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| − | == Demoman's Fro == | + | {{Talk archive |
| − | Should this be considered hatless or not? --[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 22:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| + | | arc1link = Template talk:Hat Nav/Archive 1 |
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| − | Needs proper capitalization for names of hats. They're proper nouns. Words after the first one deserve a capital letter.
| + | Already discussed on the IRC, this template should be removed because it is an ever-expanding template, meaning once a new Summer/Scream Fortress/Smissmas Update releases, it will only grow bigger. It is already very large, too.<br>[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam] [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC) |
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| − | --[[User:Mhmm|Mhmm]] 03:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | :I don't see a point in doing this now, when it's an issue in the future it can be replaced but for now it's not an issue. I know this is related to your remake of the taunt nav which I said was just gonna grow larger and larger, but we aren't just gonna delete things because they might be too large in the next few years.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC) |
| − | :No. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 03:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | |
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| − | : I have a copy of the HatNav with capitalisation. All that's needed is the capitalised versions of all the hats to be moved to the non-capitalised ones before I implement it. I see you're getting on with some of that now, I'll help you. --[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 03:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::It seems consensus has been reach to change to proper capitalisation. Previously the policy was different to keep consistency. Feel free to update this template. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 04:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Category: Hats ==
| + | Seems like the lists of cosmetics could/should be separate templates. So for example the Scout section of {{tl|Hat Nav}} has the exact same list of items as the Cosmetics section of {{tl|Scout Nav}}. You end up putting the same information twice in two different places when updating the navs and it feels like it could just be a template that's shared between Hat Nav and the Class Navs. So make a template that just has the lists of cosmetics and transclude it in place on both. Might even be able to give it parameters and have one template with all 9 classes. I tested it out using show preview and [[User:Mediarch/Demman Uncensored|this page here]] and it seemed to work fine. I'm not a template expert so maybe it would break or something but was just something I noticed when updating the navs. Let me know what you think. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 02:51, 15 October 2025 (UTC) |
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| − | Currently the template includes [[:Category:Hats]] on every page it is transcluded in. While this is, for the most part, a good thing, there are a number of miscellaneous items where including Cat:Hats is probably a bad thing, as they are not hats. It's been a while since I've used parserfunctions, and I'm a little rusty with them, but I believe something like the below would not include Cat:Hats if the parameter category was passed to the template args, and was not blank? I guess it could be expanded so that if the category parameter is passed then the value of the category parameter '''is''' the name of the category included, but I cant remember how the switch statements worked either.
| + | : {{c|support}} I think this would be nice to add, it makes it use one universal navigation template.<br><span style="font-family: TF2 Build;">[[User: Plutonium|<font color="FF4D00">Plutonium</font>]] {{User:Plutonium/Template:Sig/!}} {{FC|darkorange|(}}[[User talk:Plutonium|<font color="E3B778">talk</font>]]{{FC|darkorange|)}} {{User:Plutonium/Template:Sig/!}} {{FC|darkorange|(}}[[Special:Contributions/Plutonium|<font color="E3B778">contributions</font>]]{{FC|darkorange|)}} {{User:Plutonium/Template:Sig/!}} [[File:User Plutonium Profile.png|20x20px|link=Meet the Heavy]]</span> 13:37, 15 October 2025 (UTC) |
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| − | In other words, could someone a little more experienced check it over before I go causing havok? Cheers. [[User:Lamb|Lamb]] 22:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
| + | : Sounds fine to me though not sure if there are any technical issues with this here.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC) |
| − | :Your syntax would work perfectly, however, it'd probably be better if we just remove {{tl|lang cat}} from the hat nav altogether, considering that pages are placed in Hat and Misc categories automatically by the infobox. Thanks for the suggestion, though. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#0B61A4">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%;">[talk]</span>]] 22:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Fair enough, I had not noticed that the infobox also included the categories. [[User:Lamb|Lamb]] 22:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Splitting badges from misc. items ==
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| − | Just like hatless and polycount are separated from hats. Looks like crap here but you'll get the point.
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| − | --[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 16:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Consider changing? This template is getting huge ==
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| − | Should we consider splitting this into several class-specific templates or similar? After the Polycount update, this has mutated out of control. It often takes up more space than the content of the actual pages now. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|t]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|c]])</sup> 19:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :At the very least, I think the template should have a separate section for hatless items, like there's a category at the bottom for Misc. items. What bothers me most about this template isn't its size so much as it is flatout unorganized and just looks messy. I feel like just shifting things around and organizing the template would make it much more manageable in terms of size, but honestly I don't know much about editing templates so I'm afraid to mess with it myself. [[User:Evang7|Evang7]] 17:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Change from vertical table to horizontal list ==
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| − | I'm thinking that with the number of stuff there is now (and it'll only get bigger), it may be a good idea to lose the table format and put this tempalte into more of a row-list format like this:
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| − | | title = [[Hats]] and [[Miscellaneous items]]
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| − | | bodystyle = width: 100%; margin: 1em 0em;
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| − | | groupstyle = background: #f9d483; width: 5%; text-align: center; font-size: 105%;
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| − | | group1 = [[Scout]]
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| − | | list1 = '''Hats:''' [[Batter's Helmet]] • [[Bonk Helm]] • [[Ye Olde Baker Boy]] • [[Troublemaker's Tossle Cap]] • [[Whoopee Cap]] • [[Baseball Bill's Sports Shine]] • [[Milkman]] • [[Bombing Run]]
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| − | | group2 = [[Soldier]]
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| − | | list2 = '''Hats:''' [[Soldier's Stash]] • [[Tyrant's Helm]] • [[Stainless Pot]] • [[Killer's Kabuto]] • [[Sergeant's Drill Hat]] • [[Lumbricus Lid]] • [[Grenadier's Softcap]] • [[Chieftain's Challenge]] • [[Stout Shako]] • [[Dr's Dapper Topper]]<br>'''Misc:''' [[Gentle Manne's Service Medal]]
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| − | | group3 = [[Pyro]]
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| − | | list3 = '''Hats:''' [[Pyro's Beanie]] • [[Brigade Helm]] • [[Respectless Rubber Glove]] • [[Triboniophorus Tyrannus]] • [[Vintage Merryweather]] • [[Attendant]] • [[Handyman's Handle]] • [[Napper's Respite]] • [[Old Guadalajara]]<br>'''Misc:''' [[Whiskered Gentleman]]
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| − | | group4 = [[Demoman]]
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| − | | list4 = '''Hats:''' [[Demoman's Fro]] • [[Glengarry Bonnet]] • [[Scotsman's Stove Pipe]] • [[Hustler's Hallmark]] • [[Tippler's Tricorne]] • [[Carouser's Capotain]] • [[Sober Stuntman]] • [[Rimmed Raincatcher]]
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| − | | group5 = [[Heavy]]
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| − | | list5 = '''Hats:''' [[Football Helmet]] • [[Officer's Ushanka]] • [[Tough Guy's Toque]] • [[Hound Dog]] • [[Heavy Duty Rag]] • [[Pugilist's Protector]] • [[Hard Counter]] • [[Cadaver's Cranium]]
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| − | | group6 = [[Engineer]]
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| − | | list6 = '''Hats:''' [[Mining Light]] • [[Texas Ten Gallon]] • [[Engineer's Cap]] • [[Hotrod]] • [[Safe'n'Sound]] • [[Texas Slim's Dome Shine]]
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| − | | group7 = [[Medic]]
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| − | | list7 = '''Hats:''' [[Prussian Pickelhaube]] • [[Vintage Tyrolean]] • [[Otolaryngologist's Mirror]] • [[Ze Goggles]] • [[Gentleman's Gatsby]]<br>'''Misc:''' [[Physician's Procedure Mask]]
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| − | | group8 = [[Sniper]]
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| − | | list8 = '''Hats:''' [[Trophy Belt]] • [[Professional's Panama]] • [[Master's Yellow Belt]] • [[Shooter's Sola Topi]] • [[Bloke's Bucket Hat]] • [[Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative]] • [[Ol' Snaggletooth]]
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| − | | group9 = [[Spy]]
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| − | | list9 = '''Hats:''' [[Fancy Fedora]] • [[Backbiter's Billycock]] • [[Magistrate's Mullet]] • [[Frenchman's Beret]] • [[Familiar Fez]]<br>'''Misc:''' [[Camera Beard]]
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| − | | list10 = '''Hats:''' [[Cheater's Lament]] • [[Ghastly Gibus]] • [[Mildly Disturbing Halloween Mask]] • [[Bill's Hat]] • [[Alien Swarm Parasite]] • [[Modest Pile of Hat]] • [[Noble Amassment of Hats]] • [[Towering Pillar of Hats]] • [[Max's Severed Head]] • [[Wiki Cap]] • [[Mann Co. Cap]] • [[Ellis' Cap]] • [[Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head]] • [[Horrific Headsplitter]] • [[Spine-Chilling Skull]] • [[Voodoo Juju]] • [[Halloween Masks]] • [[Saxton Hale Mask]] • [[Ghastlier Gibus]]<br>'''Misc:''' [[Earbuds]] • [[119th Update|119th Medals]] ([[Primeval Warrior|{{tooltip|P|Primeval Warrior}}]]{{md}}[[Grizzled Veteran|{{tooltip|G|Grizzled Veteran}}]]{{md}}[[Soldier of Fortune|{{tooltip|S|Soldier of Fortune}}]]{{md}}[[Mercenary|{{tooltip|M|Mercenary}}]]) • [[Dueling Mini-Game|Dueling Badges]] ([[Platinum Dueling Badge|{{tooltip|P|Platinum}}]]{{md}}[[Gold Dueling Badge|{{tooltip|G|Gold}}]]{{md}}[[Silver Dueling Badge|{{tooltip|S|Silver}}]]{{md}}[[Bronze Dueling Badge|{{tooltip|B|Bronze}}]]) • [[Polycount Pin]]
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| − | Looking at the current template, this idea takes up three-fifths the space (approximately) and doesn't have large blank chunks in the middle of nowhere. Maybe we could even use small icons, although that would look pretty cluttered. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 17:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Uh, shall I bump this? (Large recent edit numbers have probably hidden this suggestion.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 20:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | (Maybe [[Template:Allweapons Nav]] could also benefit from this idea, although since weapons need to be organized a bit more than just a bunch of rows it may not work out.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 20:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|support}}-[[User:Shine|<font color="#666666">'''Shine'''</font>]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>{{mod}}<nowiki>]</nowiki> 20:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|support}}: Also, maybe try adding mini-icons like for the weapons? {{Icon weapon|weapon=Force-A-Nature|Force-A-Nature|icon-size=40x40px}} Or would that make it too big again? --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] 20:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Icons would look cool, but I think it would look too big again if we have both icons and text. So it'd look like [[Template:Achievements]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 20:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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