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Trivia edit

why did you edit that out, it wasnt wrong PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi there,
The piece of Trivia is XofY trivia, which is not valid Trivia as you are comparing the % of players that have achieved said achievement to the other ones. This Trivia is also quick to be outdated, as other achievements can take that title away at any time. See the Trivia help guide for more information on what is and isn't Trivia.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
ok, but maybe tell people things before deleting every edit they make. PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
I did, every undo has an edit summary that explains why the edit was undone.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

you kinda being a dictator

PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)i've got an honest question: do you have a life

What's the point in being rude over a few simple edits? What you added was a baseless claim and directly goes against Valve's video policy.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)no this is an honest question bc you are always online. like, is someone paying you or something? im genuinely curious
I don't think that's any of your business.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
PikaWarrior1222 (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC) ok (also dude calm down)
I'm not upset or anything at all, however, I suggest taking undos less personally and trying to learn from them instead of calling people dictators and asking them if they have a life. You may end up blocked for that kind of behaviour.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mistaken page edit

Apologies for the "Anti-Scout strategies" page edits, I did not realise it was referring to the Classic TF2. Dule (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries, I get the confusion. An easy way to see if it's about TF Classic or TF2 is to see if the page has "(Classic)" in the name.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't Trying to start an edit war.Sorry!


I didn't know what an edit war was until a couple of hours ago; my main concern for the page was readability. I thank you for making the page more aligned with the wiki. I added some minor spacing that I thought you missed, if that's ok.

HostileBadger (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC) Hostile Badger 6/24

The template:sp

Hi there, I've made some slight changes on your template:
In general, when different numbers (from 0~2) are put into the template, the text will be different, too.
What's your opinion towards this change?
Draft space: User:BEUFK/Template:sp01
--Tf medic setup charge.pngBEUFK - Contributions-Talk 10:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It's more about the warning level/image, it doesn't necessarily need to have different text.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
However, the Wikipedia uses different warning texts in different warning grades. Personally, It's quite useful to warn those users who keep on ignoring others' words
Link: w:Template:Uw-vandalism1 --Tf medic setup charge.pngBEUFK - Contributions-Talk 11:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Maybe a combination of those template is needed.--Tf medic setup charge.pngBEUFK - Contributions-Talk 11:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's necessary, if they need more guidance a manual message is best.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
OK, I will keep the draft in my userspace until the further instructions are given. Thanks for your patience!--Tf medic setup charge.pngBEUFK - Contributions-Talk 12:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Self nomination.

Hello Swood, I noticed some time ago that nomination for wiki caps had changed to function in the absence of nominators.
A friend of mine suggested that I ask you about a potential self nomination, I do not know if I fit all factors for eligibility however when it comes to edits and such tho.
Let me know your thoughts. and tips their hat Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 02:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
You unfortunately don't meet the minimum edit requirements, however, Thedop is an experienced editor and if he feels like you're worthy he can always nominate you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I will let him know. Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 20:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

April Fools template

Hey, please take a look at Template talk:April Fools. Thanks in advance.
Tiagoquix (talk) 09:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Bots in Saxton Hale mode

According to the July 20, 2023 Patch, "TF_Bots now function in Versus Saxton Hale", which means that at the time I made this edit, I was correct. Obviously, I'm not anymore, but I was. Dogman15 (talk) 22:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


You probably will need to fix the Saxton Hale health chart you made; for entry 25, I typoed 27000 as 29000. 27000 is the correct value and I have double-checked the rest of the values I entered to make sure there aren't any other errors. Probably a good thing you made that graph too, the weird spike that didn't match my chart made me check.

The chart in question is this one:

Mrs L (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll change it, let me know if anything else is wrong.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Page prioritization

Greetings, again. I'm almost done with the preliminary work on game terms, titles, etc., and theoretically I can start doing at least something next week.

I remember in the FAQ that I recommend that translators focus their attention on the "most important pages" to start with - the main menu, the most visited pages, etc. And leave rarely visited pages for the very end.

Is there a list, a table, a ranking of the most important/most visited pages so that I can create a guideline? Thanks.

--FIRUIN (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC) FIRUIN

I don't think there is one list of most important pages. The Dutch translation page has one that I generally would recommend to people, that being weapons first (Stock weapons -> achievement reward weapons -> other weapons), cosmetic items second (I would start with the newest cosmetics first), major updates, maps, achievement pages, small updates, then from there it's whatever.
Also do note that you should use the tf_ukrainian.txt to find all the translations possible rather than making your own. We've had some discussion in the Staff channel and we're not entirely sure yet where these translations should go.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, yes, I remember about the correspondence of the names, thanks for reminding me about the existence of this file, I almost forgot. Ha ha.
There's a little problem with the last items because they're not translated yet, so I'll leave them for later.
And as for posting them, I'll probably post them from my page like User:FIRUIN/Sัout/uk. This way I can show what I can do and, if necessary, they can be simply copied and pasted as the official translation of the page. At least I think so, I haven't quite figured out the technical part of this wiki yet.
In any case, it's better to spend more time preparing to meet the relevant standards.

--FIRUIN (talk) 10:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC) FIRUIN

zh-hans translation for the chart.

The zh-hans translation for Saxton Hale health chart:
Saxton Hale health scaling ==> ่จๅ…‹ๆ–ฏ้กฟยท้œๅฐ”็”Ÿๅ‘ฝๅ€ผๅ˜ๅŒ–่กจ
Saxton Hale's health ==> ่จๅ…‹ๆ–ฏ้กฟยท้œๅฐ”๏ผˆๅˆๅง‹๏ผ‰็”Ÿๅ‘ฝๅ€ผ
Mercenaries ==> ็Žฉๅฎถๆ•ฐ้‡
--Tf medic setup charge.pngBEUFK - Contributions-Talk 03:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 05:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


I just wanted to say, sorry, I didn't intend to add that image anyway to the article - not really sure why I did, maybe as a personal archive and to warm up to uploading in general. I apologize for the confusion.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

It's fine, don't worry about it. If you have any questions about uploading, feel free to ask them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Pelican Peak

Undarker (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Hello, thanks for the information provided! I changed everything, now everything should be correct (view if you want).


Hello again! I had an idea. Maybe together we will edit the information on the maps? About Reckoner, I don't know what else to write in the map description. Undarker (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, the Workshop description is a good placeholder but generally they tend to be biased and not adhere to the neutral POV that the Wiki is supposed to adhere to. For example, Phoenix's Workshop description was very biased towards it and seemed to make it out as one of the greatest maps to exist.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 12:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Add map photos and map overview to koth_product, please Slamm (talk) 04:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Seems like it already had map photos. If you want to add an overview, you have to name your file "Product (competitive custom map) overview.png".
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK translation

There is now a fact "...that some cosmetic hats and bot heads from Mann vs. Machine are available on the Steam community marketplace for SteamVR?" on the main page in DYK, which is not translated into Russian. I've been trying all day to figure out how to translate it, but I still can't figure it out. Can you help with this question? Maybe I should just add the Russian version of it to the facts list?
When trying to edit dyk-mp-96, I get redirected to Template:Dictionary/common_strings#Did_you_know..., but I don't have permission to edit it. โ€” DanteDevil (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Only autoconfirmed users can edit it, you should get access automatically after a while, just make sure to check on it once in a while.
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That bug has been in the game so long I really began to think it was intentional like to tease free users, but... nah. Source spaghetti as usual. And I was lazy but I have footage I'll upload soon.โ„ข Just surprised no one noticed it before.--Leaderboard class allclass.png Akolyth (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I upload photos?

I wanted to ask, because I genuinely have 0 clue. I've looked, but I think I looked in the wrong pages. Do I make a new page with it, or something? Hope you answer soon :) --Payn (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

This page here, remember to include a license and the appropriate categories. If you struggle with the appropriate categories, try checking similar images to see what they have.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 23:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

A question

Should tfwiki record the previous information of a weapon?
Some wiki-readers has requested to add the previous attributes of Baby Face's Blaster on zh-hans translation. --็ฅ็ผ–ๅฎ‰/Best Regards
||| BEUFK the nonsense - contrib. - have a talk 00:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

If we were going to do that, we'd need to have all the iterations of all weapons somewhere first. If you can gather them for all weapons first (I recommend getting others to do it too) we can start making a dedicated section or some kind of change to the existing page.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 00:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

That one tree in skirmish you can't wallclimb

Hey GrampaSwood I can't stop but wonder why you deleted the video I uploaded showcasing the bug, after you asked me to give proof? The American Boot (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

The proof only needs to be provided once, the video was rather large so it's not necessary for it to stay on the Wiki and it already served its purpose, so I deleted it (I kept the bug on the page, as it's verified). If you want the video to be on the Wiki, I would suggest uploading it to YouTube and putting that on the page instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

French version of Saxton Hale health chart


I wanted to translate your graph, but I saw your message. Is it possible to translate with the following:

  • "Saxton Hale's health" => "Santรฉ de Saxton Hale"
  • "Mercenaries" => "Mercenaires"
  • "Saxton Hale health scaling" => "Santรฉ de Saxton Hale par rapport au nombre de mercenaires"

Thank you!

SpyAmogus (talk) 17:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Translation progress poisoning

Hello Swood, as you know, each translation team has a translation progress table showing the work done on "main" categories. This is very useful because it is possible to compare between the /fr and English categories and keep both synchronized; however, due to this nature, some categories end up holding "untranslatable" pages and such. I have previously discussed the topic with Mikado. This is one of the reasons why loc teams such as /ru will never reach the 100% mark; some pages just cannot be translated and have no purpose being localized. Examples include Category:Official maps, Category:Images by map, Category:Custom maps unreleased stubs/lang and Category:Lists to be expanded (and probably more). The easy fix would just be to remove them from the main categories, but I thought it could be seen as vandalism in a way. Your input would be appreciated. Sometimes other problems may arise, such as a User space page or a Sandbox page that might end up in categories. I personally think they do not belong there unless it's a User space category. Those are minor issues regardless.
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 02:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Well if you see a User page in a non-User category, then feel free to remove it from the category (preferably by adding a colon before, such as [[:Category:Weapons]]), as for removing them from the main category they're automatically added there via a bot from Darkid. You'd best ask Darkid for some kind of solution for this.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
I see, as for the others I've listed, none of them were categorized by a bot; it was all manual, unless you mean that removing the Lists category from Category:Lists to be expanded for exemple, would have it added back immediately by a bot?
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 15:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
(EDIT) Maybe you meant the table itself, as in Darkid could help in that way, like adding a sort of whitelist? That could help too, although the offending pages would still show up in category comparison, which is also not a big problem.
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 15:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Ah I misunderstood, it's much simpler, using the "pagesincategory" magic word you can simply subtract the amount of categories it shouldn't track. Not entirely sure how to do that (I took a look at the template code and it's quite complicated) so I would ask Darkid for help on that.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 15:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
What about categories that were "translated" but remain (and might always remain) empty? Like this one Category:Official_maps/ru, of which even the English category is empty.
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 16:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
These should probably be deleted, along with the English one.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch, Swood. I'll mark them for deletion. To summarize, I should contact Darkid for the other categories so that we can keep those marked in the main categories. I personally would have just removed the category from them so that they don't show up in there since I believe they were sufficiently accessible without them.
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 17:45, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 18:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you; I'll get in touch with him soon. I've also marked some stuff for deletion, and speaking of which, it seems someone needs to get on it; the marked for deletion category is getting stuffy ๐Ÿ˜ฆ.
Luno ๐Ÿช๐ŸŒ• Talk / Contributions / Team 18:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Types of translatable strings

Hello! I am currently translating some pages in romanian and based on the comments I recieved on my edits I'm trying to use {{}} type links rather than [[]] type links. However, in order to use these links I need to know where in the Template Dictionary the thing I am linking to is found. You told me about 'item link', 'update link', 'item name', 'item kind' and 'item description' so I was wondering if there was a list of all categories. For example I cannot add a 'Mannpower' link because the gamemode doesn't belong in those categories. I also wanted to thank you for helping me learn about the translation guidelines! --Lord of Dominating (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It should be visible on the actual template page, for example {{item name}}. If you edit this page, it shows "dictionary/items/" in the code, that is where they are located. This should work for every template. If not, feel free to ask here which ones.
That I know of, item link/name uses Template:Dictionary/items, {{Map link}}/{{Map name}} uses Template:Dictionary/common strings#map names, and {{Common string}} uses Template:Dictionary/common strings. Let me know if you find any more you want to know.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Question about a patch

I have a small question about the 6|28|2011 patch for the Persian Persuader. I don't understand what the patch actually did so I don't know how to translate it. This is the patch in question: 'Added/Refined recoil/draw/crit/reload forces for the Persian Persuader.' Was the strenght of this weapon's knockback increased or was the animation changed? Or was it something else entirely. Thanks for the help, -Lord of Dominating (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure but I believe it's animation.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I'd say its animation, I doubt volvo would have increased knockback force without listing it somewhere in the stats, unless by some weird spaghetti code the knockback force was nerfed somehow. I assume because Demoman holds the Persian Persuader like the bottle, the animations looked weird compared to the other swords, so they changed it. Payn (talk) 00:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages

Hey, I wanted to ask how you move pages or images to other pages? I see the move log, and I've wondered how they work. Payn (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

More (top right of screen) > move. Keep in mind that a wrong move that needs to be undone is usually very messy, so if you're not 100% sure you should ask on the talk page first. Do note that every move you do creates a redirect, which needs to be marked for deletion.
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Help request for translation LUT for itemboxes

Hi! I am currently working on a LUT for itemboxes because I am currently reworking all the german pages because they are outdated. Long-story short I see how active you are and that you are also a semi-retired dutch translator. Could you do me a favor and please have a look at the LUT and check if the nl-version is correct? Thank you so much in advance for your time! CampeR (talk) 08:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

These are all correct except Mk.I and Mk.II, the K isn't capitalised. Also note that "verfeestelijkte" is only used if there's an item name after it (e.g. "verfeestelijkte knuppel" meaning festivized bat, there are some exceptions to this though), otherwise "verfeestelijkt" is used. "Roestige" is also not used for every item, the Sniper Rifle and Knife being the 2 exceptions (as well as generic "rust botkiller" translation). I noticed that on your Soda Popper edit, the "verfeestelijkte" should be "verfeestelijkt" as there is no item name after it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Understood, will change the page as well as the LUT accordingly. Thank you so so so much for your help. Massivly appreciate it! CampeR (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

I am not a bright person, thank you grampaswood for helping me with the image, i am often not smart about basic things. Rzzor (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

It's fine, don't worry, man people get it wrong.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about a Template

Hi! I was translating the page for the Lawnmaker cosmetic in Romanian but stumbled upon a template in the notes section that I don't know how to translate. This is the template in question: No Paint Diff|stylediff=Waterlogged Lab Coat|stylename=Job . Is there a place when I can put a "/ro" or must I use "l1=translation" ? The French translation left it untranslated so I don't know how to approach it. Thanks for the help, - Lord of Dominating (talk) 22:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

{{No Paint Diff}} <- edit this. Templates often contain translations on the page itself.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Is there a page that contains a list for all of these templates so that I may check it out if I ever find another untranslated one? -Lord of Dominating (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Everything within {{ }} is a template, and can be edited by visiting its respective page, which is "Template:text inside the brackets" (example: Template:No Paint Diff). - BrazilianNut (talk) 23:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
See this category, also see this page for a list of templates that are missing Romanian translations. Note that you're better off translating templates when they pop-up without translation, as some of these use strings from different places (such as the dictionary).
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Question about a patch

I'm currently translating the SMG page in Romanian and I found a patch witch I don't understand. This is the patch in question: "Added community contributed response rules to the SMG." What are community response rules? Thank you for your help as always -Lord of Dominating (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

IIRC response rules are when a character says voice lines, so it would be the critera that needs to be met for certain voice lines to play (for the SMG that would only be 1 line, see Sniper responses.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 14:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirect not working

I was updating the translation for the Left 4 Dead games and ran into a problem. For whatever reason, the Romanian Left 4 Dead 1 page is inaccessible and always redirects to the Left 4 Dead 2 page. Both pages were already created but the one for Left 4 Dead 1 contained information about Left 4 Dead 2. How do I fix this problem? -Lord of Dominating (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Visit this page.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 20:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

About the store payment premium method

I forgot to write it in the edit summary, but since the Mann Co. Store also includes the listings of SCM items such as cosmetic and warpaint cases, some players assume that this is still considered buying from the store. This also includes the fact that they are often told to buy the cheapest item, as we know most items bought from the store isn't exactly worth the money spent. Yes, SCM items have the "On Market" tag and "View on Market" button, but I still think this issue occurs enough times to mention this. - ZappyTwo (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

When you buy it from the store it doesn't include listings from the SCM, but it redirects you there. It also specifically mentions it's "on market", it's not really our responsibility to help people read tags that already exist.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 16:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)