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Old discussion (2020)
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Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be
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What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2
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:Hi there,
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: You now have to wait for [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.
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: My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.
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: It also lacks editing.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::> he's very busy nowadays
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:::You give me too much credit. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be <br />
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::[[User:Fokuskii|Fokuskii]] ([[User talk:Fokuskii|talk]]) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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:It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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::Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The [[Strangifier]] demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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::A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Double click [https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5216 indeed does not work]. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
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:::::For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
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:::::If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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== {{anchor|Ring}}{{Demo Header|Something Special For Someone Special}} (Tool) ==
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| reservation = [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 00:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Due to the more "special" status of the ring, this reservation lasts indefinitely until the user themselves or a weapon reviewer removes it. -->
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Old discussion (2019)
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Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
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<br>Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
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<br>It seems that the process is mostly the same as the [[Gift Wrap]], but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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: Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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::Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it. <br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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:I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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::Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the [https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/c7/c718b0c234a3f5ff5fc8f0b99c3f64f0de4ccefe_full.jpg Scout avatar] (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use [https://i.imgur.com/bBLbzuP.png this]. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?
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::Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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::<br> well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-game[[User:Jomarcenter|Jomarcenter]] ([[User talk:Jomarcenter|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::: I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two '''accounts''' would be okay to reuse right?) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::<br> I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.
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::: The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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:I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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:: I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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== [[File:Mannpower Powerup King.png|16px|link=Mannpower]] [[Mannpower]] powerups ==
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Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with [[Domination|dominations]]), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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:This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:
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* Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
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* Switch to third-person mode.
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* Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.
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Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".
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Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.
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Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)
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— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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:I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:
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* Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
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** The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
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* It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
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* After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done<br>
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However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles? <br>[[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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::How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:
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::''RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video''
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::#BLU player stands beside the intel point
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::#RED player captures the intel and win the game
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::#BLU player enters humiliation
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::#RED player look at the BLU player
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::#BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.
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::I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:Simply using {{code|thirdperson_mayamode}} it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest [[Thunder Mountain]] and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using {{code|mp_bonusroundtime}} to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead? <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
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::::I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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= Need to be redone =
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== {{Demo Header|Huntsman}}, {{Demo Header|Fortified Compound}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] 20-8-2024 15:37 CEST
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| changes = {{c|Update to use post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage (4 dmg/tick for 7.5 seconds, previously 3 dmg/tick for 10 seconds).}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Ymk8-fu1Ddcl5jSatVN_5ZEjTrQ4V07/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Personally I would also full-charge bodyshot the Medic, as full-charge headshotting both the Medic and Sniper like in the existing demonstrations feels redundant.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 22:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Its probably just me, but I feel like the pacing of the first clip is too fast. Everything else looks good though.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 23:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Could be, I had to redo it >11 times due to several factors, so at some point I might've just wanted to rush through it. I can easily redo.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::Its ''probably'' not necessary, but might be worth it anyway? Can't blame you if you did rush through after that many redos though, my condolences.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Crusader's Crossbow}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.}}
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| video =
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I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. [https://youtu.be/Ssaodg-dl7g Video] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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:The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6asv69_x0o&feature=youtu.be Second try] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::''*sigh*'' Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>(they/them)</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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:::::Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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::::::Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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::::::: Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
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== {{Demo Header|Holiday Punch}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.}}<br>{{c|Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.}}
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| video =
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I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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:Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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::Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:
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::{{c|Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage}} (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)
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::{{c|Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage}}
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::{{c|Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled}}
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::* Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
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::* Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)
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::{{c|Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled}}
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::{{c|Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled}}
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:: A few other ones that I am unsure about:
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::{{c|Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM}} (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)
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::{{c|Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits}} [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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:::The <code>tr_karma_rc1</code> map has water (see [[Sydney Sleeper]] demonstration [https://youtu.be/95qD-3XF8ws?t=132 here]). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>({{gender:Exaskliri|he/him|she/her|they/them}})</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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:::No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:
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'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)'''
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*Do the same actions as was done in the original video
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'''Part 2: Basic Interactions'''
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Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.
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'''Part 2a:'''
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# Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
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# Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
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# Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
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# Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies
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'''Part 2b:'''
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# Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
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# Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
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# Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
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# Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
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# Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated
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'''Part 2c:'''
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# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a <s>friendly</s> enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
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# Attack the Scout from the front and behind
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# Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
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# Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
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# Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic
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'''Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy'''
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# Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
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# Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
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# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
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# Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
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# Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
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# Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
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# Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
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# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
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# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
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# Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
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# Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
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'''Part 4: Spy Interactions'''
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View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.
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# Approach the enemy Spy
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# Let the enemy Spy cloak
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# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
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# Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
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# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
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'''Part 5: Taunts and Water'''
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# Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
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# While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
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# Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
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# The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
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# Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
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'''Part 6: Robots'''
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# Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
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# Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.
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<s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> <s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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:Very detailed, nice. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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::By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all [[Schadenfreude]] taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation.  [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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:::Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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::::On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::::Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
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== {{Demo Header|Power Up Canteen}} ==
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does}}
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| video =
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}}
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I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? [[User:Kaezle|Kaezle]] ([[User talk:Kaezle|talk]]) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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: If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
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== {{Demo Header|Chargin' Targe}}, {{Demo Header|Tide Turner}}, and {{Demo Header|Splendid Screen}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P9-IDAoG6cQU53pGsFpNgGPxK3Di9uP-/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:{{c|yes}}, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
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:* Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
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:* Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
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:* Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
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:* Mark for death, from Fan O'War
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:I think those are all. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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::Yes, that would all be good. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Quick-Fix}} ==
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Old reservation (29 April 2021)
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{{Reservation|[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 15:53, 27 September 2012 (PDT)}}
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{{c|What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):}}
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=74 1:14]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=84 1:24]) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=129 2:09]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=159 2:39]) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock [[Medi Gun]], while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and <code>r_cleardecals</code>, so it should look neat.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=137 2:17]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=181 3:01]) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=176 2:56]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=227 3:47]) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=206 3:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=257 4:17]) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=233 3:53]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=416 6:56]) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=266 4:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=306 5:06]) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock [[Medi Gun]]'s overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
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# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=286 4:46]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=512 8:32]) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.
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{{c|The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):}}
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# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=459 7:39]) Demonstrating stock [[Medi Gun]]'s Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
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# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=478 7:58]) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.
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<br>
  
Out of curiosity, should I do the whole "crit-attack the medic" so that this can fit with the Melee Makeover? [[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 15:53, 27 September 2012 (PDT)
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:I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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::Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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:# I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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:# Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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:# Just finished <s>uploading</s> re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.
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::# https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
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::# https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
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:::[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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:::: I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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: I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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: Just uploaded the fixed version of the [[Quick-Fix]] demonstration video. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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::This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:
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* Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
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* There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.
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[[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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:::You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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::::Alright. Can you upload the new version? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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</div></div>
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
Of course [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 16:50, 27 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Kritzkrieg}} ==
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| status = review needed
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| changes = {{c|Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.}}<br>{{c|Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QdVc1nL_l3qRdnedua3f7UX96dMA4wj5/view?usp=drive_link
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}}
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I think I'll take this one! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
  
Yes, this is covered on the project page — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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:Please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZVw-FKcZEA This should hopefully do it, then]. [http://www.mediafire.com/?023kdubzrsd4n1s Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 16:32, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::At 2:09 the voice line was cut. Rest is good. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 17:30, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Also, at the beginning of the Soldier clip, I'm pretty sure that there is a dead Soldier body in front of you [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 17:33, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
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sorry! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
  
:What they said, demoman line cut and Soldier corpse in the Soldier clip. Also, this isn't a requirement, but try to wait until voice lines are finished before you turn to the next target (don't reshoot the clips for this reason, it's just something to keep in mind for future demos) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
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:Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo?  For one thing, [https://youtu.be/PbByxTR2c5s?t=69 this] part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
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:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
=={{icon item|Robo-Sandvich|16px}} [[Robo-Sandvich]]==
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::Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Reservation|-- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 16:16, 21 September 2012 (PDT)}}
 
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK4AismubQg -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 22:25, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Please watch what you pick up; this includes the health kit at 0:59, and the two sandwiches in the last two clips. Also, you have some pretty clear [http://upload.gaiatools.com/files/ragnarrobosandvichclipping_1.png audio clipping issues] that need to be addressed, it makes the rocket hits sound pretty bad — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:46, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0mQF4gXhPI Added in the suggestions and made sure there's no audio clipping. -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 23:09, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::I wasn't clear enough; by "watch what you pick up", I mean stop and take a good look at it before picking it up (the same as what is done on the [[Sandvich]] demo) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:54, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQhEj8IRxok -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 07:12, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::I guess that still wasn't clear enough >: Take another good look at the current [[Sandvich]] demo. Kill the Heavy, walk up to the sandvich, stare at it for a while, then pick it up. Don't look at it from 5 meters away where it occupies a grand 4x4 pixels space of screen real estate — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb3wcZxRyUI This should hopefully be the final redo. -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 12:59, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::::All good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
= Need to be redone=
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:::Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
== {{icon item|Escape Plan|16px}} [[Escape Plan]] ==
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:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Reservation|[[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 2:18  , 9/25/2012 (PDT)}}
 
  
The current video don't show that Lumbricious Lid will make the Halleluja sound. It is shown on the Equalizer, so it need to be redone. --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 15:37, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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::::It's easier to just ask someone for help.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:my bad i forget to show that , but if you guys don't mind let me take care of it anyway I was the previous demonstrator i would like to redo it myself. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 12:03  , 9/25/2012 (PDT)
 
  
@ Karmacharger, you can borrow my Lumbricus Lid if you need it [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 12:44, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::::I am asking for help.
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:::::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
Hey Wind , Can you delete all my Escape Plan .dem first? i wanted to re-upload them that wouldn't be so confuse. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:49  ,  9/26/2012 (PDT)
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::::::I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:Deleted all Escape Plan demos. In the future, upload them with a consistent name (escape_plan, like shown in the article URL, not escapeplan), and '''never''' name them things like "escape_plan_new" because this is what causes the confusion in the first place. Always use the same correct name every time, and the date in the file name will determine which one is the newest. If some clips haven't changed since the last version, reupload them anyway (I'll implement deduplication at the filesystem level if space becomes too much of a problem for this)
 
:Please reupload the latest versions of all the .dem's when this demonstration is done — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
http://youtu.be/eaFOVEMFSpg [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 8:14  ,  9/26/2012 (PDT)
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:What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
:The 4-way speed comparison split screen has the clips in the wrong order. The top left is 120 HP, while the top right is 160 HP. It should be the other way around — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::[http://youtu.be/2EtiP7MUMfU fixed] [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 4:13  ,  9/30/2012 (PDT)
 
:::Is good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Eureka Effect|16px}} [[Eureka Effect]] ==
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::Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
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::'''EDIT''': Clarification, [[Badlands (Control Point)]] specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  
{{Reservation|[[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 17:29, 31 August 2012 (PDT)}}
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbDjTMz8-KQ [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 17:21, 7 September 2012 (PDT)
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== Trading demonstration ==
:Couple of things here:
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{{DemoEntry
* Please put the building-dispenser-with-wrench clip on the right for consistency with the other wrench videos
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* "+200" metal visible at the beginnng of some clips
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| status = nodemo
* Repair clip starts too soon (Soldier fires a rocket before the fade is even over)
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| reservation =
* Metal counter is screwy in that clip (it's a pain to get that to render properly in demos)
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| changes = {{c|Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window}}
* In the clip at 1:36, the HUD ammo counter is not blinking. It is stuck in the purple-ish tone
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| video =
* The metal counter has the same glitch in that clip
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}}
* Spy sapper clip starts too soon as well
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We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.
* Audio at the end is cut off
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:Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
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:I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
How do I get rid of all that stuff? I tried rendering over and over and it keeps happening [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 17:13, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Teleporters|icon=RED Teleporter.png}} ==
:You can't get rid of things like the +200 metal. You just have to make sure that during the first few seconds of the demo, you do nothing, so that you can cut them later in the video editor. It is always a good idea to spend a nice 5 or 10 seconds doing nothing at the beginning of the video (and at the end), for the reason just mentioned and also because of things like "the clip starts too soon", because then you can just cut the clip a little less to make it longer, without having to re-record. The HUD "low ammo" blinking thing happens sometimes when you start recording after you run out of ammo. To fix it, start recording, then shoot stuff (away from where you will be looking in the real video) until you are low on ammo, and then do the rest of the demonstration. In post, cut the first part at the beginning during which you are shooting. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:28, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]], 7-8-2024 17:03 CEST
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show the updated metal cost.}}
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| video =
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I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order:
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First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):
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* Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
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* Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
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* Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
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* Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).
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Second clip:
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* Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).
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Third clip (requires 2 people):
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* Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.
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Fourth clip:
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* Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.
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Fifth clip:
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* Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.
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Sixth clip:
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* Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.
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Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):
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* Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).
  
Is there a certain console command that I can put in so that I get my ammo down a lot faster? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 18:17, 13 September 2012 (PDT)
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Optional extra clips:
:No, but you can start with as few ammo as possible that doesn't make the counter go red — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:46, 15 September 2012 (PDT)
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Eureka Effect clip:
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* Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.
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* Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.
  
Ben10508 you have to re-record the clip , once you started record wait for 4 secounds do noting then start your moment. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 1:09  ,  9/16/2012 (PDT)
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If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
@Wind, this is what I do. I have full ammo and metal, make a sentry, resupply, make a dispenser then destroy, then I do it again so that I have no metal. But once I resupply after making the sentry, it also refills my ammo too [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:24, 15 September 2012 (PDT)
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:I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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http://youtu.be/YBo7mh7AY6M Although ben's reservation is expired, I'm not reserving this - I just want to move on from the engineer weapons and couldn't care less who the eventual demonstrator is. Gotta move that gear up. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 09:17, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Amputator}} ==
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDh4788-1a0 [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 10:47, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
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I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:Is good Ben10508, please upload~ (Armisael's one doesn't demonstrate the resplenish-health effect from teleporting and has skull icons) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:43, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Strike that, Ben10508's video has inconsistent kill icons (See 2:18) because the kill icon broke. It's unfortunate. Still, Armisael's one can't be accepted either in its current state. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::The kill icon is broken and the game shows the skull instead, so it's going to be tough to do this demo. Opening Medic melee in the meantime so that this doesn't block everything else. If someone figures out how to replace the kill icon to make it look good again then it's alright. Otherwise, we should wait until it is fixed, after which Ben10508 should get a 3-days reservation in compensation. *smacks gavel of justice* — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:59, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
I don't really understand. Is my current one good or do I have to fix the skull icons? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 19:31, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
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:Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:You have to fix the skull kill icon. You'll do that either by simply waiting for valve to fix it (which will hopefully happen reasonably soon), or edit the kill icon to replace the skull with the eureka effect icon. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:33, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Your sapper clip is wrong as well; you need to show that the sapper can be removed in 2 hits, then demo the chain-sap. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon German Gonzila.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon License to Maim.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 19:37, 16 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
How can I edit the kill icon? I've read that in somewhere in materials/HUD but I don't have the HUD folder. Anyone help?    [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:03, 17 September 2012 (PDT)
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:: That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:I don't exactly know myself, but for the materials/HUD folder you can just create the folders starting from your tf folder and mimicking the gcf file structure. Any file in tf/ will override the corresponding file in the gcf — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:59, 18 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Also, since the skull icon is the default one, shouldn't we keep it like that for the sake off being default although I know that this is a bug. [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:17, 17 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:We could but Valve is probably going to patch it soon, which would make this video be redone again >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:59, 18 September 2012 (PDT)
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Then I'll just use the one that I have, I'll upload soon [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 02:45, 19 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Direct Hit}} ==
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I've wanted to contribute a weapon demonstration before and felt this was a good one to do, so I hope it is okay to reserve this for now while I prepare the clips and video. The weapon stats explicitly mentions it also mini-crits against targets launched airborne via the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster; would (either of) these be worth including alongside the rocket jumping Soldier airshot?<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 10:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
http://www.mediafire.com/?0buq9j1kuzkkaeq [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:35, 19 September 2012 (PDT)
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:I forgot to suggest actually; given the other Soldier primary weapons also showcase airshot clips, I feel it would be reasonable to show a comparison between the stock and Direct Hit for this due to the Mini-Crit stat. Would it be best to only do it for the clip of the Direct Hit launching the enemy airborne, or for multiple (or none) of the clips.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
Are you going to take this one? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 14:37, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
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::There's no need for the comparison imo, just a clip of an airshot is good. I also think it's also worth including the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster as they're specifically mentioned.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Like I said, they're probably going to fix it soon >: If they don't for a week more or two, then yes we'll upload the skull-icon'd one — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:39, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
It has been about a week, can we upload it now? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 20:41, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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:::Trying to get the airshot clip ft. Grappling Hook wasn't working, and after a little searching I found out that Mannpower mode disabled (mini-)crits caused by being launched airborne in 2020, and the Direct Hit's weapon statistics were never updated to address that it does not work with Grappling Hooks anymore. I'm unsure if I should include the Grappling Hook in the demonstration or not due to this, though it may be good to add to the Bugs list on the weapon page regardless. This same issue exists for the Reserve Shooter as well.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 01:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:Let's give them til thursday — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{item icon|Flamethrower|16px}} [[Flamethrower]] ==
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::::I've uploaded the demonstration video; I've opted to include the Grappling Hook airshot anyway as it is explicitly mentioned in the weapon description. I've also included damage to buildings, as it is a common use case for the Direct Hit and felt was relevant to the demonstration.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Very little know that you can reflect sentry rockets, scout projectiles, jarate and huntsman arrows... [[User:Scoot-teh-Destroyer|Scoot-teh-Destroyer]] 06:33, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
:Those are covered in their respective demonstrations. If we covered all of them in the flamethrower demo (and in the degreaser demo, and the backburner demo, and the rainblower demo...) we'd be constantly remaking them, and they'd become enormous. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 07:20, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
Well how about an air compression demo instead? The page uses the Flamethrower's video, so how about a separate one to demonstrate the ability itself. [[User:Scoot-teh-Destroyer|Scoot-teh-Destroyer]] 09:01, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
:Would be interesting, though I guess that would make it a "game mechanic demonstration" or something. Not sure what other videos this would open up for the same set of reasons. I think it's not too bad as it is, the video doesn't show everything but right underneath the video is a list of things that you can reflect, along with nice killicons that go with it. Perhaps the page should have links to all the items corresponding to that reflect, and from that the viewer could see all possible types of reflections if she/she cared to do so — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
I personally think we should at least show that sentry gun rockets can be reflected. That's sort of a staple, along with grenades, stickies, and rockets. [[User:Mr. Vinderack|Mr. Vinderack, not as sober as you...thin..yah...]] 22:08, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
:That's already shown in the sentry demonstration.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 23:57, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Frontier Justice|16px}} [[Frontier Justice]] ==
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::::: Should also include an splash damage radius comparison between stock Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 00:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
{{c|Uses the old map}}
 
  
{{c|Video is interlaced}}
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{{Outdent|6}} Felt like I had forgotten something, I even already had the clips for it! Updated demonstration link to add splash damage radius comparison.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 02:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
{{c|Blood stains on the wooden thing in the back in all clips}}
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:The clip where a Demoman was shot mid-air first before the series of other interactions with blast/air conditions doesn't feel right. There seems to be no clip where Demoman launched himself with a stickybomb. I would perhaps use a Medic for this one, and/or add a separate clip with Demoman launching himself with a stickybomb. But that's just my personal feedback. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
  
{{c|Does not have full metal in the second clip}}
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::I did consider it initially, but felt it would be redundant as the stat is only listed vaguely as "launched airborne by explosions", and the first two airshot clips feel sufficient for that already.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
  
{{c|The other Soldier behind the wooden thing fires}}
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:::I agree with the first two airshot clips being sufficient. I think the building clip is unnecessary, as we don't show that for other damage bonus/penalty attributes. I'm also missing a clip of you rocket jumping and the effect the damage bonus has on your HP (or the lack thereof). Other than that, if the video gets approved it would be best if you also made a version without the Grappling Hook clip, and then also sent that over. That way if they ever fix the attribute we don't need to redo the whole video or edit it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  
{{c|The Soldier's name in the second clip is "Bot27"}}
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::::I've posted an updated version removing the building destruction clips and added some rocket jump comparison clips (they can be seen near the end of the video, just before the airblasting clip).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 02:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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:::::Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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::::::@Kibblekip In the section where you compare the dmg radious, make it so the rocket launcher clip goes first and then the direct hit, so that it looks less confusing~. Also, idk about the grappling hook thing. It would be better to remove the clip. I'm pretty sure Valve at some point is going to remove that attribute from the direct hit · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-h4Hw4rZ2g [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 15:16, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
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{{Outdent|7}}I've removed the Grappling Hook clip and added a delay between the Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit clip, as I assume this is what you was asking for.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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Could we just redo all the videos that are demonstrated on old map? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 5:24  , 10/1/2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Thermal Thruster}} ==
:As [[#Demonstrations on the old map|Wind said]], it's best if we focus on the ones that need re-doing for other reasons before we start on those. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Prancer's Pride.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Pyrovision Goggles.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 04:40, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
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This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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That video was indeed in need of a redo, I didn't catch that interlacing too. Yours also shows things more clearly because it is slower in the crits demonstration part. However, you build and destroy the sentry too quickly (the PDAs are on screen for like a quarter of a second). Slow down at those part (leave it open for 1.5~2 seconds), and before dropping it as well (wait 1.5~2 seconds between the moment you pick the sentry, and the moment you drop the toolbox on the ground) and that should do it~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
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== {{icon item|Grenade Launcher|16px}} [[Grenade Launcher]] ==
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I'd also like to better indicate both the distance and height that can be achieved in separate clips, as I feel the original demonstation does not fully showcase the capabilities of the Soda Popper's Hype gauge in the last clip alone. Would it be good to also include Hype build on invisible Spies, or would only disguised Spies be necessary?<br> [[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 02:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:Someone pointed this out in the YouTube comments. [[User:TFHK|TFHK]] 21:23, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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:Something I only considered just before I got to video editing is that the Soda Popper's increased fire rate and reduced reload speed stats appear to be directly in reference to the FaN rather than the Scattergun, thoughts on including a comparison between the two? (probably side-by-side clips of shooting a Heavy, probably from far enough away that it doesn't trigger the FaN's knockback)<br> [[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 19:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
Another thing is that there is some weird music mixing at 0:38 [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 21:42, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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::I would say compare it to the FaN's fire speed, ignore the scattergun, and if you're worried about knock back try and do it against the back wall of tr_karma. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 19:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
Is this really necessary? Showing the Spy's death can indirectly show splash damage, and how you can kill enemies that you've never even seen. Plus it's kind of funny.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 13:33, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
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::Just compare to all 3. Scattergun, Force-A-Nature, and Soda Popper in one clip. Also make sure to inspect the Force-A-Nature before starting the clip.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
: Splash damage is already shown with the Soldier and Scout. The Spy's not to be shown at all, directly or through the killfeed, unless a tauntkill is involved. -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar
 
Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 13:35, 30 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: Also the current video are the primary and secondary shown backwards which is patched so it needs a redo -- [[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 15:35, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
I think it's kind of funny and helpful at the same time, even if unintended. It's the sort of detail that you either don't notice (thus don't care), or you do (and it makes you smirk and get that you can kill people you can't see with this thing). Honestly if this demo were to be redone I'd like it if it happened again, this time on purpose perhaps. The primary/secondary slots isn't enough to warrant a redo by itself because otherwise we'd kinda need to redo all the demoman videos, so no. Sorry RagnarHomsar >: [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
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:::If I do all three the HUD breaks due to the Soda Popper's 'Hype' HUD clipping over the health bar. Is there a way I'd be able to fix this? If not I'll only be able to compare two of them at once, to which I'd probably do the FaN and Soda Popper and ignore the Scattergun.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 10:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
== {{item icon|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker|16px}} [[Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker]] ==
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:::Unless you're using a custom HUD or playing in 4:3, the Hype meter shouldn't be anywhere near the health bar, instead it should be near the ammunition count. (You should use the default HUD + a 16:9 resolution, at least 1366x768 or 1600x900 when making demonstration videos) ♡ [[User:JupiterSphere|<span style="color:#ffbb57">JupiterSphere</span>]] ( ◡‿◡ *) ⊱✿⊰ [[User talk:JupiterSphere|<span style="color:#b97ecf">Talk To Me!</span>]] ⊱✿⊰ 11:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
I think this video would benefit greatly from having [[Haunted Fortress 2|Haunted Fortress 2 (Soundtrack)]] in the background, like the [[Saxxy]]. Any thoughts? --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 00:19, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} It's not the normal weapon, it's a halloween weapon. So It should have speacial soundtrack but I'm not sure because Unarmed Combat and Wanga Prick are halloween weapons too... [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 01:10, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:{{c|Support}} It is a special weapon, it'll be more interesting to have it in there. @Hinaomi, The Unarmed Conbat and The Wanga Prick are normal and most importantly, they are in the unique quality. As for the Headtaker, it is only in the unusual quality [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 18:47, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
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::::This is unfortunately not an option if they need to compare 2 or 3 clips in one go.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:{{c|Support}} but by itself not enough to warrant a redo — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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Demonstration added. I used separate clips to show the Soda Popper's Hype gauge usage both for primarily horizontal and vertical movement separately, as I felt this gives a better idea of how it can be utilized.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 01:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{c|Against}} Aside from the fact that the abrupt (and inevitable) transition between tracks sounds like junk in the saxxy demo, why don't we use [[Dreams of Cruelty]] for the rainblower and lollichop, and [[MEDIC!]] for the quick fix demo? Also, since we're apparently going to be using [[The Calm]] as a signal of game mode, it would probably be better not to start randomly throwing in other tracks. [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:01, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Highland Hound|16px}} [[Highland Hound]]==
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:Looks good. I think the initial clip doesn't need the Hype jumps, though. No need to redo for that.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
{{c|Stickybomb Launcher had only 7 bombs loaded.}}
 
:{{Reservation|[[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 10:24  ,  10/1/2012 (PDT)}}
 
:http://youtu.be/7mZH4ZcSXsE [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 12:18  ,  10/2/2012 (PDT)
 
::Nice catch, but really not enough to deserve a redo ._. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Anyway the old video does not have 1080p HD and not render with srcdemo2 :( [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 12:54  ,  10/2/2012 (PDT)
 
::::That's alright, those are not requirements either. I agree that your video looks much nicer than the current one, but the current one isn't really bad enough to warrant a redo. Next time you should wait for me to approve the redo before working on it, so that you don't waste time :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:01, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
=={{icon item|Kritzkrieg|16px}} [[Kritzkrieg]]==
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::Aye yeah, I mostly included that given it was in the existing demonstration; didn't know why it was in that either but felt it was safer to include just incase.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 23:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
The other two Medigun videos shows the longer a target has been hurt, the faster the heal rate. This one doesn't.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 19:26, 17 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
=={{icon item|Power Up Canteen|16px}} [[Power Up Canteen]]==
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:::I should have answered before. For the 3 clips section, please modify the huditemeffectmeter_sodapopper.res file and move the meter above the ammo. Now, this scene is kinda confusing, so make 2 scenes, in the first show only the increased firing speed (vs the scattergun) and in the second only the increased reload speed (vs the fan) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 02:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D92u65nNMC0 Uploaded video] has some minor mistakes.
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::::As in have a scene with the Scattergun & Soda Popper (firing speed), a scene with the FaN & Soda Popper (reload speed), and then the three guns together like it is currently (aside from edited HUD)? Personally I feel the existing trio of clips gets the stat differences across reasonably enough, but if you feel it would be more appropriate to have them separated first I'll do that, sure.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 19:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  
{{md}}The video has to show, that you can attack while being Ubercharged. This part of a video makes a feeling, that you can't.<br>
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:::::I've uploaded an updated version that showcases the firing speed and the reload speed separately, and re-did the 3 clips section to fix the HUD (and to not inspect the FaN, as it was already shown and inspected earlier). I hope this suffices.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 22:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
{{md}}You can show, that it is available for all classes, but the demonstration itself could be made by Engineer only to short the time.<br>
 
{{md}}Video didn't show that Crits bottle increases Sentry's shooting speed. One more point for Engineer demonstration.<br>
 
{{md}}Video didn't show Medic's ability to share the effect.<br>
 
What do you think about it? '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 00:12, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:All important points - especially the Sentry firing speed one, as that isn't explained very well in-game. {{User:Cooper Kid/Signature}} 04:34, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
::And it needs to be shown that "Building Upgrade" can do that building that is under the constructing can go to level 3 and don't have to construct no more. --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 16:40, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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::::::Remove the 3 clip section. It is no longer necessary · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@Cooper Kid, I think it really need to show because it'll appear when equipped Canteen with Crits, even it isn't explained very well. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:49, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:First one isn't really important but if we're going to redo it, might as well fix that. Second one is to show which classes have access to which upgrades and for consistency with the way that multi-class items are demonstrated. It's not ideal but it's not too bad either. Third one and fourth one are pretty important.
 
:While we're at it, two other things:
 
* Someone in the comments says that while the instant-upgrade canteen is active, you can build new buildings and they will instantly be upgraded. Is that true?
 
* Someone in the comments says that we should use the MvM music for this. I agree, it makes a nice change, same as using the saxxy music for [[Saxxy]]
 
[[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Syringe Gun|16px}} [[Syringe Gun]] ==
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{{Outdent|7}}I've updated the demonstration to remove said section.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{c|On the old tr_target_weaponref}}
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== {{Demo Header|Widowmaker}} ==
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 17:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show that metal is not gained when shooting disguised spies.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1piTu5LUbcjsD5vgPdGs5-tH5pgYJQCxJ/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{c|Blood stains behind the Pyro}}
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== {{Demo Header|Ubersaw}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation = [[User talk:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.}}
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| video =
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I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Added updated ver. [[User:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] ([[User talk:Myrmxa|talk]]) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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:The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
{{c|Minor graphical glitches when the Medic taunts}}
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== {{Demo Header|Machina}}, {{Demo Header|Shooting Star}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1co1dYQorbjHtGUaI15pppyzHasE6HwiP/view?usp=sharing
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| video-text = Machina
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| video-extra = [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c84xblZSWBwVeDRwXt8BLy6-fKSyOEco/view?usp=sharing Shooting Star]
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}}
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Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. [[User:Andreng|Andreng]] ([[User talk:Andreng|talk]]) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
{{c|Looks back after taunt}}
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== {{Demo Header|Ap-Sap}}, {{Demo Header|Snack Attack}}, {{Demo Header|Red-Tape Recorder}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation = [[User:Dessensce|Dessensce]] ([[User talk:Dessensce|talk]]) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.}}
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| video =
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}}
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
{{c|No end sound}}
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== {{Demo Header|Battery Canteens}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.}}
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| video =
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}}
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
{{Reservation|[[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:06, 26 September 2012 (PDT)}}
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== {{Demo Header|Neon Annihilator}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]]
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show critical hits from the gas passer and damage vs stock.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BxRKhQF-q-Eok_0mp2ywX1fyxYN51Zp5/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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I've added an additional clip showing damage vs players being lower. I added a clip of the Jarate + Gas Passer too. In the Sniper clip in the sewers I also show that the Neon Annihilator changes to a damaged state. I'm also concerned about the third and second to last clips having a bit of a fast transition to the next clip. Otherwise, it should be good. Also note that [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] played the Engineer and had trouble getting out of the water.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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:The old version of the Engineer wetness clips with the outdoor lakes seemed to work better with smoothness of the comparisons. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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::I think that's simply because of how awkward one of the clips is about getting out of the water. I can definitely improve it if needed.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::I think it is worth redoing the clips. Preferably, I think the water should be that pond like in the other Neon Annihilation video. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 05:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::I don't know which map that was on, I have a feeling it is Watchtower, though. I think I can redo the clip just fine on tr_karma, but with a smoother exit from the water.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
[http://youtu.be/J8iUNoYQZyA All Fixed] [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:06, 26 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Unleashed Rage}} ==
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 03:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Updated Taunt: Unleashed Rage to fix incorrect outro timing.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/14cIlo8fDcPzlpRRc0NMtwEQ9f4egI6nV/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
Backpack clip is too short wait for 4 seconds or 5. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:12  ,  9/27/2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Unusualifier}} ==
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| begin
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] 15-8-2024 18:24 CEST
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| changes = {{c|Current video has the shadowplay icon in the bottom right while showing the taunt}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/19RfUgNWl0wqtreBRHC7OZA-TjqLmpApo/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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I've matched the sound and everything up to the old one, the only noticeable thing is maybe a jump in background ambience as tr_target_weaponref_hdr uses a different ambience. I can re-record on there if necessary.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVvSQQ2pQg Longer Backpack View] [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 14:12, 27 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Classic}} ==
:Is good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]}}<br />{{c|Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.}}
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| video =
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http://www.mediafire.com/?2aqxne7so51sahi [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 17:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)'''
  
= Actual Spy Melee Makeover =
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Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tK4HASL-I the current video].
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# Inspect the rifle
* Make sure to turn crits '''ON''' (requirement for all spy melee demonstrations, so that the backstab animation plays correctly)
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# Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
* During the first clip, poke the Pyro from the front for two hits, then go on the left and poke the Pyro from the side until she dies (do not backstab, and make sure the knife raising animation doesn't happen)
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# Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
* Go behind Soldier (make sure not to look in the direction where the spy-that-will-be-tauntkilled is while you do this)
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# Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
* Looking straight at Soldier's back, take a few steps forward and backward to show the knife raising animation 2 or 3 times. Wait a second before changing direction, don't just mash the forward/backward keys sequentially
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# Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
* Once you're in backstab range the third time, backstab the Soldier
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# Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
* Wait until the Soldier death animation finishes and that the ragdoll is still on the ground before moving to the Medic
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# Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
* Do the same thing to the Medic as is shown in the current versions of the videos (show the full extent of the backstab angle etc) and backstab the Medic at the same extreme angle, still making sure you don't see the spy-that-will-be-tauntkilled while you do this
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# Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
* Taunt(kill) as usual
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# Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
* Add a clip to the video, which goes as follows:
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# Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
** Start in regular wooden barrier thing, with an enemy Spy and a friendly Heavy in front of you (with the enemy Spy on your left, the friendly Heavy on your right)
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# Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
** Stare at them for a few seconds, then have the enemy Spy disguise as a friendly Heavy
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# Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
** Stare at them again for a few seconds more, then go behind the friendly Heavy
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# Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
** Go back and forth through the friendly Heavy (go completely through) 3 times to show that you can walk through as if nothing was there
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# Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
** Go behind the enemy Spy and do as if you wanted to go through him, the same way you did for the friendly Heavy. This shows the knife raising animation on top of showing the "solid-ness" of the enemy Spy
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# Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
** Once you are in backstab range for the third time, go in front of the enemy Spy but from a few steps away, and look at him
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# Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
** Have the enemy Spy cloak
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# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
** Go back behind the enemy Spy and do the same motion as you just did, showing the knife raising animation, the "solid-ness" of the enemy Spy, and the cloak blinking effect when you touch him
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# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
** Once you are in backstab range for the third time, take a few steps back
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# Taunt.
** By now, cloak may have run out already. If it hasn't, manually uncloak the enemy Spy back into a friendly Heavy disguise
 
** Backstab him a few seconds after the uncloak is complete
 
** End clip
 
  
== {{icon item|Knife|16px}} [[Knife]] ==
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'''Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1'''
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
 
<br/>{{reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:31, 23 September 2012 (PDT)}}
 
:http://youtu.be/Bh7IPtPkO2Q — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 23:02, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Doesn't exactly match the above but close enough. Please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:54, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Sharp Dresser|16px}} [[Sharp Dresser]] ==
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Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.
{{c|Note|Special considerations: No crafting number this time}}
 
  
{{Reservation|[[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 19:34, 23 September 2012 (PDT)}}
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# Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
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# Move forward to the garage door.
  
I like how you said "until SHE dies" [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 20:03, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2'''
:<nowiki>:3</nowiki> — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:54, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
I've read on the project page that you can make a Spy bot disguise, but for some reason, I still don't get how you can do that without you having to disguise as well. Someone tell me how, or just simply join my private game and play as the Spy for me [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:12, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.
:You can't make a Spy bot disguise without bot_mimic. For these demonstrations, you need a second account and a second TF2 instance running, or invite a friend to play the Spy indeed — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:00, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
I think I'll just go with having a human play the Spy, someone here just add me or something. How in the world do I get 2 instances of TF2 running at the same time? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 19:07, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Begin charging the right-hand side.
:You either use two computers, or you use Sandboxie to isolate each instance. You need a pretty powerful computer to do this though, although if you are using Source Recorder then you can set TF to low graphics settings while you do this, then turn back on the high graphics settings when rendering.
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# For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
:You could also run one instance in VirtualBox or VMWare or something like that. That instance would look terrible and be really slow, but if all you need to do is to press two buttons (change weapon, then disguise) then that's not a big problem — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:12, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.
:I'd recommend using Hamachi for both you and your assistant. Did wonders for my Black Rose demonstration. --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 09:00, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Hmm, can you help me out Akuago? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 12:38, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling'''
  
Alright, thanks Akuago for helping me out [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 14:27, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
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Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.
  
http://youtu.be/UvmMzxdWroc [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:06, 26 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Aim straight.
:Music mixing is a bit awkward at 0:59. That's the only problem though~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
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# Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
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# Scope and jump.
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# Unscope the Classic.
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# Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
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# Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
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# Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  
http://youtu.be/ytjm3rN_ews [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 19:42, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot'''
:Very good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Black Rose|16px}} [[Black Rose]] ==
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At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
 
  
{{Reservation|[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 20:26, 23 September 2012 (PDT)}}
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# Charge the Classic.
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# Fall while still charging.
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# Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.
  
[http://youtu.be/RjQbOkyE5xs Here's my demonstration.] [https://www.box.com/s/kefvx3hik23vqztww7vy Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 09:00, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot'''
:All good, thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Your Eternal Reward|16px}} [[Your Eternal Reward]] ==
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At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
 
<br/>{{reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:26, 24 September 2012 (PDT)}}
 
:http://youtu.be/4F7VU9AtqGI — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 18:27, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Again poor music mixing at 0:43 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:00, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::http://youtu.be/X5PdIIiqJW0 — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:56, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Did you just try to sneak in videos, you still have the big earner clip, and one more open. But you have videos for the wanga prick and spy-cicle [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 18:53, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Charge the Classic.
:Since making that comment, it has come to my attention that you are allowed to submit videos for as many demos as you want. I was wrong when I spoke before, and apologize for that. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 18:56, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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# Fall while still charging.
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# Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.
  
You can make videos for anything, it's just that you have no right to complain if someone else reserves the demonstration and makes their own version, as long as the first version isn't accepted. That means that you can reserve this demonstration right now if you want, and your version will take priority, as long as you reserve this demonstration before Armisael's version is accepted — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:03, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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'''Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged'''
  
:The video should demonstrate the fact that you disguise as only human targets upon a backstab, and not robots from mann vs machine--[[User:Aznsloverice|Aznsloverice]] 20:08, 25 September 2012 (PDT)
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Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".
::If that's the case, then yes I agree. Otherwise the video is good — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Uploading per IRC discussion. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:01, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Wanga Prick|16px}} [[Wanga Prick]] ==
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# Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
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# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
:http://youtu.be/4_zTNX2CrZw — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 18:27, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Is good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:00, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Conniver's Kunai|16px}} [[Conniver's Kunai]] ==
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(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)
{{c|Note|No special considerations}}
 
<br/>{{reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:31, 23 September 2012 (PDT)}}
 
:http://youtu.be/RO4ZDonGCxg — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 14:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::All good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== {{icon item|Big Earner|16px}} [[Big Earner]] ==
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'''Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged'''
{{c|Note|Special considerations: Put all the cloak-charging-related stuff into its own clip. Do not cloak during the first clip; do whatever you want in the second clip that shows cloak recharge}}
 
<br/>{{Reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 14:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)}}
 
:http://youtu.be/FQVYWLYUdhU Previous owner reservation overwrite. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 14:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Poor music mixing at 0:43. clips are good though — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::http://youtu.be/GiFU_T7DuhI — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:56, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Uploaded, per IRC discussion. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 20:00, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:overwrite reservation? i just reserved 2 Demonstration only. what's wrong with it? and my demonstration is almost done and who's care about Previous owner? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:06  ,  9/25/2012 (PDT)
 
::If you would actually go read the reservation rules, the previous demonstrator is allowed to override reservations on that demonstration for a week after it's released. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 15:15, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Oh , then you did the most demonstration all times. don't you tell me i only can reserve demonstration that i am the previous demonstrator? Yes i can accept that rules with only can reserve 2 demonstration. what's the point? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:19  ,  9/25/2012 (PDT)
 
:::(Spy-cicle , Wanga Prick ,  Your Eternal Reward) you did the 3 demonstration of them. for example if people reserved 1 of them , then are you going to remove thier reservation all time just because you're the previous owner? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:23  ,  9/25/2012 (PDT)
 
::::Anyone is free to work on any demonstration they want to, and to reserve any unreserved demonstration. If you work on a demonstration without a reservation, you take the risk that the person who reserved will finish at the same time and will automatically win the conflict. If you reserve a demo that an active contributor worked on previously, you risk having your reservation overridden.
 
::::Earlier in the project, we didn't need these rules to be explicitly stated because it was understood that you gave the previous demonstrator time to publish before you started working. Reservations weren't binding - just a heads-up that someone was already working on that demo. As a result of certain contributors' actions, the current ruleset was put into place to codify those previous unspoken rules. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 15:37, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
:I'm going to amend that rule so that such a reservation overwrite counts towards the limit. This means that Armisael can't overwrite a demonstration if he already has 2 other demonstrations reserved. Still, Armisael only had one reservation (Knife demo), so he can still reserve this demonstration, and he has priority because he made the previous version of the video. Sorry >: But it does mean that you can reserve something else now, including the demonstrations that Armisael has made a video for but didn't reserve — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.
  
== {{icon item|Spy-cicle|16px}} [[Spy-cicle]] ==
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(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)
{{c|Note|Special considerations: Wait longer at the end of the last clip}}
 
:http://youtu.be/cE4GJq3O1zw I've gotta say, that sandboxed rendering technique has been fantastic for my productivity. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 18:27, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Stare at the Medic's corpse (or Soldier's, if you prefer) until it collapses on the ground, as shown in the current version of the demonstration. Also, the no-kill-feed-notice clip still doesn't really wait long enough — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:00, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::What the hell is the point of the clip at 1:38? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Liquidator's Lid.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Dr. Gogglestache.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 19:23, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::To show that the stab doesn't make a sound (though the ice formation does) and that nothing shows up in the kill feed. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 19:26, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::It's to show that there is nothing in the kill feed about the kill. That's why I ask for it to be longer, so that you have more time to see what is going on. Perhaps it should be done the same as pyroland kill feed differences, using a split-screen. That's probably a good idea — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:27, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::::http://youtu.be/KszwDqVKO_g — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::::::Final voice line was cut ("You got bloo--") — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:http://youtu.be/uCQHg6anpzw — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:01, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Is good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
= Multi-class/All-class Melee Makeover =
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# Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
=={{icon item|Half-Zatoichi|16px}} [[Half-Zatoichi]]==
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# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
{{c|Note|Special considerations: Pace should be slowed down relatively to the current version}}
 
  
{{Reservation|[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 22:49, 1 October 2012 (PDT)}}
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For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.
  
=={{icon item|Frying Pan|16px}} [[Frying Pan]]==
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There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.
{{c|Note|Special considerations: There was a corpse on the ground at the beginning of the Demoman clip. Should not happen again}}
 
:{{Reservation|[[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 1:44  ,  10/2/2012 (PDT)}}
 
  
=={{icon item|Saxxy|16px}} [[Saxxy]]==
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[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
{{c|Note|Special considerations: Must use Saxxy music at the beginning, must have the same video quality standard as current version (1080p, 30fps with 50fpf blendrate or higher, graphics settings [[portal:File:Portal_2_walkthrough_config.cfg|maxed out]], and uploaded in lossless format)}}
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
:{{Reservation|— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:27, 1 October 2012 (PDT)}}
 
  
=Cosmetics=
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== {{Demo Header|Reserve Shooter}} ==
=={{icon item|Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect|16px}} [[Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect]]==
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{{DemoEntry
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.}}
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| video =
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Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
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<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
{{Reservation|[[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 1:23  , 9/24/2012 (PDT)}}
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== {{Demo Header|Time Out Therapy}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 23:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Materials were updated on [[September 16, 2021 Patch]] and the mug is now team-colored, the cross is red or blue.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j6o3h6FxdVT1xKTjtkTgL2QWXNbCtLdz/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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[[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
<br/>[[HOUWAR]] currently has a note asking for an official video showing the animations on this hat (it writhes around). Could this possibly be folded into this video? I dunno - I'm not real big on cosmetic demonstrations. Thoughts from everyone? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 15:41, 10 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Battin' A Thousand}} ==
:Yes — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:09, 12 September 2012 (PDT)
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
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| video =
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}}
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Fine let me finish this faster. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 10:30  , 9/21/2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Meet the Medic (taunt)}} ==
:something wrong here , i don't own the hat but i replaced everything of this hat into alien swarm. in pyroland once i killed someone the kill tag say "Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Re + Karma Charger" Stopped at "Re" of the last word , any fix? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 11:28  ,  9/21/2012 (PDT)
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{{DemoEntry
:Someone told me that's character limit is that true? [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 1:01  , 9/22/2012 (PDT)
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::Possibly. Try changing your name to something longer and check if it cuts the word at the same letter, that way you can find out — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:20, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
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| status = approved
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| changes = {{c|Show the taunt with all of the mediguns similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wDpb_Mr7nQisgm0-JP0YblljmHDWUT_1/view?usp=sharing
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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http://youtu.be/vU13qg8uvUs sorry for a long time just because of school and some home works , about the name whatever i changed "karma" or karma charger" the name of the hat still goes to the same cut at the "re" you may see some clips named to "karma" that show people the "character limit" player's name and hat's name is not related. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 11:34  ,  9/29/2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Southern Hospitality}} ==
:Crit sound at 0:53. That's the only problem, everything else is good~ Once you've fixed the crit sound, don't upload it to youtube, upload the original video files and the .dem's directly — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
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{{DemoEntry
:http://www.mediafire.com/#a0nxrvj9qiv37 [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:05  , 10/1/2012 (PDT)
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Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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=={{icon item|Scrap Pack|16px}} [[Scrap Pack]]==
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== {{Demo Header|Invis Watch}}, {{Demo Header|Cloak and Dagger}} ==
{{c|Pyroland assists}}
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{{Reservation|[[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 02:43, 13 September 2012 (PDT)}}
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxICm8Ydf1U
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== {{Demo Header|Quäckenbirdt}} ==
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While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  
The tone of the video is a bit darker than my usual ones because I rendered it to make the video size smaller. The original video was a few gigs, I dunno why. But I rendered it to about 60 mbs [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 12:36, 20 September 2012 (PDT)
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:Please don't use the codec and encoding settings you used here; it suffers from discoloration (as you noted) and some pretty bad [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video interlacing] problems (look at pyro's shotgun when she reloads it or fires it). For best results, I recommend x264vfw (as linked on the project page) with a quantizer-based pass somewhere between 8 and 16. The clips themselves are all good though~ The audio looping is a little off though, you may want to use Karmacarger's clips — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:38, 20 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLSKgrqsHA [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 15:17, 22 September 2012 (PDT)
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== {{Demo Header|Warrior's Spirit}} ==
:Still interlaced >: It should be in your video editor's rendering settings. If anywhere it says "interlaced" or "use interlacing" or "1080'''i'''" (as opposed to "1080'''p'''"), uncheck it. Like I said, you can tell if it's interlaced by looking at the pyro's shotgun (or anywhere where there's a clear edge in motion against a plain background). You'll see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Interlaced_video_frame_%28car_wheel%29.jpg interlacing marks]. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:46, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
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[http://youtu.be/p3OuOIy8bN4 Hopefully this is good enough] [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 18:39, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
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= [[Main Page (Classic)|Team Fortress Classic]] =
:All good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:46, 23 September 2012 (PDT)
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== [[File:TFC Crowbar.PNG|16px]]{{Demo Header|Crowbar (Classic)}} ==
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http://www.mediafire.com/?mlb29b8203r9wi1 [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 12:55, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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== [[File:TFC p nailgun.png|16px]]{{Demo Header|Nailgun (Classic)}} ==
:Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:45, 24 September 2012 (PDT)
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=Questions and Proposals=
 
=Questions and Proposals=
 
'''Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration#Need_to_be_redone|Need to be Redone]] section above and it will be dealt with.'''
 
'''Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration#Need_to_be_redone|Need to be Redone]] section above and it will be dealt with.'''
==is anyone looking for longer version of each demonstration music?==
 
5 minutes version of each songs , [http://www.mediafire.com/?7qt1g25vta7aw6q it is for these people who needed this. ]  ending sound is another file so don't worry. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 09:12  ,  5 July 2012 (PDT)
 
  
http://www.mediafire.com/?3o4xsap1s51k253. Here is a 10 minute version of it if anyone needs this [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 09:22, 24 August 2012 (PDT)
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== [[File:Item icon Voodoo-Cursed Heavy Soul.png|20px|link=Zombie Infection]] [[Zombie Infection]] Zombies ==
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{{c|Zombies have different abillities than normal players}}.
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Hello, I am Slimyboi500.  I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.
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Why, you may ask?  Unlike normal gamemodes, the [[BLU]] team (or in this case, the zombies), have different [[Zombie_Infection#Zombie_abilities|abillities]] than normal:
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*[[Scout]]: Speed Demon
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*[[Soldier]]: Pounce
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*[[Pyro]]: Hellspawn
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*[[Demoman]]: Blast Charge
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*[[Heavy]]: The Tank
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*[[Engineer]]: EMP Grenade
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*[[Medic]]: Heal
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*[[Sniper]]: Spit
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*[[Spy]]: Reveal
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They also have different effects, like different amounts of [[health]] and [[speed]].  The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.
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Let me know if it's a good idea or not.
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----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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:If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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::The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities.  I feel like it would be a good idea.  Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.
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::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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:::It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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::::Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.
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::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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:::::Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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::::::Still, is that a yes on the idea?
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::::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|6}} I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. [[User:Profiteer|Profiteer]] was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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:I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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:: I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the [[#Need_to_be_redone|backlog]]...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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::: I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it
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::: ----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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::::Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at least[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer(奸商)the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH ==
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When Saxton Hale used [[Flippin' Awesome]] or [[Skullcracker]], the other mercenary participating the taunt will be [[VS_Saxton_Hale_Mode#cite_ref-10|taunt killed]], is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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:I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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::Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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:::I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Configs for partner taunt demonstrations ==
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I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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== New tr_karma and requirements ==
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I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:
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* Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
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* Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
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* Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
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* Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
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* Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
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* Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
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* Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB
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The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are [[User:Ashe/Sandbox2|here]]. Check them out and give feedback · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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== Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event ==
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When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.[[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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:It works fine on my end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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::Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Question about 2D and 3D player models ==
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A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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: they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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::As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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:::Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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::::I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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== Mastercomfig question ==
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I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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:Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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::Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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== Closed Captions/Subtitles ==
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Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaDV6NNHXs pomson] video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.
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<strike>Looking at [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698?hl=en#zippy=%2Cadvanced-file-formats youtube supported formats] I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found [https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit this open source] editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing.</strike> - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.
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On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnKOX2PaQZY Subtitle editor permissions] exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000]] [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es]] and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software [https://aegisub.org/ aegisub] and a corresponding [https://github.com/arcusmaximus/YTSubConverter converter] app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Nhmng61c example] for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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:: The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me ''days''. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
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:: A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-cAG3kW2I&lc=Ugzg0JWOWoTusUnnkqJ4AaABAg.9x1ptkjgJ8x9y19le2sD_i c this video] - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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::: As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/captions/insert API]. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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::::I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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== Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel ==
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Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 [[achievements]]? Introducing [https://www.drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE Achievement Demonstrations]! ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGNf5H5IRU Video])
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=== ''"Why demonstrate achievements?"'' ===
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TF2 has '''hundreds''' of achievements, with many having rather ''vague'' descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.
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=== ''"How should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. [[Strategy#Achievement_strategies|This page]] should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the [[Scout]] by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus [[bots]], though versing another player will be necessary at times.
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* '''''[[Taunts#Kill_taunts|Taunt kill]] and [[Deathcam]]-related achievements:''''' Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
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* '''''Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time:''''' Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
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* '''''[[Achievement_items|Milestone achievements]]:''''' Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
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* '''''Achievements requiring Steam friends:''''' These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
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* '''''Unobtainable achievements (ie certain [[Replay_achievements|Replay achievements]]):''''' Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
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* '''''[[Achievements#Joke_achievements|Joke achievements]]:''''' A demonstration should not be necessary for these.
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=== ''"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in [[Valve_Hammer_Editor|Hammer]] with altered bot spawn locations.
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* '''''[[Arena]] achievements:''''' arena_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Capture the Flag]] achievements:''''' ctf_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Control point]] achievements:''''' cp_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[King of the Hill]] achievements:''''' koth_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Mann_vs._Machievements|MvM achievements]]:''''' mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
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* '''''[[Payload]] achievements:''''' pl_karma_wiki.
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* '''''Event-related achievements:''''' tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
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* '''''[[Replay]] achievements:''''' Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.
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[[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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: {{c|con}} My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the [[Obtaining General achievements|"Obtaining Achievements"]] type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:: Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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::::It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, [https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager Steam Achievement Manager] is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::::And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are ''"too basic,"'' this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: [[weapons]] can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, [[taunts]] can be freely previewed in the [[Mann Co. Store]], all the [[Cosmetic_item|cosmetic]] videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|5}}There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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::It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated ''"properly,"'' this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is ''"interesting"'' is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::: I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
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:::: That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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:[https://drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE I've updated] the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in '''''changelog.txt'''''. Feel free to give them a glance! (''Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.'') [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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== Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project ==
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Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of [[User:Anonymus0|@Anonymus0]] decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably [[User:Yossef|Yossef]], to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.
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Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created.  Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:
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1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-JTrTQfCJY here]. 2nd map is called backup_final ''(keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim)'' and its demonstration video is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2gSuL8UeA here]. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQq4fRJy4U here]. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJu0naNRJNc here].
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The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map ''Wind tunnel'' is oldest/earliest one that I created, while ''tr_lol'' is my final one. As you can see, ''Wind tunnel'' and ''Backup final'' are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, '''much''' greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki.  Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: [[File:User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png|15px]] (Wind Tunnel), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png|15px]] (tr_karma), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png|15px]] (tr_lol)
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Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.
  
== Are there any other video recorders besides Wegame or Fraps? ==
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Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:
Wegames isn't working for me, as it won't record properly, and I can't spend money on Fraps. Any other alternatives? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 21:33, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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* '''Lack of proper bot programs''': It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
:[http://dxtory.com/ dxtory] maybe, but it's not free and haven't tried it. I used to use [http://taksi.sourceforge.net/ Taksi] years ago (very very long ago), it probably doesn't work with recent games though. Otherwise, this is the Internet, so I'm sure you can find ways around barriers — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:09, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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* '''No damage indicators''': Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.
::But if I use any other video recorder, is that allowed? Do I need to use the full version of fraps? --[[User:Enthers|Enthers]]. (''I find this work intriguing. How about yourself, sir?'') 22:35, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::you can find the cracked version of fraps , search on youtube make sure many peoples commented it's work. i'm also using the cracked version. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 06:48  , 17 June 2012 (PDT)
 
:::The only reason the full version of fraps is required is that it includes a watermark at the top of the video, which is unacceptable. Any screen recorder can be used, as long as no traits are left. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]]''' ([[User talk:Pigophone|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Pigophone|contribs]]) 07:23, 18 June 2012</small>
 
:I use [http://www.bandicam.com/ Bandicam] myself, works well. --[[User:Org|Org]] 22:40, 12 July 2012 (PDT)
 
You could try Unregistered Hypercam2. That always works fantastically.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 20:51, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:Doesn't it put that annoying watermark I see on a lot of youtube videos? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Kill-Assist Video Demonstration Request ==
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That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
I have no idea what should be shown, but at the moment there is only this:<br> [[File:Assist_demo.png|300px]] <br>, and that is not really a "fluent" Demonstration. So let's talk about that, shall we? [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 19:09, 26 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} This image is not from official map. We should do at least image or video. 08:40, 27 July 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} But not as part of the weapon demonstration project. Do your own video and maybe pass it by me if you want a QA check but use th article's talk page or PM me — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:10, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Strange Weapons ==
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:I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Just an idea I had, but would it be a good idea to demonstrate how strange weapons accumulate ranks? --[[User:Dattix|Dattix]] 16:38, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:Again not as part of the weapon demonstration project (although it is closely related). Feel free to use this talk page for that though because I'm not sure where else it'd be put — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:10, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::This would best be done as, say, the scattergun only. On the [[strange]] page. I don't know what you'd do, though. Show arbitrary ranks... show killcams... show the rank up...? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Defiant Spartan.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Griffin's Gog.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 20:45, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Mann vs Machine stats ==
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::As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Should something be added, or a separate set of videos be made, to display the different effects that different sappers have on the robots in MvM mode? I'm not sure how it would be done, but it's just a thought. [[User:Onyyx|Onyyx]] 05:18, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
 
:Someone [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration/Archive_32#Sapper talked] about this before<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:32, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
 
::It's an entirely valid point - I should've moved that discussion here when I archived anyways. I've changed the title to a more general topic - should we demonstrate MvM stats for weapons, and if so, how? Part of the normal video? A new series? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 06:21, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
IF we do start a new series with MVM, would we have to show upgrades and stuff? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 13:15, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
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:::I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Foxbot Foxbot] bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called ''waypoint tags'', and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command {{code|botsdontshoot}} ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing. While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like [https://youtu.be/4aBWMRW6rHo this]  
:To avoid redoing massive amounts of work, I think it shouldn't be in the regular videos. Perhaps a single video per class about MvM, or per class+slot (Scout primary, Scout secondary, etc.) Anyway, let's not worry about that until the main demos are done — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:56, 27 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Melee crit sounds ==
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:::Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command {{code|mp_respawn_time}} doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the {{code|botcam}} command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
Often when I make a clip for a melee weapon demonstration, I hear the crit sound . How can I make that not happen? [[User:Ben10508|Ben10508]] 16:29, 3 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:Try this <code>tf_weapon_criticals 0</code> [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 4:24  , 9/4/2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Spy Melee Makeover ==
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:::I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
Regarding the Spy's melee weapons, there seems to be some inconsistency in the demonstrations. Particularly in the clip showing the backstab range on the Medic, the player may or may not approach the back of the Medic or simply demonstrates "side-stabs". For consistency, I feel that it would be better if the player demonstrates the full 180 range of the backstab and end with the the side-stab rather than randomly approaching the back or entering from the side.
 
  
Additionally, since the Flamethrowers demonstrate the ability to detect cloaked or disguised Spies, it might be a good idea to demonstrate that the Spy will automatically raise his knife behind a disguised or cloaked enemy Spy.
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::::This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 03:04, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} Spies detecting other spies is something that I do agree on, and in the current demos, the backstab shot gives the wrong impression. [[User:Pigophone|Pigophone]] 03:29, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} Both good points, but perhaps should have made them in two separate topics — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:32, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Neutral}} Showing the full backstab angle would force us to show the spy before the tauntkill, and wind usually hisses and spits when I do that. Also, the only knife which doesn't approach from the back is the wanga prick - not exactly a widespread problem. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:48, 6 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::You could bind a key to teleport the Spy when needed, just before his spot is in sight~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:30, 9 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::Videos could be made like any other stock melee before showing the full backstab mechanic: kill Pyro, Soldier and Medic with normal slashes, tauntkill the Spy then make a full backstab demonstration on a single enemy in the center of the room.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 01:05, 7 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} I agree considering the angle is pretty wide and somewhat confusing: depending on the class model on one side you can almost facestab your victim, on the other you may fail the stab even if is shown part of his back.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 01:05, 7 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:{{c|Support}} on the disguise and cloak spy backstab because bleeding weapons and ignitable weapon show that, so why don't knives?
 
:And {{c|Neutral}} on show backstab angle because Armisael's reason. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 02:50, 7 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
Implemented (see [[#Actual Spy Melee Makeover|section above]])
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::::: Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the [https://apg-clan.org/vbdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=980/ Foxbot download site], it seems that a {{code|botdontmove}} command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
  
== Melee Makeover for Weapons that don't Randomly Crit? ==
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::::::Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I've noticed that the Melee Makeover only calls for remakes of videos that only do random crits. Shouldn't we demonstrate weapons that don't do random crits by using the Medic's Kritzkreig Uber? Just a thought. [[User:Bruss48|Bruss48]] 13:11, 14 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Demonstrations on the old map ==
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::::::: Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is ''a way'' to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for [[Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration#Chemistry Set|Chemistry set]], it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
It would appear that picking a single demonstration that was made on tr_target_weaponref, noting that the standards for the project have changed slightly, and reserving it is the popular thing to do. Could we, instead of haphazardly selecting these, make a decision to either redo them as a group (à la the makeover project, perhaps), or not redo them? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:31, 26 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: {{c|Support}} I don't speak for everyone, but I've got some spare time on my hands and it seems most of the old demos would be fairly easy to redo. -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 22:32, 26 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::I don't particularly care whether or not we redo them (most of the reasons for the redos seem to be for purely graphical reasons such as low light and bloodstains, which really don't matter in terms of viewer comprehension). I just don't want them to be redone in dribs and drabs by people who really only care about putting another notch on their belt. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 10:57, 27 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: {{c|Support}} as long as there's other reasons than "it uses the old map". Often there is, because all demonstrations done on the old map are necessarily old by now, created back when standards such as the acceptable framerate or audio quality were not what they were back then. That's why there is often more than one reason to redo it, and that's just fine. Still, I'd really appreciate it if people focused on '''demos that need to be redoing right now''' rather than going through old demos and marking them for redo — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
  
== Explanations? ==
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:::::::Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M8yjxNdOU] [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
:I'm not quite sure if this has been proposed before (not sure if it's exactly a good idea either, but just throwing it out there), but I was reviewing some of the demonstration videos, and I thought that some of the demonstration clips may be a bit unclear on what they're demonstrating, and was wondering if we can add annotations to explain them. I mean, a lot of weapons demonstrations are done very straightforward and very well done, but sometimes I think it would be a bit unclear as to what is being demonstrated, ''especially'' when you're demonstrating attributes to a weapon which isn't listed in the weapon description. This is particularly problematic to new players, or simply players new a weapon. I see in the comments in videos like combat mini-sentry and dead ringer that they don't understand what's being demonstrated in some clips.
 
:I'm not asking for a whole re-do of videos, I'm just suggesting to add annotations to videos, and I think it would help a lot. As to which videos need the annotations, I think we can further discuss.
 
:Please think through my humble suggestion. [[User:TFHK|TFHK]] 02:36, 28 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::The reason the videos use as little text or explanation as possible is because they're included not just on the english weapon pages, but on every other language as well. It wouldn't make sense to show annotations in English on a korean article. It's unavoidable to show a little text like the loadout view, because in order not to do that, we'd have to create one video per language per weapon, which is simply too much work for little benefit.
 
::What would perhaps be suitable is using YouTube's subtitles feature to show some text. On the Portal Wiki, where some walkthrough videos are captioned, we have subtitle translations in each language, and the ones that show up on the video depending on the language of the article you're reading. That way there's no confusion. However, those make sense only because they're actual subtitles. Using subtitles for non-subtitle purposes (explanation purposes) kind of goes against the name of the feature.
 
::At any rate, those would need to be translated, and the resulting overhead would be significant (need active translators in each language, need to reupload the subtitle files every time there's a new one, etc).
 
::It's true that the complexity of the game has increased to a point where explaining how a weapon works using exclusively visual means is getting harder. Still, I think it's worth trying to continue pulling it off — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:45, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
:::Point taken. I guess I was focusing on the perspective of a random YouTuber watching demonstration videos from the YouTube page, rather than a person browsing on the wiki and watching the embedded video on the website. I guess the fact that I see English everywhere on the YouTube page made me forget that there are people who play TF2 in other languages as well. (even I'm Chinese lol) [[User:TFHK|TFHK]] 21:14, 29 September 2012 (PDT)
 
I also notice in the comments that people often don't know what buttons are being pressed when an on-screen event happens (e.g. Building rotates, Spy switches disguise's weapon, Demo charges his Sticky Launcher, Heavy uses right and left fists, and various weapons' alt-fire abilities. Since button layouts do not need to be translated, perhaps this could be added. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 21:45, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
 
  
==Festive weapons==
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{{Outdent|8}}There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something ''is'' possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Since there are demonstrations of stock reskins like the frying pan,i thought that if this weapons are reskin of stock, i propose that it should be demonstrated like the stock reskins. [[User:Ian soldier2|Ian soldier2]] 16:40, 28 September 2012 (PDT)
 
: The Festive weapons aren't reskins, they're just the stock models with festive lights attached. I doubt anyone's going to lose sleep over wondering whether the Festive Rocket Launcher does something different from the normal Rocket Launcher. -- [[User:RagnarHomsar|Ragnar Homsar]] - ([[User_talk:RagnarHomsar|Talk]]) 16:47, 28 September 2012 (PDT)
 
::We discuss about [[Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration/Archive_27#Festive Weapons|this]] before. Just saying because it was discussion. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 16:55, 28 September 2012 (PDT)
 

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Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2

Hi there,
You now have to wait for WindPower to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.
My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.
It also lacks editing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
> he's very busy nowadays
You give me too much credit. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be
Fokuskii (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. God'sWrath (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. God'sWrath (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · Ashe (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The Strangifier demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Double click indeed does not work. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.
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Something Special For Someone Special Something Special For Someone Special (Tool)

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Old discussion (2019)

Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
It seems that the process is mostly the same as the Gift Wrap, but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. Naleksuh (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — Wind 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the Scout avatar (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use this. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?
Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-gameJomarcenter (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — Wind 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two accounts would be okay to reuse right?) Naleksuh (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.
The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) Naleksuh (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — Wind 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Mannpower Powerup King.png Mannpower powerups

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Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with dominations), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:
  • Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
  • Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
  • Switch to third-person mode.
  • Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
  • Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.

Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".

Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.

Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)

Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. Po1yb1ank (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Backpack Enchantment Eternaween.png Enchantment: Eternaween

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Fancy Spellbook Fancy Spellbook

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Fireproof Secret Diary Fireproof Secret Diary

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Kritz or Treat Canteen Kritz or Treat Canteen

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So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:

  • Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
    • The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
      • This part would repeat for each class
  • It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
  • After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done

However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:
RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video
  1. BLU player stands beside the intel point
  2. RED player captures the intel and win the game
  3. BLU player enters humiliation
  4. RED player look at the BLU player
  5. BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.
I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--AlexT 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Simply using thirdperson_mayamode it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest Thunder Mountain and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using mp_bonusroundtime to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up.
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Need to be redone

Huntsman Huntsman , Fortified Compound Fortified Compound

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Personally I would also full-charge bodyshot the Medic, as full-charge headshotting both the Medic and Sniper like in the existing demonstrations feels redundant.
Kibblekip (talk) 22:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Its probably just me, but I feel like the pacing of the first clip is too fast. Everything else looks good though.
Kibblekip T | C 23:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Could be, I had to redo it >11 times due to several factors, so at some point I might've just wanted to rush through it. I can easily redo.
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Its probably not necessary, but might be worth it anyway? Can't blame you if you did rush through after that many redos though, my condolences.
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Crusader's Crossbow Crusader's Crossbow

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I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. VideoThedop (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — Wind 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Second tryThedop (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — Wind 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
*sigh* Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) Jk6419 (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. Jk6419 (talk) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Holiday Punch Holiday Punch

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I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — Wind 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage
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  • Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
  • Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled
A few other ones that I am unsure about:
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
The tr_karma_rc1 map has water (see Sydney Sleeper demonstration here). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — Wind 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)

  • Do the same actions as was done in the original video

Part 2: Basic Interactions Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.

Part 2a:

  1. Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
  2. Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
  3. Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
  4. Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies

Part 2b:

  1. Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
  2. Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
  3. Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
  4. Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
  5. Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated

Part 2c:

  1. (This is where the new stuff begins) Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a friendly enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
  2. Attack the Scout from the front and behind
  3. Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
  4. Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
  5. Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic

Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy

  1. Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
  2. Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
  3. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
  4. Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
  5. Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
  6. Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
  7. Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
  8. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
  9. (This is where the new stuff begins) Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
  10. Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
  11. Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 4: Spy Interactions View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.

  1. Approach the enemy Spy
  2. Let the enemy Spy cloak
  3. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
  4. Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
  5. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.

Part 5: Taunts and Water

  1. Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
  2. While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
  3. Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
  4. The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
  5. Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 6: Robots

  1. Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
  2. Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Very detailed, nice. — Wind 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all Schadenfreude taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Power Up Canteen Power Up Canteen

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I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? Kaezle (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. Naleksuh (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Chargin' Targe Chargin' Targe , Tide Turner Tide Turner , and Splendid Screen Splendid Screen

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Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Pictogram tick.png Yes, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
  • Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
  • Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
  • Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
  • Mark for death, from Fan O'War
I think those are all. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that would all be good. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.
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Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).
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Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).
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Quick-Fix Quick-Fix

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Old reservation (29 April 2021)

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  1. (1:14/1:24) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
  2. (2:09/2:39) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock Medi Gun, while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and r_cleardecals, so it should look neat.
  3. (2:17/3:01) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
  4. (2:56/3:47) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
  5. (3:26/4:17) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
  6. (3:53/6:56) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
  7. (4:26/5:06) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock Medi Gun's overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
  8. (4:46/8:32) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.

Pictogram comment.png The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):

  1. (7:39) Demonstrating stock Medi Gun's Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
  2. (7:58) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.


I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU Exaskliri (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
  1. I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA Exaskliri (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. Exaskliri (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
  3. Just finished uploading re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.
  1. https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
  2. https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
Exaskliri (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · Ashe (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. Exaskliri (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Just uploaded the fixed version of the Quick-Fix demonstration video. Exaskliri (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:
  • Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
  • There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.

Wind 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. Exaskliri (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Alright. Can you upload the new version? — Wind 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg Kritzkrieg

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I think I'll take this one! Greenfox (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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GrampaSwood (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

sorry! Greenfox (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo? For one thing, this part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.
Kibblekip T | C 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
It's easier to just ask someone for help.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I am asking for help.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.
Kibblekip T | C 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
EDIT: Clarification, Badlands (Control Point) specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.
Kibblekip T | C 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Trading demonstration

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We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.

Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · Ashe (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

RED Teleporter.png Teleporters

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I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order: First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):

  • Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
  • Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
  • Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
  • Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).

Second clip:

  • Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).

Third clip (requires 2 people):

  • Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.

Fourth clip:

  • Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.

Fifth clip:

  • Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.

Sixth clip:

  • Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.

Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):

  • Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).

Optional extra clips: Eureka Effect clip:

  • Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.

Setup time clip:

  • Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.

If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters.
CheddarTalk 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Amputator Amputator

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I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Direct Hit Direct Hit

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Demonstration link

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I've wanted to contribute a weapon demonstration before and felt this was a good one to do, so I hope it is okay to reserve this for now while I prepare the clips and video. The weapon stats explicitly mentions it also mini-crits against targets launched airborne via the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster; would (either of) these be worth including alongside the rocket jumping Soldier airshot?
Kibblekip (talk) 10:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to suggest actually; given the other Soldier primary weapons also showcase airshot clips, I feel it would be reasonable to show a comparison between the stock and Direct Hit for this due to the Mini-Crit stat. Would it be best to only do it for the clip of the Direct Hit launching the enemy airborne, or for multiple (or none) of the clips.
Kibblekip (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
There's no need for the comparison imo, just a clip of an airshot is good. I also think it's also worth including the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster as they're specifically mentioned.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Trying to get the airshot clip ft. Grappling Hook wasn't working, and after a little searching I found out that Mannpower mode disabled (mini-)crits caused by being launched airborne in 2020, and the Direct Hit's weapon statistics were never updated to address that it does not work with Grappling Hooks anymore. I'm unsure if I should include the Grappling Hook in the demonstration or not due to this, though it may be good to add to the Bugs list on the weapon page regardless. This same issue exists for the Reserve Shooter as well.
Kibblekip (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I've uploaded the demonstration video; I've opted to include the Grappling Hook airshot anyway as it is explicitly mentioned in the weapon description. I've also included damage to buildings, as it is a common use case for the Direct Hit and felt was relevant to the demonstration.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Should also include an splash damage radius comparison between stock Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 00:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Felt like I had forgotten something, I even already had the clips for it! Updated demonstration link to add splash damage radius comparison.
Kibblekip (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The clip where a Demoman was shot mid-air first before the series of other interactions with blast/air conditions doesn't feel right. There seems to be no clip where Demoman launched himself with a stickybomb. I would perhaps use a Medic for this one, and/or add a separate clip with Demoman launching himself with a stickybomb. But that's just my personal feedback. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I did consider it initially, but felt it would be redundant as the stat is only listed vaguely as "launched airborne by explosions", and the first two airshot clips feel sufficient for that already.
Kibblekip T | C 20:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree with the first two airshot clips being sufficient. I think the building clip is unnecessary, as we don't show that for other damage bonus/penalty attributes. I'm also missing a clip of you rocket jumping and the effect the damage bonus has on your HP (or the lack thereof). Other than that, if the video gets approved it would be best if you also made a version without the Grappling Hook clip, and then also sent that over. That way if they ever fix the attribute we don't need to redo the whole video or edit it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I've posted an updated version removing the building destruction clips and added some rocket jump comparison clips (they can be seen near the end of the video, just before the airblasting clip).
Kibblekip T | C 02:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
@Kibblekip In the section where you compare the dmg radious, make it so the rocket launcher clip goes first and then the direct hit, so that it looks less confusing~. Also, idk about the grappling hook thing. It would be better to remove the clip. I'm pretty sure Valve at some point is going to remove that attribute from the direct hit · Ashe (talk) 17:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've removed the Grappling Hook clip and added a delay between the Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit clip, as I assume this is what you was asking for.
Kibblekip T | C 20:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thermal Thruster Thermal Thruster

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This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · Ashe (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Natascha Natascha

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Soda Popper Soda Popper

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show Hype build on disguised spies.
Demonstration link

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I'd also like to better indicate both the distance and height that can be achieved in separate clips, as I feel the original demonstation does not fully showcase the capabilities of the Soda Popper's Hype gauge in the last clip alone. Would it be good to also include Hype build on invisible Spies, or would only disguised Spies be necessary?
Kibblekip (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Something I only considered just before I got to video editing is that the Soda Popper's increased fire rate and reduced reload speed stats appear to be directly in reference to the FaN rather than the Scattergun, thoughts on including a comparison between the two? (probably side-by-side clips of shooting a Heavy, probably from far enough away that it doesn't trigger the FaN's knockback)
Kibblekip (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I would say compare it to the FaN's fire speed, ignore the scattergun, and if you're worried about knock back try and do it against the back wall of tr_karma.
CheddarTalk 19:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Just compare to all 3. Scattergun, Force-A-Nature, and Soda Popper in one clip. Also make sure to inspect the Force-A-Nature before starting the clip.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
If I do all three the HUD breaks due to the Soda Popper's 'Hype' HUD clipping over the health bar. Is there a way I'd be able to fix this? If not I'll only be able to compare two of them at once, to which I'd probably do the FaN and Soda Popper and ignore the Scattergun.
Kibblekip (talk) 10:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Unless you're using a custom HUD or playing in 4:3, the Hype meter shouldn't be anywhere near the health bar, instead it should be near the ammunition count. (You should use the default HUD + a 16:9 resolution, at least 1366x768 or 1600x900 when making demonstration videos) ♡ JupiterSphere ♡ ( ◡‿◡ *) ⊱✿⊰ Talk To Me! ⊱✿⊰ 11:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
This is unfortunately not an option if they need to compare 2 or 3 clips in one go.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Demonstration added. I used separate clips to show the Soda Popper's Hype gauge usage both for primarily horizontal and vertical movement separately, as I felt this gives a better idea of how it can be utilized.
Kibblekip (talk) 01:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. I think the initial clip doesn't need the Hype jumps, though. No need to redo for that.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Aye yeah, I mostly included that given it was in the existing demonstration; didn't know why it was in that either but felt it was safer to include just incase.
Kibblekip T | C 23:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I should have answered before. For the 3 clips section, please modify the huditemeffectmeter_sodapopper.res file and move the meter above the ammo. Now, this scene is kinda confusing, so make 2 scenes, in the first show only the increased firing speed (vs the scattergun) and in the second only the increased reload speed (vs the fan) · Ashe (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
As in have a scene with the Scattergun & Soda Popper (firing speed), a scene with the FaN & Soda Popper (reload speed), and then the three guns together like it is currently (aside from edited HUD)? Personally I feel the existing trio of clips gets the stat differences across reasonably enough, but if you feel it would be more appropriate to have them separated first I'll do that, sure.
Kibblekip T | C 19:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I've uploaded an updated version that showcases the firing speed and the reload speed separately, and re-did the 3 clips section to fix the HUD (and to not inspect the FaN, as it was already shown and inspected earlier). I hope this suffices.
Kibblekip T | C 22:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Remove the 3 clip section. It is no longer necessary · Ashe (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've updated the demonstration to remove said section.
Kibblekip T | C 20:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Widowmaker Widowmaker

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Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 17:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Ubersaw Ubersaw

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I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so Ashe will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Added updated ver. Myrmxa (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.
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Machina Machina , Shooting Star Shooting Star

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Machina Shooting Star

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Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. Andreng (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.
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Ap-Sap Ap-Sap , Snack Attack Snack Attack , Red-Tape Recorder Red-Tape Recorder

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Battery Canteens Battery Canteens

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Neon Annihilator Neon Annihilator

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Demonstration link

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I've added an additional clip showing damage vs players being lower. I added a clip of the Jarate + Gas Passer too. In the Sniper clip in the sewers I also show that the Neon Annihilator changes to a damaged state. I'm also concerned about the third and second to last clips having a bit of a fast transition to the next clip. Otherwise, it should be good. Also note that Cheddar played the Engineer and had trouble getting out of the water.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

The old version of the Engineer wetness clips with the outdoor lakes seemed to work better with smoothness of the comparisons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I think that's simply because of how awkward one of the clips is about getting out of the water. I can definitely improve it if needed.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
I think it is worth redoing the clips. Preferably, I think the water should be that pond like in the other Neon Annihilation video. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't know which map that was on, I have a feeling it is Watchtower, though. I think I can redo the clip just fine on tr_karma, but with a smoother exit from the water.
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Unleashed Rage Unleashed Rage

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Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Unusualifier Unusualifier

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Demonstration link

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I've matched the sound and everything up to the old one, the only noticeable thing is maybe a jump in background ambience as tr_target_weaponref_hdr uses a different ambience. I can re-record on there if necessary.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Classic Classic

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Pictogram comment.png Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]
Pictogram comment.png Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.

Pictogram comment.png Status: No demonstration submitted

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)

Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in the current video.

  1. Inspect the rifle
  2. Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
  3. Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
  4. Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
  5. Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
  6. Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
  7. Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
  8. Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
  9. Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
  10. Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
  11. Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
  12. Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
  13. Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
  14. Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
  15. Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
  16. Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
  17. Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
  18. Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
  19. Taunt.

Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1

Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.

  1. Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
  2. Move forward to the garage door.

Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2

Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.

  1. Begin charging the right-hand side.
  2. For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
  3. Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.

Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling

Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.

  1. Aim straight.
  2. Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
  3. Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
  4. Scope and jump.
  5. Unscope the Classic.
  6. Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  7. Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  8. Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.

Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.

  1. Charge the Classic.
  2. Fall while still charging.
  3. Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.

Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.

  1. Charge the Classic.
  2. Fall while still charging.
  3. Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.

Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".

  1. Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
  2. Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)

Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.

(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)

  1. Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
  2. Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.

There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Reserve Shooter Reserve Shooter

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.

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Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
Kibblekip T | C 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Time Out Therapy Time Out Therapy

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Pictogram comment.png Materials were updated on September 16, 2021 Patch and the mug is now team-colored, the cross is red or blue.
Demonstration link

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Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Battin' A Thousand Battin' A Thousand

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Pictogram comment.png Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.

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Meet the Medic (taunt) Meet the Medic (taunt)

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Pictogram comment.png Show the taunt with all of the mediguns similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.
Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 21:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Southern Hospitality Southern Hospitality

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Pictogram comment.png Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

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Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).
Kibblekip T | C 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Invis Watch Invis Watch , Cloak and Dagger Cloak and Dagger

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Quäckenbirdt Quäckenbirdt

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.

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While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.
Kibblekip T | C 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Warrior's Spirit Warrior's Spirit

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Team Fortress Classic

TFC Crowbar.PNGCrowbar (Classic) Crowbar (Classic)

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Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate damage and maximum range

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TFC p nailgun.pngNailgun (Classic) Nailgun (Classic)

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Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil

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Questions and Proposals

Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the Need to be Redone section above and it will be dealt with.

Item icon Voodoo-Cursed Heavy Soul.png Zombie Infection Zombies

Pictogram comment.png Zombies have different abillities than normal players.

Hello, I am Slimyboi500. I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.

Why, you may ask? Unlike normal gamemodes, the BLU team (or in this case, the zombies), have different abillities than normal:

They also have different effects, like different amounts of health and speed. The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.

Let me know if it's a good idea or not.


Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities. I feel like it would be a good idea. Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Still, is that a yes on the idea?
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. Profiteer was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the backlog...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — Tark 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at leastProfiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH

When Saxton Hale used Flippin' Awesome or Skullcracker, the other mercenary participating the taunt will be taunt killed, is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --AlexT 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Configs for partner taunt demonstrations

I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

New tr_karma and requirements

I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:

  • Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
  • Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
  • Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
  • Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
  • Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
  • Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
  • Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB

The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are here. Check them out and give feedback · Ashe (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event

When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It works fine on my end.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · Ashe (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · Ashe (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about 2D and 3D player models

A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · Ashe (talk) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mastercomfig question

I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Closed Captions/Subtitles

Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the pomson video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.

Looking at youtube supported formats I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found this open source editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing. - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.

On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. Subtitle editor permissions exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000 Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software aegisub and a corresponding converter app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an example for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me days. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video (c this video - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — Tark 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an API. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

  • Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
  • Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
  • Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
  • Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
  • Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
  • Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

  • Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
  • Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
  • Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
  • King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
  • MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
  • Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
  • Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
  • Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
  • Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Pictogram minus.png Con My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the "Obtaining Achievements" type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, Steam Achievement Manager is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are "too basic," this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: weapons can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, taunts can be freely previewed in the Mann Co. Store, all the cosmetic videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated "properly," this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is "interesting" is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — Tark 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I've updated the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in changelog.txt. Feel free to give them a glance! (Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.) $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)


Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project

Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of @Anonymus0 decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably Yossef, to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.

Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created. Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:

1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found here. 2nd map is called backup_final (keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim) and its demonstration video is here. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see here. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found here. The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map Wind tunnel is oldest/earliest one that I created, while tr_lol is my final one. As you can see, Wind tunnel and Backup final are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, much greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki. Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png (Wind Tunnel), User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png (tr_karma), User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png (tr_lol)

Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.

Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:

  • Lack of proper bot programs: It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
  • No damage indicators: Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.

That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work.
CheddarTalk 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the Foxbot bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called waypoint tags, and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command botsdontshoot ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing. While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like this
Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command mp_respawn_time doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the botcam command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the Foxbot download site, it seems that a botdontmove command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is a way to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for Chemistry set, it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [1] Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something is possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)