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I can possibly translate this page into russian. Can I have permission? Or do I just do it without asking?[[User:Sandvich Heavinski|Sandvich Heavinski]] 02:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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Oops, did'nt realize there was already a russian one. I'll do Slovak then. :D[[User:Sandvich Heavinski|Sandvich Heavinski]] 02:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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==Achievement change(s)==
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== Achievement Demonstrations on own YouTube channel ==
I've noticed recently that the "duty bound" achievement for Soldier was changed from killing an opponent before you land to killing an opponent before you land or shortly after. Not sure if that is the only change, but I think it is worth looking into to see if other achievements may have been changed.
 
[[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 22:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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[[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Weapon_Demonstration|Weapon demonstrations]] are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 [[achievements]]? Introducing [https://www.drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE Achievement Demonstrations]! ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGNf5H5IRU Video])
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=== ''"Why demonstrate achievements?"'' ===
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TF2 has '''hundreds''' of achievements, with many having rather ''vague'' descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.
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=== ''"How should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. [[Strategy#Achievement_strategies|This page]] should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the [[Scout]] by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus [[bots]], though versing another player will be necessary at times.
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* '''''[[Taunts#Kill_taunts|Taunt kill]] and [[Deathcam]]-related achievements:''''' Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
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* '''''Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time:''''' Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
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* '''''[[Achievement_items|Milestone achievements]]:''''' Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
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* '''''Achievements requiring Steam friends:''''' These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
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* '''''Unobtainable achievements (ie certain [[Replay_achievements|Replay achievements]]):''''' Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
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* '''''[[Achievements#Joke_achievements|Joke achievements]]:''''' A demonstration should not be necessary for these.
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=== ''"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in [[Valve_Hammer_Editor|Hammer]] with altered bot spawn locations.
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* '''''[[Arena]] achievements:''''' arena_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Capture the Flag]] achievements:''''' ctf_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Control point]] achievements:''''' cp_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[King of the Hill]] achievements:''''' koth_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Mann_vs._Machievements|MvM achievements]]:''''' mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
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* '''''[[Payload]] achievements:''''' pl_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[List_of_maps|Map]]-specific achievements:''''' The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
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* '''''Event-related achievements:''''' tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
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* '''''[[Replay]] achievements:''''' Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.
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[[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 19:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  
I'm not sure where to put this, but I believe it would be important to tell. So I was 6000 damage points away from achieving "Tartan Spartan" (1000000 points of blast damage as Demoman) when I decided to reset my stats. To my chagrin, I lost all progress towards that achievement as well as my stats. A warning should be put somewhere...
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:I think this won't add much, if an achievement is extraordinarily difficult (see: Merasmus TV one) it may be worth making a video in the form of just a link. Otherwise, I think most of the achievements explain themselves pretty well. For confusing ones, though, feel free to turn this discussion into some confusing achievements that may benefit from videos.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
[[User:InShane|InShane]], 19 November 2010
 
:What did you expect to happen though? [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 08:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 
::I expected my stats to be reset, not my achievement progress. [[User:InShane|InShane]], 19 November 2010
 
 
 
==Leaderboard Icons==
 
What do you think about adding leaderboard class icons next to classes' sections? Like this: <br>
 
===[[Scout]]===
 
[[File:Leaderboard class scout.png|left|55 px]]
 
'''[[Scout achievements|Scout pack]]'''<br>
 
35 '''achievements''', 3 [[Scout achievements#milestones|Milestones]].<br>
 
<small>[[Obtaining Scout achievements]]</small>
 
 
 
IMO it doesn't clutter the page and offers a quicker reference. --[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 10:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I think that's a great idea, I don't see a problem with it. [[User:Guy|Guy]] 21:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 
:: Whoops, THIS suggestion slipped under that radar! Go for it! --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]]&nbsp;{{mod}}&nbsp;[[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 21:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::: I like! Easier to find and click the links to each achievements page --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]]&nbsp;{{mod}}&nbsp;[[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 21:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Just a quick note, could you please make it so the offense class achievement packs are placed in the top row, and the defense classes are placed in the middle row and the support classes displayed in the bottom row? I just find it would help with confusion, but either ways I guess it still works. [[User:Guy|Guy]] 11:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
==High Resolution Icons==
 
So I'd noticed that all of the class achievements have 512x512 versions of their normal 64x64 icons. I know for a fact that the GCF does not actually have such high resolution icons, so I figured that this could be applied to the original achievements. I redid a couple of them and uploaded them, but the first was reverted because it was "fanmade". Can this rule be clarified? -[[User:Nerdboy|Nerdboy]] 01:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
:On some updates, valve released the achievement icons in 512x512 variants.  For example in the [http://www.teamfortress.com/screamfortress/ Scream Fortress page], under "Ghostchievements" there is a link, "Download the icon set".  The original achievements never had a n icon-set released, and thus we can only use the ones extracted from the GCF.  I hope this answers your question.  -[[User:RJackson|<span class="burbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]]{{Sta}} 13:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
::Thanks for clearing that up. I also went ahead and uploaded the higher quality Ghostchievements. -[[User:Nerdboy|Nerdboy]] 21:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Redirect Achievement names to class achievement pages ==
 
Should the specific achievement names redirect to their respective class achievement pages? e.g. Caught Napping will redirect to [[Scout achievements]], Factory Worker will redirect to [[Heavy achievements]], etc.
 
Just a thought. - [[User:LingoSalad|<font face="TF2 Build" color="#990099">LingoSalad</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:LingoSalad|talk]])</sub> 22:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 

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Achievement Demonstrations on own YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

  • Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
  • Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
  • Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
  • Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
  • Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
  • Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

  • Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
  • Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
  • Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
  • King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
  • MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
  • Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
  • Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
  • Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
  • Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I think this won't add much, if an achievement is extraordinarily difficult (see: Merasmus TV one) it may be worth making a video in the form of just a link. Otherwise, I think most of the achievements explain themselves pretty well. For confusing ones, though, feel free to turn this discussion into some confusing achievements that may benefit from videos.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)