of trouble becaue of the "#". For now, we can use "1 Fan" and it works, though that should be changed for no confusions later on. And I'll try to tidy up the new item sets' page, but I dunno how that's going to turn out. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 10:22, 28 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | {{c|Ongoing}} As it is of general consensus, we shall proceed with the split. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:00, 7 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | Further to the above discussion, it has been decided that this page '''will''' be split. However, there remains one burning question: How will we split it?
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| − | #This page becomes [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Item sets|a list of all sets with links]], and each set gets its own page, like [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Special Delivery|this one]];
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| − | #Similar to above, but instead, [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Item sets 2|with images on right for odd classes and left for even]] (you may poke this if you want to improve the design), or;
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| − | #''(By M-NINJA)'' Instead of an article for every set, there would be 9 articles - one for each class - [[User:M-NINJA/Projects/Scout item sets|like this]].
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| − | :{{c|1}} I think that pages sorted into classes will become too big when more are added in the future. Still not too sure about the main item sets page - there are perhaps too many images to display all of them there, but this layout can be worked on later. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 12:56, 7 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|1}} Having items on both sides seem a little uneasy on the eyes, and individual pages would make it easier to locate specific information about a certain set. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:04, 7 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|1}} I like this design, and believe it is the most convenient for the readers. — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 13:15, 7 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::Could we rename the Item sets page then into: Item sets (all) or something like that? I really like it how it all is visible. Some may think this is to long bulky etc. but i care about it. Just let it stay at least. And i agree about the design from EpicEric it looks great. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 04:19, 9 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::There wouldn't be much point in that, because it's already about all item sets. The ''(all)'' suffix is redundant, since the name "Item sets" already presupposes that all of them are listed here. Anyway, would you prefer the first option or the second one for the page? {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 10:50, 10 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::::{{c|1}} I believe it's the best design. However, having so many diferent tables for each set looks messed up. Maybe we should to something like the [[Styles]] page and add everything to one table. [[User:GianAwesome|GianAwesome]] 16:41, 18 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | As suggested by GianAwesome, I've added an extra option.
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| − | :4. Similar to the first option, but instead of having small sections with tables and images showing each set, only one table is used to display all the sets, [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Item sets 3|as you can see here]]. (the page is setting the Moonman's Backpack column smaller than the others, I'm trying to figure out why. Ignore that for now)
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| − | Please vote again if you prefer this one over the others. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 12:30, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|4}} Number 1 still takes up a lot of unnecessary space. The simpler we leave it, the better it'll be for visitors/editors. It'll also keep translations of this page up-to-date whenever a new set is added. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 12:30, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|4}} I never really liked the idea of all those templates and images just thrown into a big list - this looks much better. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 17:16, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::{{c|1,4}} This is perfect: [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Special_Delivery]]. It lists one set with an demonstration video, is done nicely and would be best to be added because it fullfills all criteria we have on the wiki like for the past weapons and is done really well. Now to the part of the question 4 or idea no.4 ...About the last part about adding a short list for the Sets and which weapons are used. This is in my opinion not done well enough. There should maybe more information in it. Not only a weapon list with no explanation what it will do. Because some sets dont have an effect, others have. So maybe we need a distinction for it, or people get lost on the way to find out which sets have ingame effects. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 15:09, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Kay, so since discussions only get active when they should have been over... :p [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Template:Set list/alt|Here]] are three options for the table on option number 4 (Scout only because I was lazy to do all classes): 1 displays no effects, 2a displays effects for all sets (if they don't have an effect, "None is displayed) and 2b only lists effects if the set has one. Any opinions or suggestions? {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:14, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :<s>{{c|2b}} Adding effects aids players when taking a quick overview on the sets, and not adding "None"'s helps players locate when a set has an effect or not with more ease. Plus, a table filled with "None"'s is uneasy on the eye. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:14, 26 March 2012 (PDT)</s>
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| − | :{{c|1}} As Cooper Kid said below, we don't need to list characteristics of every item set because, well, we'll be getting pages for those sets, so if anyone wants more info on it (either supperficial such as effects or more insight such as early designs), they could just click the link to the item set's page on the name and bingo! {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 14:40, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :: {{c|2b}} I think adding "Efect:" before the sets is to redundant. But I'll go with 2b. I don't know how it will look without the "Efect:" before them, but as an alternative, the link to the set could have a tooltip with the efect, or maybe something {{tooltip|like this|Has effect}}. [[User:GianAwesome|GianAwesome]] 17:52, 26 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::Well, tooltips on links are quite complicated, since the only way to display the tooltipped (is that even a word?) text is like [[Main Page|{{tooltip|this|Hello world!}}]] (<code><nowiki>[[Main Page|{{tooltip|this|Hello world!}}]]</nowiki></code>), instead of the usual and easier {{tooltip|[[Main Page|this]]|Hello world!}} (<code><nowiki>{{tooltip|[[Main Page|this]]|Hello world!}}</nowiki></code>). Anyway, expect 3 more versions of the table soon. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 11:20, 27 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :As always, [[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Template:Set list/alt|new options]] for the table in option number 4. The sections' titles are self-explanatory. If you have any preference, you want to comment something and/or you want to change your option, leave a message below. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:48, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::{{c|1}} We don't add tooltips to weapon tables stating "this weapon can headshot", "this weapon can cause bleed" etc. so there isn't really any need to have extra info here. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 14:00, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::Hmm, good point. I guess I'll review my opinion based on that. :p {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 14:40, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Dear fellow users, if you ask me, and please do so,
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| − | [[User:AlonBru|Sincerely yours, AlonBru]] 16:55, 29 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :By that argument, all the weapon reskins should be thrown into one article as well =/ '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 07:22, 30 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | So, the "majority" has spoken. '''Option 4, table 1''' has been picked ([[User:EpicEric/Sandbox/Template:Set list/alt|first one in this page]]). Is anyone against this? If no objections are raised till April 14, I'll move on with the merge. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:11, 4 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::When this split goes through I suppose that there will be a new page creation rush for each item set. [[User:Upgrade|Upgrade]] 00:31, 5 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::{{c|Support|4-1}} Ok, 4-1 it is! [[User:GianAwesome|Dispenser (GianAwesome)]] 15:52, 5 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | After two months, finally {{c|Done}}. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 07:06, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | As of the Feb. 10th update, the Brainiac Headpiece no longer hides Engineer's default helmet. This would need to be reflected in the image next to the Dr. Grordbort's Brainiac Pack. [[User:General Veers|General Veers]] 09:59, 27 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | I couldn't help but notice, but the "Cynical Trial" Medic set uses the picture from the Meet the Medic introductory page, (At this link, [http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/index.html]) and none of the other full set pictures use the pictures from the set pages. It just looks sort of odd being different and all. If I find time I'll try to take a new one myself, but if anyone can or has that would be appreciated. It just sticks out and bugs me. Thanks for listening to my rant, [[User:Nocturne|Nocturne]] 21:52, 27 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | :I agree. The quality of the picture is different when compared to the rest, and bugs me. It's not consistent and probably will be the only set that can be fully depicted by a clip from a "Meet the Team" video (unless something from "Meet the Pyro" comes out). But I think it's best to wait to see what some others have to say, given the picture does show the set accurately.[[User:General Veers|General Veers]] 05:51, 28 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | It ticks me off to so yeah I'll say too that we have to change the picture.--[[User:Magnum Force-Enforcer|Magnum Force-Enforcer]] 16:57, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | As far as I can tell this set is hidden in each items description until you equip them both. Not sure where to put this factoid and where to not the "effect" is just a funny line. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 16:24, 8 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | == What does "Reduces mystery solving time by up to 88% " do? ==
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| − | What does "Reduces mystery solving time by up to 88% " do? If it does nothing can we put "the effect does noting" somewhere?
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| − | Isn't "Reduces mystery solving time by up to 88% " the mystery part that is solved which is a hidden effect? --[[User:Bigbangbilly|Bigbangbilly]]!!! 18:16, 8 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | : I suspect it is a joke inserted by Valve. If I'm not mistaken, that is how it is described in the item schema. Perhaps if would be necessary to add a footnote saying that it does nothing for overall gameplay. [[User:Upgrade|Upgrade]] 18:21, 8 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | : So it does nothing? Not even anything aesthetically? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 18:23, 8 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :: It's another joke, like item descriptions and names, it does absolutely nothing except display as a positive (blue) attribute. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 18:25, 8 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::Well, the following is just pure '''speculation''', so don't bother adding it to the article or I'll remove it. I think it's a joke that there are 9 classes ([[Nine-Pipe Problem|'''Nine'''-Pipe Problem]]) and one of them is guilty of... something. Well, 88% is 8/9 (rounding fail), so maybe the Medic discards 8 suspects and ends up finding out who did whatever it was. However, that's only a possibility. But actually, this text doesn't do anything special, nor does it affect gameplay. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:39, 9 March 2012 (PST)
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| − | :That's similar to proposal 1 on the discussion above, and I think that one's more concise. (Next time, it's better if you put multiple-section proposals on your user page so it doesn't fiddle with the number of topics here.) [[User:Tabs|Tabs]] 02:45, 31 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | On dear, my apologises, I did not think of putting it on my own page, and I had no idea it would be split into several topics.
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| − | I agree with your opinion about the [[speacial delivery]] and the opinion about it being similar to porposal 1, but it is not the same.
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| − | I believe should be a page for each '''Gameplay-affecting''' set, and a separate article for each classes non affecting sets.
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| − | Don't you agree? And by the way, should I delete all of the topics I accidentally added?
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| − | [[User:AlonBru|Sincerely yours, AlonBru]] 10:52, 31 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Weapon descriptions on each set page ==
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| − | Note that weapon descriptions on set pages are identical to the weapon descriptions on class pages. Currently almost all those descriptions are located in language-independent templates. It would be nice to somehow reuse this data. Look at [[Special Delivery]], what do you think? — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <sup><span style="background:#5B885B; color:white; font-size:8px; padding-left: 2px; padding-right: 2px; padding-bottom: 1px">[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white">T</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/Stormbird|<span style="color:white">C</span>]]</span></sup> 09:18, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :So, you do really think, that creating a template for each weapon, then creating a template to unite them into a set list, and then post it on each set's page is really worth simple weapon description? It's kinda... Well. Isn't Wiki grid enough? '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 09:27, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
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