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+ | Are we doing former employees as well? If not, I would still suggest Drew be added given he was responsible for the female class concept art. And as of the source code leak from April 2020 we now know that female classes were an idea Valve was considering, and as of a smaller private leak, we also know which female soldier from his concepts was picked and modelled. The source dev repo apparently has all the other female classes (minus Pyro as there was never any female Pyro concept art) and some in the community right now know exactly which concepts for which class were picked but it's quite secretive so I don't know if we'll ever find out. Basically, since we already have info on the wiki detailing the female classes and the staging build convar. Why not also have a page for Drew? [[User:Thefixer2021|Thefixer2021]] ([[User talk:Thefixer2021|talk]]) 17:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC) |
Revision as of 17:09, 25 July 2021
Contents
- 1 "Valve employees" to "Valve executive staff"
- 2 Other Valve employees?
- 3 Steam names and other aliases
- 4 Completion of Comics
- 5 Translations
- 6 Delete Moby Francke / Adrian Finol?
- 7 Delete Adrian Finol?
- 8 Dario Casali
- 9 Dhabih Eng
- 10 Jeff Ballinger
- 11 name language switching in Notable_Person_Nav template
- 12 Drew Wolf?
"Valve employees" to "Valve executive staff"
"Valve employees" at once seemed natural, but problematic. It seems, much of the "Category:Media artists, colorists, writers, etc" are Valve employees, and if any aren't it is not really any conflict with the category.
Using Valve employee in the manner collides with the employee user pages cat.
I propose moving Gabe Newell and Robin Walker to "Category:Valve executive staff
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I interpret lack of comment as acquiesce at least. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Dead! -- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- For now, I am extending the category to "senior staff", too harried to modify the category.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Other Valve employees?
Are there any other particularly important Valve employees mentioned and linked within the wiki (exclusive of User pages) that should be added? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Erik Johnson, Jay Pinkerton, Greg Cherlin, Dhabih Eng, Eric Smith, Jakob Jungels, Eric Kirchmer are mentioned as Contributing Staff on TF2 Blog FiatSeicento 19:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Right. Thanks for the Robin link to TF2 Blog. I am unready about the rest. As for me, only a couple of the give the slightest tingle of maybe I've heard of them. (Here is where you post, "C'mon Mika! They's the guy that such and such!")
- To your Blog Posters list, add Dave Riller, Corey Peters and others on that column? At least, I am certain I have heard of them -- Works: Level designers of Gorge and Viaduct, respectively???
- (This could be a discussion, so, note to all editors, please outdent additional candidates.)
- I figured more of the focus of the employee scan was to look for ones with either links already or the prose that mentions them also describes their notability.
- Maybe doing a lot of blog posts is notable in of itself, but only 1? (Oh, no, not another notability greyscale).
- Valve probably doesn't let nobodies post, so we should be able to cite why they are notable besides the blog posts. Maybe that was your point, the list of Blog Posters represent people who have importance in Valve wrt TF2; I suggest that it is more than just stating that they are blog posters.
- For a start, there is the Power Play list.
- Several of the Blog Posters also participated in the developer commentaries, another whole can of worms. (Mr. Newell is listed because he produced the game, not because he did commentaries.)
- Even if they are in the list, we shouldn't include them if we can't confidently state their job title or accomplishments (level designer of [map name here]). You might know those details already, I'm not critical here, I couldn't do pages for these guy myself.
- I think good idea would be to list their titles and works for review.
- Maybe we need a list of known employees in a worksheet table for people to submit notability, or was that your idea already.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I believe it would be applicable to note the current members of the TF Team, but due to the dynamics of Valve's worker policy it might prove a difficult task - instead, we should note long-term developers within said team, those that have contributed over the course of development. I have two new candidates for that: John Schoenick and Tony Paloma.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Now, as far as I'm concerned, those two have been a part of the TF Team for a long time, though I'm unsure whether Tony is still consistently part of it. The thing is though, that their role is a bit uncertain besides being the primary developers/programmers of the game. Still, I believe it is enough for notability. Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wok: A Rubric: Are they mentioned in the wiki for their contribution/works? If not, is the wiki incomplete for their absence? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not entirely. They are both mentioned as being part of the nine Steam accounts with the ability to use Power Play. The people on that list are assumed to be (or have been) among the frequent/main developers of the game, given their status. There is also a few references to Tony's old posts from SPUF and in the older patch notes, but that's about it. As for social networks, they are both titled as software engineers on their LinkedIn profiles, so probably not enough coverage for notability when it comes down to it. Wookipan (talk | contribs) 20:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Corey Peters ???
- Did he do Viaduct (cite blog post?)
- portrayed in Art Pass Comic
Dario Casali
- level designer
- Casali Shafting
- was poorly linked in Art Pass Contest
Ian Caughley?
Tf Managing Director
- Both are on my sandbox. However, there's nothing about Caughley in the internet. Maybe would be better to do a list of developers of Team fortress series · Ashe (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, same sort of problem with John Cook, Mr. Caughley may have been an important developer of the original games, but maybe not as important or involved later in the game as Walker? "Maybe would be better to do a list of developers of Team fortress series", but not as an NP page, rather, within one of the pages about Team Fortress series development.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I found some sources M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- Who is this guy claiming to have sources? I can't find jack!
- Here is Ian Caughley's Linked in profile.
- Caughley may have been key to TF2 up to 1999, but didn't follow Walker to Valve? ("I'd forget about him. He's got hisself a fancy job now.")
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 00:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Done Fiat notability as member of the three original TF developers broadly mentioned Community media as a set. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Dave Riller?
- Lead engineer /level designer
Done
John Cook!
... Online Development Manager
- Expiration Date, Co-director
- Team Fortress 2, Lead designer
etc?
Done
Erik Wolpaw!
He has a WP bio
Erik Wolpaw is a video game writer for Valve. He is noted in Team Fortress 2 for the writing of several Movies and Comics.
- Meet the Team movies, Writer
Done
Jay Pinkerton!
- Jungle Inferno, Writer
- comics
Done
Steam names and other aliases
Thinking about including the EmNudge alias of Kipperman got me to thinking about whether, when and how to include aliases. For Makani, it seemed pretty natural; the wiki has used that name for some time, and she uses it herself on her art accounts. And maybe Robin and EmNudge are stable enough to list, and Driller, too. Others might have to get a judgement call? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- If it is a fairly common nickname/alias used widely to refer to that one person, e.g. Gaben, then I don't see an issue with it. Just an a.k.a., really. Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Completion of Comics
- Sarah "Fayren" Stone
- Nick Filardi : Unhappy returns /Ring of fired /A Fate Worse Than Chess/Blood Brothers
- Minttu "TheMinttu" Hynninen : True Meaning
- Michael Oeming : "artist for earlier Comics" : Bombinomicon (comic)/Grordbort's Crash/Bidwell's Big Plan/A Visual History/WAR! Comic/The Insult That Made a "Jarate Master" Out of Sniper
- Death of a Sales-Bot team
<just link to their Steam pages all on one link page and explain it as part of a community update> <or just use the Steam links on the Death of a Sales-Bot (as is)>
- Artist: The Heartsman
- Writer: Cat Bountry (words)
- NassimO (letters)
- Colorist: InfaredFox
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Translations
Should the translators start to make the translated pages? Or should we wait a little longer? · Ashe (talk) 02:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see a reason not to on the ones that have passed review.
- I had wondered whether any translation switching should be set up, but that has not been the standard, see Portal 2.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I also wonder about turning the hatnote into a translation switched template.
- Probably should have been a template from the start.
- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 16:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I may give it a shot tomorrow. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Delete Adrian Finol?
- In the original joint topic, no discussion of Adrian Finol specifically was made, pro or con. Opportunity is given here to specifically close this nomination for deletion.
At the risk of prejudicing the discussion, the issue for me is lack of citation in the present page for notability with respect to TF2. The statement is "a main developer", rather than "the main developer", and the provided link provides nothing to support either claim. "Main developer" is not particulary concrete.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 22:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Dario Casali
- level designer
- Casali Shafting
- was poorly linked in Art Pass Contest
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 12:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Dhabih Eng
Similar situation to Moby Francke:
- Important TF2 development artist
- Images of character concepts in Valve's gallery
- Multiple(?) blog posts
- Multiple(?) blog mentions
- Multiple uses of their art on this wiki without attribution
- Needs Category:Dhabih Eng
- Need identification of their personal gallery here
★M★I★K★A★D★O★1776!★ oOOOOo oo oo (talk) (Help Wanted!) 13:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Jeff Ballinger
We knew Ballinger was important. Moby Francke says why: Moby Francke presentation to game artists, 2012
M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 02:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
All names in {{Notable_Person_Nav}}
is in English currently. In all translated zh-hans notable person pages, the person's name in the page title and the content was being translated to zh-hans. It's been a thing in Chinese Wikipedia too. I wonder if we should implement language switching to person name in the {{Notable_Person_Nav}}
, so it looks more consistent.
--Alex┋T 15:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Drew Wolf?
Are we doing former employees as well? If not, I would still suggest Drew be added given he was responsible for the female class concept art. And as of the source code leak from April 2020 we now know that female classes were an idea Valve was considering, and as of a smaller private leak, we also know which female soldier from his concepts was picked and modelled. The source dev repo apparently has all the other female classes (minus Pyro as there was never any female Pyro concept art) and some in the community right now know exactly which concepts for which class were picked but it's quite secretive so I don't know if we'll ever find out. Basically, since we already have info on the wiki detailing the female classes and the staging build convar. Why not also have a page for Drew? Thefixer2021 (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)