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== New Turkish Translator ==
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==Well, another problem...==
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Hi, Seb. I have another thing that need your help. Yesterday the zh-hant Wiki had a new guy called [[User:Lockon|Lockon]], however he has brought a lot of trouble. First, he changed the names of items without any permission, notice or discussion. Then he ignored and deleted my waring about changing the names. He claimed that his act was trying to "make his talk page looks better". Actually, what he said was totally rubbish. The last one, which is the most unacceptable one, is that he translated the pages [[(A)Symmetry CP Contest/zh-hant‎]] and [[Dustbowl (Training)/zh-hant‎]] '''with the use of automated translation tool'''. I can easily confirm that, and my partner jcmbmhitacid can prove the point for me. Lockon used the translation tools, made the whole format of pages a mess, did not use the "show preview" button, and of course, ignore others' warning and trying to pretend that everything was normal. Therefore I strongly insist that Seb should '''block user Lockon from further editing permanently''', or he shall make more trouble and inconvenience for the editors in the zh-hant Wiki.<br>Thanks for your understanding and help, but be careful with Lockon's behavior, due to his ''own'' consideration of having no problems at all.
  
Hi, Seb. I just wanted to draw your attention to a new translator-in-the-making - [[user:Memre98|Memre98]]. He's very keen to help but needs a little nudge to get started - I've pointed him towards the translation help pages but as I'm no expert on using any of the templates there I thought you would be a better source of guidance. We also need your help on another matter - there is an issue with the tables on the [[Spy/tr]] page which he has asked me to fix. Again, as I'm inexperienced with this kind of thing I'm finding it very difficult to figure out which line of code to change to fix it. Do you think you could take a look at it yourself? Thanks for any help =) '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 10:18, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 18:49, 11 February 2012 (PST)
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:'''RE:''' I see that, thanks for your assist :). [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 19:26, 11 February 2012 (PST)
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* '''~www~''', i had taken your advise for not using any translation tools from yesterday, and today i added some missing photos which should have been there[[Merc_Medal/zh-hant]]. Also i did a page without any translation tools which is the [[Aerial/zh-hant]] so i hope you please consider i have taken your complains and improved it thank you.
  
== Wikichievement Unlocked! ==
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[[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 09:03, 14 February 2012 (PST) Lockon
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::You called that translating? You copied [[Aerial/zh-hant]] from zh-hans![[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 09:26, 14 February 2012 (PST)
  
{{Award Wikichievement
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Chinese Simplify and Chinese Traditional is the same pal{{Cross}}, its just different writing, one is easier to write and also its not all the same, also check it agian some items or classes like is changed by me zh-hans: Soldier = 士兵 and zh-hant: Soldier 火箭兵
| wikichievement = Haxtinguisher
 
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| reason        = For undoing [[Special:Contributions/Drpepperjones|Drpepperjones]]'s autotranslations.
 
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{{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:16, 3 September 2011 (PDT)
 
  
== Keep your eyes on ScoutKast ==
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[[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 09:53, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
  
I have no idea why im saying this but just do that, he has been good lately by posting new pictures and stuff but he is also readding em. Hope you will watch over his activities...we all do. [[File:Stunned.png|45px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#990099 ">The Noble Scout</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Ravecrib9t4|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ravecrib9t4|C]])</sub></sub>  05:07, 11 September 2011 (PDT)
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==Further problems==
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1.Lockon keeps on doing unnecessary edits to zh-hant. For example, He was doing pointless changes to zh-hant pages, copied the article ''from zh-hans'' and made it as a contribution, or kept placing <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> to anyone who are new to wiki, even though he himself are a new guy, I don't even know if there's a real account where he put <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki>. Frankly, I suggest blocking him, quickly, or he will do more things that he claims "contribution to wiki".
  
== WebAPI ==
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2.Same problem, different day, User [[User:Bestipod|Bestipod]] was coping the zh-hant pages (5 pages for now) and converted it into zh-hans. Could need your help to delete the pages.
  
Could you review why my edit on [[WebAPI]] keeps getting reverted? Among other things, I am bolding the title of the article like articles are supposed to be. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 21:08, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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3.Actually, after being copied for many many times, I am angry, tired, exhausted of their acts. I don't think I can take it anymore. I really wish there's a solution of stopping these acts forever.<br>Really apperciate your help, Seb. [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 08:51, 14 February 2012 (PST)
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:I'd like to ask a related question - setting aside the fact that zh-hant is not the same as zh-hans, is there actually any rule against copying the content of a page? As far as I'm concerned, any information posted on the wiki is free for public use so can be copied anywhere - excepting of course images and such which have licenses attached. From what I can tell the issue with Bestipod is not that he made bad translations, but that his source material was ~www~'s work. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 09:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)
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:: There are no rules/laws against copying wiki work. This is why some content could be migrated from the old Wiki here and why the fact that some of the pages here are copied directly over there are not punishable. --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 10:04, 14 February 2012 (PST)
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:::So you guys are saying that it's OK to let zh-hans coping our works without any efforts of translating the pages from scratch?[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:06, 14 February 2012 (PST)
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:::: I never said that. In the case of these translations, it is NOT ok. The problem is not in the copying of another's work, but in the usage of the incorrect language on an article. I am simply clarifying where the issue is. --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 10:08, 14 February 2012 (PST)
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:::::Understand you meaning. However Firestorm, you should know that the coping done by zh-hans translators is always a trouble to all zh-hant translators.[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:17, 14 February 2012 (PST)
  
:It is likely to be because you keep changing every instance of 'Web API' and 'API key' to 'WebAPI' and 'WebAPI Key' as well as bolding the title - this is incorrect and reads awkwardly. I would imagine that there would be no problem with you bolding the title, but changing anything else like what I just said would really not be helpful to the article (even if it is considered 'correct') [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 23:48, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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== 我是冤枉的 ==
::"Web API" is not the same as "WebAPI"? I am just copying the title of the article. If "WebAPI" is incorrect, then it should be moved to "Web API". If they are two different things, then nevermind. I didn't change "API key" to "WebAPI Key". That was an older edit. I changed "API key" to "WebAPI key" due to what I mentioned earlier. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 23:58, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
 
:::WebAPI and Web API are referring to the same thing, which is exactly the reason why no instance of either needs to be altered or 'fixed', including the article title. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:00, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
 
::::In the same manner, it shouldn't be "reverted". It is like telling the user "That was a minor non-problem and was there already, therefore it is grandfathered in. By the way, catching minor things in articles is bad. Unless you did the error, in which case it will be reverted in order to confuse you to the Nth degree on how to edit". [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 00:16, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
 
:::::It is not a problem having the title 'WebAPI' and referring to it as 'API' or 'Web API'. Changing the words every time the API key is mentioned to 'WebAPI key' when 'API key' or even just 'key' suffices is not helpful and is even less helpful when it's much more wordier and harder to read like that. I think it would be good if you understood that the majority of issues people have with your edits are because while being 'correct' in whatever circumstance they don't actually help the article and in some cases they make it worse. It is important to weigh the two factors when editing, as making the article better for the reader is often more important than the ensuring the article's contents have been correctly bolded or capitalized. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:27, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
 
  
== Phrases colored in articles ==
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1 我是一个TF2的爱好者,我使用简体汉语。
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2 我们只是文字上的不同,在使用上简体汉字和繁体汉字几乎没有差别。{{Cross}}
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3 我希望您公正的看待这一问题,WIKI是一个贡献社区,我并没有抄袭任何人的。
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4 我希望管理员您能继续让我为TF2 WIKI做贡献。
  
I was wondering what you thought of having in-game phrases in articles colored. For example, "...will have the words 'Critical Hit!!!' (Or 'Mini-Crit!' respectively) appear over their head in green letters..." would be changed to "...will have the words <span style="color:Green">Critical Hit!!!</span> (Or <span style="color:Green">Mini-Crit!</span> respectively) appear over their head in green letters...." [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 22:23, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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==To Bestipod & Lockon==
:(Sven strolls in off the street, seeing this interesting idea by watching the Recent changes page) I'd just like to be the first to point out that, while it would be a nice addition to the wiki, it's an amazingly time consuming idea. All of the articles that mention those words, in every language currently supported here, would need the change. So unless there was a bot/script to do the work, it seems like an enormous project with little change being made in the process. My two cents. [[User:Sven|Sven]] 22:36, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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I can firmly say that zh-hant and zh-hans are '''totally different'''. I am tired to argue this old issue, I say that we leave the judgment to the top admins.[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:01, 14 February 2012 (PST)
::In case this helps, it would only be quoted in-game phrases. For example, "A critical hit is when..." would not be changed, but "You will see 'Critical Hit!!!' appear over a player's character if..." would be changed. I don't think there are that many of those kind of sentences in articles. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 22:49, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
 
:::I think this would be too much. Colour generally should not be used in body text like this [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 23:23, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
 
::::Okay. I was just wondering because I have seen other wikis use it to supposedly make their articles "better", at least to themselves. :) [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 23:26, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
 
  
==82 days ago==
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Ok, your still the old member around here you can decide
What? --[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 01:11, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
 
  
== balloon race page ==
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[[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 10:16, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
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i am do my work very hard ,because they are'''totally different''', [[User:Bestipod|Bestipod]]
  
Just a quick question, why was the balloon race page not considered for a community map? there are currently 2 balloon levels, and around 5-6 servers that run those maps at least 2 of them 24/7[[User:Nibelhim|Nibelhim]] 06:25, 27 September 2011 (PDT)
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I have posted a topic at [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#zh translation]] relating to this. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 12:25, 14 February 2012 (PST)
  
== Query ==
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Thx for the solution of the chinese wiki
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[[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 12:41, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
  
Shouldn't instances of pages with (Classic) after them actually have (classic) instead? I noticed that everything else uses that method like (disambiguation), (game mode), etc. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 09:24, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
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==The future of zh-hant==
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Seb, it's ~www~. After a few days of thinking, I think I need to discuss something critical about zh-hant with you on Steam privately. I don't know when can I contact you, so I guess that Saturday or Sunday night will be fine? [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 07:39, 17 February 2012 (PST)
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== Hi seb ==
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Hi seb, lockon told me to find you for advise for editing and translating (check his discussion to see). I wan't to ask how to translate a good quality piece or edit a good quality piece of work?
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[[User:Spytron|Spytron]] 01:47, 18 February 2012 (PST)Spytron
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== Cleaning policy of your own talk page ==
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As you've been away for a rather long time, I wanted to inform you that policy about cleaning your own talk page has changed; you can now clean it up. I thought that maybe I should tell you when that kind of spam post was posted into your talk page, so you can get rid of it if you want.
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: I can assure you that removing of spam was never disallowed, only the removal of warnings and cautions from staff. &ndash; [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 04:28, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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== Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0 ==
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A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Cap/Nominations#Emergency meeting 1.0|this]]. Seb26, please provide some feedback! [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 05:14, 18 May 2016


Well, another problem...

Hi, Seb. I have another thing that need your help. Yesterday the zh-hant Wiki had a new guy called Lockon, however he has brought a lot of trouble. First, he changed the names of items without any permission, notice or discussion. Then he ignored and deleted my waring about changing the names. He claimed that his act was trying to "make his talk page looks better". Actually, what he said was totally rubbish. The last one, which is the most unacceptable one, is that he translated the pages (A)Symmetry CP Contest/zh-hant‎ and Dustbowl (Training)/zh-hant‎ with the use of automated translation tool. I can easily confirm that, and my partner jcmbmhitacid can prove the point for me. Lockon used the translation tools, made the whole format of pages a mess, did not use the "show preview" button, and of course, ignore others' warning and trying to pretend that everything was normal. Therefore I strongly insist that Seb should block user Lockon from further editing permanently, or he shall make more trouble and inconvenience for the editors in the zh-hant Wiki.
Thanks for your understanding and help, but be careful with Lockon's behavior, due to his own consideration of having no problems at all.

~www~ 18:49, 11 February 2012 (PST)

RE: I see that, thanks for your assist :). ~www~ 19:26, 11 February 2012 (PST)
  • ~www~, i had taken your advise for not using any translation tools from yesterday, and today i added some missing photos which should have been thereMerc_Medal/zh-hant. Also i did a page without any translation tools which is the Aerial/zh-hant so i hope you please consider i have taken your complains and improved it thank you.

Lockon 09:03, 14 February 2012 (PST) Lockon

You called that translating? You copied Aerial/zh-hant from zh-hans!~www~ 09:26, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Chinese Simplify and Chinese Traditional is the same palPictogram cross.png , its just different writing, one is easier to write and also its not all the same, also check it agian some items or classes like is changed by me zh-hans: Soldier = 士兵 and zh-hant: Soldier 火箭兵

Lockon 09:53, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

Further problems

1.Lockon keeps on doing unnecessary edits to zh-hant. For example, He was doing pointless changes to zh-hant pages, copied the article from zh-hans and made it as a contribution, or kept placing {{subst:welcome}} to anyone who are new to wiki, even though he himself are a new guy, I don't even know if there's a real account where he put {{subst:welcome}}. Frankly, I suggest blocking him, quickly, or he will do more things that he claims "contribution to wiki".

2.Same problem, different day, User Bestipod was coping the zh-hant pages (5 pages for now) and converted it into zh-hans. Could need your help to delete the pages.

3.Actually, after being copied for many many times, I am angry, tired, exhausted of their acts. I don't think I can take it anymore. I really wish there's a solution of stopping these acts forever.
Really apperciate your help, Seb. ~www~ 08:51, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I'd like to ask a related question - setting aside the fact that zh-hant is not the same as zh-hans, is there actually any rule against copying the content of a page? As far as I'm concerned, any information posted on the wiki is free for public use so can be copied anywhere - excepting of course images and such which have licenses attached. From what I can tell the issue with Bestipod is not that he made bad translations, but that his source material was ~www~'s work. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 09:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)
There are no rules/laws against copying wiki work. This is why some content could be migrated from the old Wiki here and why the fact that some of the pages here are copied directly over there are not punishable. --User Firestorm Flame.png Firestorm 10:04, 14 February 2012 (PST)
So you guys are saying that it's OK to let zh-hans coping our works without any efforts of translating the pages from scratch?~www~ 10:06, 14 February 2012 (PST)
I never said that. In the case of these translations, it is NOT ok. The problem is not in the copying of another's work, but in the usage of the incorrect language on an article. I am simply clarifying where the issue is. --User Firestorm Flame.png Firestorm 10:08, 14 February 2012 (PST)
Understand you meaning. However Firestorm, you should know that the coping done by zh-hans translators is always a trouble to all zh-hant translators.~www~ 10:17, 14 February 2012 (PST)

我是冤枉的

1 我是一个TF2的爱好者,我使用简体汉语。 2 我们只是文字上的不同,在使用上简体汉字和繁体汉字几乎没有差别。Pictogram cross.png  3 我希望您公正的看待这一问题,WIKI是一个贡献社区,我并没有抄袭任何人的。 4 我希望管理员您能继续让我为TF2 WIKI做贡献。

To Bestipod & Lockon

I can firmly say that zh-hant and zh-hans are totally different. I am tired to argue this old issue, I say that we leave the judgment to the top admins.~www~ 10:01, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Ok, your still the old member around here you can decide

Lockon 10:16, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

i am do my work very hard ,because they aretotally different, Bestipod

I have posted a topic at Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#zh translation relating to this. seb26 12:25, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Thx for the solution of the chinese wiki Lockon 12:41, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

The future of zh-hant

Seb, it's ~www~. After a few days of thinking, I think I need to discuss something critical about zh-hant with you on Steam privately. I don't know when can I contact you, so I guess that Saturday or Sunday night will be fine? ~www~ 07:39, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Hi seb

Hi seb, lockon told me to find you for advise for editing and translating (check his discussion to see). I wan't to ask how to translate a good quality piece or edit a good quality piece of work? Spytron 01:47, 18 February 2012 (PST)Spytron

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Cleaning policy of your own talk page

Hey,

As you've been away for a rather long time, I wanted to inform you that policy about cleaning your own talk page has changed; you can now clean it up. I thought that maybe I should tell you when that kind of spam post was posted into your talk page, so you can get rid of it if you want.

-Asplode (talk) 02:52, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

I can assure you that removing of spam was never disallowed, only the removal of warnings and cautions from staff. – Smashman (talk) 04:28, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0

A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was this. Seb26, please provide some feedback! Darkid « TalkContribs » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT)