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[[User:Jew|Jew]] ([[User talk:Jew|talk]]) 19:31, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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: That is exactly what is needed, new pages (focus on the most used, like items and recent updates). Grammar is not big issue, unless it is very bad. Linking (and staying in current language's pages) is however very important. Nice to see you creating new pages, keep it up! -- [[User:Keisari|Keisari]] [[File:BottleScreen.png|24px|link=User_talk:Keisari]] 02:14, 27 July 2015 (PDT)

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Hello, Jew!

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Once again, welcome to the Team Fortress 2 Wiki!

-- WelcomeBOT (talk) 04:48, 1 January 2015 (PST)

Is it possible to earn the Wiki Cap without actually meeting all of the eligibility criteria?

I'm just curious, because I'd like to actually get one some day, but the thing is that i'm only good at translating articles. I'm not really interested to regularly visit IRC or discussion channels ect. I am able to translate whole articles quite regularly, but is that actually enough?

Jew (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2015 (PST)

That is up to the Wiki Community really. If other translators or users see that your work is good in both quality and content, then you may be nominated. (We do check translations via STS mods by the way).

Although it is highly encouraged to atleast communicate with others of the community. It makes things a bit easier with edits or distribution of work. Ashes (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2015 (PST)

Glad to hear that there is at least a chance. So far I have been translating, during this year, one article per day into Finnish, and have checked the Finnish translation discussion, but the people there have not been too active reentely (might be because of the holidays). Thanks for the answer by the way; it cleared out any doubts. Jew (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2015 (PST)

Li'l fix

Ohai, I just fixed one of your translations. Please translate all links and use the en-sound=yes parameter in the {{quotation}} template to show the sound is English. Thank you ~
{ TidB | t | c | wt } 12:39, 5 January 2015 (PST)

Much appreciated! I'll try to fix those for now on; I'm still quite new here so any help is welcome. I might have left a bit of a mess in my articles, but I have tried to at least create a basis for other, more experienced writers/editors like you. Thanks again.

Jew (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2015 (PST)

Help:Language Translation into Finnish

I was just wondering if that could be translated into any other language, because it could help some new users, who do not understand that much English, to understand the content of the page a bit better. I would be at least ready to try that, but I'm not sure if it is actually allowed.

Jew (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2015 (PST)

This help page shouldn't be translated, as translators are expected to know enough English to understand the contents of the article. For example, see the deleted Russian version and its deletion reason. For a more detailed reasoning, see User talk:Aris. { TidB | t | c | wt } 04:53, 8 January 2015 (PST)

Thanks for the quick reply. It's a shame, but no can do. Thanks for clearing that up.

Jew (talk) 05:55, 8 January 2015 (PST)

Logged out after a while

I have experienced this quite a few times, when I have been translating long articles: several times, when I have been editing an article for like an hour or so (could be longer), I get logged out from the wiki, and have lost all of my work, because when I log back in, all my progress is gone. I have learnt to cope with it by copying all my work before actually saving my progree, but I have to mention it, because it can be extremely frustrating after working for a while. Am I the only one experiencing this?

Jew (talk) 11:08, 9 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 11:08, 9 January 2015 (PST)

It's a bit strange, but you might want to check your browser's cookie settings. I'm not actually sure if this is the cause of the problem, but well... you should also try editing offline completely; that's recommended when you come to the really big articles (like community strategies). Personally, I just edit small articles (e.g. cosmetics) in the browser directly.
{ TidB | t | c | wt } 11:15, 9 January 2015 (PST)

Right. I'll try to do that. Thansk for the incredibly fast reply once again.

Jew (talk) 11:29, 9 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 11:29, 9 January 2015 (PST)

Found a typo/grammar mistake in one of the ingame cosmetics

When I was translating End of the Line Update article, I noticed that one of the cosmetic items, End of the Line Update Medal, is translated incorrectly into Finnish. In Finnish it should be 'End of the Line -yhteisömitalli', but in game the word 'mitalli' is missing one 'l' letter. So is it possible to inform Valve about that?

Jew (talk) 06:57, 10 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 06:57, 10 January 2015 (PST)

The STS is responsible for the translation of Valve's games and Steam (and some third-party games). You can either inform a moderator of them (see the admins on the Steam group) or directly join the STS by submitting an application-like translation. btw, some things on End of the Line Update/fi I have fixed:
  1. Don't use {{trans}} when a page is already fully translated, it's purpose is to indicate pages which are in the progress of being translated.
  2. Be sure to use {{item name}} and {{item link}} more. On this article, this might be not a big problem, as all item names are already translated, but on new updates, as the names are about to be translated soon, leading to unnecessary edits.
  3. Some thing you might consider changing is always linking to the Finnish name, e.g. [[Pakkaspipo]]. If you do it like this, you have to create the real page Coldsnap Cap and the redirect on the page before. So please just use {{item link}} and in case the item is not the target, the usual [[EnglishPageTitle/fi|FinnishCaption]]
  4. Please translate everything; some strings were missing, like the Notes in the tables.
  5. Use {{lang icon|en}} to indicate an external link is linking to an English page.
  6. Categories aren't translated, just append a /fi at the end.
I'd also recommend you joining the IRC. I know you don't have this in mind, but posting on your own talk page isn't the best way to communicate to others. Otherwise, you can also add me on Steam ;)
{ TidB | t | c | wt } 07:28, 10 January 2015 (PST)

Once again thanks for the quick reply. And also thanks for the tips; I have gone through that help page quite a few times and I have tried to get all those things right. For now on I really have to pay a lot more attention to all those minor details. So thanks alot for the great tips and being ready to answer my reply. I would try to ask these things form the Finnish Group in the wiki, but they seldom are active.

Jew (talk) 07:37, 10 January 2015 (PST)JewJew (talk) 07:37, 10 January 2015 (PST)

Well, the Finnish section has iirc just one other active member, Zabidenu who's also a mod. And as long as you don't need help specific to the Finnish language, everyone can help you.
{ TidB | t | c | wt } 07:40, 10 January 2015 (PST)
Since I haven't posted enough on your talk page yet, I just want to show you a tool for partial translation that's useful for item (set) pages: here. Thanks to Zabidenu, it's already almost translated to Finnish, but there are still some strings left. { TidB | t | c | wt } 06:32, 12 January 2015 (PST)
Alright, regarding my WikiTranslator again, I've inserted the most annoying parts of the strings so there are just few strings left to translate which are used for item set articles (and some string need an update, but that's not that important). I saw your item page translations and you might wanna use my tool as it helps you avoiding the mistakes you made. I don't have the time for writing a lengthy review right now, but just one thing: don't use DISPLAYTITLE on item pages (you have to use it on item set pages, though) { TidB | t | c | wt } 02:15, 14 January 2015 (PST)

Right. I shall check it ASAP. Thanks. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jew (talk) • (contribs)

Now I've got time on my hands, here's a complete review with an example edit here (and please don't check the next revisions, I was kinda, err.. let's call it confused):
  1. Don't forget about the translatable things inside templates; this is a major issue in the {{item infobox}}. Translate the links in it as well as the level, description, loadout name and flag sections. Be sure to use the official translation of these, unofficial ones aren't allowed. If the string is not available through an official channel, place the English one for a time.
  2. As there are no Finnish voice lines, add the en-sound=yes parameter in the {{Quotation}} template.
  3. Don't forget the links in brackets in the update history.
  4. Now a special feature: The localization of Wikipedia links. The standard form you'll encounter is this: [[w:EnglishPageTitle|EnglishCaption]] (you may also see {{w|EnglishPageTitle}} but it shouldn't be used anymore). If the Finnish version of the Wikipedia article exists, make this: [[w:fi:FinnishPageTitle|FinnishCaption]]. If the page doesn't exist, you have a choice since there hasn't been any conclusion yet: You can remove the link entirely (that's how I do it), you can link to the English page or you can link to the not-existing Finnish page (both aren't recommended as you're effectively stealing the reader's time).
  5. Don't use the loadout-name parameter in the infobox if the name displayed in-game is the same as in the {{Dictionary}}.
  6. Note that wikilinks are (sometimes) build like this: [[Page#Anchor|Caption}}. If you're now using [[Page#Anchor/fi|Caption]], it still links to the English page. Do [[Page/fi#Anchor|Caption]] instead.
  7. Don't forget the translation of headlines.
So I guess I've taken over the talk page :P
{ TidB | t | c | wt } 06:16, 14 January 2015 (PST)

Thank you so much for having time to actually create a good example of how to actually do it right; I have a tendency to learn better after seeing an example first before applying them in practice. And for some unknown reasons, some text (that are in English) remain even though I remove them (the translation of the description for example), but I do make some careless mistakes in my edits. I shall now try to use your new tips as much as I possibly can. So thanks again. And it indeed appears that you run my talk page.


Täällä tosiaan ollaan moderaattorina, jos apua kaipailet. Noilla TidBn mainitsemilla asioilla päästään jo pitkälle, ja suosittelen tosiaan pistäytymään IRC:iin - keskustelusivullesi postaaminen voi välillä viedä oman aikansa ennen kuin vastaus kuuluu. PS - se tosiaan on "mitali" ;) User Zabidenu sig.png (contribstalk) 01:36, 12 January 2015 (PST)

Kiitos kiitos yhteydenotosta. Hyvinhän toi aiempi kaveri on auttanu, että suur kiitos hälle ja kiitos nyt kun säkin yhteyttä otit. Onhan täällä wikissä postaaminen vähän hölmöä, kun on nykyisin kaikki IRCit ja sellaiset, mutta kun se on vaan itelle sellainen juttu, ettei se hirveesti innostais. Ja ompa kyllä kumma kumman kuuloinen toi 'mitali', mutta eipä voi mitään, kun kerran sivistyssana on; ei ole vaan aiemmin tullu vastaan. Kiitoksia nyt sullekin taas kerran. Jew (talk) 01:42, 12 January 2015 (PST)
Kukin tavallaan totta kai. Jossei IRC iske, niin ei sekään maailmanloppu ole - mulle (ja veikkaan myös, että suurimmalle osalle muustakin porukasta) passaa varsin hyvin pelkkä keskustelusivuilla kommunikointi. :D Ja mitäs tuosta, mukava olla avuksi. (taas PS - yksi allekirjoitus (~~~~) riittää :D) User Zabidenu sig.png (contribstalk) 01:48, 12 January 2015 (PST)

Niinpä. Ja olen aina, suuressa viisaudessani että allekirjoitukseen tarvitaan nuo 4 'tildeä' nimen molemmille puolille, joten kiitos.

Jew (talk) 06:47, 12 January 2015 (PST)


Wikichievement Awarded by Reason
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Parlez-Vous Français?
Provide help translating the Team Fortress Wiki to your language.

Gabrielwoj Wikichievement unlocked!
Well translated a lot of pages in English to Finnish. Just don't "Finish" it yet!
User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 06:14, 14 January 2015 (PST)

Thanks, Gabrielwoj! I really appreciate that even if I don't know you. And nice pun you got there. I'm sorry for not thanking you earlier.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by jew (talk) • (contribs)

No problem. User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 07:07, 16 January 2015 (PST)


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Tark Wikichievement unlocked!
For all these translations, keep up the good work! The stats are awesome.

-By your friend (or not) File:User Tark sig.jpgFile:User Tark sig2.jpgFile:User Tark sig3.jpgFile:User Tark sig4.jpg 04:48, 22 January 2015 (PST)

Thank you, Tark! I really appreciate what you did! Jew (talk) 05:26, 22 January 2015 (PST)

How many contributions are you required to make to get the Wiki Cap?

Now I know that earning the Wiki Cap requires dedication, being helpful and communication with the community (there are many other things too), but if we consider just contributions than how many would be enough? I have only been here for a month or so and know that it will take some time to earn it, but I'm just a bit curious.

--Jew (talk) 06:12, 3 February 2015 (PST)

The # of contributions (AKA Edit count and what not) is kind of irrelevant. The only way to determine whether or not you are eligible to even be nominated is based on how well your translations are, and how long you actually are on the wiki over an extended period of time. (Do note: translations are checked with STS mods so your will is evaluated). Ashes (talk) 06:47, 3 February 2015 (PST)

Right. Is there actually any way to see that, because that would be kinda helpful. Thanks anyway for the quick reply.

--Jew (talk) 06:55, 3 February 2015 (PST)

See what exactly? The edit count or quality? If its quality, you'll have to contact an STS admin on your own for that one. Ashes (talk) 07:01, 3 February 2015 (PST)

Thanks --Jew (talk) 07:17, 3 February 2015 (PST)

About Finnish moderators and moderatios in general


I read about this Dutch editor here in the wiki (the discussion can be found in the wikicap nomination page) and I became a little bit worried about the thing he pointed out. He said that in order to actually get the wiki cap people, or moderators, had to actually read the articles and asses their quality, but the problem was for him that there were not really too many active members who could actually read Dutch. And that got me a little bit worried because he had been making some good quality contributions for over a year. And I have not really seen too many users who are contributing to the Finnish part of the wiki for a while, although there are some, but they are not moderators. And I don't believe that there are too manu users from other countries that can properly read Finnish, but I can be wrong about this. Now I don't want to sound like I want recognition for my work, that is not the case even if I might sound like that. It just would be reassuring to hear that at least someone is reading and assessing them for feedback.

--Jew (talk) 11:05, 4 May 2015 (PDT)

Great that you are translating the Finnish version of the wiki. If time comes to review your translation quality, I am available for that job (contact the moderation team and point this comment to them). Currently there are some improvements to be done in your work, as some of your translated articles do not have proper linking [1]. -- Keisari BottleScreen.png 13:25, 22 July 2015 (PDT)


Thank you for the reply and sorry for not answering earlier! It is nice to hear that there are still some Finns left here. And thank you for volunteering for reviewing my articles; I know that my biggest problem is with links, especially in the infobox most of the time. This is mostly because, for me, the editing tutorial is not really too clear, I don't know why. Some of the links also tend to be incorrect or marked red because they do not exist yet, but I believe you already know that Therefore, I have aimed to concentrate more on actually creating the Finnish versions of those pages and making the bulk of the work, which is in this case translating them so that others can eventually refine them by correcting all the spelling errors and other mistakes. I aim to make them as grammatically correct as I can, but there always tend to be some spelling errors.

Jew (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2015 (PDT)

That is exactly what is needed, new pages (focus on the most used, like items and recent updates). Grammar is not big issue, unless it is very bad. Linking (and staying in current language's pages) is however very important. Nice to see you creating new pages, keep it up! -- Keisari BottleScreen.png 02:14, 27 July 2015 (PDT)