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When editing Spy pages, keep in mind that the weapon name is "L'Etranger", not "the L'Etranger". The L and apostrophe are a French equivalent of  "the". So, writing "the L'Etranger" is the same as writing "the the Etranger". Sorry for the nitpick, but being fluent in French, this is an error that often frustrates me. --[[User:Szthesquid|Szthesquid]] 19:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Spy does not have an english accent in the french dub. ==
  
== Knife ==
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He has more of a multilingual way of speaking, this factoïd origniated from the surprising fact that he says "Oh my god" where all the other translations make him say "mon dieu" in fact he also says "my friend" and "gracias" etc. But in the french dub he doesn't have an english accent at all, more like a slightly catalan accent which would coincide with his NECA figure which according to a Marc Alfos interview, is more or less what the dubbing team got as description for the characters.
  
(Backstab: 450) The Knife deals more than 450 Dmg, it deals 6x of the enemys maximum healthpoints. This could be important, because Deadringer Spys sometimes can take more than 450 damage points. --[[User:Picard|Picard]] 08:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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[[User:Le TINTOUIN|Le TINTOUIN]] ([[User talk:Le TINTOUIN|talk]]) 00:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
: You are correct, editted --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::Another thing I noticed :D
 
:::''"Ironically, the Spy is voiced by Dennis Bateman, the same VA as the Pyro, his second worst enemy."''
 
::Who is the Spys worst enemy? Because the Sniper isnt the worst Enemy of the Spy, but the Spy is the worst enemy of the Sniper. --[[User:Picard|Picard]] 21:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::: I guess "Enemy" is referring to the one he hates the most. I don't like the line at all though. --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 21:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:''"The Spy appears to have separate voices for BLU and RED as the RED Spy has a lower, raspier voice."'' Does he? Is this referring only to voices of the spies in Valve machinima? I had never noticed. --[[User:A Sassy Dog|A Sassy Dog]] 15:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:: Removed until proof is provided -[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 16:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I did notice that the spy has two distinct intonations, but I don't think they're specific to team color. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 16:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::::The red spy does speak in a lower voice. In Meet the Spy you can tell the difference. [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 01:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::Only in his 'Meet The...' video. In gameplay, there is no difference between the two teams. This tidbit is listed on the 'Meet The Spy' page, which I reckon is more appropriate than having it here. [[User:Alphard|Alphard]] 15:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:If you can link the interview in the edit summary, feel free to remove/replace it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Is there any source of his name?--[[User:DCybertron|DCybertron]] 01:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
: Nope --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
: His name is Philippe Lefebvre! Just watch OSS 117: Le Caire nid d'espions [[User:DWM91|DWM91]] 18:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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::I couldn't find it it's maybe still on youtube but it's an old video only in my memories. However the fact that he doesn't have an english accent in french is a sufficient proof, I can show you on discord recording of what an english accent sounds like in french. It's far from what we have. I'm asking for permission to remove this for the moment and add the fact that he has a light catalan accent later when someone can confirm with me. <br> [[User:Le TINTOUIN|Le TINTOUIN]] ([[User talk:Le TINTOUIN|talk]]) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Should we mention the Gentlemen meme in trivia? [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 01:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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::(EDIT) I just found two interviews of Serge Thiriet the voice actor of the french dub, but he doesn't seem to talk much about TF2 you can watch them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoFE794IT8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPtflC3AcA [[User:Le TINTOUIN|Le TINTOUIN]] ([[User talk:Le TINTOUIN|talk]]) 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: [[Memes]] --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:::I confirmed with a French Cap holder that confirmed the lack of an English accent so feel free to remove it. Though the Catalan accent doesn't seem obvious, so that doesn't need to be added.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
At point blank Revolver deals 60 damage, Ambassador 51 and L'Etranger 48. Checked 10/15/2010. --[[User:Onotole|Onotole]] 00:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 
:I'm not sure what information you're trying to correct as those values are already listed (albeit as ranges) in the articles for each of those weapons. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 01:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Trivia ==
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== Spy appears to use the "With Helmet" style of the Brainiac Hairpiece when disguising as a engineer with the cosmetic equipped if the engineer is wearing the "Without Helmet" style. ==
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It's a minor bug in the grand scheme of things, but perhaps it should be added to the page, even more so if this happens with other items(although I believe it may only happen with older items if this is the case), due to the possible gameplay ramifications. I currently don't have any proof on hand, but I do recall it happening when I was using the item.
  
Regarding the current second to last trivia ("Before the Spy update..."): it ends with the statement '"As his voice lines are said in a calm collected manner, this gives him a split personality."' This seems rather like a stretch, but I'm new here and don't want to edit something out of existence based solely on my judgement (yet). Can someone else sound off on this or just jump in and delete it? Thanks. [[User:Scurve|Scurve]] 07:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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[[User:TheFusingCookie|TheFusingCookie]] ([[User talk:TheFusingCookie|talk]]) 05:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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:This bug already appears with another cosmetic on [[Disguise]]. If you can find proof of more cosmetics having this happen, that one can then be changed ot a general bug about styles.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:57, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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::Interesting, if I had to guess this might be a general bug with hats that remove the default hat of the class that they're on through a style, or at least in the case of older hats. Since Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe match this, I might test that, along with The Professor's Peculiarity to see the inverse, and possibly a newer hat if I can find one that uses this type of formatting for its styles, although I think that most hats with styles that remove hats add them back in the second style instead of having the hat in the first, possibly to prevent this very bug.
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::[[User:TheFusingCookie|TheFusingCookie]] ([[User talk:TheFusingCookie|talk]]) 15:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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:::I'm not sure what the default style is, but I suspect it either uses the first style, uses the style that corresponds with the team (e.g. RED uses first style and BLU uses second style, that's how bugs happen with the [[Box Trot]] and the Australium Knife), or it just simply ignores bodygroup-hiding styles.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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::::I can only assume it's a classic case of Source weirdness, and somehow the words "Without Helmet" have put a curse upon any item with it that makes the helmet appear on Spy, because the two other items I tested(The Professor's Peculiarity and Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe)work fine. I probably won't add the bug on the Disguise page, but I will probably add it on the Brainiac Hairpiece's page.
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::::[[User:TheFusingCookie|TheFusingCookie]] ([[User talk:TheFusingCookie|talk]]) 15:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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:::::It's probably just because disguises use the default bodygroup. If you can confirm it with the Brainiac's Hairpiece, it would be better to change the bug on the Disguise page instead. I can try and do some testing myself later.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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::::::Very well, I can cite an image with the bug on the page if need be.
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::::::[[User:TheFusingCookie|TheFusingCookie]] ([[User talk:TheFusingCookie|talk]]) 06:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

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Spy does not have an english accent in the french dub.

He has more of a multilingual way of speaking, this factoïd origniated from the surprising fact that he says "Oh my god" where all the other translations make him say "mon dieu" in fact he also says "my friend" and "gracias" etc. But in the french dub he doesn't have an english accent at all, more like a slightly catalan accent which would coincide with his NECA figure which according to a Marc Alfos interview, is more or less what the dubbing team got as description for the characters.

Le TINTOUIN (talk) 00:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

If you can link the interview in the edit summary, feel free to remove/replace it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
I couldn't find it it's maybe still on youtube but it's an old video only in my memories. However the fact that he doesn't have an english accent in french is a sufficient proof, I can show you on discord recording of what an english accent sounds like in french. It's far from what we have. I'm asking for permission to remove this for the moment and add the fact that he has a light catalan accent later when someone can confirm with me.
Le TINTOUIN (talk) 18:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
(EDIT) I just found two interviews of Serge Thiriet the voice actor of the french dub, but he doesn't seem to talk much about TF2 you can watch them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoFE794IT8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPtflC3AcA Le TINTOUIN (talk) 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
I confirmed with a French Cap holder that confirmed the lack of an English accent so feel free to remove it. Though the Catalan accent doesn't seem obvious, so that doesn't need to be added.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Spy appears to use the "With Helmet" style of the Brainiac Hairpiece when disguising as a engineer with the cosmetic equipped if the engineer is wearing the "Without Helmet" style.

It's a minor bug in the grand scheme of things, but perhaps it should be added to the page, even more so if this happens with other items(although I believe it may only happen with older items if this is the case), due to the possible gameplay ramifications. I currently don't have any proof on hand, but I do recall it happening when I was using the item.

TheFusingCookie (talk) 05:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

This bug already appears with another cosmetic on Disguise. If you can find proof of more cosmetics having this happen, that one can then be changed ot a general bug about styles.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:57, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Interesting, if I had to guess this might be a general bug with hats that remove the default hat of the class that they're on through a style, or at least in the case of older hats. Since Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe match this, I might test that, along with The Professor's Peculiarity to see the inverse, and possibly a newer hat if I can find one that uses this type of formatting for its styles, although I think that most hats with styles that remove hats add them back in the second style instead of having the hat in the first, possibly to prevent this very bug.
TheFusingCookie (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the default style is, but I suspect it either uses the first style, uses the style that corresponds with the team (e.g. RED uses first style and BLU uses second style, that's how bugs happen with the Box Trot and the Australium Knife), or it just simply ignores bodygroup-hiding styles.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
I can only assume it's a classic case of Source weirdness, and somehow the words "Without Helmet" have put a curse upon any item with it that makes the helmet appear on Spy, because the two other items I tested(The Professor's Peculiarity and Lord Cockswain's Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe)work fine. I probably won't add the bug on the Disguise page, but I will probably add it on the Brainiac Hairpiece's page.
TheFusingCookie (talk) 15:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
It's probably just because disguises use the default bodygroup. If you can confirm it with the Brainiac's Hairpiece, it would be better to change the bug on the Disguise page instead. I can try and do some testing myself later.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Very well, I can cite an image with the bug on the page if need be.
TheFusingCookie (talk) 06:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)