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| − | As I mentioned on the TF2 Wiki, the Shotgun bears a serious similarity to the pistol grip version of a wood Smith & Wesson M3000 with a sawn off barrel. Here's a picture of an airsoft version ([http://www.thewarstore.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/3/2/32707lg.jpg]), a video of a synthetic M3000 with a stock and normal barrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TzvXRj2aQ), and a wooden version with a stock and normal barrel ([http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp275/Nobarai/pop_wm_1440669.jpg]). Please consider this. --[[User:Takeiuchi|Takeiuchi]] 07:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Interesting, I never noticed the difference. I can't watch the video (Dial-up :/) so could you please fill out a 4-column table with each differing load speed then put it on the page? Thanks! -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 17:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Heavy and Pyro base reload has changed as of [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/October_6,_2010_Patch October 6 2010]. Pyro no longer double reloads the first shell and Heavy initial reload is sped up.--[[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 22:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Shotgun + Gunslinger==
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| − | There isn't much difference between the picture of the shotgun with and without Gunslinger.At least make them with higher FOV to see the difference. --- [[File:User Mitko1239 Soldiertinpan.png|13px]] '''[[User:Mitko1239|Mitko1239]]''' ([[User_talk:Mitko1239|''Talk page'']]) --- 07:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Renamed Shotguns ==
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| − | The renamed ones reload slower? Why is that? It's like discouraging people from renaming a gun used by 4 classes.--[[User:Awesome Weegee|Awesome Weegee]] 19:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It's most likely not intentional. It's a bug and valve will get around to it eventually. And tbh, I use a renamed shotgun the reload isn't noticeable for me.[[User:Flying Pyro|Flying Pyro]]
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| − | Huh, you expect Valve to fix it. Okay, you listening? Buggy game < Hats.
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| − | [[User:SpaceAnimator|SpaceAnimator]] 17:46, 11 June 2011 (GMT)
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| − | == Reload Glitch ==
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| − | When Holding down the 'R' key (or what ever your reload key is) will make your class continue to reload. You do not gain or lose any extra shells for doing so, it is only visual. This can only be done when reload is available. Don't remember if this works for the frontier justice, but i do know for a fact that this glitch occurs as a pyro. M-NINJA 02:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Does not happen at all with the engineer. [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 17:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Does happen with the pyro shotgun. [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 17:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Does happen with the heavy shotgun. [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 22:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Does not happen with the soldier shotgun. [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 22:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | The infinite reloading glitch was patched, I'm still testing the other things out, but so far nothing's changed below except for the infinite reloading glitch for pyro and heavy shotguns. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 03:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | This is especially annoying when using auto-reload with the heavy and pyro. One way around it is to hold down Alt-Fire (Right Click) immediately after firing. This simulates a regular shotgun and prevents the weapon from reloading [No Reloading Animation --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 23:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)] until the mouse button is released or until the clip runs out. To clarify, after being held down, Alt-Fire (Right Click) must be released to fire. One way to shoot goes something like this: Shoot-HoldAltFire-ReleaseAltFire-Repeat. The Alt-Fire (Right Click) will be held down for the majority of the time, only releasing it briefly to fire. An alternate and simpler method is to: HoldAltFire + HoldPrimaryFire-ReleaseAltFire (Weapon Fires)-HoldAltFire. When the shotgun runs out of ammo in the clip, the shotgun will automatically reload, Alt-Fire (Right Click) cannot be used to prevent an empty clip from reloading (if there is more ammo available). <del>Also, once the shotgun fully reloads the entire clip (6 Bullets), the Alt-Fire (Right Click) cannot be used to stop the reload animation, a shot needs to be fired first.</del> Additionally, holding Alt-Fire (Right Click) does not stop the reload process once it starts. The Alt-Fire (Right Click) needs to register before the reload process occurs - right after a shot is fired. <del>The only way to have a full clip without the infinite reload (after having fired a shot) is to switch to another weapon and switch back.</del> I found that if you HoldAltFire -> PrimaryFire (Left Click) in quick succession, the weapon will still fire. The Alt-Fire blocking mechanism has a short period of delay before the "blocking" effect occurs (in all cases) [For Consistency, in these posts I will refer to this as Alt-Fire Delay - --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 22:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)]. It would be interesting if anyone can find out more about this/look at code/do more testing. <del>I've only done tests on the heavy's shotgun and the shortstop, but I assume all reloadable weapons (without an alternate fire ability/animation) share these traits.</del> Spy Alt-Fire (Right Click/Cloak) also has the same property of preventing auto-reload. Spy is the only class that has an animation for Alt-Fire (That I have found), all other classes do not show an animation for Alt-Fire for reloadable weapons. Latest Update: --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 03:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | <del>:Interesting finds that a search on reloading turned up:
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| − | :*"Clip-based weapons that reload a full clip at a time can now have their reloads aborted by firing" - [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/August_13,_2009_Patch] - This leads to the reloading property: Shooting/Firing has priority over reloading. (Seems obvious, but this patch made weapons such as Scout's Shortstop, Sniper's SMG, Medic's Blutsauger, Medic's Syringe Gun, and Scout's Force-A-Nature, all of which reload a full clip, have this same property.) --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :*"Fixed reload exploit that allowed plays to fire instantly after switching weapons" - [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/April_29,_2008_Patch] - I am not sure how the reload exploit worked, so I'm not sure if this is one of the causes of the reload glitch. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</del>
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| − | :Also, I found another interesting property. Weapons that reload a full clip at a time *can* stop the reload when ammo reaches 0. I've tested using Alt-Fire (Right Click) on Scout's Shortstop, Scout's Force-A-Nature, Medic's Blutsauger, Medic's Syringe Gun, and Sniper's SMG, the weapons remain at 0 ammo and do not reload as long as Alt-Fire (Right Click) is held down. The same does not apply to weapons that reload one ammo at a time - Weapons such as Scout's Scattergun, Heavy's Shotgun, Soldier's Black Box (Are the ones I've tested so far) stick to what I've written in the previous blurb, that is, upon reaching 0 ammo in the clip, the weapon is forced to reload and Alt-Fire (Right Click) is unable to prevent the weapon from being reloaded. A side note - If a Spy uses Alt-Fire (Right Click/Cloak) right after he reaches 0 ammo, auto-reload will not occur and he will stay in stealth with 0 ammo in his revolver (Tested with L'Etranger, The Ambassador, and Revolver). The Spy is unable to auto-reload in stealth. Also, if timed right, the Spy can be made to look like he has three hands - Fire a shot->Wait for the right moment->Reload. You can see the Spy's left hand with his watch, and an extra left hand reloading (I think I've seen this mentioned before, I'm just adding it here for completion) --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Found that my previous statement that Alt-Fire (Right Click) cannot be used to stop the auto-reloading process once it has started is not entirely true (but it's not completely wrong). The auto-reloading process *can* be stopped (with Alt-Fire), but the *animation* cannot. Let me explain: Empty the clip in a Heavy's Shotgun. The Heavy will automatically start reloading his weapon. If you Alt-Fire (Right Click), the reload process and animation will both continue unimpeded. However! If you hold Alt-Fire (Right Click), then hold PrimaryFire after the Alt-Fire Delay, the process of reloading will be stopped. The animation continues, but no ammo is being reloaded into the clip. I assume this is because Shooting/Firing takes priority over reloading: Shooting/Firing is preventing the weapon from reloading, and Alt-Fire (Right Click) is preventing the weapon from shooting. I also found that PrimaryFire does not need to be held down. The process of preventing a weapon from auto-reloading goes something like this: Have the weapon Reload->HoldAltFire->Wait for Alt-Fire Delay->PressPrimaryFire. If PrimaryFire is released, the weapon continues to have the property of not reloading, but the animation for reloading continues. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 22:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I found that manually reloading (ReloadButton) takes priority over Alt-Fire (Right Click). For example, you've stopped the auto-reload by Shooting/Firing then holding Alt-Fire. If you press/hold the ReloadButton (R Key), it will override the Alt-Fire (Right Click) and reload the weapon. I'd like to remind whoever reads this section that for all of the above, I am referring to auto-reloading, the option found in Option->Multiplayer->Advanced. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 22:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Found an interesting (but useless) property for Medic's Syringe Gun and Blutsauger (And Scout's Shortstop). If Alt-Fire (Right Click) is used with right timing, each of those weapons (Syringe Gun, Blutsauger, Shortstop) can have the auto-reload process stop right after each piece of ammo. For example, you can halt the auto-reload process at 39, 38, etc. for the Syringe Gun and Blutsauger if you use the process described above, the one where you shoot (quickly tap PrimaryFire [Must Release Mouse Button]) and hold down Alt-Fire (Shoot-HoldAltFire-ReleaseAltFire-Repeat). However, the second process described (HoldAltFire + HoldPrimaryFire-ReleaseAltFire (Weapon Fires)-HoldAltFire) reveals interesting (but useless) details. The Blutsauger and Syringe Gun fire 6 syringes before Alt-Fire stops the weapon from firing. The Shortstop fires 2 bullets before Alt-Fire stops the weapon from firing. I am not sure what to make of this information, but it *might* tell us when the Alt-Fire button press registers and executes (If the weapon firing speed for each weapon is considered, an exact time can be estimated). --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 23:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Found a shotgun glitch on youtube: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeTOJCYOUsk Shotgun Glitch]. This is a counter bug, I just tried it and reproduced it. The video shows: Engi empties clip, switches weapons, holds PrimaryFire when switching back to shotgun, Engi looks like he fires directly from reserve ammo without the clip counter moving from 0. To reproduce this bug, switching weapons is unnecessary. Hold down PrimaryFire without releasing it. Once the clip reaches 0, the reload animation will show, but the clip counter will remain at 0, and 1 ammo is deducted from the reserve ammo. Sometimes the counter will show what is really happening: the weapon actually reloads because the clip increases to 1 before being fired, but sometimes the counter fails to register the reload. Again, a useless reload counter bug, but I guess I'm compiling them here. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 07:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Please let me know if I'm writing too much about a topic nobody cares about, I couldn't find a "Reload" wiki page, so I'm just adding it all here. Also, everything I have written about I have not copied from anyone else, all of this is through testing and in-game experience. If I have made any errors, please let me know. If I find out more I'll keep adding stuff, but please try it out for yourself. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Anyone have a resonible explanation as to why this not only occurs but only happens to the pyro and heavy [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 22:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::My guess is that it's tied to the reload speed fix. Valve must've left a loose end somewhere leading to this bug, since it only began after the fix. - [[User:Mistah Phoenix|Mistah Phoenix]] 23:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Just out of curiosity, is the reload speed fix you're referring to, "Fixed an exploit where you could reload The Huntsman faster than intended" in the [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Classless_update Classless Update]? --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 00:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::No, I'm referring to the recent update that made shotgun reload times the same for all shotguns. It was quite recent, but I don't think it was announced in the patch notes. - [[User:Mistah Phoenix|Mistah Phoenix]] 00:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::<del>Ok. If you find a source somewhere, please let us know, thanks.</del> Nvm, the info's updated on the shotgun's wiki page, haha. --[[User:Pb|Pb]] 07:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::*The info isn't completely true. it says the glitch is exclusive to the pyro when the glitch also occurs with the heavy's shotgun [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] 11:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::Patched!--[[User:Pb|Pb]] 03:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::Thats mildly disappointing, i enjoyed the endless reloading sequence :3 -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 23:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Heavy's Baby Gun has no trigger ==
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| − | just want to know if I should put the Heavy's Shotgun lacking a trigger and trigger guard in the article. Seems like it'd be a bug, but it's a minor graphical thing. which I remember not supposed to be in the bug or trivia listing. Thoughts? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:BraveTriforcer|BraveTriforcer]]''' ([[User talk:BraveTriforcer|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/BraveTriforcer|contribs]]) 2010-12-07T14:10:48</small>
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| − | : I don't know what you mean. The w and c models have both triggers and guards. If you're referring to the animations when used by the Heavy, it does have a guard but the trigger cannot be seen due to his large finger.--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> 11:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Engineer's glove is gone in the first person view ==
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| − | I noticed you can see his bare right hand in the first person view when it should be a glove. Don't if this should be noted.
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| − | -[[User:HimitsuNoRyu|HimitsuNoRyu]] 02:18, 6 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Nevermind. It may just be the picture they used on the wiki is wrong or it just looks that way from the lighting. Looking at it in-game, he clearly has his glove
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| − | -[[User:HimitsuNoRyu|HimitsuNoRyu]] 02:27, 6 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == It's not an Ithaca37 at all. ==
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| − | It'll be easier to use images but first and foremost: the Ithaca37 is a bottom ejecting shotgun, it doesn't have an ejection port on either side.
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| − | [[http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Inconsistencies1.png|[Inconsistencies1]]]
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| − | [[User:Foxyb|Foxyb]] ([[User talk:Foxyb|talk]]) 13:43, 16 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | : If you read the trivia correctly, It says it "Appears to be" Doesn't mean it IS. That and the description even mentions of some modifications. Remember, Some guns aren't direct replicas but instead are used as reference. Also the above uploads really aren't necessary. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 13:46, 16 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Remington 870 Shotgun, Not an Ithaca M37 ==
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| − | Something I feel needs to be changed is the basis behind the shotgun. The Shotgun shows no similarities to the Ithaca M37 other than the pump. On close examination, the Shotgun shows more visual similarities to the Remington 870 Shotgun than the Ithaca.
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| − | -Remington 870:
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| − | -Ithaca M37:
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| − | Comparing the two models, it seems that the Remington bears more similarities to the Shotgun, with a sawed off barrel and modified stock, than that of the Ithaca, and could be changed in the Trivia section of the Shotgun to replace the Ithaca M37 or alongside it..
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| − | -[[User:ColinTheAwesomest|ColinTheAwesomest]] ([[User talk:ColinTheAwesomest|talk]]) 11:12, 24 July 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :The shotgun is based off Itacha 37, as can be seen on this image which the concept art is very similar to.
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| − | [[User:Spython|Spython]] ([[User talk:Spython|talk]]) 00:16, 27 July 2014 (PDT)
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| − | There are two things about the Shotgun that I think should be in the trivia:
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| − | 2. The fact that even though the shells are loaded forward, they eject backwards and why that may be, too.
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Shotgun Dude 37|Shotgun Dude 37]]''' ([[User talk:Shotgun Dude 37|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Shotgun Dude 37|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | : This is just how Valve did the models, it's not notable trivia. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 09:29, 16 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | : Okay, well was the ejection port being on the wrong side a mistake or a purpose? --[[User:Shotgun Dude 37|Shotgun Dude 37]]''' ([[User talk:Shotgun Dude 37|talk]])
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| − | == Shotgun Reload Animation ==
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| − | i just noticed a bug of the shotgun, the Engineer animation does not match with the Heavy/Pyro/Soldier.
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| − | Links below as proof, see the difference at that black hole on the shotgun of engineer and the Soldier/Pyro/Heavy reload animation:
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| − | does this fit on the bugs section [[User:Villager3056|Villager3056]] ([[User talk:Villager3056|talk]]) 05:50, 23 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | : not really notable. Just a visual thing that doesn't affect gameplay aside from inconsistency. I wouldn't note it. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 16:33, 23 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == For the recent changes to the damage and function table ==
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| − | Can someone confirm if it is correct?
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| − | ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 10:14, 27 March 2017 (PDT)
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| − | : I am assuming you meant to change it. See [[Talk:Scattergun]] for my explanation. [[Image:User Twolfe Signature.png|25px]] || [[User:Twolfe|twolfe's page]] || [[User talk:Twolfe|twolfe's talk page]] 10:21, 27 March 2017 (PDT)
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| − | == Damage and function times tables missing subsequent reload speed times ==
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| − | Right now the table has 1 second for "Reload (first)", but what about subsequent reloads? ⇒[[File:Leaderboard class spy.png|16px|link=]] [[User:Anyar|<span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: TF2 Build">Anyar</span>]] ([[User_talk:Anyar|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Anyar|contributions]]/[[User:Anyar/No|giveaway]]) 11:50, 28 August 2017 (PDT)
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| − | == Bullet spread on either this page or the page for the Scattergun (and potentially a lot of other weapon pages) is WRONG ==
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| − | I noticed the page for the Shotgun lists the spread as 15:1 and the page for the [[Scattergun]] lists it as 30:1. At first I figured that the Scattergun's spread was actually just narrower for the sake of making Scout less useless at medium range, but I did the testing myself and they're actually identical.
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| − | https://youtu.be/eTaPmB5igSA (sorry for the lack of audio and editing)
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| − | Other pages for similar weapons, like the [[Force-A-Nature]] and [[Reserve Shooter]], list the spread as 30:1. So either the spread for the Shotgun page is wrong, or someone measured the spread for the Shotgun specifically, found out it was 15:1 instead of 30:1, and then either didn't test other weapons or did and then didn't update them.
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| − | Can someone who understands Hammer Units better than I do verify this? [[User:HitlineMiamo|HitlineMiamo]] ([[User talk:HitlineMiamo|talk]]) 12:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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| − | Updating to add a list of affected pages.
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| − | On these pages, the spread is listed as 30:1. Based on their listed stats, these weapons should all have identical spread to the stock Shotgun, or to the Scattergun, which I tested above and saw it had the same spread. So these ones are either 15:1 or 30:1 but I don't know which.
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| − | * [[Scattergun]]
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| − | * [[Force-A-Nature]]
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| − | * [[Soda Popper]]
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| − | * [[Baby Face's Blaster]]
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| − | In addition, the pages for the [[Back Scatter]] and the [[Shortstop]] list the spread as 24:1 and 50:1 respectively, but these numbers seem like they're calculated based on the possibly-incorrect spread of the stock Scattergun (30 x 0.8 = 24 for the Back Scatter; the wiki page for the Shortstop calls it about 40% more accurate, but 30 x 1.4 = 42, not 50, so I'm not sure what's going on there).
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| − | The page for the [[Panic Attack]] has no spread listed at all; although that weapon has the whole increased-spread-on-consecutive-shots thing going on, I think it's still worthwhile to at least list the initial spread (as well as the growth per shot if possible).
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| − | If anyone knows a precise enough way to test spread, input would be appreciated so this can get sorted out. [[User:HitlineMiamo|HitlineMiamo]] ([[User talk:HitlineMiamo|talk]]) 21:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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| − | == Shotgun spread proof. Stop reverting. ==
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| − | Weapon scripts state that the spread pattern is 0.0625 for both shotgun and scattergun. Stop reverting blatantly false misinformation without fact checking your OWN GAMEFILES. Plenty of other people have provided proof of this on the talk page. I shouldn't have to provide this proof when the person who made the 15:1 edit in the first place didn't.
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| − | [[User:Blobbles|Blobbles]] ([[User talk:Blobbles|talk]]) 01:24, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Blobbles
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