Talk:Mann Co. Supply Crate

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Votes for new quote

I think that this one is a bit funnier.

[] /shadow/sShaD'OhsS 05:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


No. This is already used on the Black Box page. The wiki just seems vain if it uses the same quotes over and over again.--Focusknock 08:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram cross.png No I agree with Focusknock. That quote is already being used for the Black Box, and frankly it is better suited to that page. Also, "Hippo-crates" never gets old! -- Alex2539 08:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually, it bugs me. We need a different quote, the current one makes me feel like we just don't have anything better. ~ lhavelund (talkcontrib) 23:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png Yes I agree with lund. There are lots of other unused quotes that would be better suited. FlotsamX 01:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram neutral.png Neutral For this idea, though I have no idea if it's been used, I would suggest *"Another satisfied customer!"" from the Engineer. :) --Fragment of Nothing 19:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I like the Engie quote much more. The Scout quote was bugging me because it was like we don't know who Hippocrates is. Fate Soul Blake 20:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I think the Engie quote is already used in the Trading article. But we do need a new one.  –  Cructo [T][C] 20:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh yeah you're right. Well then. Looks like I'll need to search for a new one then! Fate Soul Blake 20:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


You need a Mann Co. Supply Crate Key to open this. You can pick one up at the Mann Co. Store.

"This crate contains one of the items listed in its description. To unlock the crate and retrieve the item, you must use a Mann Co. Supply Crate Key, which can be purchased inside the Mann Co. Store. These crates contain one of the rarest and most valuable items in the game, so cross your fingers before you unlock them!" Mann Co. Catalog

Backpack Mann Co. Supply Crate.png

How is it obtained?

Is it found through drops?--Jordan 10:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes I just got one dropped. Now I just need a key... Dzjudz 15:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The crates drop randomly, the keys to open them are purchase-only. -RJ 15:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

How is it randomized?

Does each item have the same chance of being uncrated, or is there a weighted system?--Gatherto

Maybe we should put a percentage table on the page so people can post what they got?--Corrderio
I collected some data from SPUF based on that
From what we got so far(114 samples) there is
38.59% chance of getting an old weapon
21.05% chance of getting a hat
20.17% chance of getting a paint can
9.64 % chance of getting a name tag
7.89 % chance of getting a polycount weapon
2.63 % chance of getting an unusual hat --Banished one 10:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that the data should be on the page just yet. It's still new, can we confirm those observations? --Fragment of Nothing 10:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I currently have a thread on the Steam forums [1] where I'm tallying up what people have opened so far. Currently, a total of 326 crates. I just hope it helps with the statistics. --Toahpt 17:07 7 October 2010 (EST) As of 22:41, 7 October, There's a total of 687 crates tallied on my thread. I'm sure the number will continue to grow. --Toahpt

No, but the page does say "It may contain content that is inaccurate or undocumented" at the top. I thought we should have some numbers to give people a vague idea about what to expect from a crate.--Banished one 10:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Out of the eight I have opened, 2 gunslingers, 2 scottish resistance, 2 black paint, 1 white paint, 1 old guadalajero. Hope that helps at all.Rhonlore 01:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

What does it drop like?

Does it have the same drop rate as an item, a hat, or its own drop rate?--Gatherto

i'm not sure if it has it's own drop rate but certainly it's not as rare as a hat.--Banished one 10:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm led to believe that the drop rate is similar if not the same as weapons...  – Smashman (talk) 11:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
From my experience one usually drops for each player every week. So it's not as rare as a hat but it doesn't drop as often as weapons. The timer is somewhere in between the two. Moussekateer 15:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I think the crates have their own drop "schedule" separate from standard items, as I've gotten double-drops with an item + a crate before in the middle of gameplay, and I got a crate about 2 minutes after getting an item once. I've also gotten crates completely by themselves with no items shortly before or after. They're slightly less frequent than item drops, but still fairly common. My experience has been ~1 crate for every 6 to 10 items, or 1 or 2 crates per week. Will-T 21:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
I've also noticed this. I've seen double drops with Crates, Name Tags and Description Tags. I would hazard a guess that there are two drop timers. One for weapons/hats, one for tools. Maybe the hats are separate too? I think this discussion should move over to the Item Drop System page. I'll start discussion there on this topic. Iloverice 23:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Drop rate table

Would it be possible to have in this section of the talk page a freely editable drop rate table based on what users get in the crate? For example, this is the data I have so far:

Item Given Number of Times Odds*
Vita-Saw 46 8.7%
Gunslinger 63 12.6%
Equalizer 57 10%
Scottish Resistance 57 11%
Old Guadalajara 57 10.94%
Napper's Respite 58 10.2%
Name Tag 65 12.6%
An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge 58 11.3%
A Distinctive Lack of Hue 53 10.2%
Exceedingly Rare Special Item! 10 1.92%

* Odds accurate as of 11:56PM UTC October 7.

Sorry for making possibly the world's worst looking table but I wanted to make sure to post this so I didn't forget. Binerexis 22:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Good idea! Added my Napper's Respite.  – Smashman (talk) 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Will suffer horribly from sampling error. Just saying. -The Neotank ( | Talk) User The Neotank Signeotank.gif 23:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I can add a bit more anecdotal data, if that'll help: 2 Vita-Saw, 3 Scottish Resistance, 1 Gunslinger, 4 Napper's Respite, 2 Old Guadalajara, 2 Name Tag, 2 Distinct Lack of Hue. RukiTanuki 06:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

If someone could add a 'total' row and work out the percentage drop rate for the data collected so far (maybe make the table look better while they're at it) then I would be very, very grateful. Would do it myself but just sneaking a peak at work. Binerexis 12:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeez Bin, you should work on your Wiki ninja editing skills more :P
Added my black paint. I'll open my other crate later and improve the table in a bit. TheChrisD RantsEdits 13:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Added data for 67 unboxings that have occurred on my servers since saturday, 67 unboxed out of a total of 271 dropped (8% of drops, the highest amount out of any item).--Geit 22:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

added my white paint drop RiVenoX 02:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Old Guadalajara in my second crate, added odds for the moment. Probably don't need to update them every time you add something, maybe every 20 or so added, recalculate. TheChrisD RantsEdits 04:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Just got a vita- saw, didn't fix up the odds yet, just changed the vitasaw and total count
Added the items I've got from my 3 crates so far: Scottish Resistance, Scottish Resistance, Old Guadalajara--KefkaticFanatic 01:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Added the items I got last night. 2 Scottish Resistance. (rage) -- ShunyValdez 02:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Added an Equaliser an unlucky friend of mine got and re-did the odds. Binerexis 11:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I've added 29 items opened by someone I saw at reddit. The video proof and link is here. -- ShunyValdez 08:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
New data added from --Firestorm 01:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Are these statistics taken from my thread on the Steam forums? [2] --Toahpt

I don't think they were until Firestorm may have added them though. TheChrisD RantsEdits 02:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I've put together a Google Docs Spreadsheet based on the data in Toahpt's Steam forums thread. You can find it here: It includes a breakdown by the item as well as their respective type. Comments and suggestions are welcome here: Schmoe 21:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
That's a pretty good idea actually. It'd be a good idea to maybe start adding more alternate sources other than SPUF and YouTube to that sheet, although I'm not sure if we can use data on this page unless it's sanitized, given that I think data already from the SPUF thread has been added. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can dig up and add the data when I get the chance. TheChrisD RantsEdits 04:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I try to verify unusual drops based on the SPUF poster's steam community page and If I can't verify the item I will either add the drop to the Data tab with a comment or ignore the poster if the odds of dropping the item are out of line with what the statistics show. So far I haven't seen a lot of trolling. Schmoe 15:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
We can also add another set of worksheets to the spreadsheet that would only include youtube sources, however I think the dataset would be a lot smaller though 100% verifiable. So far my spreadsheet doesn't fall far off mark, but it would be interesting to compare them. Schmoe 16:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I still continue to add more to my OP of the thread. I don't have as many sample crates of series 1 as the spreadsheet, but I have more samples of 3, 4, and 5. Just thought I should let everyone know. --Toahpt
Added new rows from crate series 2 and data from the past couple of days on my servers--23:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

If this drop table is added to the main page, I believe it should be simplified to Weapons, Hats, Tools, and Unusual Hats. Just a thought, though. --Toahpt

With the addition of the Series 2 crate, the table should be changed to reflect that if we assume that the drop rate is the same in every crate (which seems to be a fairly safe solution). The alternative would be to have a Series 1 table and a Series 2 table. The data from both of them (as in specific items) should NOT be on the same table as the percent chances will not be reflective of individual crates but rather if all items available had a chance of coming from every crate dropped. Binerexis 13:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The new drop rate table only takes into account server logs? What methodology did you use to separate rare Series 1 and Series 2 drops? All in all it falls in line with the stats collected by the steam forum pages, but I think it assumes that rare drops are equally likely to occur in either series. Actually it looks like the SPUF posters must have overstated their Series 2 hat drops which falls in line with my expectations of human behavior. For example a user that opened 5 crates could have reported only one of the crates which the user was proud of. Same goes for rare items which is why I added another column for verified drops. Maybe I should extend it to more than just rare drops. Schmoe 16:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I dug up Luigi30's SPUF post regarding this data. He was unable to account for how rare items dropped according to series. Could be minor, but it makes a large assumption. I've added a note regarding rare items to the drop rate table section.
I have no way to determine which series crate a rare item dropped from within the TF2 framework. I've emailed Robin about this but haven't gotten a response. :( LuigiThirty 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Also added a note regarding the assumption that crates drop uniformly across all series. In other words are series #1 dropping less often than #2? Does the server logs account for this? Schmoe 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Series 1 crates are more a little more common in my log than series 2 since they were introduced (it's a 54/46 split), but that could be accounted for by them existing 6 days prior to the introduction of Series 2. An equal chance for each one is likely. LuigiThirty 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Does series 1 still drop?

Does series 1 still drop? -Ravedave 01:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I just found one, but it seemed like it just hadn't propagated into my backpack correctly until I did a trade. Can somebody else confirm? --Qpingu 00:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Series 1 still drops. Not sure if this is a bug or if it is intentional. --Qpingu 00:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I have received series 1 crate today via the drop systemNooch 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Series 1 Crate
I received both crates 4 and 5. I'm guessing someone messed up the wiki.


Whenever I open a crate and then return to the game, the chat reads 'has unboxed', not 'has uncrated' as stated on this page. Is uncrated even a word?--Focusknock 08:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It should be "unboxed", uncrated is probably a mistranslation. --Banished one 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
The yellow text in the introduction is very ugly to read on a white background. Apparently the Font Color template doesn't work on the TF2 wiki. (at least, according to it failing on me) -- AileTheAlien 21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Crate drops use a different distribution system

"Dropped crates do not count as part of the weekly drop cap, but are instead part of a different distribution system." Is there a source or reasoning for this?--Mechlord 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

-I believe there was an email from Robin regarding this, in which he stated it was on a different drop system, so those who rely on drops for items weren't left in the cold. Zombie James 16:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I would love to see a link to this email. It'll be informative and a good addition to the wiki. ShunyValdez 02:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Poking through the history, this was removed as "unsourced" by editor Binerexis on October 12, 2010. So yes, it would be nice if this could be confirmed, but as is, the article doesn't mention it at all. --Itsatrap 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Only took me about an hour of searching, but I found the thread and the e-mail in question. -- Comrade Mike 23:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I've added the reference to the Item Drop System article. ShunyValdez 05:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't this seem a bit odd?

It seems a bit odd that in Series #1, the two hats are the most commonly gained items, when hats are normally rare via the drop system... AbeX300 04:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Based on the data in the table above, it does seem that the new hats drop at a fair rate but the data isn't from the entire population of TF2 or even from a representative sample, it's just from people who have very kindly submitted their data. The more people we can get to submit data, the better. Binerexis 13:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, you also have less chance to get semi-rare items like paint cans or the name tag. I think these values are just the result of Valve's first attempt with crates. Ercho 15:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Crates can drop crates?

See SPUF thread. The only report I've come across. Any confirmation?-RJ 12:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No crate has ever dropped a crate on my server. LuigiThirty 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
No proof and no updates in a while (or new threads with the same).Seems it's only a rumor. Ercho 15:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Series 2 Drop Table

Item Given Number of Times Odds*
L'Etranger 2 7.69%
The Black Box 3 11.54%
The ShortStop 3 11.54%
The Black Box 3 11.54%
Pugilist Protector 1 3.84%
Chieftain's Challenge 1 3.84%
Australium Gold 4 15.38%
A Deep Commitment to Purple 6 23.08%
Dueling Mini-Game 3 11.54%

Please edit this table for any Crate Series 2 results you get. If it turns out that the odds in this table are similar to that in the Series 1 crates then we'll merge the data together to get percent chances of Weapon, Hat, Paint, Action Item and Unusual Hat. Binerexis 13:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Series 3

Have there been any yet? Scatmanjohn 14:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

No --Firestorm 14:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
You need me to open one and see what I get? :) Über Spycrab 23:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Even if no one asked, I opened a #4 and got a whoopee cap. Add that to your chart on the page if you like. Über Spycrab 19:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I opened one and got a Bombing Run, just to let you know.

Drop rates and their factuality...

I really don't think we should rely on community feedback for the drop rates of items in crates. I just think a) the sample sizes are way too small to run a proper statistical analysis on, and b) it's too easily manipulated. I'd like to have a discussion on it, but my proposal is to disregard these unofficial statistics completely, as wiki editors. ~ lhavelund (tc) 03:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I added stats based on logs directly from my server (with a 5000+ crate sample size) and plugged them instead. The numbers look a lot more consistent now. LuigiThirty 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Steam users crate reports

I've been comparing the data collected in the Steampowered thread compared to my server's logs and I've noticed that in the series 1 crates, the Vita-Saw seems to be underrepresented while Old Guadalajara and Napper's Respite seem to be overrepresented. This may be a consequence of people not wanting to say they got a Vita-Saw but bragging that they got hats. LuigiThirty 04:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought exactly that. Somewhat similar with the Unusual reports too. The initial numbers were at 2.5% for the series 1 and 1.5% for the Series 2. I have to say I think trading server statistics seem somewhat reliable for the purposes of estimating drop rate. Lemon 00:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Series 3,4,5 crate statistics

Their sample size is extremely small, to the point where they're statistically unsound and useless. I'm going to remove them until User:LuigiThirty, or anyone else, has more reliable data. Moussekateer 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I have slightly reliable data at the moment. Most people tell me that the samples aren't accurate because people only tell me what they got if it was bad or if it was good. Considering people do both, I'd say it's fairly accurate. --Toahpt
Will there be actual statistics of these crates in the near future? M-NINJA 11:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
The numbers are hard to derive because of items duplicated between crate series, but a reasonable estimate can be gotten with what's available. I'll have something up tomorrow. LuigiThirty 08:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Added. LuigiThirty 20:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Multiple crate series for a single crate?

Over on it will sometimes list a crate in someone's backpack as being from 2 "series," with "Crate series #X" on one line and "Crate Series #Y" on a second line below that. So it could say "Crate Series #5, Crate Series #1." Usually both lines will be the same number, but still, I've seen a significant number of crates with two different numbers on them. What does this mean? Is it just a glitch with I know that crates are never listed as being from more than 1 series in-game. Will-T 19:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Timing bug

When I was opening a series 2 crate I got disconected from the server and the countdown whent up to 500! anyone else has had the same problem? Just curious --Warudragon 22:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Unusual drop rate

So I've gotten around to calculating the actual unusual unboxing rate universally and it's 0.7042%, but I can't split that up into crate series since I don't know what crates had what inside, just that those items appeared. I do know that the rate has held constant since I started tracking the data on October 14. I'm not sure how to add this in there. LuigiThirty 08:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

How big was the sample? I guessed it would be 1%... Moussekateer 08:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
7687 crates, 54 of which contained unusuals. LuigiThirty 18:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I calculate a margin of error of 0.1%, meaning that there is a 95% likelihood (using the data provided) that the unusual unbox range is between 0.51% and 0.89%. Darkid (Talk | Contribs) 22:28, 2 November 2014 (PST)

Template Update

Is the template Template:Update really still necessary? By now crates have been pretty well known. Granted, the drop rates themselves are still not certain, but they'll probably never be. --CruelCow (talk) 23:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


I think we should remove "%" in the table cells because the headers already indicate the unit between brackets (Drop rate (%), Estimated drop rate (%)) and it overloads the page. --Giraf 11:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed & done. --CruelCow (talk) 23:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Looks like someone didn't agree... Schmoe 13:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently so... I completely agree with this idea though, as it's standard formatting for spreadsheets to have the unit (in this case %) in the column header, so that the symbol doesn't need to be repeated. Ninjaa003 09:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

December 10th Update

Any news on what the new crates contain? Also, hate to be the speculator here, but I have the feeling that at least series 3 and 4 have been retired. Of course, no proof yet, so don't get edit-happy. Sage J. Fox 02:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

What the crates contain is up. Now just to determine the percentages. Ssssssmokin 03:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I've had barely 50 of each series opened so far, not enough to get any meaningful data. LuigiThirty 17:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I've updated the Festive Winter Crate drop rates and removed Prancer's Price as it doesn't appear to be a normal drop. It's possible that it's counted as rare item. Schmoe 13:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Collapsible Tables

Series 1 is buggy collapsed. Also any way to make active series already open? And inactive ofc, closed? - Devozade 23:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

They should be fixed now thanks to Windpower. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 23:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Looks like when the header text wraps, the table will not show all the items after being re-expanded. This is reproducible in Chrome.Schmoe 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Well it was reproducing... but it doesn't appear to be an issue now. Schmoe 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

When Crate Item is determined

Ok, I was wondering when the item inside a crate was determined (after giving away a crate that yielded an unusual) so I emailed Robin Walker. He explained to me that the item inside a crate is actually determined when you open the crate, so it wouldn't contain anything until you apply a key to it, then the game rolls the dice. Those aren't his exact words, but I have uploaded an image of the email here. --Palehorse864 11:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This is unsurprising. -- mek.png Mechlord 11:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Unusual Hat drop type

Are unusual hat uncrates restricted to the kinds of hats a particular crate series can drop, or can any kind of unusual hat pop out from any kind of crate? Got my first unusual from a festive crate and it was a Gonzila, just like the proper normal hat drop from the crate. -Object404 02:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

They're not tied usually, because there are plenty of unusual hats around that aren't crate hats. The Festive crates are a special case it seems. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 02:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Good logic. Thanks! -Object404 07:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Festive Winter Crate Expiration Results

I definitely confirm that my festive winter crates were replaced by random weapons (I had just logged into the Mann Co Store before logging out of the game, so I would have been alerted about all item drops already). Upon my next login, I was puzzled as I was immediately greeted by three new random weapon drops. My backpack was then missing my three winter crates. I hung around a trade server and asked people about their crates and we saw them change/vanish in realtime as we were all from different timezones. One guy in the server had 11 winter crates and they were all replaced by series 1-5 crates upon rollover with him. How about with you guys? -Object404 02:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

i kinda want to check this out, i have currently 3 festive crates in my backpack. i'll be right back! -= M-NINJA Burger Gib.png =- 02:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
well my crates only disappeared. i got nothing. so in other words, they expired. -= M-NINJA Burger Gib.png =- 04:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
So far, seems to be what I've heard from friends. Just expired, nothing replaced it. NihonTiger 05:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Same here. Had 4 winter crates, they were removed, and nothing replaced them. -- CptObvious 19:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone else confirm they received items when the crates expired? I received nothing as well. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 19:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
3 accounts, 8 WCs deleted in total, nothing in return. Man stole my bike. Real alien 19:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I think this was all coincidental. i go to a server that has the drop all screwed up. i have to visit the store or leave to get my items. Maybe something similar occurred. -= M-NINJA Burger Gib.png =- 19:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I think so too. I can doubly confirm that nothing was returned. My younger sibling (who only occasionally plays) had 2 winter crates in her inventory. I just checked hers, and there is nothing in return for them. I think we can bust this as a coincidence, not fact. -- CptObvious 19:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I had 2 festive crates and i didn't get anything when they expired. Turtlebolt 07:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Crate with highest Unusual drop rate

Do we have any definitive results proving series #1 has the highest Unusual drop rate? Keys are expensive so i am sure we would all like to maximize our chances. Also,the festive crates seemed to have a high drop rate as well. Turtlebolt 05:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

No, the data seems to suggest the chances are the same for all series. It's a myth series 1 has a higher drop rate. The Festive crate does seem to have a higher chance, though I'm not too sure about the data. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 05:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Is there a data sheet separated by series on this internets?? People pay so much more for series 1 crates, lol Turtlebolt 09:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Festival Crates

Were all the non-pseudo item set hats that came out during the Australian Christmas update design to be uncrateable with the festival crates? I don't see Prancer's Pride listed among the mess and want to see if it was intended or just really bad luck for anyone trying to get it this way. BASEBALLFURIES 20:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Remove that Minecraft trivia

It doesn't fit on the article, because it has nothing to do specifically with crates. It is a parody of TF2, and I'm sure there's some silly article for that sort of thing. That bit of trivia is entirely about Minecraft, and this is not a Minecraft wiki. I know a number of people are big fans of Minecraft, but that doesn't make it any more related. If we mention it on this page, then we may as well mention that one VG Cats comic as well. You know the one. SilverHammer 20:09, 28 June 2011 (PDT)

I disagree, the chests and the fake functionality are a direct reference to the crates and I think it's an interesting tidbit. Building icon Metal.png Mar 20:13, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
Yeah, but so are the chests in that comic. How about the Team Captain in that F@nboy$ from last week, that's a direct reference. Add that to the Team Captain article? SilverHammer 20:29, 28 June 2011 (PDT)

Pictogram plus.png Support this isn't Minecraft people. RED Überneedle.png - Lexar - talk 20:31, 28 June 2011 (PDT) Pictogram plus.png Support You know how a years ago this wiki was filled with mundane trivia? This is one of those. Except it's even more unrelated. --TheJohns 10:44, 1 July 2011 (PDT)

Cooler Box

It's still can't open with normal keys. But how about Stocking Stuffer Key? Hinaomi 06:33, 29 June 2011 (PDT)

Ah, yes, forgot to type it here. Tested, no option to unbox the cooler. kreafan 16:23, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
It expires July 11th, Valve may release the unreleased item sets seen in the Free to Play trailer on July 4th, since that's Independence Day, as well as putting the key for the Cooler in the store for the same price as a regular key (just like the Festive Key was, right?), makes sense, doesn't it? Masterlegodude 07:13, 30 June 2011 (PDT)
Keys are out, lets start getting some data on what come out of the crates! Massive Mountain of Hat 11:05, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
  • Tam O'shanter (hat for Demoman)


  • Copper's Topper (police helmet for Heavy)

  • Stately Steel Boot (literally a steel boot for Pyro)
  • Rouge's Coule Ruge, (turtleneck for Spy)


  • Steel Jaw (heay metal jaw)

  • Steel Toe
  • Nine Iron (demo golf club)


  • Engineer boots - prairie heel biters

Where are you guys compiling data for the summer cooler drop rates? So far I've gotten: 2 Steel Jaw (heavy), Nine Iron (demo), and Postal Pummeler (pyro)[3]. Stupid mcgee 10:57, 2 July 2011 (PDT)
  • Just wondering, are there any unusuals in the cooler? Thespy 14:56, 9 July 2011 (PDT)
Yes I got my Unusual Hustlers Hallmark (Purple Energy) from it Kwank3r

Someone still has a Summer Cooler...

Just saw this. Apparently this guys Summer Cooler wasn't removed. What gives? 404 User Not Found 20:47, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

Is he played tf2 after summer update? Hinaomi 10:19, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
I actually had a tradable crate for about 12 hours after the update. The crate did not say that it was going to expire after that. However it was deleted. Their other crates out there (I've found 3 so far) and they no longer have the expire by part on them. So a few users lost items trading for these crates in hopes they would become collectables. [deleted dupe info and link] Erikerikerik 12:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
More information on you actually need the item in your backpack in order to trade it. And the timing on this trade shows this person had it 12:31, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
Just so you know, Erikerikerik, this link you posted:, is the exact same link to the exact same guy's backpack, that I posted above. Click "Just saw this.". 404 User Not Found 13:36, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

Converted to Template

I took the time, with some extra help from EpicEric, to convert the crate tables into clean and clear template. It currently can hold up to 25 items along with the ability of translation switching. Its very easy to use and edit in my opinion. Here is a link to the project. So gather your opinions and tell them to me; shall we use it? User M-NINJA Signature.png 18:38, 8 August 2011 (PDT)

Pictogram tick.png Hell yeah - Dude, you kick so much ass. Use that template! 404 User Not Found 20:12, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
Alright! Got some excellent feedback from 404 :D Also! Because I have the attention span to do so, I converted ALL the crate tables to use the template. User M-NINJA Signature.png 18:31, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
Template make easier to add many more new series crate. Then keep do this project :D. Hinaomi 20:24, 11 August 2011 (PDT)
I like dis new weapon. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 20:32, 11 August 2011 (PDT)

Stock Items Drops From Crates

How often do stock items drop from the new crate series 23 to 28? I've received a fair few of those crates now and I would like to get rid of them; however, I don't want to waste money for a key if chances of getting a stock item are high. Fish Ninja 05:15, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Any stock items found in a crate will be Strange quality, so it's hardly a waste. » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 10:04, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

Crates #23- 25

When did they stop dropping?MEDUNN 09:16, 5 September 2011 (PDT)


What the feck is the Question Mark for? --Scout Decal Black.png ScoutKast 17:42, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

Salvaged #30


Already added that +) Limie Pie Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png 23:42, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
How can a crate containing only weapons have an exccedingly rare special item? Unusual weapons? What?
Jojo2342 23:48, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
Like EVERY other crate, it's an unusual hat. How you couldn't put this together on your own is beyond me. Have you never, ever, looked at the desc of any other crate, ever? SS2R 23:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

Salvaged 30 does not drop anymore.

Have YOU seen any drop in the last day? I'm pretty sure they aren't coming anymore. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yoshiboshi3 (talk) • (contribs)

They are probably rarer than hat drops. So don't expect to see them dropping. Or how many hat drops do you actually witness in a 3 days? --Picard talk 10:04, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
What kind of logic is this? I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist? Spare me. SS2R 10:05, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
There are not so much #30, as tf2stats says: 101 crates.kreafan 16:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
Just to clarify, these do still drop, TheHoboKing received one today. Don't make a post like this unless you have facts. Your speculation is meaningless. SS2R 23:55, 16 October 2011 (PDT)
I can confirm Crate#30 dropped on Tuesday October 19th. There have been 1509 drops in NoochLand post Manniversary update and only 1 Salvaged Mann Co. Supply Crate during those drops. Nooch 12:39, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
I can confirm Crate#30 dropped on Saturday March 3rd 2012. RagingRoosevelt 18:24, 2012-03-05
I just got one yesterday. [4] Go to page 2. Profit. NikolaiKrstic 19:39, 2012-03-09

Did s28 stop drop before s26?

I saw patch note include s26 and s28 stop drop but did s28 stop drop before s26? Hinaomi 07:28, 21 October 2011 (PDT)

Yes. s28 was replaced by s29. and s26 was replaced by s31. at the moment s27, s29, and s31 are still dropping. Nooch 10:56, 21 October 2011 (PDT)

Festive Winter Crate 2010

Just noticed there's a hat missing from the Christmas Crate list, do I just add it in listed with a 2% rate like all the other hats? DarkQuill 04:10, 6 November 2011 (PST)

Not quite - the total of the percentages must always add up to 100%. Which hat is missing? » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 15:42, 6 November 2011 (PST)

Fair enough. Industrial Festivizer is missng - I know specifically 'cause that's the one I unboxed with my free key :p DarkQuill 00:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)

link to crate simulator

I'm not sure on the policy of external links on this wiki, but I was wondering whether it would be helpful or informative to have a link to my flash crate simulator somewhere on this page.

Stripedy 11:42, 16 November 2011 (PST)

That's a pretty spectacular simulator ya got there, and I'd certainly like to see it on the page, but I don't really see how it would fit with the encyclopedic nature of the wiki.
» Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 12:21, 16 November 2011 (PST)

Uncrated items have a trade timer?

I got some keys from the Mann Co. store yesterday and uncrated a s. Degreaser. I don't usually actively use it, so I thought I could trade it away, But apparently there is a trading timer, which is set to the same timer as keys, 3 days. Since when was this added? Koalster 05:49, 19 November 2011 (PST)

Proof of existence of Series #34

Here's what I found in items_game.txt:



"kill_eater_set_mixed_e" "1"

"Hard Counter" "1"

"Western Wear" "1"


And this is what "kill_eater_set_mixed_e" contains:



"The Reserve Shooter" "1"

"The Atomizer" "1"

"The Southern Hospitality" "1"

"The Scottish Resistance" "1"


So yeah, turns out I was wrong, and #34 has been coded in, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it's currently being dropped. 404: User Not Found (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2011 (PST)

s30 no longer drop?

I saw someone edit that s30 no longer drop. Is it true? Hinaomi Killicon unarmed combat.png 19:53, 1 December 2011 (PST)

  • Series 30 is a very rare drop, rarer than hats Thespy 12:28, 10 December 2011 (PST)
Not sure about Crate 30 no longer dropping, but Crate 31 is still up and about. I found one today. FC Ghost Nappa 20:58, 1 December 2011 (PST)
Today before or after update? TeotwawK 21:44, 1 December 2011 (PST)
I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Tuesday December 6th. So, thats the 6th s30 crate in NoochLand, or 1 s30 crate per week during 6 of the 7 weeks s30 crates have been available.Nooch 03:14, 6 December 2011 (PST)
90% sure it was after the update. I've only been getting 33's lately but I'll keep my eyes peeled. FC Ghost Nappa 22:29, 9 December 2011 (PST)
I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Sunday December 18th. So, thats the 7th s30 crate in NoochLand. Nooch279 is currently a F2P account. Nooch 17:08, 18 December 2011 (PST)

I got one about a week ago. It's probably safe to assume they're here to stay for much longer. --Stevejenny 22:20, 2 March 2012 (PST)

Naughty/Nice Crates contents

Has anyone checked items_game.txt to see if the Naughty/Nice Crates contents have been added? If you're doing searching, try doing a search of the file for the Series 34 crate name (which I posted a few topics up), then scroll down to see if anything has been added. 404: User Not Found (talk) 17:21, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Nothing was added the schema noting the contents. Balladofwindfishes 17:23, 9 December 2011 (PST)
Alrighty then! Thanks for responding Ballad :) 404: User Not Found (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Speaking of the Naughty/Nice Crates, the formatting seems to be a bit wonky on the page. I'm assuming this'll be fixed once we've got contents listed, but right now there's a big space between Nice and Naughty. -an incoherent rambling by iamtehlolrus 21:09, 10 December 2011 (PST)

The 'festiver bat' is not listed. Perhaps there are 10 festiver items and 9% each instead of 9 items and 11% each item or the 'festiver bat' may be the rare item. Also looking for any official word about the strange festiver weapon percentage rate. --7runks 06:07, 17 December 2011 (PST)

Trivia about festive keys

I saved 2 festive keys from last year, and tried opening a naughty crate with them. They "don't apply to this item" right now. Don't know if people were curious or not. --Vercci 19:46, 12 December 2011 (PST)

Firstly those keys should have been changed into regular keys. Thespy 20:27, 15 December 2011 (PST)

Nice Crate contents

I edited Ebenezer and Holiday Headcase out of there because the update page clearly says there are 14 items in the crates, there's no proof of anyone unboxing either yet and both their descriptions state that they were "donated" which makes it sound like they're going to be free somehow (most likely tied to that upcoming "treasure hunt" thing).

Also I'm kind of bad at counting so some kind soul could edit the percentages to match the amount of items. Roo 02:42, 17 December 2011 (PST)

naughty crate quality distribution statistics

took a look at tf2stats, which has fairly large sample sizes on these items already

for the rocket launcher, flamethrower, sticky launcher, minigun, sniper rifle, and knife: the distribution is about 1 strange in every 8 items (~12.5% chance to be strange)

for the scattergun, wrench and medigun: the distribution is about 1 strange in every 14 items (~7.1% chance to be strange)

for the bat: the distribution is the opposite of the above items, with a 7.1% chance of NOT being strange

I'm not sure how this can be concisely conveyed in the main article, but here's the raw information. Stripedy 16:56, 17 December 2011 (PST)

and another thing, festive bats are (according to tf2stats) much rarer than the other festives, so the current percentages on the main article are probably flawed. Stripedy 17:05, 17 December 2011 (PST)

Do you have to buy the kets just to open the crates?

Like really? is ther any alternate way for this by obtaning a random item from a server? Paulioetc19 20:01, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Did you read the trivia section? Everything in store has in random drop exept key, pile o gift, secreat saxton, some paint and some hat. Hinaomi Killicon unarmed combat.png 22:56, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Identical items from crates

Whenever I open crates of the same series one after the other, I always seem to receive the same item drop. For example, a few days ago I opened 3 series 34 crates consecutively and received 3 Strange Atomizers. This has happened to me almost every time I have opened crates. Does this happen to anybody else and if so why does this happen? G 180397 12:40, 21 February 2012 (PST)

You're just unlucky. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 13:08, 21 February 2012 (PST)
I've received 3 Black Boxes from 3 Series #29 crates but all 4 strange item from 4 Series #27 crates (without any duplicates). --Askarmuk 14:32, 21 February 2012 (PST)

Strange Parts

Hopefully someone can come up with a better way to add the specific Strange Part types into the crates' drop tables. I felt it was necessary information but I'm new at this and didn't want to potentially screw up the dictionary by adding a new entry for each variation of the item. Cmx 21:04, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

An entry per variation in the dictionary probably would be best, redirects can always be set up to the main tool page. - Devozade 21:10, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
Alright, I'll start doing that. Cmx 21:30, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Crate 30 no longer dropping?

The page was edited today to mention that Crate #30 no longer drops, but I've heard no other mention of that, and it wasn't listed in the changes for today's update, undocumented or otherwise. Can anyone confirm that this is true? Evang7 00:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

Still in there, It wasn't removed in the schema update so it's still in.--Drsalvador 04:41, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
It's still in the schema because it's got a special icon / name. So it's stuck there "Forever" </Pinky Pie>, but that doesn't mean it still drops. --Org 07:16, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
It doesn't look like they removed any crates from the drop system, at least according to the schema. Crate drops are controlled via schema, so we'd know. Balladofwindfishes 07:21, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
They definitely removed crate 37 and 38. I'm still confused, is crate 30 dropping or is it retired. Calq 17:20, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
I'm not sure where optf2 gets its schema from, but it disagrees with the items_game.txt currently deployed to srcds servers from the HLDSUpdateTool. The latest schema deployed there has item index 5068 ("Supply Crate Rare" AKA Salvaged Mann Co. Crate) pointing to crate 40. --Powerlord 18:55, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
Someone on SPUF just got a 30 about an hour ago and no 40 has been spotted yet. Something wasn't set right and it's causing 30s to drop and 40s to not. Balladofwindfishes 18:57, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
I've sent a message to the hlds mailing list, so hopefully the discrepency between the schema and items_game.txt (which is supposed to be generated from the schema) will be sorted out soon. Since they both share the same item definition index, if one is dropping the other isn't. -- Powerlord 19:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
So does this mean that crate 30 is Supposed to be retired, and crate 40 is supposed to drop like a salvaged crate, but crate 30 is dropping instead of crate 40 due to some sort of bug?Calq 10:21, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
We don't know. The schema doesn't define what drops, that's up to the item server. So take what the schema says with a pinch of salt. And afaik the online schema overrides items_game.txt. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 10:26, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

Crate 40 rarity?

I've not seen a single one. I don't even think they're dropping. Yoshiboshi3 21:09, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

From the discussion topic above it appears that there is a bug causing crate 30 to drop in place of 40, as they are both marked as salvaged crates in the item schema. Cmx 23:08, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

The naming and positioning may be the issue. They might have to remove the 30 from the schema or make an exception to fix it. 7runks 00:22, 24 March 2012 (PDT)


Think this might be good information to add to the page? I mean, lots of people asking for crate 40 with the wiki as their only reference, it would be nice for them to understand it can't drop yet. Yoshiboshi3 10:20, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

I think it might be Item server bug. Valve will fix it in Valve time. Killicon black rose.png Hinaomi 10:24, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
Kinda funny, as I don't think there are more eagerly anticipated stranges than the ones in that crate: Huntsman, Widowmaker and Sapper, all in one. --Itsacon 23:52, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
I think that's sort of the point, it's apparently supposedly going to be a salvaged crate. Meaning valuable. >:D Calq 12:55, 26 March 2012 (PDT)

Regarding crate topics above

I think it's important to note that the attributes for crate series you see in the schema aren't necessarily representative of the series you will see in a backpack. The drop system can and does attach overriding crate series attributes. This is how early/discontinued crates continue to exist in your backpack. There is indeed an inconsistency in the schemas but the schema itself does not control the series that might drop. I don't know what weight this has on the above discussions but it is something that should be considered when deciding on how you edit the page. Remember that a lot of people trust the wiki's pages as the word of god.

The tracker and OPTF2 itself gets the client schema from the value stored in the same items_game field you see in the tracker files themselves. -- Lagg Backpack Stickybomb Launcher.png 19:42, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

I believe there was a tf2 update today. Did it fix the crates? Calq 13:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
I would like to know this too.Yoshiboshi3 14:10, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
According to this [5], it did. Should the article be updated to reflect that? Calq 14:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Crate Series Ordering

Pending anyone's interest, I'd like to put crate #30 where it should be, between 29 and 31. Although it did stop dropping more recently, this feels more accurate to me. Input? Darkid (Talk | contribs) 17:50, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Salvaged drop rate?

Does anyone know what the drop rate for salvaged crates is? I understand it's less often than normal crates, but I think it should say somewhere on the Wiki what the chances are of finding one. YoshiBombLuigi 8:35, 9 May 2012

About 1 crate per day? Killicon black rose.png Hinaomi 06:51, 9 May 2012 (PDT)
Not even close. Yuurg 12:42, 18 May 2012 (PDT)
About 90 were found per day for the 167 days that they dropped. This is compared to the 4600 found per day of the #29. They're uncommon, but not that rare. Darkid (Talk | contribs) 16:39, 23 May 2012 (PDT)

Crate #35

So I was looking at stats[dot]teamfortress[dot]org, and specifically at the Crate #35 unbox stats. It looks like there's a 1/5 chance of getting a strange (compared to a festive) for all but the Scattergun, Wrench, and Medi Gun, which have 1/10 chance. Should we put this into the page? How? Darkid (Talk | contribs) 06:46, 23 May 2012 (PDT)

Crate #46

I'm sorry, not sure how to edit the table for crate contents, but could someone add Fed-Fightin' Fedora, Liquidator's Lid and Gentleman's Ushanka to the list for 46? If I had to guess, probably all the new hats/miscs drop from it, but I'm 100% on these three since I just uncrated them myself. Thanks. Skipsaur 23:08, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

just got a Apparatchik's Apparel from a #46 myself. I previewed adding it to the list, but due to the lack of icon it would have broken it. For the record, it is contained inside the crate Noelahg 14:06, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
I too received a Apparatchik's Apparel; I can confirm that they are available in this series. (I need to learn how to edit crate listings! :). -- Jmudge 05:09, 29 June 2012 (PDT)

Crate #48/Fall Crate

It says right now that you can get a Robro in it, but I just unboxed the "Soviet Gentleman." Is this the rare item or just another to be found in the crate? NeoSlith 20:34, 6 September 2012 (PDT)

On TF2R, I've seen a raffle for a Pocket Purrer (Teddy Roosebelt, but it's a cat) and Hat of Cards (a fedora with playing cards in the brim.) It's a bunch of new things in the crate, the patchnotes just haven't updated yet to tell what they all are yet. Redjarman 21:01, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
AFAIK it's even odds for all of the miscs released in the 9/6/12 patch... but I don't know. Darkid (talk|contribs) 21:03, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
I'd add the new items to the list, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it, as the lists don't show up at all in the text when I hit any of the edit buttons, even the one for the main page. Eddmario 22:51, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
Ditto. I got a "Bearded Bombardier" and "Hat of Cards" from my two uncrates. Rannmann 08:36, 7 September 2012 (PDT)
Has anyone got new unusual hats from this crate? I would like to see it :p ZapIndex 23:27, 19 September 2012 (PDT)

"{{lang" text boxes?

On the Nice Winter Crate and Naughty Winter Crate boxes, there's a line of red text saying "{{lang" and then a lot of code. It's also on a few others. What's up with this? Citizen Shane 16:20, 5 October 2012 (PDT)

There seems to be a problem with the game's localization files, I think. Mpnov 16:32, 5 October 2012 (PDT)

New Crate

So... When we adding crate 49? I would if I knew what was in it. Taser9001 14:44, 10 October 2012 (PDT)

It's already there :) » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 14:47, 10 October 2012 (PDT)

Eerie Crate (#51)

Here are the items that I have unboxed:

  • Haunted Bonedolier (Soldier, Pyro, Demo)
  • Haunter Zipperface (Soldier)

-- Jmudge 06:41, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

The Eerie Crate has A LOT of items in it, proof: [6] Im almost certain thats not the full list of the items, please someone try and find out whats the rest of them and put them on the Eerie crate info place here

--The Legendary Drunkstalk 07:40, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

Hi, I am new here and I just wanted to ask whether the crate (#51) was still dropping even though it is under the retired section or was the value just not changed? I didn't want to edit it in case it was still dropping. VampiricPadraig 10:36, 24 November 2012 (PST)

Pictogram tick.png Fixed User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 16:52, 24 November 2012 (PST)

Here's the full list of crate 51 (appeared in a trade)

  • Sir Hootsalot
  • Master Mind
  • The Rump-o'-Lantern
  • The Scarecrow
  • The Crone's Dome
  • The Executioner
  • The Bonedolier
  • The Plutonidome
  • The Spooky Shoes
  • The Spooky Sleeves
  • The Zipperface
  • The Boo Balloon
  • The Unknown Monkeynaut
  • The Grand Duchess Tutu
  • The Grand Duchess Fairy Wings
  • The Grand Duchess Tiara
  • The Dead Little Buddy
  • The Exorcizor
  • The Voodoo JuJu (Slight Return)
  • The Wraith Wrap
  • The Coffin Kit
  • The Bat Outta Hell
  • Demoman's Fro
  • Mining Light
  • Football Helmet
  • Prussian Pickelhaube
  • Pyro's Beanie
  • Batter's Helmet
  • Trophy Belt
  • Soldier's Stash
  • Fancy Fedora
  • Texas Ten Gallon
  • Engineer's Cap
  • Officer's Ushanka
  • Tough Guy's Toque
  • Stainless Pot
  • Tyrant's Helm
  • Glengarry Bonnet
  • Vintage Tyrolean
  • Respectless Rubber Glove
  • Otolaryngologist's Mirror
  • Brigade Helm
  • Bonk Helm
  • Ye Olde Baker Boy
  • Backbiter's Billycock
  • Professional's Panama
  • Master's Yellow Belt
  • Scotsman's Stove Pipe
  • Towering Pillar of Hats
  • Noble Amassment of Hats
  • Modest Pile of Hat
  • The Hound Dog
  • Hustler's Hallmark
  • Magistrate's Mullet
  • Hotrod
  • Troublemaker's Tossle Cap
  • Triboniophorus Tyrannus
  • Killer's Kabuto
  • Shooter's Sola Topi
  • Whoopee Cap
  • Ze Goggles
  • Safe'n'Sound
  • Tippler's Tricorne
  • Frenchman's Beret
  • Bloke's Bucket Hat
  • Vintage Merryweather
  • Sergeant's Drill Hat
  • Gentleman's Gatsby
  • The Heavy Duty Rag
  • Pugilist's Protector
  • Old Guadalajara
  • Napper's Respite
  • Bombing Run
  • Chieftain's Challenge
  • Stout Shako
  • Dr's Dapper Topper
  • Handyman's Handle
  • Hard Counter
  • Sober Stuntman
  • Carouser's Capotain
  • Magnificent Mongolian
  • Larrikin Robin
  • Blighted Beak
  • Pyromancer's Mask
  • Prancer's Pride
  • Détective Noir
  • Madame Dixie
  • Buckaroos Hat
  • German Gonzila
  • Flipped Trilby
  • Coupe D'isaster
  • Le Party Phantom
  • Industrial Festivizer
  • Exquisite Rack
  • Defiant Spartan
  • A Rather Festive Tree
  • Prince Tavish's Crown
  • Rimmed Raincatcher
  • The Dread Knot
  • The Samur-Eye
  • The Geisha Boy
  • Charmer's Chapeau
  • Reggaelator
  • Honcho's Headgear
  • Private Eye
  • Medic's Mountain Cap
  • Big Country
  • Grimm Hatte
  • Connoisseur's Cap
  • Villain's Veil
  • Large Luchadore
  • Western Wear
  • The Team Captain
  • Hottie's Hoodie
  • Doctor's Sack
  • Ol' Geezer
  • Crocleather Slouch
  • Furious Fukaamigasa
  • The Dead Cone
  • Brain Bucket
  • The Hetman's Headpiece
  • The Janissary Ketche
  • The Conjurer's Cowl
  • The Attendant
  • Familiar Fez
  • Grenadier's Softcap
  • Ol' Snaggletooth
  • The Milkman
  • The Big Chief
  • Scotch Bonnet
  • Berliner's Bucket Helm
  • Desert Marauder
  • Sultan's Ceremonial
  • Jumper's Jeepcap
  • The Capo's Capper
  • Armored Authority
  • Bonk Boy
  • Cosa Nostra Cap
  • Copper's Hard Top
  • Tam O' Shanter
  • Stately Steel Toe
  • Lord Cockswain's Pith Helmet
  • The Dragonborn Helmet
  • The Anger
  • The Nanobalaclava
  • The Company Man
  • The Mask of the Shaman
  • The El Jefe
  • Your Worst Nightmare
  • The One-Man Army
  • The Counterfeit Billycock
  • The Outdoorsman
  • The Tavish DeGroot Experience
  • The Pencil Pusher
  • The Buccaneer's Bicorne
  • The Salty Dog
  • The Little Buddy
  • The Gym Rat
  • The Hot Dogger
  • The Birdcage
  • The Surgeon's Stahlhelm
  • The Backwards Ballcap
  • L'Inspecteur
  • The Swagman's Swatter
  • The Flamboyant Flamenco
  • The Virtual Reality Headset
  • The Hat With No Name
  • The Hermes
  • The Head Warmer
  • The Big Elfin Deal
  • The Brown Bomber
  • The Bubble Pipe
  • The Brainiac Hairpiece
  • The Killer Exclusive
  • The Lucky Shot
  • The Conquistador
  • The Waxy Wayfinder
  • The Fruit Shoot
  • The Front Runner
  • The Gentleman's Ushanka
  • Liquidator's Lid
  • The Fed-Fightin' Fedora
  • The Helmet Without a Home
  • The Human Cannonball
  • The Crone's Dome
  • The Executioner
  • The Voodoo JuJu (Slight Return)
  • The Wraith Wrap
  • The Coffin Kit
  • or an Exceedingly Rare Halloween-Themed Special Item!

Screenshots if you guys want proof. I haven't edited in a year, so I don't remeber what you guys need

Danne2 i.e. Narry Gewman on Steam 12:44, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

  That's most like;y not the list. Valve wouldn't cramp all those items in a Halloween themed box. Sandvich Heavinski 10:26, 28 October 2012 (PDT)
   It could have glitched Danne2 i.e. Narry Gewman on Steam 14:14, 28 October 2012 (PDT)

Strange items in #53 crates?

Does the Nice winter crates (series #53) have strange items? The Naughty crates clearly state "some , but not all of the items in this crate are strange." This advisory is absent from the Nice crate screen capture. Perhaps consider removing the "Weapons obtained from this crate might have the Strange quality" description from the wiki entry on the Nice crates until it is confirmed that Nice crates have strange items? -- Jmudge 05:36, 14 December 2012 (PST)

Maybe like last year that have Festive and Strage Festive version. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 06:29, 14 December 2012 (PST)
I believe we're basing off of last year's experience. Nice crates consisted of Community created items (weapons and headwears, etc) and Naughty crates contained festive weapons and strange festive. It can be changed upon update anyways. So for now just leave it until an update or blog post confirms what is inside. Ashes 13:32, 14 December 2012 (PST)
Has anyone noticed that the crates are level 12 instead of the usual level 10? I'm not trying to speculate, but it seems notable since every other crate is level 10. Unless that's user error, but it was probably in the schema. - RedXM 08:51, 16 December 2012 (PST)

Chance Percentages

Someone on my server just purchased two keys from me, and then immediately unboxed 2 crate 57's, receiving about 2.66 ref worth of stranges. His rationale was that the wiki says all items from that crate are at a 0% chance at unbox, while the unusual chance is 1%. He interpreted this as meaning that crate 57 was a guaranteed unusual. While only his own sheer stupidity is to blame, perhaps something other than numbers could be used as placeholders until the true percentages can be determined? At the time of this writing, Crate 57 is shown to have 6 items it can yield, each with a 0% chance.Ddhoward 14:57, 19 March 2013 (PDT)

Unusuals obviously are at a set rate. We assume 1% since its a very low chance. As for percentages I believe we either assume or someone actually calculated those values. But for sure unusual rates never change unless valve states otherwise. Ashes 15:01, 19 March 2013 (PDT)

Crate 50 Chances

Is the bacon grease really only 4%? And the splendid screen is 20%, but everything else is 25%? What is this information based off of? I thought that salvaged crates have equal chances of all items, some kind of proof or reference would be nice.GooseMonkey97 17:00, 24 March 2013 (PDT)

All stats are coming off of tf2 stats i believe. Ashes 17:02, 24 March 2013 (PDT)
If this is based on total item counts, wouldn't the bacon grease be much less common because most people have applied it to pans already? GooseMonkey97 17:06, 24 March 2013 (PDT)
Well I wouldn't know as I didn't do the stats. Perhaps asking the person who actually did them? Ashes 17:07, 24 March 2013 (PDT)
I think you're right, GooseMonkey. This is the link to the item page. Note the disclaimer that says used items are not included in the percentage count (which would explain the apparent rare chance of the Strange Bacon Grease) and the non-exact chances of the other items. This means that roughly, there should be around a 20% equal chance for each item being unboxed. -Zykx 22:47, 24 March 2013 (PDT)
When you include the stats on the #50 page as well, as the apparent 206 Strange Pans on the Pan page, that events them all out to 20% each. TheChrisD RantsEdits 06:53, 25 March 2013 (PDT)
Well, each item doesn't have an exact 20% chance, as with any other crate there's a 1% unusual chance... so... uh... who's good at maths here? -Zykx 07:09, 25 March 2013 (PDT)

Gift-wrappable crates

Well, I can't find any thread or discussion about that but... I used my gift wrap and saw that some crates are not gift-wrappable? Is there a reason why some crates are but some are not? The first 50 crates (excluding event crates, #30 and #50). Light08 11:42, 18 April 2013 (PDT)

Item Update

Added to drop in the April 25, 2013 item schema update.
Team Fortress 2 Wiki

From the Main Page of the wiki there is no April 25, 2013 Update or Patch. Is this supposed to be April 24, 2013? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Just An Average Toaster (talk) • (contribs)

More easy and simple, it was add to drop by "Item server" which materiel and strings were added before. They just added it to dropable item. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 03:42, 26 April 2013 (PDT)
Oh, okay thank you. Just An Average Toaster 03:48, 26 April 2013 (PDT)


As this crate is hugely seculated to be a hint for the next update, is it worth to write that it's level 13, maybe hinting to that the update will be revealed on 13/5?Kalle198 22:07, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

Prove that it'll come on 13th May? User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 22:13, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
Speculations should go on the steam forums. Not here. Also if it were to be released may 13. We would need solid proof. Not some speculated stuff. Ashes 22:35, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
You guys should take a look at this. Noxwyll 13:38, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
Its a bunch of images... Ok...? Once again its speculation which belongs on the steam forums. Thanks. Ashes 13:59, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
Well, it's May 13th, and they updated the description. It says that it'll contain Unusual Effects that can only come from that crate. Can you make your own unusual hats now? NeoSlith 19:28, 13 May 2013 (PDT)
Pretty sure that just means Robocrates themselves will have limited unusual effects, sort of like the limited time halloween effects. Redjarman 07:34, 14 May 2013 (PDT)
The images are confirmed now. Its contents are robotized hats and miscs and the unusuals have special effects. Noxwyll 15:12, 17 May 2013 (PDT)

Now that Robocrate are out, can someone find a list of all the different hats it has and drop rates? has a list,, but I'm not sure if it's accurate.Wamesy 08:03, 18 May 2013 (PDT)

Hey I noticed someone wrote on the Robo-Crate it will contain an exceedingly rare robot-themed special item. I saw someone unbox the Conquistador from the robo-crate. It did have one of the new unusual effects on it, but it was not a robo-hat. I think we should change the crate to say "Or an exceedingly rare special item!" TheNoobThatWas 17:04, 18 May 2013 (PDT)
Well, I can confirm that other hats also can have new effects(, but doesn't the "robo-themed" just mean that there are robo-themed unusual effects? If so, it should maybe be changed in something like "or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item with Robo-Themed effects". Light08 17:26, 18 May 2013 (PDT)
We gotta keep it consistent so look at the other crates and make sure it is consistent if its being changed. Ashes 17:33, 18 May 2013 (PDT)

Robocrate sound

Woo 69! Anyways, should we add that the Robocrate has it's own uncrate sound? i think i was watching a Star video of uncrating it when the uncratement of the Robocrates had a different, explosion-like sound. Unless he just added these sound effects i think it is real. I will test this out myself and come back to this soon. Weirdduder10 14:29, 26 May 2013 (PDT)

It does have its own unique sound when unboxing. Much like unwrapping a present. However If the lather was not noted about sound, I don't think it should be noted either. Ashes 15:08, 26 May 2013 (PDT)
lather? That explosion sound was star's tho. Darkid (talk|contribs) 15:30, 26 May 2013 (PDT)
Latter* >.>, Also, Not sure if he's talking about offical or a custom sound. Probably custom. Ashes 15:58, 26 May 2013 (PDT)

Uncrating an unusual probability

There is a 1% chance to uncrate an unusual with every crate other than crate number 1, which grants you with a 2% chance of uncrating an unusual Squirzy 17:09, 28 May 2013 (PDT)

Any evidence for this? Darkid (talk|contribs) 17:17, 28 May 2013 (PDT)

Crate content tables not opening/closing.

The tables that show the possible crate contents simply don't open or close. All of the other tables do. I've tested this on Chrome and Safari, so its not a browser problem. Help? Odkul (talk) 22:36, 21 June 2013 (PDT)

I got this problem too, probably the javascript problem. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 22:49, 21 June 2013 (PDT)
It is a javascript issue. I'll see if i can bug Mousse or RJ about it. Ashes (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2013 (PDT)
This has since been fixed. Mousse made a boo-boo. – Smashman (talk) 07:26, 22 June 2013 (PDT)

Summer Cooler 2013 lists

  • #62: Virtual Viewfinder (All classes)
  • #63: Gaelic Golf Bag (demo)
  • #64: Horn Blower (soldier), Delinquent's Down Vest (scout)
  • #65: El Muchacho (pyro)
  • #69: Trash Toter (engineer)

From personal uncrating and from asking people, I've make this list:Knusperfrosch (talk) 19:13, 11 July 2013 (PDT)

  • #62 (Red):
    • Das GutenKutteHaren (Medic)
    • Pardner's Pompadour (Engineer)
    • The Federal Casemaker (Soldier)
    • The Virtual Viewfinder (all-class)
  • #63 (Orange):
    • The Borscht Belt (Heavy)
    • The Feelingbeterbager (Medic)
  • #64 (Yellow):
    • Das Hazmattenhatten (Medic)
    • Glasgow Great Helm (Demoman)
    • Hornblower (Soldier)
  • #65 (Green):
    • El Muchacho (Pyro)
    • Graybanns (all-class)
    • Red Army Robin (Heavy)
    • The Bolshevik Biker (Heavy)
  • #66 (Aqua):
    • The Half-Pipe Hurdler (Scout)
    • The Hive Minder (Pyro)
  • #67 (Blue):
    • Das Maddendoktor (Medic)
    • The Caffein Cooler (Scout)
    • The Falconer (Sniper)
  • #68 (Brown):
    • Das Fantzipantzen (Medic)
    • Lieutenant Bites (Soldier)
    • The Bigg Mann on Campus (Scout)
    • The Compatriot (Soldier)
    • The Flared Frontiersman (Engineer)
    • The Brawling Buccaneer (Soldier)
  • #69 (Black):
    • The Gabe Glasses (Heavy)
    • The Heavy-Weight Champ (Heavy)
    • The Soot Suit (Pyro)
    • The Trash Toter (Engineer)
    • The Whiskey Bib (Demoman)
Well the list was already made before you even posted. However if there is anything missing feel free to add it. Just make sure the percentages are corrected as well. Ashes (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2013 (PDT)

Just uncrated a Harmburg from #66 (Aqua). Don't see it listed yet so thought I'd post. Spider5799 (talk) 18:23, 12 July 2013 (PDT)

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I just uncrated a "The Belgian Detective" From an orange summer cooler (crate 63), so you'll want to add that to the drop table. I would do it, but I don't know how (I just joined) Skyblade799 (talk) 20:16, 12 July 2013 (PDT)

Pictogram tick.png Added User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 04:40, 13 July 2013 (PDT)

Someone of the regulars please add the Brawling Buccaneer to the contents of the Brown Summer Cooler crate #68. I uncrated two of those coats from it, but I have no clue how to edit crate content lists. Knusperfrosch (talk) 04:03, 14 July 2013 (PDT)

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Count With Me

Why exactly is crate 60 listed out of numerical order? The fact that it's new shouldn't excuse it from being in the wrong spot on the list. --SpenceTheChef (talk) 05:37, 2 September 2013 (PDT)

Pictogram tick.png Reordered User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 06:43, 2 September 2013 (PDT)

Dividing Active Crates into Rare/Common

I think we're getting to a point now where it might be a wise idea to start thinking about dividing the active crates into common and rare groups. What does everyone else think? Theharribokid (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2013 (PST)

Pictogram plus.png Agree I was thinking about doing this as well, glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. In fact, I'll probably just do it myself anyways. --User LordKelvin Signature.png LordKelvin 18:31, 2 December 2013 (PST)
Pictogram plus.png Agree LordKelvin said it better than I could. --User ICantThinkOfName signed.png (WHAT HAVE I SAID?!) (WHAT HAVE I DONE?!) 18:41, 2 December 2013 (PST)

Uncommon active series List is very long

Wouldn't it be wiser to make that an expandable section? Since there are so many in relation to how often they drop it's not very interesting for someone who wants to know what crates are currently active, and those crates are beyong their prime-time. Thoughts? Baraklava 13:06, 9 February 2014 (PST)

Mann Co. Supply Munitions?

So what do we plan to do now that crates have become Mann Co. Supply Munitions? Should we create a separate page for munitions, or should we just briefly mention that crates have become munitions as of series 82, and have an item infobox up for them like we did for special crates? -MarioMaster2008 (talk) 09:52, 2 April 2014 (PDT)

my brother got a munitions crate, and it has a chemistry set. what is the damned thing and what do we do with it? (user talk: Minecraftmann) 03:36, 4 april 2014
If you're referring to the chemistry set, refer to the Chemistry Set page. Ashes (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

*Weapon* Killstreak Kit

Why dont we put the redirect to the weapon page or to the killstreak page? PaoCharmoso (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2014 (PDT)

Probably best to redirect to the Killstreak page rather than the weapon. Ashes (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

Split the page to another page

Since the crate has been added for years, more than 50 series of crates exist. I think we should move the Common active series, Rare active series, Uncommon active series and Retired series in to separate pages to reduce the time to find a single series and easier to look. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 11:42, 5 April 2014 (PDT)

I suggest Active and Inactive, since most people won't immediately know which active page to look at. Darkid (Talk | Contribs) 11:55, 5 April 2014 (PDT)
I don't care the format we use to split, but I think it's the time to split now. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:10, 5 April 2014 (PDT)
Pictogram plus.png Support Yeah, moving it like Darkid said would be good. Maybe put all event crates on a page together, rather than with the other crates though. It would create less confusion between regular crates and event ones, but it's not particularly necessary. --Omolong (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2014 (PDT)


My recent edits to crate 90 and 92 regarding the rare attribute to some stranges (AWPer Hand/Ullapool Caber for crate 90; Kritzkrieg for 92) were reverted. The reason was that "the community is confused with this info". However, having them displayed at the same chance as any other item in the crate is even more misleading, if you ask me.

Can we find a compromise solution to at least makes it clear that these three items have a much lower unbox rate? - Selbi (talk) 02:45, 18 March 2015 (PDT)

Hi, nobody really knows the correct rate, I think it's best left that way, because that information is not 100% correct. (my opinion) I agree that there is actually lower rate from new crates (I tried Crate #92, I really want one Kritz), but without the real information is probably impossible. -By your friend(or not)Tark(Talk|Contribs|Steam) 04:10, 18 March 2015 (PDT)
But there is real information for it. Maybe not the exact unbox rates, but definitely a categorization within the item scheme. - Selbi (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2015 (PDT)
If you compare the Strange Wingers and Strange AWPers using it's pretty clear that the unbox rate is 1% or lower. The wiki listing rare stranges as 1% is much more accurate than an obviously wrong 9%-12%. Rolen47 (talk) 00:00, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
Fact: With the real rate, people open the crates. Without the REAL rate, people open the crates. The wiki no have problems with this, Valve yes. -By your friend(or not)Tark(Talk|Contribs|Steam) 07:04, 28 March 2015 (PDT)
It's better for the wiki to list an estimation based on evidence than to put a wrong percentage up when there is clear proof from Rolen47 (talk) 12:38, 12 May 2015 (PDT)

Crate #92 unbox rate

  • Candy Cane: 7671
  • Dalokohs Bar: 7983
  • Warrior's Spirit: 7449
  • Apoco-Fists: 7666
  • Red-Tape Recorder: 7455
  • Claidheamh Mòr: 1652
  • Wrangler: 1676
  • Shahanshah: 1623
  • Cloak and Dagger: 1671
  • Buff Banner: 1594
  • Righteous Bison Strangifier: 140 (Plus 493 Strange Rightous Bisons)
  • Kritzkrieg: 4779 (Most of these came from Crate #30, getting it from crate #92 is probably less than 1% chance)

Numbers from Pretty clear that the first 5 items have a much higher chance than the last 5 items. First 5 items seem to be around 80.37% while the last 5 are around 16.63%. The Righteous Bison Strangifier also appears to have a very low unbox rate. Going to edit the table now. Rolen47 (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2015 (PDT)

So, for me, i will leave from this discuss, it's a very stupid thing, this is very irrelevant and nobody know the real value (a.k.a. valve rate).— The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him!Contribs} 16:40, 12 May 2015 (PDT)
I swear we've had this sort of talk before and i'll just re-iterate my points once again... 1. is not always correct regarding unbox rates. Its a third party site that honestly could have skewed results, so it would not be a reliable source to note these sorts of numbers. 2. Self-calculation based off of previous stats (As you're doing here). As the first point says, isn't a reliable statisitics site for noting unbox rates, actually no site is. So the calculations could be wrong no matter how hard you try to prove it. 3. Most of this is practically speculation. If you want real numbers regarding unbox rates, get it from valve however they'll never release in the slightest. Its easier to assume through a uniform model that way nothing can be falsified heavily on skewed results/calculations. Ashes (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2015 (PDT)

Skin Cases

So what's the plans on the skin cases? Are they getting their own section or going to be added to the seriesless crates? --Dr. Scaphandre (talk) 15:30, 7 July 2015 (PDT)

May have its own section but i'll look into this. Ashes (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2015 (PDT)

Should Valve Make It So There's a Small Chance of Keys Dropping?

I personally, being a F2P user, believe that Valve should implement a system where there's a small chance that keys could drop. AnonymoususerXD45 (talk) 15:15, 18 January 2017 (PST)AnonymoususerXD45

Heyo, this isn't really place to talk about this. The discussion pages are meant for talking about the content on the page itself. General TF2 chat including suggestions should go to the SPUF, TF2 Sub Reddit or TF2 Hub. Ashes (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2017 (PST)

Should Weapon and Cosmetic Cases have their own page?

Although Cases and Crates work on the same fundamental level, I feel like Cases should be separate from the Crates as they have some major differences. For example, most, if not all Crates have their contents at roughly the same level of rarity, while Cases have tiered contents, with the lower tiers vastly more common than the higher tiers.

Jboby1 (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2017 (PDT)

considering that Valve has announced some upcoming changes to the case system, I'd say wait until then, as the changes will more than warrant the proposed split. because as of now, the only concrete difference between crates and cases is that many cases required you to pay for them to drop, in addition to paying for a key to open them. (I'm under the impression that the rarity tiers in cosmetic crates is because of simple probability, i.e. each individual item's probability is the same like with a crate but the rarer tiers are simply assigned to fewer items) --Kincyr (talk) 12:54, 22 August 2017 (PDT)

A revisit to that unusual drop rate...

So "recently" this page got corrected to match the observed (and more sensible imo) rolling-20%-upgrade chance that cases follow for determining grade (80% -> 16% -> 3.2% -> 0.8%). Gathering the items in crates for one of my discord bots I noticed that cases (on retried/active series pages) have not been updated to this % and continue to use the arbitrarily nice round numbers they were originally given. I was going to fix this, however there is another problem, these cases all have a total of 101% including unusual drops, whereas all the old crates have a 100% including the unusual percent. This has produced a few questions:

1) Should we disregard the unusual chance in the total and slap a notice that the odds are for non-unusual rolls OR endure some nasty decimals (79.2% -> 15.84% -> 3.168% -> 0.792% - all of which are going to be further divided by the amount of items in those tiers).

2) Should the unusual percent be updated to the observed ~0.66%? This stat is backed up by my personal unbox data in the ~6,000s (crawled from my inventory history), the other user in this talk page (#19), and the tf2 finance article. Comparatively, the current 1% appears to be pulled out of thin air simply because it's the smallest positive integer. It is also mentioned on the Unusual page that the chance is "less than 1%" with the tf2 finance article as a reference.

Personally I don't care too much about issue 1, half of me wants the cleaner numbers and the other half thinks the messy decimals would be more accurate and thus should be done that way. IMO when I look at the percents I don't think about the unusual chance taking away from the percents of other items so being forced to take a side I would pick option 1. On issue 2 I am in favor for changing to the more accurate percent (rubs me the wrong way how we are trying to source everything but continue to use a random number here).

Sorry if this should have been broken up into two talk points but I felt the change of the unusual percent would have an impact on people's opinions for the first question.Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 13:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

If I understand these questions correctly (My brain shuts down when it sees maths, so apologies if I get it wrong), you could have both by having something like "roughly 0.8%" and have the best of both worlds.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Ah yea, that would be perfect for the first issue. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 15:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

broken quote

The quote at the top of the article is broken. Not sure how I would fix it. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Looks fine on my end.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 09:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, it might just be how the page loaded that day... Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)