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:Thanks, I shall work on a more consistent-looking redesign then. '''The above boxes will look broken for now''' — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, I shall work on a more consistent-looking redesign then. '''The above boxes will look broken for now''' — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Major updates nav ==
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Now that a couple of editors who are more hard-working than me are getting the major updates up, I thought a navigation template to help travel between the pages might be a good idea. Try this on for size:
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Here's a [[User:NVis/Major_updates_nav|link to it]], as the one on the preview doesn't work. What say you, is this something we could use? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 22:13, 26 January 2011 (cUTC)
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: {{c|support}} Im all in favour of this. [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 22:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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: {{c|support}} I would like to see this new navigator implemented. Could you link the title to <code><nowiki>Patches#Major_updates</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>Patches</nowiki></code>? I think that this would be an improvement. Thank you for your creation.<br/> — '''[[User:Minip|minip]]''' 22:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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:: {{c|comment}} It can be done, but as the anchor varies with language, it would require some additional tinkering. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 22:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|support}} Yes, i like it. <b>[[User:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#41627E">DrAkcel</font>]]</b> <sup>([[User_talk:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">C</font>]])</sup> 13:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|Support}} After having launched [[User:No-oneSpecial|No-oneSpecial]] and [[User:Problem|Problem]] to create the missing update pages, I was thinking of doing this nav. So go on nVis, I'd just like adding some icons where possible. But not all pages are created yet. [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png]] [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Tturbo|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tturbo|C]])</sub></sub> 13:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::I added icons to the table, because I think it allows a faster and easier identification. We decided to put it up to vote, because nVis doesn't really. I's give ideas for missing icons in the code and we don't really like when there's two icons. What do you think? [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png]] [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Tturbo|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tturbo|C]])</sub></sub> 15:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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{{User:Tturbo/UpdateNav}}
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: {{c|support}} F*ck yeah! How 'bout using a Packaged Crate for the Mann-Conomy Update (aAs people mainly refer to it as Polycount or Trading) and a Festive Crate (Or Key) for Australian Christmas (People'll remember that easily). Alternatively, you could use the "Polycount Budle" Icon for Mann-Conomy, and "A Bargaining Manne's" Icon for AC. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 16:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::I had thought about using a key but the polycount bundle is a better idea. PS: Forgot to link to the [[User:Tturbo/UpdateNav|code]] to see icons ideas. [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png]] [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Tturbo|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tturbo|C]])</sub></sub> 16:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|support}} Still in favour of this, even more now. Though it might be an idea to try and get both of the War Update icons on the same line. [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 16:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::{{c|comment}} They are for me. Maybe it's your Resolution... [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 16:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::{{c|comment}} Yeah someone else told me that as well, must be my resolution. In that case I still support it anyways [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 16:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|support}} I'm in favour as long as we can have an icon for each update. It would look like a half finished nav if we only had icons for the class updates and halloween updates. If we can get some icons for the others then I'm all in favour for that. It's all or nothing :P -- [[User:No-oneSpecial|{{TF2B|text = No-oneSpecial| quality = vintage | size = 13px}}]] [[File:Killicon_flamethrower.png|50px|link=User:No-oneSpecial]] <small>([[User_talk:No-oneSpecial|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/No-oneSpecial|contribs]])</small> 16:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|comment}} The draft with images looks a lot better now that each update has its own icon. I can implement Tturbo's version later tonight, and make the title link to the Major updates section of [[Patches]] for each language. Any objections? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 19:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|comment}} The classless icon looks a bit weird, but I agree.[[User:Vulturas|Vulturas]] 19:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC) PS: I like how second one looks
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:{{c|support}} I know someone's not going to like the icons... Personally, I don't like that the Scream Fortress icon is at the end of the first line but the Scream Fortress link is at the beginning of the second line. They should be on the same line. That is all~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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{{c|Done}} Implemented on English pages. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 20:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Mann Co. Nav and alphabetising ==
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Hi, as it stands the current Mann Co. Nav isn't in alphabetical order in its Misc section. I went to edit this, however I realised that if I put this into alphabetical order, then items that should be next to each other such as the dueling badges would be all over the place. As such, I tried to re-organise the nav, and put items into further categories, specifically, Misc. Items, Action Items and Tools.
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Is this ok, and how can I improve any mistakes I might have made? [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 20:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:I personally think the Secret Saxton should come before the Pile o' Gifts, but other than that, should be left how it is here.  There's no point in alphabetizing anything but the hats, since all but 2 of the weapons are poly set stuff, and in other places it just wouldn't make sense. -- [[User:Henry Spencer|Henry Spencer]] [[File:Backpack_Dr's_Dapper_Topper.png|24px|link=User_talk:Henry Spencer]] 21:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:: Pile o' Gifts is before the Secret Saxton in ToolNav, I checked whilst making this one because that seemed like the most logical way to me as well, though I wanted to see how it has been previously done already. Generally weapons aren't alphabetised either and are put into class order, all I have actually changed is the Miscellaneous section at the bottom, which I have split up into three as opposed to:
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{{Template:MannConomyNav}}
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[[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 21:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|For}} Ya I like dis new nav, more organized. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:27, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|Neutral}} It's more organized but also larger. Also, I know this is the case for the current nav, but why are hats before weapons? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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::Because hats > items. Also, I definately like this. It's not too large, not at all. :3--[[File:User spyonce hearts.png]][[User:Spyonce|Spyoncé]] 21:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|support}}  '''''Organisation:'''  For the cool kids, by the cool kids.'' -<!--[[User:RJackson|<span class="modbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]]<span class="modbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">s</span>-->[[File:User_RJackson_Signature_Colon_DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.png|link=User:RJackson|200px]] 21:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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::{{c|support}} I like this more than pie. -- [[User:Henry Spencer|Henry Spencer]] [[File:Backpack_Dr's_Dapper_Topper.png|24px|link=User_talk:Henry Spencer]] 21:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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Fairly simple change so I've pushed it to the main template now. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#0070FF;">[talk]</span>]] 21:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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: Ok, thanks :D. [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 22:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Individual Pages for Paint and Crates ==
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Well, I think every paint and every crate should have their own separate page. I am, of course, aware that there is a list page for them. However, I feel it would be much more convenient for each to have its own individual page. For those who will say "The difference between paints is color, the difference between crates is what's in them", that is not the case. Paints have references, crates have history. As a regular user of the Team Fortress wiki, I find it annoying when I search a specific item: E.G. Australium Gold, and have a list pop up rather than the page. If the regulars here let me go forward with this I would be willing to create stubs/pages of all paint and crates, with dates, references, etc. Let me know what you think please! [[User:Theetah|Theetah]] 21:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|Oppose}} Such a thing would create unnecessary clutter in the Wiki. All paints operate in the same exact manner except the color itself. Essentially, you'd have the same exact thing on each individual paint article except for a different image and a few words. Same thing with crates ... they all work the same way except for what can be found in them. There's nothing convenient in having dozens of pages all essentially saying the same exact thing. [[File:Killicon deflect rocket.png|link=User:Vlad The Impaler]]  [[User:Vlad The Impaler|Vlad The Impaler]]  <sub><sub>([[User talk:Vlad The Impaler|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Vlad The Impaler|c]])</sub></sub> 21:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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::Did you read it? They wouldn't "say the same thing"- they are all slightly different. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "cluttering the wiki"... You're not forced to read pages? [[User:Theetah|Theetah]] 21:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::{{c|Oppose}} They would all say the same thing. What would be the differences on the 'Radigan Conagher Brown' and 'Ye Olde Rustic Colour' pages? You'd have 21 pages saying the same thing. It is clutter because there would be so much redundancy. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 00:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::{{c|Oppose}} There is absolutely no reason for items with such minor differences to have their own pages. For all intents and purposes they are the same item. Each paint does exactly the same thing - colour a hat - with the only difference being the colour. Each crate distribute a random item when it is unlocked where that item is decided by the series. There's nothing more to say about them individually and it is certainly not worth explaining the names of every single paint colour just because a few of them happen to be clever. -- [[Image:User Alex2539 Sig.png|47px|link=User:Alex2539|Alex2539]] - {{mod}} <sub>([[User_talk:Alex2539|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Alex2539|contribs]])</sub> -- 05:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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:{{c|Oppose}} Not enough difference. They're well enough grouped together.
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Archive 6: January 2011


Individual Pages for Paint and Crates

Well, I think every paint and every crate should have their own separate page. I am, of course, aware that there is a list page for them. However, I feel it would be much more convenient for each to have its own individual page. For those who will say "The difference between paints is color, the difference between crates is what's in them", that is not the case. Paints have references, crates have history. As a regular user of the Team Fortress wiki, I find it annoying when I search a specific item: E.G. Australium Gold, and have a list pop up rather than the page. If the regulars here let me go forward with this I would be willing to create stubs/pages of all paint and crates, with dates, references, etc. Let me know what you think please! Theetah 21:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram minus.png Oppose Such a thing would create unnecessary clutter in the Wiki. All paints operate in the same exact manner except the color itself. Essentially, you'd have the same exact thing on each individual paint article except for a different image and a few words. Same thing with crates ... they all work the same way except for what can be found in them. There's nothing convenient in having dozens of pages all essentially saying the same exact thing. Killicon deflect rocket.png Vlad The Impaler (t/c) 21:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Did you read it? They wouldn't "say the same thing"- they are all slightly different. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "cluttering the wiki"... You're not forced to read pages? Theetah 21:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram minus.png Oppose They would all say the same thing. What would be the differences on the 'Radigan Conagher Brown' and 'Ye Olde Rustic Colour' pages? You'd have 21 pages saying the same thing. It is clutter because there would be so much redundancy. User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 00:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram minus.png Oppose There is absolutely no reason for items with such minor differences to have their own pages. For all intents and purposes they are the same item. Each paint does exactly the same thing - colour a hat - with the only difference being the colour. Each crate distribute a random item when it is unlocked where that item is decided by the series. There's nothing more to say about them individually and it is certainly not worth explaining the names of every single paint colour just because a few of them happen to be clever. -- Alex2539 - (talk | contribs) -- 05:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram minus.png Oppose Not enough difference. They're well enough grouped together.
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