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Re: Festivizer images

Hi, you mentioned my uploads being lower quality, but you linked to the old image that I am replacing.

My images have not been succesfully cached yet. I have included an example of the image you are referring to that I uploaded a new version of.

https://imgur.com/a/XhGgnmi

My HLMV settings are set according to the guides in the help section, and I do have 8x antialiasing on via nvidia settings. I did, however, downscale some of these a little, and may need to try and retake some if this is still not considered an improvement over the inaccurate, low-quality prior images.

EmilyEmbers (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I compared the older upload, your newer upload, and the other Rocket Launcher upload. They may not have been cached on your end yet, but I had the right images on mine. Try CTRL + F5 on the image if it doesn't show up properly.
The downscaling likely ruined the image, so I advise to not do that for any image.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Downscaling manually via an image manipulation program will cause either bluriness or choppy-looking edges. If you would like to downscale, it's ideal to do that on HLMV itself, by zooming out a little. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I see it now, you're right, I needed to refresh the cache. I'll see about potentially fixing it later.
EmilyEmbers (talk) 21:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Restored redirects

Why restore them? A few years ago, pretty much all names of items were changed, so all words are no longer capitalized like in the English language. I already created redirects with the correct names. Why leave the old ones? Now if someone would want to search them, there will be two identical results, with one using the old incorrect version. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 15:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Redirects are to redirect people to the correct article even if they had the wrong name, see: Solider, Mann in Slacks, or Axetinguisher. Old names are also kept, including capitalisation changes, see: Claidheamohmor, Train Of Thought, Creature From The Heap, Mister Sentry. A redirect having the old name is exactly what they're for, to help users that may not know or remember the exact name. Redirects, in general, are also not harmful enough to be deleted.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Even if literally nothing links to them? They are used only in the search window. It's not a completely new name, like "Mister Sentry" to "Aim Assistant." And most of the examples you linked are misspellings or grammar mistakes that make more sense in English only. Polish translations are still the same; only now there are two results with the same name and directing to the same article. If there will be any major changes to translated items (which are very rare), then having both old and new names makes sense. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 18:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Yeah looks fine. If you type "Kucyk B" then the other one doesn't show up. Not everyone uses the search bar either (I navigate by changing the URL or using the shorthand wiki.tf). Similarly to all other capitalisation-related, these are just fine and there's generally no reason to have them deleted.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Is it possible to implement a search bar used on Wikipedia so when a user switches to the Polish interface and types "Kucyk bohatera", "Kucyk Bohatera", "KUCYK BOHATERA" etc., it will always show the correct article without creating every possible redirect combination? Or was it already suggested? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 07:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's possible to do that with our version of Mediawiki, but maybe in the future if we ever upgrade versions. But for now, it makes the most sense having the old name still as a redirect (even if we had that search bar system in place).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

New account

Hey there. This is JupiterSphere. I've created a new Wiki account due to being locked out of my main one. Password managers look real good in hindsight.

Is there a policy against using your own user page on a new account if you can't access (or abandon) the other one? Reverentpsycho (talk) 04:17, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

As long as we can't verify you as the owner of the original account you can't touch any of the other account's stuff. Why not use the forgot password option?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 10:53, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't have access to the email used for it (I reset my computer without having a password manager/backup elsewhere), but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. When requesting a password reset for the email I thought it used, it gave me an unrelated account (User:Pennyeatsbricks or something) instead, which I apparently made at some point. Reverentpsycho (talk) 22:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
I can also edit my Steam profile (linked on JupiterSphere) to prove it's me if you want. Reverentpsycho (talk) 22:53, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

A message from Pootis1512

Can you add Featured article tag to my MeeM like Demopan?--Pootis1512 (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Featured article tags are only for articles on the main space, user space articles cannot have the feature article tag.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Redirects from multiple languages using the same translation

There are issues with redirects where the same item has the same translation in multiple languages. Maybe instead of deleting them, for example, "Pistol" translates to "Pistolet" in French and Polish, so to create a redirect for French "Pistolet," the redirect could look like this. Can this method be used? Asking first so there's no problem later. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 09:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

They're fine if you make them like that (albeit rather useless in my opinion), but the issue is that usually the lang redirect's purpose is for people looking up "Pistolet" to be redirected. A preferred alternative is some kind of multi-language disambiguation, but there needs to be some kind of format agreed on before we start making these.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
I have had an idea to add a small explanation that multiple languages use the same translation of the item, and to find the correct language, the user would need to click the correct flag below; this text would use translation switching. Should this be moved to the discussion page to discuss it with more users? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 08:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
If you can make an article on your user space to show it off that would help. I personally thought of simply including a header with the language's name.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Something like this, but I have no idea how to create it. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 21:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
The issue is that for those who don't speak English, this isn't very useful.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 01:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, I said I don't know how to make it work. I can only visualize it; someone clicks on the redirect, and the page has flags of countries that use the same translation, and clicking each flag shows different translations of the same text because I forgot lang switch won't work here. Can you show your idea? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 11:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'll see if I can put my idea together later today.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Probably a mistake in template:Bot skill levels

In the Rocket launcher aim row, 1 cell says bots which have enemies closer than 150 HU would "aim at target's feet" and "aim at head", which is weird. I thought one of the situations was actually for "longer than 150HU". Is it a mistake?
Spacefield (talk) 09:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, they aim at the feet if more than 150 Hu away. I've fixed it now.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Account return

Just for the sake of a hypothetical, how would one prove that they are the owner of an account if they happen to get locked out of it (such as by being hacked)? Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21.

We can e-mail the user's e-mail address or confirm they're the owner of the e-mail. But you can just hit forgot password.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:09, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Undo on Template:User Autism

The edit on User Autistic does not "bloat" the documentation. It was simply to add more types to the userbox, and it's removes my edit which simply was suppsoed to add more types of ASD. I've undone your edit.

Signed by Plutonium. (talk) (contributions) (thank)

It does bloat the documentation as it's unnecessarily adding many more examples that do not need to be shown off. The first parameter ({{{1}}}) takes any kind of input, adding more examples for the types that can be included could end up with hundreds of examples. Just a few are necessary to show off what the template looks like, it does not need to show off every single possible variant. As for "it supports these parameters", this is blatantly false. As I said, it supports any type of input and not just the ones that you think should be used there. They are also not parameters, but inputs, a parameter is something like {{{1}}} or {{{type}}}.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
The documentation simply lists which parameters can be used. Nowhere on the help page does it mention that you cannot show all available parameters. And yes, these are parameters. In the |info section of the undefined userbox, it uses a parameter for {{{1}}}, which can be modified. Also the page lock was admin abuse, and there was no reason for it to be locked.
Signed by Plutonium. (talk) (contributions) (thank)
a {{{1}}} can be literally anything. I could put "bringobrongo" and it would say that bringobrongo is a form of autism spectrum disorder which is obviously not accurate. Your documentation makes it seem like it requires specific inputs to recieve an output when currently you can input anything. The lock seems justified to me given that you would repeatedly undo the correction. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 17:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
It would not accept that.
Signed by Plutonium. (talk) (contributions) (thank)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── {{user Autistic|bringobrongo}} results in

Autism Awareness Ribbon.png This user is on the autistic spectrum, and has bringobrongo.


Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 17:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Documentation is indeed meant to list all the parameters, which is under the "parameters" section. When you put "accepts these values:" for the unnamed parameter, that isn't listing all the parameters. For the {{{1}}} parameter, it accepts any and everything put into it. I could put "I love TF2" in there, and that's what would show up. Besides that, it's also not really productive to try and limit the input here considering that autism isn't limited to "types" (anymore). I never said there weren't parameters, but you're confusing parameter with an input/value. For example, on {{No Paint Diff}}, there are several named parameters. {{No Paint Diff|nodiff=Radigan Conagher Brown}} would have nodiff as the parameter and "Radigan Conagher Brown" as the input. Listing all the inputs was one of the issues of your edit, having 5 examples in the "Examples" section does not have any more benefit than 2 examples. As for admin abuse, Wiki policy dictates that in the event of an edit war, a page should be locked (as was the case). This is not admin abuse, but policy.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I will stop talking here as this is a large waste of time trying to constantly prove I am right.
Signed by Plutonium. (talk) (contributions) (thank)
But you are not right.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:43, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
I am.
Signed by Plutonium. (talk) (contributions) (thank)
But you are not. You are incorrectly calling inputs "parameters", you're incorrectly saying that it won't take any input (as Mediarch showed, it quite clearly does), and you're accusing me of abusing my powers when doing something explicitly outlined in policy.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Race to be the fastest kill taunt

Hi, what do you mean by how the Showdown taunt "kills faster"? How can the kill happen later if the Arrow Stab is shorter? Xarbon62 (talk) 17:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Arrow Stab kills at the end of the taunt, while High Noon kills before the taunt finishes. Heavy blows the "barrel" of his finger guns before finishing the taunt.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

For the Honorary translator

Dear GrampaSwood,

Sometimes, I reminisce about 2019 when I literally lived on IRC...

Back then, IRC was full of cringe energy by the ppl that I remembered, and I had a lot of time to spend there.

After many years of my inactivity, while many editors have come and gone, you still here; this wiki and IRC!

I apologize, as I came too late and left too soon. Please forgive me.


Anyway,
I know that you've continuously made tons of contributions of Korean documents
and gave millions of advices for korean editors for the past few years.
It was surely not just for Korean, but many other languages as well.

Nevertheless,
you satisfied all the factors for this title already long ago. (I've checked your contributions!)
And this is my small token of gratitude for your hard work :D

Will you accept the title?

123rse (talk) 16:19, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

I will accept it with gratitude. I'm glad I could be helpful to the Korean side of the Wiki.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:21, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Finally I award you to have this, Congrats! 🥳🎉🎉

Certificate of Honorary translator




123rse (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Some advice

I tried adding lang support to some of my templates, but for some reason doing this caused them to stop being displayed on my page. The offenders are User:Lolimsogreat21/Template:Zombie Escape Infect ratio and the User:Lolimsogreat21/Template:Zombie Escape human changes. I have flagged them as being editable by anyone. Could you please take a look at this for me? Many thanks in advance. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 21:22, 3 March 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Should work now. You need to close tags, like <noinclude>{{Translation switching}}</noinclude>, instead of <noinclude>{{Translation switching}}</noinclude>. Do note that the {{AllowedEditors}} template is now visible on the main page because it's outside of these brackets.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance help. Can I put both the translation switching and the {{AllowedEditors}} inside the same noinclude bracked? Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 21:33, 3 March 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
Yes, you can put as much as you want between them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:38, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Good day Grampa, I am afraid that I will need to contact you for help once again. Namely, adding lang support to User:Lolimsogreat21/Template:Zombie Escape zombie changes caused some very ugly breaks to happen in the text in the table, namely between the first and second lines. Is this something normal or is it just caused by my implementation of the lang template?Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
I can't see something obviously wrong with the implementation. It happens on some other tables too and I'm not sure why.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Can You give Me some advice?

Recently i came back to the wiki with the sole purpose of doing something helpful for ru translators, but i cant decide what to do. Sure i can just press the Random page button then select Russian and look for some mistakes and so, but that is not exactly what i want to do, this is not that interesting and/or helpful since most of the pages i already redacted are not popular at all. So, is there some instrument that will allow me to see pages that need corrections, or can you give me some advice for creating my own to-do list maybe with not only ru corrections/translations?

TSTH 10:26, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

There are a bunch of stuff you can still create/update:
There is also the tasks for editors article that may help with non-translation stuff, though I suspect the translation stuff will keep you busy for a while.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:41, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, i will try these
TSTH 08:29, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

User Talk Pages question

Hey, I hope this find you well. Would it be unorthodox to clear out sections of my personal talk page? If not do I need to archive the discussions, and how? Thanks! :) --Finnodile (talk) 02:47, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Generally it's frowned upon, but not banned. If you want to remove things from your user talk page I would suggest archiving it, yeah.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 07:06, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

My new project idea, wanted to ask for Your opinion.

Hello. I recently was thinking of expanding the Wiki-guides, mainly translator's guides. My first idea was to create a guide in Steam but... Nobody would probably notice/pay much attention to it, neither a lot of people will get encouraged to start contributing to the Wiki, so i decided to create my own guide, the Russian translators guide (Russian - because this is my 2nd native language and i believe i can help with article translations to it with some advice), which will give more easy-to-understand tips for newcomers that are translating pages to Russian (such as proper grammar, proper trivia, etc.). Also, if the newbies will have questions even after reading it, They can always ask Me and not bother other Russian editors/translators with questions (because Im always ready to talk and help with anything). But before doing this I decided to ask Your opinion on this idea, as You probably know more than I do. I will also leave the link to the future page here if thats needed.

Tosta'(h) | (contribs) | (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

This just seems like what Team Fortress Wiki:Translation progress/ru is supposed to be. The Simplified Chinese editors have a starter guide of their own under that domain, so it should be fine to do something similar. Do note that users are expected to understand English well enough to understand the style guides and help articles and those should not be translated.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:50, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
Team Fortress Wiki:Translation progress/ru has its own guide, but it is very small and describes base things only, thats why i want to make a guide with advanced tips and commands.
Tosta'(h) | (contribs) | (talk) 09:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
You can change or expand the guide as you see fit.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 10:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
As i can see, Radist (the guy who created old guide) is inactive on the Wiki right now, and since He wrote on the guide template "Please do not redact this", I won't be able to redact it. I think I will just create a stub-version of my own guide (probably in Sandbox) and then ask somebody from /ru if its a good idea to replace his guide with mine.
Tosta'(h) Leaderboard class pyro.png | (contribs) | (talk) 11:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
It probably means to not remove the guide, but if the guide is outdated or missing information there is no reason why it shouldn't be updated.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Its me again, for the last time

I just wanted to ask if it is possible to delete my TF2 wiki account. I have no motivation to continue doing anything TF2-related (i wont go into detail, i just want to leave).
Tosta'(h) Flag Serbia.png | (contribs) | (talk) 17:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I saw your user page edit, sad to see you go. See this article. Do know that this is permanent and unreversible
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:41, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting me all this time, and thanks for the help with deleting.
Tosta'(h) Flag Serbia.png | (contribs) | (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Main menu page

Sorry about that latest edit to the main menu article, apparently I pasted whatever was on my clipboard while going through it and never noticed it. I did use the "show changes" button, but apparently I just skimmed over it. Reverentpsycho (talk) 15:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

About helpful overviews

So I noticed that a plethora of maps have a "Helpful overview" section with the key map locations highlighted on the map overview, however on the style guide for maps this section is not mentioned. So I'm wondering if it just hasn't been added to the Style guide yet and if it's worth adding helpful overviews to the maps that lack one? Tango935 (talk) 23:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

It's a relatively new addition. They've, in the past, been made with adding the lines onto the overviews but a better template was in the works. The whole thing is being held off until it can be properly made.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
There isn't really a point in adding helpful overviews to any new maps, as they would just end up getting replaced, alongside the existing helpful overviews, by the new and upcoming template that does the whole " highlighting locations" thing much better. Although as Grampaswood said, we don't know when the new template will be main space ready (or when someone will finally finish actually applying it to the maps themselves). Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Override projectile type

Hello, why is there NO information on what values override projectile type attribute gives? It just explains what it does. That's it. NO INFORMATION. I tried editing it to say the values, but I have to provide proof, and HOW AM I GONNA PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS?????Xarbon62 (talk) 15:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

It's not there because no one has added it. Where did you find out the information about the projectiles override?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Oh my, I'm supposed to make a video demotrating it like a year ago and I COMPLETELY FORGOT about it. Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 02:49, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

RE: Pyroland General Achievements

Heres a small test showcasing the achievement gaining progress while in pyroland and not gaining progress while outside of pyroland. I have clocked around 2000 hours in game over the last 13 years but hadn't made any progress towards this achievement until very recently because I've never worn pyrovision cosmetics.

Also, while I do not necessarily agree that the spy disguise thing is a bug/exploit, I understand the logic and will respect your decision.

Plonkd (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Feel free to re-add but with that video linked in the edit summary (not on the article itself). The Spy disguise thing is most definitely a bug. They are not wearing the cosmetic item.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Alrighty. Thanks! Plonkd (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

im still mad about the dustbowl thing

why'd you reverted it bro why!!!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭 The guy with a tie (talk) 23:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

I've left the reason on your talk page. The easiest map is a purely subjective statement that differs from player to player. What one player might find easy might be something very difficult for another, especially new players who can struggle with basic FPS mechanics if it's their first FPS game or very easily get into the game and do decently well. The Team Fortress Wiki is here to document objective information, not give opinions on maps, weapons, classes, or cosmetic items.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:00, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
i guess you're right that edit was kinda of like a test since i made it like just a few moments after making my account and kinda did it mindlessly... anyways thanks for responding! The guy with a tie (talk) 01:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

pocket buddy discussion page error

My good fellow, while I appreciate your dutiful adherence to the guidelines of discourse within this digital compendium, I must confess that the manner in which you’ve chosen to interject borders on the officious. One might gently suggest that tone and approach matter just as much as procedural correctness. Perhaps next time, a touch less pedantry and a touch more collegiality would better serve both the conversation and the spirit of collaboration.

I say this not out of defiance, but from a place of earnest enthusiasm. I take great pleasure in engaging with others about subjects I hold dear, and the discussion page — in all its quaint charm — affords a rare opportunity to share that fondness in a public and thoughtful manner. To be met not with curiosity, but with chastisement, rather dulls the joy of such exchange. Surely, a shared love for the topic at hand should unite us in spirited dialogue, not divide us through needlessly stern reminders. (i just like pocket buddies soooooo much!!!) with all do respect -the guy with a tie The guy with a tie (talk) 01:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

The talk pages are only meant for meta discussions i.e. article quality and the information contained on the article, not for discussions about the article's subject (e.g., "I like the Scattergun" on Talk:Scattergun). I'm not sure what you're exactly trying to say with this message due to its overly verbose nature, but removing a topic (or in this case, deleting the talk page because it was the only topic) is standard procedure for this.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 10:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
(response)
dear GrampaSwood,
Permit me to express, with all due civility, my profound astonishment at the rather austere interpretation of the talk page's intended purpose. While I am not unacquainted with the notion that such pages are, in theory, to be reserved for discussions pertaining to the quality and accuracy of the article’s content, I must humbly submit that a modest expression of personal sentiment—such as indicating one's appreciation for a subject—does not, in my estimation, constitute a grievous misuse of the forum.
Indeed, to proscribe entirely such remarks, particularly when they may serve to inform fellow readers or contributors of a prevailing opinion or general reception, strikes me as an exercise in needless rigidity. That the page should be summarily expunged on account of a solitary, arguably innocuous remark borders on bureaucratic zealotry of the most discouraging kind.
One might do well to remember that the spirit of communal knowledge-building is not served by so severe an application of policy that it stifles genuine, if imperfectly framed, engagement. While your enforcement of convention is, no doubt, well-intentioned, I beseech you to temper such actions with a measure of forbearance and discernment.
I remain, in earnest hope for a more charitable discourse (TL;DR just let me comment on a page it wont do much harm and i don't see anything wrong with it so just shut up)
-The guy with a tie (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Rules are for everyone, including you. If you wanna talk about the game, use something other than the Wiki, and don't tell people to shut up because they tell you to follow the rules like everyone else.
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ugh ok ill get over it just stop annoying me The guy with a tie (talk) 23:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
I will not stop moderating, no. I'd also recommend you start being nicer to people instead of saying they're annoying or to shut up because you don't like what they're doing.
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TF2 Set youtube demonstration mistake

There is a mistake in a description for saharah spy set demonstration. it says "leaves a calling card on victims", while the actual effect is "extra effects while taunting" The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yellow ship (talk) • (contribs) 18:25 CEST 13 June 2025

Remember to sign your comments using ~~~~.
I don't control have access to the YouTube channel, but I'll pass it on to Ashe.
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Kazotsky Kick trivia reversion

I see no reason for you to have reverted the edit I made to the Kazotsky Kick's trivia section. I have scoured the trivia guidelines and nowhere was a mention that it had to be directly confirmed by Valve. Additionally, it specifically states that trivia must not be an assumption, and though there is no indication of either possibility being correct - thus necessitating some degree of guesswork - a simple misspelling would be more likely.

~~ ~~ (talk) 23:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

In the case of your edit, it changes the Trivia from an intentional play on words to a misspelling, as such it is treated as a new trivia entry entirely. In the speculation section, it mentions that this kind of trivia would require a source or a simple discussion. In this case a simple discussion where other users join in to give their opinion as to which is more likely is sufficient. I, personally, think whether it's a play on words or a misspelling is not relevant to the trivia at all and can just be omitted from the trivia, becoming:
  • "Kazatsky" is a name for a Slavic dance known as the "Kazachok". Another name for this dance is the "Cossack Dance", a term commonly misused to describe the type of Slavic folk dance this taunt is parodying.
Some other Trivia points do this as well, simply noting what the name's reference is supposed to be. Whether it's a misspelling or a play on words is not relevant to the trivia in my opinion (neither is the second sentence of the trivia).
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User:Eniere/Improved Default HUD edit revert

Hi there,

I got permission from Eniere via private messaging. If you see the GitHub link I included in my edit, you will see that I am committing to the idhud repository. This is because Eniere gave me access to mantain idhud, since he no longer has time to develop it.

You can also see the following in the default branch README file: "Many thanks to all the contributors: @Tiagoquix, @FlaminSarge, @Wormsweat. Special thanks to @Tiagoquix. Since I can no longer actively develop and update IDHUD, his productive help is extremely important."

That was added by Eniere himself.

You can also see this link, which is an issue I made (that includes Hello! I am the new mantainer of idhud [...] right at the top)that was acknowleged by Eniere himself via a "thumbs up" reaction.

Thanks for your attention.
Tiagoquix (talk) 16:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

This is not enough to be allowed to edit the article. As the guidelines state, explicit permission must be given either on the article or somewhere else on the Wiki.
More importantly, this user article seems to be made purely for external hosting. This is not allowed. I suggest hosting it somewhere else, as I will take down the user article week. There is no need to remove anything from the article or change it in any way.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I will make a copy of the page before the takedown. I think it is strange to remove it now, since it has been on the wiki for ~11 years at this point, but sure.
Tiagoquix (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
The user guidelines have not been here for 11 years and Wiki staff are not omniscient beings that know every article that exists at all times.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Question: is it OK to edit that page and link to an archived version or to an up-to-date documentation hosted elsewhere else? Because I think many old posts in the internet will have the wiki link, so to avoid link rot I think it would be good to make this compromise.
Tiagoquix (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
It would be fine to have "moved to X" instead, but it may have to be deleted and re-created to avoid an old version of the article being used for external hosting instead.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
I want to clarify a few points. First, I gave Tiagoquix permission to edit my personal page, so you should make sure of that before undoing the edit. However, I will add the appropriate attribute to the page code. Secondly, the content on my personal page corresponds to the subject of the resource and does not contradict the guidelines. The link to a third-party resource (GitHub) is also used correctly. If I'm wrong, please provide a specific rule clause prohibiting this. Sincerely, Login Soldier.png Eniere 18:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I cannot verify if someone gives permission to edit an article through private messaging. As Tiagoquix stated in their first message: "I got permission from Eniere via private messaging". I'm not sure how you want me to verify that without attempting to hack into either of your accounts. The guidelines state that it must be present on the article in some way, a private message is not enough, nor is "I got permission" in the edit summary.

Second, articles cannot be used only for external use. It is the 4th guideline on the user page guidelines: "User pages should not host content intended for external use or content that violates Wiki policies. If you believe that your page has value, consider asking if it belongs in the main namespace instead.". It is fine to link third-party websites, but the guideline is about using the Wiki has a host for third-party purposes. In this case, the article is being used as such and does violate the guidelines.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't believe the idhud wiki is considered "external hosting" since we don't provide HUD files to download via the wiki itself. We only provide instructions on how to customize the HUD and since it is improvements upon the default HUD instead of being a completely different HUD it could be argued that it is a useful resource too.
I would understand your frustration if we were like using 50 megabytes of space to keep the hud, but that's not what we are doing.
I created idhud wiki page long before there were "guidelines" and AllowedEditors template, as well as other unnecessary things, such as a bars of "sexual orientation", "self-identification" and "support for Palestine" (I believe you're hosting all this unrelevant to the Team Fortress Wiki content on the wiki, which — I also believe — violates clause 1 of the "guidelines"). I couldn't have known what would happen in 2023, you know? So yes, it would be possible for you to find a way to contact me — there is a list of links right on my page — before deleting anything from my page. I found it rude to revert the Tiagoquix edit since you could assume good-faith first. Sincerely, Login Soldier.png Eniere 22:19, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Creating the article before guidelines doesn't make them exempt from it. Userboxes are absolutely related to the Wiki, they're user page decoration and some more personal ones can be hosted on user apace instead of on the main space.
As for "good faith", this happens to anyone editing another user's user space page. If we were to assume good faith with everyone we may as well not have the rule. I'm not going to contact everyone to confirm first: if you have the permission you can show the permission.
As I said before, the user article will be taken down in a week as it's external hosting. Your primary link for how to install is the user article. There is no arguing around this, especially not with whataboutisms.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
I agree with Eniere here. A wiki page on user-space for HUD customization, which is relevant to the game as that can also spread knowledge of custom files, is way less "problematic" than political userboxes. I don't think that publicly showing political support for X or Y is related to the wiki guidelines for what constitutes good use of the wiki space, but whatever. I am fine with the page being removed and I just want this discussion to end now. Thanks. I am not the author of the page, and I can't speak for Eniere, but I think he also does not want to invest more time into this discussion. Thanks once again.
Tiagoquix (talk) 00:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
It's relevant to the game, but it's also used for an external project and uses the Wiki as a webhost which is the main issue. This is not allowed, no matter how you try to twist and turn it. It's not about being problematic, this is something you have made up yourself. Userboxes are part of user space decoration, they exclusively serve a purpose on this Wiki and do not serve as a webhost for other projects. There are several categories dedicated to userspace content: Category:Userbox user templates, Category:Users, Category:Userpage decoration, and Category:User images. It is okay to host user space pages, it is not okay to host user space pages purely intended for linking to on an external website. A single link on a user page does not change that this is the primary and only method linked on the GitHub.
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RE: Quotations

Hello, thank you for your message clarifying policies on the wiki. I appreciate you proofreading my changes to the articles, and I will admit I got a bit carried away because I love the little quotations widget, lol. Cheers!

LunaireKitty (talk) 13:03, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

ADDITION: Would it be okay to update pages with a 'better' voiceline? i.e the https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tuxedo_Royale might make more sense using Spy's "Dr. No" quote as it's a Bond refrence, rather than the generic "I have an expensive suit"

If you think a different quote fits better, feel free to replace it. Of course, it may still be reverted if it does not fit well for one reason or another.
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Report log - User:SteamyNewLilies

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Demoman Uncensored

If you get the chance would you please give User:Mediarch/Demman Uncensored a look before I move it to main space? Feel free to tweak and modify as you see fit. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 04:50, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Pictogram tick.png Done.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Question regarding translation of Styles

Hello, so i spotted a mistake when i clicked on "Random Page" button i got the Doe-Boy/it , and even though i don't know italian i can definetly say that there is a mistake in the styles table, which misses "!" at the end - "Bù", because i launched the game in italian of curiousity and yes, the correct name for this style is "Bù!" (as it is stated in the infobox on this page, but not in the "Stili" table). I wanted to fix this minor mistake by myself, but didn't understand how exactly do i do this; there weren't any translation lines in styles' names in the table for accessories' styles. So if you can, please, contact some italian translator so they can fix this. (I don't know if this mistake even matter but still)
Login Heavy.pngTosta'(h) · contributions · talk page 11:13, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

These are stored in the styles section of the items Dictionary. Seems like it's a bit more complicated, I'll see what's up.
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Lol that's a great reason, thank you.
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Half-Zatoichi clarification inquiry

How can I specify that the kill for HZ's heal and Honorbound removal needs to be from Half-Zatoichi? Like, shield bash kill with the HZ active won't do either. I tested this in tr_walkway. Specifically, "after the Half-Zatoichi is fully deployed, switching away from it without killing someone deals 50 damage to the wielder." I'd like to add it to "without killing someone with it". — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't really think that's necessary to specifically say, the whole article is about what the weapon does. Killing with a shield bash, a rolling pipe, or a stickybomb while the Half-Zatoichi is out would not trigger the weapon's overheal either. Feel free to add it if you really think it's necessary, but I think every reader will understand it as it is right now.
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ok, thx — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 11:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Proof of the Gaben Bullseye in TF2Ware Ultimate.

I now have the proof. Lorinspaze (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, this is also a great ominous message. Remember to add a license and category to each file you upload (in this case, {{ScreenshotTF2}} and Category:Mod images).
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"Itemlist" template

Do you still have plans to expand Template:Itemlist to display all classes using multiclass items instead of a generic "Multiclass"? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 14:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I could look into it later.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
See this edit.
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Yeah it works. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 07:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

There's one more thing. Some items have notes attached to them, like an all-class item that is not available for only one class. Can you add an option to add next to an item and an additional row for notes? User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 16:55, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

You can probably just add all 8 classes that can use it, since it supports up to 8 classes.
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I guess. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 18:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

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Liverfull User Liverfull sig.pngTalk | Contributions 18:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much!
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Is there a guide how to edit User Page?

Hello, GrampaSwood! While I was looking at other's pages on TF2 wiki I have decided to ipmrove my own page. Is there a guide how to do it normally? --The overdrunken one (talk) 06:18, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

There's no guide for it, but there is Category:Userpage decoration with some pre-made templates for it.
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I didn't even notice that was my name, that's incredibly funny.
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Language-specific Bugs/Trivia

Hello there!
I want to ask if I should add language-specific Bugs/Trivia. For example, to the Bear Hug/ru page. The official translators misspelled the word "объятья" (correct: "объятия"), so is it worth adding this info to the Russian page?
fjødwr ( talk | contrib ) 09:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Spelling mistakes are worth nothing, yeah, but it may be worth correcting this on Crowdin first and then seeing if it gets accepted quickly.
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Got it, thanks!
fjødwr ( talk | contrib ) 09:58, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I want a wiki cap

hey grampa swood can i get a wiki cap? (if not why not and could you also tell me how i can get one?) -The guy with a tie (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am not Swood, but I saw this in the recent changes and felt it worth giving a response. Generally, the Wiki Cap is awarded to contributors that other Wiki members feel met the criteria to warrant a nomination for one. When nominated, the TF Wiki staff will look at the contributions of the candidate, discuss how they feel about said candidate, and offer a yes/no vote, with at least five 'Yes' votes needed to warrant a cap.
As implied, the Wiki Cap is a privilage that you earn through meaningfully contributing to the Wiki, so you won't get one just by asking for it. I hope this is helpful to you!
Kibblekip T | C 01:49, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
sad to know but thanks 😢 -The guy with a tie (talk) 01:56, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
As Kibblekip said, they're not just given out after a few contributions. A true desire to improve the Wiki has to be shown, as well as being noticed by community members. Anyone can nominate you if they think you deserve it, but asking for one isn't how it's done.
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Tobor render

Hi, saw the message! Thanks for the heads up, trying to be useful for the wiki but probably should've done more reading on that. I've read up and I'll try to prevent any further issues like that! --SgtHeadcrab (talk) 11:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Make sure to also include a reference for everything you add, I saw you did it with the Tobor model which was good but just saying it to be sure. You don't need to include the folder called sfmbeta, but some kind of mention from where the info is from (either in the reference or in the sentence the reference is on like I did on Tobor).
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Liverfull User Liverfull sig.pngTalk | Contributions 15:57, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Always happy to help :)
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Re: PASS Time Competitive

I've decided to use your questions to make the tips slightly more elaborate, as new players may have the exact same questions. I also made slight changes / fixes.

SolarLight (talk) 17:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

I can look over it again once the full changes are made, if you need. I'll have a look over the final article once it's moved as well just to make sure.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:26, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
Oops, I'm getting an error. Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: New user editing other users' pages
SolarLight (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah, it's a new filter to prevent spam. Feel free to copy paste the article I made into your own version of it and then editing that.
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Done.
SolarLight (talk) 18:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

hello mr swood

i have returned Scorchshotgaming (talk) 15:50, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Welcome back.
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Thank you very much, and thank you for updating them.
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Denied's Weapon Stat History Page

My friend I did get permission: (https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User_talk:Fisherboy800#Weapon_stats_history). Sorry for not including this fact in the summary notes I will in the future to avoid this mix-up. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 00:15, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

In that case he should put {{AllowedEditors}} on the article. As the user pages guidelines state, it must be on the article itself. Not only for now, but also for future edits.
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I see, I will ask him to do that. Thank you for letting me know. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 00:19, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Cataclysm wave 7 Giant Heavies

Hi Grampa, it's Sigma. I noticed you removed a section from the 'Basic Strategies' section of Cataclysm explaining the pathing of the giant Heavies at the end as you had stated that there wasn't evidence they took this pathing. This confuses me as the table of waves shows that these giant Heavies all take the various flanking routes stated, and thus would have to be coded in. I have also gone looking for evidence to show that the giant Heavies split up to take these flanking routes and found it in the following Youtube video by WeezyTF2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsTYx9GCA8E

At 40:24, a giant Heavy is seen heading down the 'main right' path.

At 40:27, a giant Heavy is seen heading towards the top right path.

At 40:29, two giant Heavies are seen heading down the left pathway accompanying the tank.

At 40:37, a giant Heavy is seen taking the top right path.

At 40:47, the two giant Heavies on the left have split up, one taking the top left path and the other staying with the tank.

There's the evidence for the giant Heavies' flanking routes. Please take this into consideration if you have the time! (You can also thank the low tours of that mission for being unable to handle four giant Heavies and a 45k HP tank along with a toxic griefer who locked the game)

Sigma chi sum (talk) 03:33, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Feel free to undo my edit linking to this talk page post.
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Idk how you didnt have this one yet, but now you do!

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I got one before but I appreciate it very much :)
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Sydney Sleeper Jarate duration chart translation

PT-BR:

  • Sydney Sleeper Jarate duration: Duração do Jarratê do Anestesiador de Sydney
  • Duration (in seconds): Duração (em segundos)
  • Damage dealt: Dano causado
  • Jarate duration: Duração do Jarratê

Note: please replace the periods for the numbers with commas.
- BrazilianNut (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Done, see here.
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RU:

  • Sydney Sleeper Jarate duration: Длительность эффекта Банкате Сиднейской сони
  • Duration (in seconds): Длительность (в секундах)
  • Damage dealt: Урона нанесено
  • Jarate duration: Длительность эффекта Банкате
    Liverfull User Liverfull sig.pngTalk | Contributions 21:47, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
Done, see here.
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Proof of the boxes being fixed in TF2Ware Ultimate

Just before I edit the page again, here's proof of the boxes being fixed:

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Lorinspaze (talk) 10:48, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!
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Thank you! It's one of the less common Wikichievements and they're forgot about in general.
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Custom MvM mission

I do not agree with the rule that custom MvM mission should all be added at the same time. For one, I do not know of any other place in the wiki where this rule is implemented. A person is not required to add all the community map strategies at once if he wants to contribute to that project; so why require that here. Secondly, this rule just stifles productivity. Collaborative projects, such as wikis, are supposed to be maintained and updated as a result of a cumulative effort from multiple people. The point shouldn't be for a single person to need to do everything by themselves. Why should someone, who only plans to add a couple of missions, be prevented from doing that? Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:16, 26 September 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

This is a non-negotiable rule. The reason this isn't implemented in other places is because they do not have the same history as the MvM operations do. It is not necessary for a single user to create these, but it is necessary for all of them to be created at once. See the following navs showing the issue: {{Canteen Crasher nav}}, {{Digital Directive nav}}, {{Madness vs Machines nav}}, {{Mashed Mediocrity nav}}, {{Memes vs Machines nav}}, {{Starched Silliness nav}}, and {{Titanium Tank nav}}. All of these operations, despite the oldest being 2018 and the newest being 2021 (which means these are all between 4 and 7 years old), are incomplete. These maps and mission articles can all still be made just fine, but they show the issue that no one is interested in working on them. There are currently 20 (count taken from Operation (disambiguation)) community MvM operations. If all of them had navs with no created map or mission articles, there would be an absolutely gigantic amount of red links that likely never ever get created and each operation just adds onto them. Having the navs present, but having unmade articles not present on the nav, simply results in having a nav with maybe 2 or 3 links at times. Freely allowing these projects is unsustainable, and this was a deal made with the MvM community people that made these old articles to ensure the quality of the Wiki can be sustained rather than becoming a collection of red links.
That being said, I am not opposed to creating some kind of workspace where editors can coordinate. This would be something I'd have to discuss with others first, however. This should make it easier for people to know what needs creating and what is already created. This way it also doesn't need to be moved to user space.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:27, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
Whatever the reason for this rule, it effectively spells doom for any attempt at updating community mvm missions. I know that it is not a single person that needs to do all, but it effectively is a single person who needs to do all the work. Besides the weapon demonstration project, people rarely collaborate on the wiki. Everyone mostly does their own thing, which would be fine since that is what wikis are about. A bunch of people working semi-independently that through gradual accumulation of edits achieve a coherent result. This rule pretty much forgoes that aspect entirely, demanding either unrealistic and already rare cooperation or a humongous amount of effort from a single individual. And even if someone is willing to take on the hurdle of doing everything by themselves, they would lack any knowledge of whether the mission they want to do is already sitting complete in some sandbox that hasn't been touched for 5 years or if it needs to be build up from scratch.
I also think that you greatly exaggerate the problem of uncomplete mission navs. Literally every single one of the operation navs you just listed, with the exception of Starched Silliness and Canteen Crasher, has all of their mission articles complete and blue-linked. And out of those two, starched silliness is only missing two missions, with only Canteen Crasher being an eye-sore with its sea of red links. I suppose you counted navs with otherwise complete missions as uncomplete because of the missing map articles, but that just feels wrong and unfair. Most maps aren't unique to these community operations, in fact they are wholly separate from them. They are just regular community, and sometimes even valve, maps that may or may not be featured in any community mvm tour. If you were to treat maps with the same rule you treat community mission, it would present a paradox. Namely, what would happen if a map is featured in two or more separate community tours (and many maps are). That would mean that if someone wanted to create an article for that map, they would first need to create all the content for the two tours the map is featured in; tours which have other maps, some of which are also featured in other tours thus further propagating the problem. I assume that this isn't the case, which only further reinforces the fact that maps are special cases and as such shouldn't be used to judge the level of completeness of these community operations.
Overall, I feel like there could have been a better way of solving the problem with red-links. Because while before at least some content was being created for them, now it is almost certainly going to be zero. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 10:46, 27 September 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat2
It is ridiculous to demand we allow a ton of red links that build up forever just so a few of the mission and map articles can be made. Map articles also fall under this rule, all content (except for the main article) fall under this because the only reason they reached notability is because they were featured in this operation. There is not some huge demand to create these articles, because if there was, all the maps/missions I showed in those navs would have been created. Any existing red links can be filled out just fine, choosing to go for the new maps/missions only just makes this issue much worse and highlights the exact problem. People may be willing to create 1 or 2 mission/map articles, but then every other link is red for years.
As I said, maps are treated the same. They are part of these operations. If they are featured in an old operation that has all these red links, but was also featured in a future one, then it can be made just fine because it's already linked. This is not a paradox at all, I'm not sure why this would be one. There are plenty of maps/missions you can still create without this rule, but wanting to only create a new one just highlights the issue: selective creation of maps/mission articles related to these tours leads to nothing at all being done. We're always open to ideas, but the maps/missions are not seen as a completely necessary piece of content to 100% document. And yes, the intention of this rule is to prevent some content being created for them but not the rest. It is entirely intentional to have no content being created over some content being created then having the rest abandoned.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:30, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

October 9, 2025 Patch revert

Hey there, champ!

Regarding this revert. Did you do that because of the "Removed the map restriction for the Kill Merasmus Merasmission objective" note? If so, I think maybe my note:

Community map Halloween contracts no longer need to be completed in a specific order

might better encapsulate the actual change? I am not going to argue with your revert on the SF2025 page, that one is valid. I would just like to know how you feel about the wording on the Patch page. Best, Holek (talk) 09:34, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

It's already on the main patch notes under 'Updated the ConTracker to allow community map contracts to be completed in any order'. The Merasmus note is unrelated to the ConTracker change.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 09:35, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
Holy hell, it is true! Thanks, I'm super blind! Years of skmming through software patchnotes taught me to look only for certain keywords! Thanks for catching this, then! Have a great day! Holek (talk) 09:45, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Preview images of Halloween spells

Hi. I've seen some of your images created to show Unusual effects. Is it possible to do the same, but for Halloween Spells in the form of loopable GIFs? For paint effects, the same pose with Pyro, and for footprint effects, Pyro running across the screen. And if it's possible, also previews of weapon effects. User Denied signature.jpg Denied (Talk) 13:54, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

These are all done in SFM, so it would be a bit more complicated to make them. We plan to how Unusual effects are done anyway, perhaps we can use VScript to make these work too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:56, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Maul

The maul page is now devoid of its control timing table, even after clearing the cacheLolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:16, 28 October 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I missed that one. The Control Point Timing article was fine but I wasn't aware it was on its individual article too. I've fixed it now, simply using the MAP parameter and setting it to 'Maul'. Using Maul (map) broke the map link which would require more changes and be inconsistent with the rest of the template.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:22, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Casual maps

I don't understand the difference between Category:Casual Control Point (attack/defend) maps, Category:Attack/Defend maps and Category:Casual Attack/Defend maps, they all seem like the same thing for me. Not to mention that the first and the last one are pretty much empty. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 18:48, 30 October 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Category:Casual Attack/Defend maps is the correct one as well as Category:Attack/Defend maps. The former is to indicate ones that are in Casual, while Attack/Defend is for maps in the game mode in general. They may have overlapping maps but in the future there may be Attack/Defend maps that are not in Casual Mode for one reason or another. Casual Control Point (attack/defend) simply means the map has the wrong parameter set in the infobox.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:53, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
So Category:Casual Control Point (attack/defend) maps was a defect, got it. Also, are these categories applied for maps in the scream fortress/smismass rotation? Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 19:05, 30 October 2025 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
There are many categories, one for each game mode, Category:Casual Scream Fortress maps and Category:Casual Smissmas maps each contain the event-specific maps, and Category:Maps not in Casual mode.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:13, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Hellstone's Witching Hour Timing

I previously mentioned the 12-second countdown in the section since the skeleton groups and MONOCULUS don't immediately spawn the moment the clock hand hits 12. There's basically another 12 second timer that starts right after the clock hand timer (clock turns green and plays the clock ticking sound 12 times).

ZappyTwo (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Feel free to add a sentence like 'There are 12 seconds between the hands completing a full rotation and the actual effect taking place'. I mostly removed the original sentence because I saw it as just saying 'an event' without specifying the event, but you're right that the 12 seconds should be in there.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:00, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Panamint Map Page

Hi there. Wanted to know if I could move the Panamint map to be an official custom map page with missing image uploads. I plan to upload them immediately following the move, but by doing this avoid the hassle of moving and editing the description of 30 map images. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 01:54, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I realized this is a little bit of a silly question. I will just change it to have an "add images notice" when first moving it and remove it once all the images are uploaded. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 02:31, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
I'm not grampa but does the map actually meet the notability guidelines? Guidelines say it needs 2. I know the map was part of the A/D CTF and Payload Race Contest so that would be one but I honestly have never heard of the map before. Quick google doesn't really give a lot of discussion about the map, last discussion of the map on maps.tf was in 2010, I can't find a single server that's currently running the map, so I'm just not sure if it actually meets the guidelines. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 02:39, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Damn, why did it have to be two or more? Yeah that sucks and I did not know of this before making this map. However, technically all of the maps in the A/D CTF PR Contest were featured in this blog post. If this isn't enough I will resign to have this map permanently sit as a user page and we can delete the custom map pages of the other maps featured here. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 03:10, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
As Mediarch said it should meet 2 of the criteria, and it seems like it does meet the criteria for a notable event but not sure about the rest. Was it notably used post-event or extensively used post-event?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:28, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
No it was not. The only other thing going for it is that it was displayed in the blog post I embedded in my previous message. The TF2Maps.net contest could count as its own community event with significant participation as this was the annual event for TF2maps. Other events hosted by them seem to have garnered enough attention to create their own page without a blog post like the (A)Symmetry CP Contest. Then the blog post could count as a report in the game's media under the difficult to assess conditions that may support notability. If this is not enough it is a bummer, but I will leave it as a user page and we can remove the other custom map pages for the other entries of this contest (aside from the ones that became official maps). User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 20:20, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Hate to ask for a follow up so soon, but do you think this is enough or would it be possible to make a community discussion surrounding whether or not the A/D CTF PR contest Custom Map Pages should exist? If the answer in your mind is an unshakeable No I would like to know so I don't have to keep waiting with baited breath. User Fisherboy800 Fisherboy.gifUser Fisherboy800 User Talk Page.gifUser Fisherboy800 Contributions.gif 21:00, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
It just depends on if they meet one of the other criteria. They don't automatically qualify if they have been used in the event. To answer your other message that I didn't see, it doesn't count as reported in game media if it's covering the event itself and the map is only there because it won/was part of the competition. Though if you find there is enough community discussion then it may be featured regardless. Usually the assessment process is done post-creation so I can't say anything here but you could probably add it to my requests if you want me to do one pre-inclusion.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:09, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

don't you hate?

on your user page boxes there could be some stuff that could be "hate" what's the difference is it because its a joke? -The guy with a tie (talk) 22:30, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Like what?
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:33, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
"This user believes some users need to be humbled every once in a while!" this userbox -The guy with a tie (talk) 22:37, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Yes this is a joke between another user and I, which he approves of and was a running joke in our IRC. The difference here is that I'm good friends with, and it is a joke about how his first images on the TF Wiki were from loadout.tf (and he would often brag in IRC as a joke). In your case, I have not interacted with you much and you simply say that you consider me your enemy, as well as previously saying you don't like me.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
well how can I put you on my user page as then? -The guy with a tie (talk) 22:50, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Not at all.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:50, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
what... -The guy with a tie (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
There is no reason for you to put on your user page that you hate or dislike me. This is unwanted behaviour on this Wiki.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:53, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
alright I'll never put you on my page ☹️😔 -The guy with a tie (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Can I just have a word to word to you?

I'm depressed. You make me depressed. I give up and I'm just considering giving up. Just let me talk to you. I had done everything to help only, to be friendly, to be intellectual and moral. Why can't Valve just give me the authorization? Why does my life have to be a criticizing game of rules?

Dingdong1232 (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've only moved the articles you created to your own user space, where they should be.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:16, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
It's not that Gramapwood, I just tried to do the prefix and failed and you did fix it but then you went to me about how "categories don't belong on userpages". It's just that everything in my life has failed and no one appreciates or notices anything I really do. You removed the categories that were suppose to help people find emails and the developers and what they said.
Dingdong1232 (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
These e-mails can be used as references, in which case they are valid to have the other categories, but the Wiki does not host files which are simply for archiving purposes. Each file must have a use, and unless you can find a proper use for these in an article, they are fine to stay on your user space but the only allowed categories are license-based categories or Category:User images.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:21, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
So I'm just give up. All optimism is gone from me. Why do you want this? Do you not realize how much you limit and stop? I made a beautiful blog that had all this information,
ALL these solutions and it's gone, just like that. My entire lifes' work is gone.
Dingdong1232 (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Don't bother changing my mistake, just let it be there. I am a failure. I will remain a failure till I die.
Dingdong1232 (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
If you are referring to the user article named User:Dingdong1232/Dingdong1232s' Community Overview (And Its Powerhouses), this was deleted (as stated in the reason) because it contained the hard-r n-word 4 times and the t slur 3 times. In addition, it featured sections called 'SLURS (WHAT THEY PROBABLY USED TO GET BANNED FROM MATCHMAKING)', 'HOW "[hard-r n-word]" BECAME RACIST', and 'HOW "[t slur]" IS A SLUR'. These sections contained detailed breakdowns of slurs, their origins, and why they are problematic. This is not content we wish to host here. If you want, I can give you a .txt file of the article before it was deleted on a separate platform, but the TF Wiki is not a website for personal blogs, personal posts, or file hosting.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
Why don't you want it? Why don't you want free information? I gave you the reason people want that trans flag removed from the desk engineer. I made them in my notepad and here's something else I wrote that I think will give you perspective Just cuz rules? Will you really censor what's being moral all because the rules say "no hate speech" even though that's for endorsing it?
" I hope they see I am right and that they banned a depressive and see I have resolutions. But they never do, they forget and they dump, and theyyyy go after me. That's all I get. That's what I'll only get. My life is nothing. Thankfully i'm smarter now, i know most of my value is done and gone, the world is gone soon. Clearly they like banning me to "protect" me when they're the reason i want to die."
Dingdong1232 (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
I'll give up Grampasword. I'll go to an university and make my own TF2wiki. I'll inspire change. Just talk to Valve and they'll probably tell you I'm right to do this. Dingdong1232 21:37, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── As the user pages style guide mentions, the TF Wiki is not a webhost. There's no reason to cover the history of slurs on this Wiki, this Wiki's scope is Team Fortress 2, not slurs. Aside from that, yes, we should avoid using slurs on the Wiki. This has nothing to do with morality or whatever you want to believe. You are not free to host whatever you want on the TF Wiki. You are free to make your own wiki if you wish to have it cover TF2 and slurs, but I'm not sure Valve will endorse it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:42, 3 November 2025 (UTC)