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Southern Hospitality in chart

In the weapons chart, it notes correctly that the Southern Hospitality does not crit. But in the damage given, it still has crit as 195 damage. Remove that?{{SUBST:User:Cranberry Jerk/Sig}} 11:06, 19 July 2011 (PDT)

It can still be forced to crit, i.e. by the Buff Banner or the Kritzkreig. » Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 16:12, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
Good point.{{SUBST:User:Cranberry Jerk/Sig}} 15:00, 20 July 2011 (PDT)

Golden Wrench Image

That Golden Wrench image looks... very un-golden. Someone gunna fix it?--Kingplatypus3rd 22:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


Found in English:
"TF_HUD_Event_GoldenWrench_C" "%s1 has found Golden Wrench no. %s2!"
"TF_HUD_Event_GoldenWrench_D" "%s1 has destroyed Golden Wrench no. %s2!"

"name" "turn to gold"
"attribute_class" "set_turn_to_gold"
"attribute_name" "turns corpse to gold"
"min_value" "1"
"max_value" "1"
"description_string" "#Attrib_TurnToGold"
"description_format" "value_is_additive"
"hidden" "0"
"effect_type" "positive"

"TF_Unique_Golden_Wrench" "Golden Wrench" [$ENGLISH]

Golden Wrench

There's going to be a limited number of these things (going by the first line), so keep an eye out and post here if you find a secret link, don't post on the forums. -Firestorm 01:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I really want one of these love playing as engie .. "The man with the golden wrench" -Pokeymehlljordan 12:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

In-game joke

His name is DELL.

Geddit? OllyTheMann 18:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Added to List_of_references_(Engineer), but I might have gotten it wrong >.>; — WindPower 18:17, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Msmeal18 (talk) 05:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC) This took me way to friken long

3rd life sustaining system built for the Announcer?

It sort-of makes sense. If you assume that Emily the Maidservant is the announcer, Saxton Hale needs no such life support, and Blutarch and Redmond also have devices, then it would make sense that the Announcer is using life support. Either that, or the Engi built a time machine, and is keeping Zephaniah alive. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael (talk) • contribs)

It has since been proven that the third Mann brother, Gray, has the third life extender machine. Nice theory though. TheIgnorantMedic 02:29, 23 December 2012 (PST)
I wouldn't say its been proven. Anyway, please don't respond to thousand-year old speculation that really belongs here. There's no need. Thanks. --SilverHammer 02:34, 23 December 2012 (PST)

Msmeal18 (talk) 05:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC) 1. her name is the administrator 2. Yes she was given it 3. Zephaniah lives on as the ghost wearing the gibus 4. Gray built his own life-extender

Guitar unlock?

Any theories? I doubt it's a melee, have you ever seen a guitar fix anything? Let alone a sentry? -- Smashman... (ts) 09:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

most likely a buff Valve have a thing about minicrits--Markd 09:36, 7 July 2010 (UTC)\
Frontier Justice taunt. By now everyone knows this so this section could be removed. Pierow 06:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Ability to move buildings?

This was hidden somewhere on the update page. Significant? -- MistahFixIt 03:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Very significant, but still speculation at this point. Do not publish it on any article yet — WindPower 04:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Basic Strategy

Fix it. It's full of crap. Only supposed to be the actual tips in-game there. All strategy in the Engineer strategy page. -- Smashman... (ts) 11:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

48 dps mini-sentry

48 seems to be the determined dps, rather than 32. Should be changed? Also, why is it 100-125 hp?

What? Fire rate is the same as a level 1, just with halved damage. Why isn't it 32 DPS? </totalconfusion> -The Neotank ( | Talk) User The Neotank Signeotank.gif 16:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Fire rate is NOT the same, it's 50% faster (Valve never told us though). see the video here --Firestorm  User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg 16:08, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Golden Wrench has wrong icon

The Golden Wrench icon is the same as the default wrench. I have no idea how to change it, I'm just pointing it out.

Tyc 00n 21:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

They are different. -- Smashman... (ts) 21:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

"Most unlockable weapons in the game"

er... how exactly is this calculated?

The Engineer has: Lugermorph, Golden Wrench, Frontier Justice, Wrangler, and Gunslinger. Of these, only four are common.

The Demoman has: Scottish Resistance, Chargin' Targe, Eyelander, Pain Train, and Scotman's Skullcutter.

Of all the above, neither the Wrangler or Chargin' Targe are strictly weapons... but even if we're counting them, only the Chargin' Targe directly does damage.

If you're counting the Combat Mini-Sentry separately... why? It's counted as a normal sentry gun by the game's internal stats and logging.

--Powerlord 22:02, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

You forgot the Southern Hospitality~ — Wind 22:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, I didn't remember that until afterwords, but you'd already replied before I got back here to remove that. --Powerlord 22:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Actually, all 4 sentries; Mini, and levels 1, 2 and 3; are counted separately by the internal logging. From memory, I beleive they are obj_minisentry, obj_sentry, obj_sentry2 and obj_sentry3. TheIgnorantMedic 02:33, 23 December 2012 (PST)

Curiouser and Curiouser

Fellow wiki-patrollers, lend me your ears. What do you know about an enigmatic weapon lurking in the .gcf files, known only as 'The JAG'? The only thing I can tell you is all the textures and models are accounted for, and that it looks like a 1950's gear-puller, as opposed to a wrench. -- MistahFixIt 16:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

We know this. -RJ 16:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Durp. TF2 Wiki's search engine must hate me, cuz I didn't get a single hit looking for it. Also, I doubt its in a Supply Crate, since a) it doesn't show up on the supply crate manifest, and b) it's not on the items_game.txt at all. -- MistahFixIt 17:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Dischord guitar sounds

See Talk:Engineer_taunts. --Superslinger2007 01:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization of "building"

Minor point. Sometimes, especially when linking to the page on buildings, the word is capitalized. Sometimes it is not. Seems to me it should not be capitalized. I was going to start changing them but I thought maybe I should say something about it first.

Melee weapon special abilities - really necessary?

Every single melee weapon of the Engineer has the ability to build, upgrade and repair buildings and remove Sappers. Do we really have to mention that again for every single weapon? I think it should be just mentioned once for all weapons. After all, the point of these tables is to demonstrate the advantages and disadvantages of different weapons, but all the engineer's weapons can do these things equally well, so there's no advantage or disadvante here. It just clutters up the table. Zoon-li 01:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, since no one has disagreed with this in over 3 months I guess I'll just go ahead and edit the section. Zoon-li 19:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Item Set

I was going to add the fact that the engineer is the only class without an item set after either the Mann-Co. Store and Australian Christmas updates but was unsure as to where in the page to add it. Anyone care to advise? Priorax 00:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but that falls under the x of y style trivia set in the trivia guidelines. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 00:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank's for the quick response, greatly appreciated. Priorax 01:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

new engie hat? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snotyay (talk) • (contribs) 19:23, 7 April 2011


Is the bug section really necessary? it's obvious the gloves are orange, so why is it a bug? Seems to me like an excuse to have bugs section in the article. Mpnov 13:19, 5 February 2012 (PST)

His gloves should be the same colour as his helmet - orange on RED, yellow on BLU. They always appear orange in first-person view. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 16:24, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Pomson electrical?

It says the pomson fires electrical projectiles, but I do not think that is true. The item is a 'particle smasher' and it 'irradiates', according to the item description in-game. It probably fires alpha or bèta rays. (radiation produced by certain radioactive isotopes, consisting of praticles rather than electromagnetic waves) I would have corrected it right away if I knew a better description myself... Any suggestions? I was thinking of particle beams, particle blasts, plasma, laser beams, energy beams, energy rays etc. K-Raider NL 03:51, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Rewording Gallery Descriptions

I've decided to make a few minor edits to the wordings of a few gallery images. The wording of the description for the TFC Engineer image seemed a bit odd to me so I made it sound a bit simpler. Let me know if it could be improved upon further.

2560x1600at120hz 10:24, 16 December 2012 (PST)2560x1600at120hz

Primary Weapons Table Mistake

In the Primary Weapons Table, it lists the Rescue Ranger as an "Uncrate" when it should be labelled "Craft". I tried fixing it but I can't seem to get it to change.

Engineers needs more PDAs

The Engineer has a simple construction PDA, capable of building a sentry, a dispenser, a teleporter entrance, and a teleporter exit. This, although versatile, does become tedious after a while, and other classes (in particular Demoman/Demoknight) have many more functions.

Therefore, I propose this: new PDAs.
I have come up with three ideas:

Offense PDA
1. Sentry
2. Wrangler Controlled Sentry Buster
3. Mine
4. Mine

Doc Holiday PDA
1. Quick-Building Dispenser
2. Long-Range Dispenser
3. Teleporter Entrance
4. Teleporter Exit

Mobility PDA
1. Wrangler Controlled Mobile Sentry
2. Cannon (transports allies and disguised Spies forcefully over walls)
3. Two-way Teleporter "Entrance"
4. Two-way Teleporter "Exit"

I think these additions would improve the importance of the Engineer during games such as Arena and Medieval mode, and add a new dimension to the game.
Clean0nion 08:26, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

  • Hi.
    • Firstly, please make sure to post new talk messages at the bottom of the page, so as to not cause confusion.
    • Secondly, please sign your posts using ~~~~.
    • Lastly, the Wiki is a place for facts/information. Speculation and suggestions should be posted in the Steam Users' Forums instead. Eels 06:00, 25 April 2013 (PDT)
Thank you for that advice! Clean0nion 08:26, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

New Voice?

Has anyone else heard the new voice responses from the manhattan update? they dont sound like Engie at all. is this a new voice actor? or is it just a filler untill we get the real ones?

The killstreak reveal ones you can hear it the most

Godofrome1 (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2013 (PST)

I see where you're coming from. I've heard differences with the Heavy's responses, too; especially after getting an upgrade at the Upgrade Station. Maybe it's just the voice actors getting older? --User ICantThinkOfName signed.png ICantThinkOfName (WHAT HAVE I SAID?!) (WHAT HAVE I DONE?!) 23:37, 28 November 2013 (PST)

New weapon idea?

What if the engineer had a mace as a melee that allowed you to do extreme knockback to your target and 90 damage per hit and did an additional 20 damage once the target hits a wall but at the cost of a 30% slower swing speed, so that means you could either fling a blu scout up to the top of the map, and kill them via fall damage, or you could make a meteor out of a rocket jumping soldier and get a kill from fall damage. Not to mention you could use the secondary fire button to use an attack that allowed you to make an extremely high jump (about the height of the highest rocket jump with a single rocket) and while falling you attack automatically for triggering a view animation that shows the engineer holding the mace with both hands at a slightly downward angle, but when you actually fall within melee range to hit an enemy player, you automatically do a critical hit to them which would be the stereotypical 195 damage, either that or you could just give the weapon the 30% higher jump height (or what ever percent is enough to jump completely over a player) as an attribute for it, But the main gimmick for this weapon is that you cannot upgrade or move buildings, so it would make another offensive tool for the engineer, the main question is "Do you think this will work?". The preceding unsigned comment was added by DPSmasta (talk) • (contribs)

This page is NOT for speculating any "weapon ideas" this discussion page is meant for the content of the page itself. This sort of topic would belong the Steam forums, (Even though it would just get shot down), It doesn't belong here. Thanks. Ashes (talk) 18:43, 10 January 2014 (PST)

Favorite Equation

It's really more of an expression or a formula, not so much an equation. Fuzzeh! (talk) 18:11, 6 August 2014 (PDT)

It is more properly described as an expression, or lighting term actually; but in the white paper, Valve labels such expressions as Equation # (maybe an artifact of their word processor styles or corporate style guide), so an easy mistake at worst. Mikado282 (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2014 (PDT)

Frontier Justice Stats

Still says 2 crits for kill and 1 crit for assist, even though this was changed long ago. ElMuchachoJumbo (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2014 (PDT)

Still 2 crits for each kill and 1 for each assist. Did you play in the Valve server? If not it's possible that you played in the modded server. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 05:35, 8 September 2014 (PDT)

The Gunslinger no longer has the guaranteed crit on third hit, does anyone know how to change that?

As seen in the title, the Gunslinger on this page says "Guarantees a Critical hit on a third consecutive punch" and "No random Critical hits". This is no longer true though, as it does have random criticals and the third consecutive punch=crit was removed, but I don't know how to fix this, does anyone else know? - BlueArcher (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2015 (PST)

The table is a template. To edit a template you have to go to its template page. For the gunslinger change, you'll need to go to Template:Class weapons table engineer melee. Have fun. --User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png Dr. Scaphandre 17:43, 28 November 2015 (PST)
Template:Class weapons table engineer melee — The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him!Contribs} 17:47, 28 November 2015 (PST)
I just tested it in game. There are no random crits and the third hit still crits so I dunno where you got that from User Bojjob Userlink.png

Um, before you change anything, can you please provide some evidence to support this? Because from what I can see nothing's changed. --SleetwolfTalk-Contribs 19:20, 28 November 2015 (PST)

Hidden Mechanic

So apparently Uncle Dane has found a hidden mechanic about the Engineer's buildings that seems legit. I'm not sure I have priority to put it up however because I just got started here, or where to put it. I didn't want to add it without any approval, so what's the concensus?

Link to Uncle Dane's video here:

FrontierJustice (talk) 05:40, 19 March 2016 (PDT)

Redo for the Short Circuit

The new update changed the short-circuit's alt ability. Could someone get to editing that, real quick? - Mia Miaw

Engineer Dueling Banjo bug

When using the Dueling Banjo taunt, you can speed it up. This means that the sound and animation speed up, and a steam particle appears on has hands. If he dies during this, the steam particles stay on his hands when he respawns dispite nor using the taunt anymore.

AshtheRam (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Panic Attack Stats Don't Match

At present (see signature for timestamp), the Panic Attack damage stats listed here don't match the stats on the main Panic Attack page. (The ones on the main page for it seem accurate.) - Slashproc (talk) 20:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Check which was made last, then update 'm
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Image and Link?

The trivia section says "A photograph on the Engineer update page displays a young boy (presumably the Engineer) trying on his first pair of goggles, as the Engineer from Team Fortress Classic looks on proudly and pats him on the shoulder." That should probably include a citation, and/or an addition to the image gallery.

Snackcakes_McGee (talk) 08:50, 12 December 2020 (CST)

The citation is the same page. Ashe (talk) 02:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Ah. I didn't see that. Sorry. Snackcakes McGee (talk) 03:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

OK I’m confused, Is TFC Engineer TF2 Engineer’s father? Or is the guy at the end of NATD his dad?

Because it says in the storyline, A young dell was trying on his glasses, with “…TFC Engineer…” watching proudly. So, were there 2 TFC Engineers? I am honestly confused.

Soldurian (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

So, this is a fair catch.
The community/wiki has presumed from the context of Grandad's notes that the man in the image is Dell's heretofore unnamed father (Ratigan would be hairier and the hard hat is 40s/50s design). Nothing in the Comics to date reveals that the TFC Engineer Fred is in fact Dell's father, yet (Fred is the only TCF teammate unaccounted for).
Therefor, IMO, the present caption is speculation. The caption should not state that the man is the TFC Engineer. Nothing in the wiki should speculate that the TFC Engineer is Dell's dad.
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 20:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding a section to further Teamwork!

I think we should add a section, or at least a sentence that highlights the fact that engineer can help the other engis on his team out, either with helping upgrading, repairing and reloading the sentry gun.

Mister Dispenser (talk) 23:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, it is already mentioned here, I don't think it is necessary to mention it again. YossefTalk 06:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)