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== Get rid of orphan translated disambiguation pages ==
 
== Get rid of orphan translated disambiguation pages ==
A lot of disambiguation pages have been translated but are total orphans. This makes them hard to maintain and almost completely pointless because no one can get to them. Only the main version will come up when using the search box. For example, [[BB/de]] is the German version of [[BB]]. No one is going to type "BB/de" into the search field, they will type "BB" if anything. Since [[Special:WhatLinksHere/BB/de|nothing links to that page]], it should be removed. '''I propose that all translated disambiguation pages (like BB/de) be removed if they are not connected to real articles, like [[119th_medals/de]].''' The one downside is that all of these pages will show up as untranslated pages, but I think that's okay, since they already do show up that way on most languages. Another option we could modify the bots to omit disambiguation pages in that report.  
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A lot of disambiguation pages have been translated but are total orphans. This makes them hard to maintain and almost completely pointless because no one can get to them. Only the main version will come up when using the search box. For example, [[BB/de]] is the German version of [[BB]]. No one is going to type "BB/de" into the search field, they will type "BB" if anything. Since [[Special:WhatLinksHere/BB/de|nothing links to that page]], it should be removed. '''I propose that all translated disambiguation pages (like BB/de) be removed if they are not connected to real articles, like [[119th_medals/de]] is.''' The one downside is that all of these pages will show up as untranslated pages, but I think that's okay, since they already do show up that way on most languages. As another option, we could modify the bots to omit disambiguation pages in that report.
  
 
It's a shame to lose all this translated material, and it would be nice if non-English visitors could get to those pages, but that's just not how the Go/Search functionality works on the wiki.  Thoughts? &ndash; [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]&#183;[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 09:45, 5 March 2012 (PST)
 
It's a shame to lose all this translated material, and it would be nice if non-English visitors could get to those pages, but that's just not how the Go/Search functionality works on the wiki.  Thoughts? &ndash; [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]&#183;[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 09:45, 5 March 2012 (PST)

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Proposing an "In Other Games" page of sorts...

Typically, TF2 appearances in other games, such as Worms: Reloaded or Dungeon Defenders, appear in said Trivia section of the page. However, for those with many appearances elsewhere, like the Pyro, we end up with a long list of Trivia detailing the exploits of Hudda Hudda Huh in other games. Why not just take every instance where TF2 has appeared in another game, and make a new page out of it? -- InShane 05:54, 1 March 2012 (PST)

We already have that, just as a subsection. -- Killicon train.png Hefaistus - talk 06:15, 1 March 2012 (PST)
Well then, blast! I guess my question now would be if each of these instances should be mentioned on each trivia page. I felt that it was fine when the references were few, but the trivia some pages, like the aforementioned Pyro page, is over half-occupied with appearances in different games. -- InShane 07:15, 1 March 2012 (PST)
I guess a section dedicated to other games should go in each of the dedicated Class reference pages. I'll look into it tonight. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 07:24, 1 March 2012 (PST)

Patch layout upgrade or modification

I saw this nice: "patch name"-template, and i just thought that for every language the change for the next patch is done(after = ...). I mean these parts: before, current, after ; these are manually added in every language after the next patch is announced. It reminded me of the Patches page itself which works now as a template and must be edited only once and the rest will change itself. So couldn't this also be done on a greater scale? Please tell me what you think and know about it! TheDoctor 19:36, 1 March 2012 (PST)

Get rid of orphan translated disambiguation pages

A lot of disambiguation pages have been translated but are total orphans. This makes them hard to maintain and almost completely pointless because no one can get to them. Only the main version will come up when using the search box. For example, BB/de is the German version of BB. No one is going to type "BB/de" into the search field, they will type "BB" if anything. Since nothing links to that page, it should be removed. I propose that all translated disambiguation pages (like BB/de) be removed if they are not connected to real articles, like 119th_medals/de is. The one downside is that all of these pages will show up as untranslated pages, but I think that's okay, since they already do show up that way on most languages. As another option, we could modify the bots to omit disambiguation pages in that report.

It's a shame to lose all this translated material, and it would be nice if non-English visitors could get to those pages, but that's just not how the Go/Search functionality works on the wiki. Thoughts? – fashnek (talk·c) 09:45, 5 March 2012 (PST)

Less is always better. I started this in the irc chat, and i fully support it that these non logical articles should be removed. TheDoctor 09:48, 5 March 2012 (PST)
If we can get a tag for the English pages that we can put in so that those pages will not start clogging up the missing translations list, then I am all in favour for it. Particularly since there are 'bout four dozen of those BB-pages. -- Killicon train.png Hefaistus - talk 10:09, 5 March 2012 (PST)
Yes, the tag would be that they are in Category:Disambiguation. This would lead to false positives on disambig. pages that are actually used, but redlinks on articles are straightforward to address. – fashnek (talk·c) 10:13, 5 March 2012 (PST)
I just wanted to note that i started a small discussion with DrAkcel and he said he will take care of the matter, in the russian language. TheDoctor 11:36, 7 March 2012 (PST)
But are you planning on making the bots ignore all disambigs? Some disambigs, such as Badge, really shoud be translated, and the translation of the name of these pages should redirect to their translations (eg. Значок redirects to Badge/ru, which should be done for all other languages as well).  –  Epic Eric (T | C) 11:39, 7 March 2012 (PST)
That makes me wonder, EpicEric. Why should a russian person create a Badge/ru article and then make a redirect from the russian language to this article. Isn't it more logical to make the article under the russian name for badge???? If this is not possible, ignore my rejection for it. TheDoctor 16:23, 7 March 2012 (PST)
Well, yes, it would be easiest to ignore all disambiguation pages. The false positives would be those few disambiguation pages that actually need to be translated. Badge only needs to be translated if someone sees that it needs to be translated due to a redlink or because that person has created some redirect in their own language. Nothing actually links to the "Badge" article so it exists for search purposes. I believe search abbreviations should be handled on a by-language basis. That means that if Russian editors want to have a search-based disambiguation page for articles, they should make that disambiguation page make sense in Russian specifically. It should not try to match the English one, which is based on the English word "badge". – fashnek (talk·c) 08:42, 8 March 2012 (PST)
Pictogram plus.png Support. But the bot should definitely omit them, or the new Russian translators will translate them again and again :). — Login Soldier.pngStormbird talk 08:56, 8 March 2012 (PST)
Or we add on the header of missing translation pages: "ONLY TRANSLATE DISAMBIGUATION PAGES IF THEY HAVE THE SAME NAME IN THE OTHER LANGUAGE ; and/or open articles in the russian written way, because f.e. PP/ru doesnt help a russian much if he searches in the russian language" TheDoctor 02:56, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Would PS3 modding count under hacking?

I was thinking about updating the Hacking page with info about hacking the PS3/XBOX 360 versions of the game, as they are practically hacks aswell.

Would this be a good idea?--Iamgoofball 22:09, 5 March 2012 (PST)

New template(s) proposal

Hi all, I've not made any edits for a month or so, mainly because it's been pretty quiet and I'm loathe to make work for work's sake. However, I saw this thread on SPUF, and decided to help the guy out and improve the wiki at the same time.

The almost-finished (item name links need improving) template is here, and it uses a base layout, which is seperate from the data to allow for easier editing.

The base template also uses a new User:Rebmcr/qualitycheck template (thanks to EpicEric), which could be used in place of Template:canbeunusual, if it's considered a good idea.

I need to write a Usage section for these 3 new templates tonight, but I just wanted to start getting opinions on this now. rebmcr 03:34, 14 February 2012 (PST)

OK, usage section written, appearance improved. I feel this is of a quality now that can go onto the main site. What does everyone think? rebmcr 13:57, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Pictogram plus.png I approve of this.  –  Epic Eric (T | C) 13:12, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Pictogram plus.png I approve of this in a superior fashion compared to Epic Eric --User Firestorm Flame.png Firestorm 13:13, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Here's my two cents:
  • Title bar is too big, should only cover one line (might also read better as "Possible weapon qualities")
  • Background colour makes it hard to see the breaks between weapons - try switching it to #FFDDAD as in this one
  • Don't really need the key twice - all other templates on the wiki just have it at the bottom
Nice job overall. I saw that post on the forums too and was thinking about throwing a template together. Glad I didn't bother because this one's much better than anything I could have come up with!
» Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 14:35, 15 February 2012 (PST)
Thanks for the feedback, been a bit (a lot) busy since last week, but I applied those suggestions now and fixed the bug with the title size. rebmcr 13:14, 20 February 2012 (PST)
  • Looks like the feedback was spread out over each page in the project, so I've grouped it here (if that's Naughty, please let me know). I would really appreciate more opinions, guys! rebmcr 13:14, 20 February 2012 (PST)