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"Valve employees" to "Valve executive staff"

"Valve employees" at once seemed natural, but problematic. It seems, much of the "Category:Media artists, colorists, writers, etc" are Valve employees, and if any aren't it is not really any conflict with the category.

Using Valve employee in the manner collides with the employee user pages cat.

I propose moving Gabe Newell and Robin Walker to "Category:Valve executive staff

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I interpret lack of comment as acquiesce at least. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png Dead! -- M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
For now, I am extending the category to "senior staff", too harried to modify the category.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Other Valve employees?

Are there any other particularly important Valve employees mentioned and linked within the wiki (exclusive of User pages) that should be added? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 17:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Erik Johnson, Jay Pinkerton, Greg Cherlin, Dhabih Eng, Eric Smith, Jakob Jungels, Eric Kirchmer are mentioned as Contributing Staff on TF2 Blog Killicon hhg.pngFiatSeicentoKillicon hhg.png 19:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Right. Thanks for the Robin link to TF2 Blog. I am unready about the rest. As for me, only a couple of the give the slightest tingle of maybe I've heard of them. (Here is where you post, "C'mon Mika! They's the guy that such and such!")
To your Blog Posters list, add Dave Riller, Corey Peters and others on that column? At least, I am certain I have heard of them -- Works: Level designers of Gorge and Viaduct, respectively???
(This could be a discussion, so, note to all editors, please outdent additional candidates.)
I figured more of the focus of the employee scan was to look for ones with either links already or the prose that mentions them also describes their notability.
Maybe doing a lot of blog posts is notable in of itself, but only 1? (Oh, no, not another notability greyscale).
Valve probably doesn't let nobodies post, so we should be able to cite why they are notable besides the blog posts. Maybe that was your point, the list of Blog Posters represent people who have importance in Valve wrt TF2; I suggest that it is more than just stating that they are blog posters.
For a start, there is the Power Play list.
Several of the Blog Posters also participated in the developer commentaries, another whole can of worms. (Mr. Newell is listed because he produced the game, not because he did commentaries.)
Even if they are in the list, we shouldn't include them if we can't confidently state their job title or accomplishments (level designer of [map name here]). You might know those details already, I'm not critical here, I couldn't do pages for these guy myself.
I think good idea would be to list their titles and works for review.
Maybe we need a list of known employees in a worksheet table for people to submit notability, or was that your idea already.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, I believe it would be applicable to note the current members of the TF Team, but due to the dynamics of Valve's worker policy it might prove a difficult task - instead, we should note long-term developers within said team, those that have contributed over the course of development. I have two new candidates for that: John Schoenick and Tony Paloma.
Now, as far as I'm concerned, those two have been a part of the TF Team for a long time, though I'm unsure whether Tony is still consistently part of it. The thing is though, that their role is a bit uncertain besides being the primary developers/programmers of the game. Still, I believe it is enough for notability. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Wok: A Rubric: Are they mentioned in the wiki for their contribution/works? If not, is the wiki incomplete for their absence? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Not entirely. They are both mentioned as being part of the nine Steam accounts with the ability to use Power Play. The people on that list are assumed to be (or have been) among the frequent/main developers of the game, given their status. There is also a few references to Tony's old posts from SPUF and in the older patch notes, but that's about it. As for social networks, they are both titled as software engineers on their LinkedIn profiles, so probably not enough coverage for notability when it comes down to it. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 20:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Corey Peters ???

  • Did he do Viaduct (cite blog post?)
  • portrayed in Art Pass Comic

Dario Casali

Ian Caughley?

Tf Managing Director

Both are on my sandbox. However, there's nothing about Caughley in the internet. Maybe would be better to do a list of developers of Team fortress series · Ashe (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, same sort of problem with John Cook, Mr. Caughley may have been an important developer of the original games, but maybe not as important or involved later in the game as Walker? "Maybe would be better to do a list of developers of Team fortress series", but not as an NP page, rather, within one of the pages about Team Fortress series development.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I found some sources M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 04:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Who is this guy claiming to have sources? I can't find jack!
Here is Ian Caughley's Linked in profile.
Caughley may have been key to TF2 up to 1999, but didn't follow Walker to Valve? ("I'd forget about him. He's got hisself a fancy job now.")
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 00:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Pictogram tick.png Done Fiat notability as member of the three original TF developers broadly mentioned Community media as a set. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Dave Riller?

  • Lead engineer /level designer

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John Cook!

... Online Development Manager

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Erik Wolpaw!

He has a WP bio

Erik Wolpaw is a video game writer for Valve. He is noted in Team Fortress 2 for the writing of several Movies and Comics.

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Jay Pinkerton!

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Steam names and other aliases

Thinking about including the EmNudge alias of Kipperman got me to thinking about whether, when and how to include aliases. For Makani, it seemed pretty natural; the wiki has used that name for some time, and she uses it herself on her art accounts. And maybe Robin and EmNudge are stable enough to list, and Driller, too. Others might have to get a judgement call? M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 02:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

If it is a fairly common nickname/alias used widely to refer to that one person, e.g. Gaben, then I don't see an issue with it. Just an a.k.a., really. User Wookipan Golden Strawberry.png Wookipan (talk | contribs) 21:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Completion of Comics

  • Sarah "Fayren" Stone
  • Nick Filardi : Unhappy returns /Ring of fired /A Fate Worse Than Chess/Blood Brothers
  • Minttu "TheMinttu" Hynninen : True Meaning
  • Michael Oeming : "artist for earlier Comics" : Bombinomicon (comic)/Grordbort's Crash/Bidwell's Big Plan/A Visual History/WAR! Comic/The Insult That Made a "Jarate Master" Out of Sniper

Death of a Sales-Bot team

<just link to their Steam pages all on one link page and explain it as part of a community update> <or just use the Steam links on the Death of a Sales-Bot (as is)>

  • Artist: The Heartsman
  • Writer: Cat Bountry (words)
  • NassimO (letters)
  • Colorist: InfaredFox

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Working on it! · Ashe (talk) 04:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


Should the translators start to make the translated pages? Or should we wait a little longer? · Ashe (talk) 02:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a reason not to on the ones that have passed review.
I had wondered whether any translation switching should be set up, but that has not been the standard, see Portal 2.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I also wonder about turning the hatnote into a translation switched template.
Probably should have been a template from the start.
M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 16:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I made a simple example ··· Ashe (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Well now is a template · Ashe (talk) 03:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I may give it a shot tomorrow. M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Delete Adrian Finol?

In the original joint topic, no discussion of Adrian Finol specifically was made, pro or con. Opportunity is given here to specifically close this nomination for deletion.

At the risk of prejudicing the discussion, the issue for me is lack of citation in the present page for notability with respect to TF2. The statement is "a main developer", rather than "the main developer", and the provided link provides nothing to support either claim. "Main developer" is not particular concrete.

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 22:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

The page is now "deleted" (conjecturally moved to my user space) for non-response to requests. Additionally the page was committed to main space before review. This nomination can move forward as soon as notable works are clearly identified. Finol's only mention on the wiki is as developer commentary; consensus is that alone is insufficient. M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 12:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Did a bit of digging around Adrian Finol, to see if I could come up with anything useful. Most interesting is that I did find a mention of him on an early TF2 blog post (for the Sam & Max promotion) here. There are also some other useful archived links from Valve's website that mention him:
This seems to point towards him playing a small role on the TF Team somewhat early in his career at Valve, before moving on to become a Senior Developer on Dota 2. Again, it's difficult to define due to Valve's relaxed "teams" of developers being able to move to whichever project they choose. Personally, I think this probably confirms it's not necessary for him to have his own article - his mentions on the developer commentary articles, and any other 'list of Valve employee' pages should be sufficient. Epsilonal (talk) 15:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
While I hate to close this, there is just the one mention of Adrian Finol on the wiki. His NPP page hasn't been deleted, but I it is in my user space here, User:Mikado282/Sandbox/Adrian Finol, if anyone provides further cases for TF2 NPP.
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Dario Casali

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 12:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Dhabih Eng

Similar situation to Moby Francke:

  • Important TF2 development artist
  • Images of character concepts in Valve's gallery
  • Multiple(?) blog posts
  • Multiple(?) blog mentions
  • Multiple uses of their art on this wiki without attribution
    • Needs Category:Dhabih Eng
    • Need identification of their personal gallery here

MIKADO★1776!★ oOOOOo oo oo  (talk) (Help Wanted!) 13:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Jeff Ballinger

We knew Ballinger was important. Moby Francke says why: Moby Francke presentation to game artists, 2012

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 02:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Note to self: Jeff Ballinger's painting Farm won entry into the Into the Pixel videogame art exhibition for the year 2007.[1]
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 04:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

name language switching in Notable_Person_Nav template

All names in {{Notable_Person_Nav}} is in English currently. In all translated zh-hans notable person pages, the person's name in the page title and the content was being translated to zh-hans. It's been a thing in Chinese Wikipedia too. I wonder if we should implement language switching to person name in the {{Notable_Person_Nav}}, so it looks more consistent.

--AlexT 15:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Drew Wolf?

Are we doing former employees as well? If not, I would still suggest Drew be added given he was responsible for the female class concept art. And as of the source code leak from April 2020 we now know that female classes were an idea Valve was considering, and as of a smaller private leak, we also know which female soldier from his concepts was picked and modelled. The source dev repo apparently has all the other female classes (minus Pyro as there was never any female Pyro concept art) and some in the community right now know exactly which concepts for which class were picked but it's quite secretive so I don't know if we'll ever find out. Basically, since we already have info on the wiki detailing the female classes and the staging build convar. Why not also have a page for Drew? Thefixer2021 (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

We have two things:
  • An unused switch in the leaked software
  • An internal pitch, which appears to (perhaps derivatively) extend other's work at the time, but no evidence of anything like the serious further efforts that went into the present classes after that stage. It may be speculation that this pitch was noteworthy, even given that it was a team pitch.
Has anyone with Valve said anything about Drew Wolf besides "getting an M&Ms stuck up his nose"? Googling drew wolf tf2 garnered huge number of hits but they are all single-source spawned speculations from Wolf's upload of his images and one paragraph of commentary. Obviously, he had something important to do at Valve other than this, but what was it? Maybe it was non-game media?
Oooooh! Guys! Look what this Boooooomer found that you didn't!
Drew Wolf did important event and update page Illustrations for TF2!
I have been meaning to get that running away from the ghost image onto my profile.
This plus the name drops in Valve postings is notable,
after someone reports back here that all of the file summaries of these images cite Drew Wolf Art and are linked to Drew Wolf.
( Drew Wolf linked in )
( Raid Base staff profiles scroll down )
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Finer point: While perhaps unique Trivia, Drew's participation in an unsuccessfull group that pitched female characters for TF2 is by far not the most notable actual contribution he made to the game. Unfortunately, however, reporting of the failed pitch is the only mention of him in the wiki. I would not support NP unless verified Files of Wolf's influential TF2 art has been updated with linked attribution to him.
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 13:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Stephane Gaudette

Also Stephane Gaudette. IIRC he was responsible for the creation of the CTF Badlands map and has screenshots in the map on his art portfolio. Again, the wiki also covers this so why not him as well? Thefixer2021 (talk) 17:14, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Please provide link and citation.
M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 03:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Community voice actors

Just an opening post to acknowledge discussion of status of Community voice actors. With Community developers, the premise is that a single link to their Steam profile is sufficient. Should this be no different in the case Community developers that provide voice responses?

Calvin Kipperman would be an associated, but maybe different discussion.

M I K A D O 282 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃 🎃🎃 🎃🎃 (talk | contribs) (Help Wanted!) 18:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Personally I think it's fine to list them on the voice actors page, but they do not need their own page.
GrampaSwood (talk) 19:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
I would argue in favor of adding them as a footnote at the bottom of the Voice actors page, like I did in an edit that was reverted. It's out of the way and unintrusive, but still serves to inform and provide information that has been stated on other pages, but in a relevant, additional page where people might go to seek the information. Dogman15 (talk) 12:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Apparently more discussion is needed on this. So... I've said my piece. Please, discuss away. Anyone at all. More consensus. Dogman15 (talk) 04:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed addition:
==Community voice actors==
* {{Steamid|76561198095055365}} (Calvin Kipperman) - voice of Davy Jones on [[Cursed Cove]]
* {{Steamid|76561198031530139}} (Matthew Simmons) - voice of The Toastmaster on [[Sinthetic]] and The Farmer on [[Farmageddon]]
* {{Steamid|76561197988141888}} (Benjamin Blåholtz) - voice of Morice the Pumpkin on [[Farmageddon]]
* {{Steamid|76561198014717105}} (Benjamin Rudman) - voice of Dr. Freakinhuge and Professor Bigginsize on [[Crasher]]

Important people on social media

I was thinking recently, that what if we add additional site where these people are found asides from wikipedia.

For example, the voice actor of the Medic, Rober A. Downes, can be found on twitter as many of you probably know. I think it would be a good idea to add his twitter account in his wiki article.

What do you guys think? Yossef | Talk | Contributions 22:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

OOH, I think there was some opoposition to this, but OTOH, I think at least one or two NPs have Twitters given on their page. Go, look and count. See what other's feel. At least only add the social contact if they use it to communicate with the TF2 Community.
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I would include contractors under Valve employees if they otherwise meet NPP criteria.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 16:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I think they should be listed under a separate "Contractors" section, maybe add something like Bad Robot (worked on PASS Time) as well since they're not Valve but have created stuff for TF2.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
They could, if someone built a little consensus and a list of who would go into the list of contractors. I wouldn't know off the top of my head whether BR are contractors, community developers, or both, or neither. Maybe, it could be a category for just one really notable contractor we just have to mention.
I guess for me it is a question of whether the list of contractors is notable enough to base its own subcategory.
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Artist-provided content

Original post moved to Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#Artist-provided content.

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