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Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be
 
Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be
 
What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2
 
What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2
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::Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:::Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:::Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The [[Strangifier]] demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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:I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure if this one is necessary [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 9:12 PM 8/24/2014 (PDT)
 
::Nah, probably not unless someone just happens to run upon that item — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:59, 27 October 2014 (PDT)
 
  
Question: Do I need to show I, person giving the premium gift, receive the professor speks?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 11:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
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::A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, that's part of the item's effects. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
I have brought the premium gift to another account, the only issue is that the professor speks is already on my TF2 account, so I would need a third account to receive the speks (while already having premium). It may take a while longer but if anyone else wants to give a crack at it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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::::Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Double click [https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5216 indeed does not work]. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
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:::::For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
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:::::If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
 
Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
 
<br>Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
 
<br>Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
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::: The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::: The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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:I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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:: I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
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== [[File:Mannpower Powerup King.png|16px|link=Mannpower]] [[Mannpower]] powerups ==
 
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Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with [[Domination|dominations]]), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 
Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with [[Domination|dominations]]), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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:I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
  
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I don't think it's very needed, but since it seems very simple, I can do it · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Won't you need another person since they are only delivered to players while playing on a server? [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 08:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
::To add on, maybe have it filmed from the perspective of the gift being sent, and have the perspective of the recipient? [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 08:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::I could help with this one, I can do most days after 22:00 CEST [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 15:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
::::@Po1yb1ank we appreciate your enthusiasm, but before doing this, please complete the KGB video first. I can wait · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::Sure thing, I've just been trying to edit it and the fist bump videos, expect them both in the coming days. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 21:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 
  
::::::I might delay doing the KGB taunt until the new year, I was going through the files and all of them have bots dropping the Smissmas presents, so expect the KGB to be completed later than expected. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 13:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|6}} I'm still up for making this demonstration, I would need a lovely assistant to help out with it. [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 18:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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:IF you still need an assist I could help some time just let me know [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 23:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Yeah still need a hand with it, the only problem is getting a way to join one another because using create server won't make it joinable, I think there some other stuff you gotta do.<br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 07:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: pretty sure You should be able to use https://na.serveme.tf/ to temporarily rent a server. That's what a lot of the competitive teams use for matches. If that doesn't work I could ask around and know a few people that might have their own servers we could borrow [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 08:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 
  
 
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Suggestion: Use {{cvar|tf_test_spellindex}} to always get a specific spell · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 
  
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== [[File:Heavyhumiliation.png|16px|link=Match outcomes]] [[Match outcomes]] ==
 
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So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:
 
So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:
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::::I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 
::::I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUcrw2Dpzh4 Demonstration video] [[User:Danimations|Danimations]] ([[User talk:Danimations|talk]]) 3:08, 20 December 2020 (CST)
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:2. Overall it seems like the demonstration was very unorganised, it looks like you're running all over the place instead of having a plan of what you're doing.
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:3. It appears your quality settings are too low, as (even at 1080p) it looks quite low quality compared to other demonstrations (Specifically it looks a lot like AA is very low).
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:4. The HUD should not have "contracts available/inactive", and it should not have the top HUD element either.
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:5. The bot's name should use the consistent "Friendly [classname]" pattern (Unless it's an enemy).
 
:6. It looks like there is blood on a box on the left, this is not there by default and should be removed using <code>r_cleardecals</code>.
 
:7. It appears you're missing a texture/several textures, the windows are tinted purple (Which does not happen normally), the settings room at the top at ~0:39 shows this very clearly.
 
:8. You're using minimised viewmodels, which is never used in demonstrations (Which is a consistency thing).
 
:I've ordered these from most important to least important.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 
Is this good? (I'm getting to other classes but I just wanna make sure I dont mess up.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyQb_JRGogQ [[User:Danimations|Danimations]] ([[User talk:Danimations|talk]]) 21:51, 20 December 2020 (CST)
 
  
: 1. It's still with a low AA
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Personally I would also full-charge bodyshot the Medic, as full-charge headshotting both the Medic and Sniper like in the existing demonstrations feels redundant.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 22:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
: 2. You should focus also the teammate and the enemy when taunting, only from the right
 
: 3. You must wait a few seconds before start to moving
 
: 4. The backpack scene is a bit long
 
: 5. Between scenes, you need to wait a bit.
 
: 6. As Grampaswood said, you need to organize what will you do. The "cannot taunt in these situations" scene is unorganized.
 
: See the video demostrations from the other partner taunts, like [[High Five]]
 
: And, please use the colons (":") when you write your reply · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 
  
: Pretty much what Ashe said. Also do note that demonstration involve a lot of doing everything over and over again, and can be very tiring at times but you'll get there in the end.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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:Its probably just me, but I feel like the pacing of the first clip is too fast. Everything else looks good though.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 23:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:Hi there and thanks for the demonstration video. All of the above is good feedback. I'd add that the audio was a bit crackling in the first version (some voice lines seem to have a gap in their playback), seems fixed in the second version though. Not sure if you've changed anything, but if not, then it's probably a random occurence to watch out for in future versions. I agree with the approach of iterating with just one class until that version is perfect, then moving on to adding the other classes. Good luck :) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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::Could be, I had to redo it >11 times due to several factors, so at some point I might've just wanted to rush through it. I can easily redo.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:3rd times the charm right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfNzFf6ptHA (P.S if there are any audio issues they're just rendering issues that I can fix later.)[[User:Danimations|Danimations]] ([[User talk:Danimations|talk]]) 22:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::Its ''probably'' not necessary, but might be worth it anyway? Can't blame you if you did rush through after that many redos though, my condolences.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
:: 1. You forgot to disable the team status display. 2. The "cannot taunt in these situations" is a '''bit''' short. 2.1. Preferably, for the "You are too high for any..." scene, do it in the spawn spot under the red fan (those wooden tables with the red lights). Otherwise, is okay<br>And, please use colons ("''':'''") when you write your reply · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 22:48, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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: Same as usual, audio issues will be fixed later if any. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqYmUOcarFE ·  [[User:Danimations|Danimations]] ([[User talk:Danimations|talk]]) 01:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
: I suppose I'll do all the other classes. · [[User:Danimations|Danimations]] ([[User talk:Danimations|talk]]) 15:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 
::Looks good, just needs the other classes. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/18xggfcO_Ags6AS-uJdOf8EEamqfMIdcK/view?usp=sharing Download link]. It's been 2 years, I think it's safe to say that I can take this one over.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:2 taunts per bot is too much. Please just do it once. If you want to showcase both sides of the taunt, use one bot per side, preferably right for the blu bot since it's the one with more space · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FiA8UxqnY5jqfTYNwRyL-0woxTqSNlNs/view?usp=sharing Video Download]. Sorry this has taken so long, I had to rerecord and re-edit it as I had accidently left on the "contracts available" hud option, I'm new to this so if there are any issues then please tell me and I can correct them at my earliest convenience, thanks :D  [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 10:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
:The Loadout views appear to be missing the start of the taunt, make sure to start the Loadout section right when you equip the taunt. It also doesn't need to fade in, just starting as-is is fine. Your settings also don't appear to be the max, particularly the anti-aliasing and maybe the model settings too, be sure to turn everything up to max. Make sure to leave some time between clips, for example the end of the Soldier section to the start of the Pyro section, as well as the Pyro loadout view to the in-game view is very fast. These are not the only instances, though. When a clip starts, try just standing still for a bit, then start moving. When you finish doing the last taunt, simply stand still for a bit. Sometimes you also move immediately after the taunt with the friendly class, try standing still a little bit and then start moving. Try to also show the taunts from the best angle (usually from the side, looking down a bit).
 
 
 
:You can start the clips in front of the barrier if you want, IIRC the config I provided puts you in front of it already. The Spy section seems to miss voice lines too and the ending fade-out is a bit too fast.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:: My settings are at max apart from anti-aliasing (thanks for pointing that out) and spy just didn't say his lines in the 3 minutes of footage I had recorded but I'll see to correcting the rest. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 22:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:::@Po1yb1ank If you are going to upload a new link, don't replace the old one. Also, the video is private and I can't access it · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 
::::I'm editing the next one and I have reinstated the link. However I have more things to attend to personally at the moment so it will probably be a few days. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 01:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:How about this one? Anything need changed? https://youtu.be/Xi_PSpJsL8k [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 02:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::At the start you can hear the equip sound from clicking the taunt from before the clip is even visible. Start in front of the class rather than behind the barrier, the crosshair can also stay visible. When showing off the animation, do a quick spin around it using the spin bind from the [[Team Fortress Wiki:Weapon Demonstration|main page]], rather than just looking at the side. Some more time between actions would also be nice, for example when doing the taunt with the enemy in the Scout clip, wait a bit before moving to the wall. Best to also re-record to immediately make the jump on the barrier.
 
::The transition after jumping on the barrier could also be delayed more, as there's not enough time to read it all. In the Soldier loadout, might be best to let him do 2 loops because currently it cuts off quite abruptly. It's also not necessary to show off the "There is something in your way" and "You are too high up" messages twice. The BLU Pyro also teleports, it's fine if they teleport a little bit but this is a very large distance. The adjusting in front of the RED Pyro also looks very awkward. Make sure to keep the angles consistent (either from the right or left only, maybe do the BLU one from the left and the RED one from the right?). The Sniper and Spy intros aren't cut correctly and show part of the inventory (the Sniper clip also suffers from the big teleport). The sound of the actual clip should also fade out together with the ending noise reel as you can still hear the ambience at the end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kgIjlbZ3NnD5vopxbZpTefsrPkBIer7q/view?usp=drive_link Here's v2] <font color="ff66cc">[[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User_Mediarch_Archimedes_PFP.png|25px|link=User:Mediarch]] ♥ [[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']] ♥ [[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']]</font> 01:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I think the music may be a bit too loud, as the noise from the reel is quite loud. For future demos: it's not necessary to cancel the taunt before making the other class taunt, simply spinning > taunting should be fine. You seem to look at the ground a lot too when starting, though you don't have to redo it for this reason imo, just note that in the future just looking straight ahead is best. Spies should also ideally hold the Revolver instead of the Knife.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Head Doctor}} ==
 
[[User:Decimate|Decimate]] created a demonstration for this [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1syN2LGwTdHWBNSE9jTiMbyd7M_-jYheW/view?usp=sharing here]. Seems like it was archived before being actually uploaded.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:I completely forgot lol. Thanks for the heads up · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
= Need to be redone=
 
== {{Demo Header|Axtinguisher}} ==
 
{{c|Updated attribute (removed Sketchek references)}}
 
 
 
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3io0y4iiBsM Is this good?] Let me know if you like it and i'll do it again for the postal pumeller. Upload link is [https://mega.nz/#!NWghEarS!K1CqAOkKpGcc9yIcZGcfyQJQ9oYUbjsDH9yRvgNZtt4 here]. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:The framerate is very low, maybe try to reduce your video settings. - [[User:Thedop|Thedop]]  17:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC+1)
 
::It's 30fps, how is that "very low"? windpower was okay with 30fps before. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Well, maybe it's just me. - [[User:Thedop|Thedop]]  08:40, 23 April 2019 (UTC+1)
 
::::I agree with [[User:Thedop|Thedop]]. The demonstration itself is very good, but the framerate is low which makes it look very choppy. That's my two cents at least [[User:Zeklyn|Zeklyn]] ([[User talk:Zeklyn|talk]]) 06:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::i dont know if i have the raw video files anymore but i might try exporting in a higher fps [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 15:49, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::A video might be 30 frames per second, but what matters is the number of *distinct* frames per second. If a video has 30 frames per second and every set of 3 frames is identical, then it may be technically 30 frames per second, but to the eye it's actually just 10 frames per second.
 
::::::This video is definitely in the "too low framerate" category; if you're not convinced of that, compare the Axtinguisher swing animation in 0.25x speed on your video vs [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyxKPRuR2D8 the current video] and count the number of unique frames of the swing animation that you can see. You can actually count them in your video, which means it's too low framerate.
 
::::::Also, the fade in/out of the 3-way split-screen has [https://i.imgur.com/Ve0qUTY.jpg overlapping clips], i.e. each clip is transparently bleeding into each other. One easy way to solve this is to render a separate video with the 3-way split-screen rendered with no fades at high quality, then import that video as a single clip into the main video, and add the fades there.
 
::::::Lastly, please add a second or so after the 3-way split-screen clip, as it currently ends before the last damage number finishes scrolling off. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
I have a question before doing this one:
 
Should I show off that even players immune to afterburn (Pyros/Danger Shield Sniper)? Like on a Pyro being actively burned can still get hit with the Mini-Crit (Its damage is based off of afterburn, if Pyros are immune to afterburn some people may think it means there is no damage bonus). If yes, can I do it with the Degreaser for faster switch speed or have a secondary Pyro ready?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 18:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Sure, sounds useful to show. I think showing it on the Pyro is enough. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::Video done, just have to edit it.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fHLSZpRQ4ydyKYEQcxXbcVayxMKDX_PR/view?usp=sharing Here's the Axtinguisher] [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 23:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fIjjdKLHWE6rwlGiadLDvODI9EGRAv43/view?usp=sharing Here's the Mailbox] [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 23:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:It seems like you left the combattext batching setting on, which makes it add up all the damage. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 
  
 
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I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. [https://youtu.be/Ssaodg-dl7g Video] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. [https://youtu.be/Ssaodg-dl7g Video] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::::: Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 
::::::: Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
  
== {{Demo Header|Dalokohs Bar}} ==
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I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
 
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{{c|The model now included the bite mark, the plate model added}}
 
 
 
As mentioned on the weapon's page, the overheal bug is still effective since JI and i'm not sure if it's temporary or not.  - '''[[User:Thedop|Thedop]]''' 19:11, 20 Obtober 2018 (UTC+1)
 
:Got this video finished, just need 1 more scene with Thedop.
 
:Edit on 27/6/2020: Same thing applies<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
::The video files are on a different PC now, so unlikely I'll ever bother to retrieve them. Someone else can do them at some point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
A demonstration of the Dalokohs bar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8lOulgqmZ4
 
'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 23:01, 1 December 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
::In the loadout scene the heavy is not holding the chocolate. You could also increase the volume by 50%. Everything else is good · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Enforcer}} ==
 
Note: Future redos won't have to do as many status effect clips as the previous video. - '''[[User:Thedop|Thedop]]''' 19:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC+1)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Fishcake}} ==
 
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See [[#Dalokohs Bar|Dalokohs Bar]]. - '''[[User:Thedop|Thedop]]''' 10:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC+1)
 
:Got this video finished, just need 1 more scene with Thedop.
 
:Edit on 27/6/2020: Same thing applies<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:12, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
Here is my version of the Fishcake weapon demonstration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym8r-gSEm10 - '''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 4:46, 25 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
:You don't need to spin the Heavy around in the Loadout menu, simply hover over the weapon then press escape once you feel like the viewer has had enough time to read the description. When the Soldier fires, you are also getting healed by the Medic at the same time. There is a command to only have bots with a specific weapon fire, not sure what the parameter for the Rocket Launcher is, but using that command bound to a key would be better as it wouldn't temporarily have you healed by the Medic. Alternatively, try to stand in a position where the Medic won't hit you when he heals.
 
 
 
:It seems like the clip for dropping the Fishcake on the ground is missing, it's meant to demonstrate that picking it up yourself while injured doesn't heal you. It's also not necessary to use voice lines, no need to yell for Medic or say thanks. Although a nice touch, it makes the video feel more like a cartoonish animation video than a demonstration. When the clip with the Medic starts, ideally you would have an unbitten Fishcake, and when the clip of the Soldier starts ideally you'd have max ammo (so 4 loaded, 20 reserve). When killing the Heavy, make sure your hit/killsound is off and that you look at the ammo pack he drops before walking over it. Currently, it looks like walking over a dropped Fishcake gives you health. Also a minor nitpick, friendly classes should be called "Friendly Classname". So rather than "Medic", it should be "Friendly Medic".
 
: I like the inspect after eating it, that's not smth that's been done before IIRC but it's a nice touch.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Thanks for the verifications, I'll make sure to fix all of these issues. And I do too think it's worth inspecting the item after eating it, especially with how the fishcake never had a bit model before.
 
::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 12:14, 28 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
::Here is the new version of the Fishcake weapon demonstration with the suggested changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md1n6ei8Z1M
 
::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 14:48, 28 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
:::In the loadout menu, your mouse should be over the Fishcake the entire time (this can be easily fixed, it only requires editing so no entire redo). The only thing that's missing is a clip of the Medic being on fire and being extinguished (you can skip the Medic walking over it, you can just make it so the Medic is on fire and then you throw it directly at him. Otherwise it requires 2 players). Other than that, it looks good to me, especially the transition between the first clip and the second clip. That must have taken a long time to set up, though do note that it's not entirely necessary if you do feel like it's too much effort, so don't worry about doing that each transition.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Here is the new version of the Fishcake weapon demonstration with the new changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnrRS-ihbY
 
:::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 21:22, 29 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
::::Yeah looks good, although I swear in previous clips you were damaged when you picked up the Fishcake that was dropped on the floor. If you are going to re-record that, perhaps reload your Rocket Launcher beforehand to make sure it shows you get healed but no ammo. It also doesn't show off the Scout's 25 extra HP from dropped lunchbox items.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::Added the reload for Soldier and the scout scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHJxhkDWxQ
 
::::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 23:42, 29 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
::::I just realised I forgot to disable the Killsound again, I’ll have to modify that
 
::::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 12:12, 30 November 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
::::New revision with no killsounds https://youtu.be/tOotHamBl2s
 
::::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 00:45, 1 December 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
:::::Seems like you're not injured during the clips where you kill the Heavy, other than that I don't see any issues.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::Final edit of the Fishcake Demonstration video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVlybWCIf4
 
::::::'''[[User:Wimmer|Wimmer]]''' 22:06, 1 December 2023 (GMT+1)
 
 
 
{{Outdent|6}}Looks good to me.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:Looks good. Send the link· [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Gloves of Running Urgently}} ==
 
 
 
{{c|Show the hidden (?) functionality with Dalakohs Bar/Fishcake.}}
 
 
 
{{c|Have a section dedicated to see if it's faster to run with the GRU at a certain point + eating the Dalokhs vs. not using the GRU.}}
 
 
 
GRU has a hidden (?) functionality with the chocolate bar which can regenerate all the health lost upon eating. Not shown on the demonstration video, should it be? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvV_CnCpezo Video about the functionality]. I am also not sure if this should be a thing on the Daloks/Fishcake video or GRU (or both). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 14:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 
:It's most likely a glitch and not intended. Yes, it's been out since forever, but so are other glitches out there, and these videos typically don't demonstrate these, in order to avoid a redo in case valve ever fixes them (lol, I know). — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 
  
 
== {{Demo Header|Holiday Punch}} ==
 
== {{Demo Header|Holiday Punch}} ==
{{c|Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.}}
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I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 
I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 
::::On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 
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== {{Demo Header|Market Gardener}} ==
 
{{c|Missing comparison of firing speed penalty}}<br>
 
Pretty high priority as it doesn't show off essentially half of the stats that can be shown off on this weapon.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/11yZlyToSY1hclTh6C4fXcyhbo60T1XHW/view?usp=sharing Here's] the video, feedback needed! <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Loadout screen time could be shorter, seems to be a 30 FPS video too? In the clip with the Demo and Soldier you should probably jump higher for the Demo jump. For the Demo sticky jump I would recommend hitting him on the way down instead.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::As far as I'm aware Google Drive previews are in 30fps regardless of if you upload a 60fps video. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 23:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:::In the first scene, wait a bit more after killing the pyro, and when killing the medic, don't look up so abruptly and make a smaller jump (jump but don't crouch) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::Probably should have responded to this sooner, my bad but I unclaimed this one for the time being, I will give it another shot when the other demos are sorted. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 18:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t18Dvquo-LJHqYHsyn6-zC70GiC2mgm2/view?usp=sharing Here's] a new version! <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 19:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::::I would leave a little bit more time between hitting the Soldier in the crit clip and actually going for the rocket jump, should probably swing a bit earlier with the Demoman part of that clip. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p2xBM57qElJz_gp4VsUAt2nHOROKUEzH/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version!<br> [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 17:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::::::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Original}} ==
 
{{Reservation|[[User:MudkipOnYT|MudkipOnYT]] ([[User talk:MudkipOnYT|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
Old Reservation (5th January 2024)
 
 
 
{{c|Missing new reload sound}}
 
I'd say this is an incredibly low priority one, may not even be worth redoing.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
 
I hope I've done this correctly, I am just beginning to get to work setting up to film my demonstration — [[User:MudkipOnYT|MudkipOnYT]] ([[User talk:MudkipOnYT|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AFvw7WW2T2ND179t1MBsemdeGDrhApZV/view?usp=share_link Here is the link] to my finished demonstration, I noticed other users who uploaded to Google Drive being told by the Moderators that their videos were in 30FPS. This one is at 60FPS, it just doesn't play at 60FPS in the Google Drive embedded player, it must be downloaded. Awaiting feedback! — [[User:MudkipOnYT|MudkipOnYT]] ([[User talk:MudkipOnYT|talk]]) 12:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 
  
 
== {{Demo Header|Power Up Canteen}} ==
 
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I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? [[User:Kaezle|Kaezle]] ([[User talk:Kaezle|talk]]) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 
I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? [[User:Kaezle|Kaezle]] ([[User talk:Kaezle|talk]]) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 
: If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 
: If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 
::I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Sandvich}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Chargin' Targe}}, {{Demo Header|Tide Turner}}, and {{Demo Header|Splendid Screen}} ==
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Hinaomi recommended this, so might as well try it. I would be up to make it if it's a valid reason [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 12:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Not sure I follow. You mean that picking up a dropped plate restocks the sandvich? That's already demonstrated... — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Show that picking up a sandvich that's dropped via mouse2 doesn't heal.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 05:30, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::Oh OK, yeah. Might replace the existing pickup from full health then, so that it doesn't make the clip longer. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::Sure. Yes, please replace the existing pickup. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Just talked on the IRC channel today ([https://irc.biringa.com/channel/tfwiki/2022-04-18.html#07-53-57 log]) and GrampaSwood willingly relinquished the reservation for me. I am gonna focus on my reservations first, though. — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>(they/them)</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 15:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Hitman's Heatmaker}} ==
 
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My submission (Video: H.264 / AVC; CRF: 20; Audio: AAC - 320 kbps):
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=7 0:07]) Basics. I shot Pyro with unscoped shots and uncharged scoped shots, Soldier with fully charged shots, and Medic with half-charged shots while Focused (activated at 2/3 of the meter).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=61 1:01]) Bodyshot damage at 0% charge (40 damage), around 60% charge (80 damage), and 100% charge (120 damage). Getting 80 damage was so damn hard :(
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=69 1:09]) Same as no. 2 above, but on headshot (150, 300, and 450 damage respectively).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=78 1:18]) Running speed when scoped and not scoped (as well as running immediately after firing a scoped shot).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=93 1:33]) Filling the "Focus" meter via kills. Can gain "Focus" with weapons other than the Hitman's Heatmaker and whether or not the "Focus" is active. Focus activated at 100% and filling the meter fully produces a laser-like sound.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=147 2:27]) Same as no. 5, but via assists.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=173 2:53]) -20% damage on bodyshot (and unscoped shots). Also, Focus does nothing but firing tracer rounds on unscoped shots.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=188 3:08]) Focus does not unscope when firing scoped shots (you can still unscope manually). Done at 0% charge and on bodyshot (-20% damage appplies).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=203 3:23]) Same as no. 8, but on headshot (no damage reduction). Sorry if the timing's a bit off, since the game doesn't allow quickscope headshots, so you can't just hold the primary fire button unless if you are Focused.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q?t=216 3:36]) Same as no. 8, but at 100% charge, done 3 times.
 
 
 
Links:
 
# https://youtu.be/Ekgu5vMF31Q
 
# https://www.mediafire.com/file/d8d9zr7mlcw5ai9/Hitman%2527s_Heatmaker_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
 
 
 
[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 02:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Ugh. Forgot damage against buildings (-20% damage on '' body''shot doesn't apply, and no focus gained on building destroyed)
 
[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 16:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Yes, please add that. Another cool clip to add might be one from a third-person perspective while the Sniper is in focus mode, to show the third-person reloading animation and the shooting beam. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 
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Holy heck. The thirdperson command does not ignore scope when scoped in (which always follows the first-person camera). I cannot do the third-person perspective thing (per Wind's request in the collapsed reservation). — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>(they/them)</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 15:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 
:Hm, perhaps record from a different player's perspective then? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 
 
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/137XNta0jqdWovWiCAqAR6DnlMZ9uvPrr/view?usp=sharing Here's] the video, feedback needed!<br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 14:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Looks good. Perhaps include a clip that shows the damage penalty doesn't apply to buildings.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I23X8zyySjTnYBnqvnpxmGJdWVDJmkyw/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version! <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 18:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::::Before uploading, please give your opinion on this: If you shot fast enough, a headshot won't have enough charge to be a crit, but it will be a headshot, and it will do 50 dmg instead of 40. This may be a bit niche, so, do you think you should add this to the demonstration? @Cheddar · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 00:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::Yeah I can include that, I can also put on the body shot comparison to stock as well while I'm at it <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 14:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
{{Outdent}} [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uaYO9mQBk0A7OiEaeoyO-Ws5XXNFLWsj/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version! <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 14:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:I think the procedure should be this: noscope to the body, noscope to the head, quickscope to the body, and quickscope to the head 2 times · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yK-tfUaua8W0cqArVZKxWpe26-u2Mj3Z/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 17:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::The first portion isn't quite the "noscope to the body, noscope to the head, quickscope to the body". I believe the one for The Classic does a demonstration on how the first two steps operated against the introduction Pyro. For the Heavy with that bodyshot/headshot + noscope/scope demonstration, you had nailed that part. For the last scene, perhaps it could be tried again because that ammo pack just swung to the Sniper, which didn't make sense in the comparison because the right-hand Hitman's demonstration didn't show that ammo pack swinging into the Sniper to collect extra ammo whereas the left-hand Sniper Rifle demonstration did. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 05:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah I agree with that · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vJAfugjyUnKU-ivtXrPE2S3D8EgXRfw0/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 16:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Self-Aware Beauty Mark}} ==
 
{{Reservation|[[User:KingK|KingK]] ([[User talk:KingK|talk]]) 04:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
{{c|Updated description. (Also handy for putting out a fire)}}
 
 
 
{{c|Extinguish an ally reduces the cooldown by 20%}}
 
 
 
[https://imgur.com/a/4bwI65r A funny bug] but i think i better waiting for Valve to fix it. - '''[[User:Thedop|Thedop]]''' 10:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC+1)
 
 
 
Hey there, I decided I'd help out on this
 
Hopefully around Jan 8-9 would be where I have everything for this demonstration. [[User:KingK|KingK]] ([[User talk:KingK|talk]]) 04:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
Alright I got it all right here.
 
 
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1TOt4zxiw Video]
 
- [[User:KingK|KingK]] ([[User talk:KingK|talk]]) 03:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Seems like your graphics settings aren't on the max, the windows on tr_karma also seem to be bugged. For the first clip, your kill sound should be turned off. For the second clip, make sure to switch all the bots back to the Shotgun. For the third clip, the clip is quite laggy and the sound suddenly increases halfway through. Fourth clip looks fine, albeit with some quality issues as mentioned before. For the first Spy clip, make sure to wait until he's fully invisible to throw the Jarate on him. Splitting up the cloaked and disguised Spy clip like this is better imo, rather than having it be one clip like the original. In the clip where you extinguish 3 teammates, it's fine to just use a single Heavy for that rather than 3 teammates. Maybe 3 clips at the same time would also be suitable for this: one to show off no extinguish, one to show off 1 extinguish, and one to show off extinguishing 2 teammates. It would show that 1 ally extinguished and 2 allies extinguished equally reduces the cooldown.
 
 
 
:Other than that, remember to stand still between each clip. It seems like this was most notable on the clip with you and the Heavy being extinguished. The minimum acceptable video quality would be 1080p 60fps, perhaps recording only at that resolution rather than 4k will help with running the game a bit smoother, as currently some clips are very laggy even on 1080p.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
::Aight will get working on it, Thanks Grampa Swood [[User:KingK|KingK]] ([[User talk:KingK|talk]]) 11:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 
::Here's the newly updated video
 
::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3_hfEnpB4 Video]
 
::[[User:KingK|KingK]] ([[User talk:KingK|talk]]) 15:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::The video still looks laggy. It was not recorded at 60 fps. Also your antialiasing settings are still low. Use 4x or 8x.
 
:::The video still has some problems. General: You wait too much between clips. When using half/third width clips don't disabled the HUD. I know that sometimes the elements look out of place but that can be fixed by editing the hud. First clip: The jar being misplaced is not your fault, but I think I can send a fix here. Second clip: The demoman should hit his 2 pipes instead of trying to kill the medic with rollers. 4th clip: I think you recorded the clips with normal width. Use half-width. 5th clip: The spy clips are now similar to the mad milk video. That's good, however, don't separate the spy clips. Record the clip in one shot. 6th clip: wait a bit before extinguishing yourself and the heavy. 7th clip: again, don't hide the hud. Final clip: It still shows the match hud bar. You can fix this by reloading the hud using hud_reloadscheme. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Winger}} ==
 
 
 
Current video was recorded in halloween mode. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 07:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
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Old reservation (5 May 2021)
 
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{{c|Does not demonstrate increased damage and reduced clip size.}}
 
 
 
<s>I did it (hopefully final).
 
# https://youtu.be/yXBdkE_Sm7s
 
# https://www.mediafire.com/file/ozl4ja1nr0jxvje/Winger_-_Weapon_Demonstration.mp4/file
 
[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 10:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)</s>
 
: ... Unfortunately, forgot to reload just before taunting :( So close!
 
: Also, while the resolution and in-game graphics look good, I can see [https://i.imgur.com/6mskZyo.png some video artifacts] in the video. Can you increase the bitrate (or reduce the quantizer, if you use that setting) in your video editing tool? I'd expect a good-video-quality demonstration of this duration to be more around 70 to 100 megabytes.
 
 
 
I just uploaded the high quality version (Video: H.264 / AVC; CRF: 20; Audio: AAC - 320 kbps).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8?t=7 0:07]) Basics (Pyro, Soldier, and Medic). Demonstrating its damage and its falloff, as well as inspect animation, reload animation, and its taunt.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8?t=51 0:51]) +15% damage bonus per shot. It took one less shot (compared to the stock [[Pistol]]) to kill the Demoman at close range.
 
# ([https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8?t=61 1:01]) -60% clip size. I rapid fired this weapon on Heavy at long range and it took longer to kill compared to the stock [[Pistol]].
 
# ([https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8?t=72 1:12]) +25% jump height when active. Compared to the stock [[Pistol]] and when holstered (equipping the [[Scattergun]]).
 
# ([https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8?t=79 1:19]) Same as no. 4 above, but in regards to distance.
 
Links:
 
# https://youtu.be/XzQVkvE3nw8
 
# https://www.mediafire.com/file/7imw3goclanyr1k/Winger_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
 
It uses 3D Player Model HUD and inspects the Winger on the first scene (both should be okay). The player name is just "Player" instead of "Scout" (so I won't name an enemy Scout "Enemy Scout") or my nickname, Exaskliri. Split screen scenes now use stereo audio. I also use stock pistol on "+25% jumping height" scenes.
 
:Ugh. Nope. Forgot damage increase against buildings.
 
[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 16:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 
::Video is now unavailable, presumably due to building damage addition in progress? I downloaded the version from MediaFire instead. All looks good besides that. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 
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{{c|Does not demonstrate increased damage and reduced clip size.}}
 
  
[https://youtu.be/ZvyZTLgW498 Video link]<br>
 
[https://mega.nz/file/4vpwBJAK#FV-A3d-BDyE6xXt1RHnqf2uv0ki64v1e5Gm_1Sq2l9M Download link]<br>
 
This is my first time doing a ''weapon'' demonstration video, so I might have gotten some parts wrong. I tried to replicate the previous video from Exaskliri but I changed 2 things. First thing I changed is that it's a split screen view instead of three screens for when comparing jumps, as I don't really see a reason for adding the Scattergun screen. The second thing is that I added building damage, as Wind said the previous video looked good besides the lack of building damage.<br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 23:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
:I can't find the original video, but I believe the third Scattergun screen would have been to demonstrate that the Winger needs to be active for this extra jump height. It's also missing the inspect animation at the start.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
::The video by Exaskliri is found if you click expand at the top right of this section, download link for that video is [https://www.mediafire.com/file/7imw3goclanyr1k/Winger_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file here]. Also isn't the default pistol also a way to demonstrate that the Winger needs to be active for the extra jump height? Anyways, I also just realized I had kill sounds on and I didn't show off the inspect animation like you said, so I should have an improved version up soon. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 14:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
:::The Pistol vs Winger shows off that you get extra jump height. The point of the Scattergun comparison is to have the Winger shown > switch to Scattergun, showing that it needs to be active.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 14:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
::::'''1.''' The video lacks crossfade between clips. '''2.''' For the jump dem, i think you should do a split into 3 view where: 1. you jump with the pistol out, 2. you draw the winger and jump with the scattergun, 3. you jump with the winger out. Next. '''3.''' I don't think a building damage dem is necessary, because it isn't damage only against players. i found myself confused in that part. '''4.''' for the damage dem, a split into 2 view where: 1. you have a pistol with only 5 bullets in the magazine, 2. you have the winger. Then you shoot a scout. With the winger, you should be able to kill the scout · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Thanks for the feedback, here's a new version: [https://youtu.be/e6enQaXLwj0 Video link] [https://mega.nz/file/Qz51lCKT#JrFFcg_GR_3q1bHTodJ4IH5mSMpANTSwICAWgpG55w0 Download link]. For the last section demonstrating damage, I had to use 7 bullets instead of 5, as 5 bullets with the Winger didn't kill the Scout. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 16:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 
 
::::::Hi there. Great demonstration vid. For the damage comparison, though, I'd rather to sync all gunshots via scripting (maybe ask [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] for help; I don't play TF2 anymore). — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>({{gender:Exaskliri|he/him|she/her|they/them}})</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 20:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 
 
{{Outdent}}Both Winger's and Pistol have the same firing rate. Now, while usually damage demonstrations have a bot in the middle of the "pitch" (where the caution tapes are), for this demonstration it would be better that you place the bot right in front of you and fire 5 shots. The clips don't have to be in sync btw · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 02:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 
 
:Alrighty, here's a new version: [https://youtu.be/k2qOlrRueM0 Video link] [https://mega.nz/file/F7omCCJS#I3lc3GfNbPJGfe_cC8xCdvk2aP_hEU9N0g0y5lnBJkI Download link]. I also forgot to render the video at 60 FPS last time, so now that's fixed as well. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 16:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 
 
::A bit late, but looks good! I don't see much wrong with it atm.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Looks good, but render the video at 60 FPS please · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 
 
::::Here it is in 60 FPS, let me know if I need to make any changes. <br> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0CRe-sNW5Q Video link] [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PiJEYzfw8a57wLYPMvD4Tqk576o-ISGe/view?usp=sharing Download link] <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Speech typing.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] [[File:Photo Badge Decal Example.png|15px|link=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=25&user=Andrew360&ilshowall=0]] 23:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:::::The video is not at 60 FPS. You can tell because in yt quality settings the video is only at 1080p, not 1080p60 · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::::::It appears at 1080p60 for me just fine ([https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773915549927211048/1202467901496631326/IMG_1054.png?ex=65cd9080&is=65bb1b80&hm=581a95e946445206112f297ca60df4d098ae139e4400334f0a813cb94273c9c7& screenshot]). <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Speech typing.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] [[File:Photo Badge Decal Example.png|15px|link=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=25&user=Andrew360&ilshowall=0]] 04:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
{{Outdent|6}} I have 1080p60 here too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:The video is not at 60 FPS. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0CRe-sNW5Q Check the video in yt and move frame by frame]. In the ingame section the frames don't interpolate unlike in 60 FPS · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::I think the problem is that I didn’t have Vsync on, I’ll remake it tomorrow with Vsync on to see if that changes anything. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Speech typing.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] [[File:Photo Badge Decal Example.png|15px|link=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=25&user=Andrew360&ilshowall=0]] 03:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::The problem wasn't Vsync, but Premiere Pro setting the Timebase to 30 FPS by default. I had only figured this out after I had recorded footage with Vysnc. So here is the actual 60 FPS version, I guess if this one is still off then I have the Vsync version, hah, hah, why must you do this Premiere... <br> [https://youtu.be/Lb1PGxS1h8U Video link] [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LX3I1cX2X4yRWNpvzuxqlyQqcFukerNY/view?usp=sharing Download link] <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Speech typing.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] [[File:Photo Badge Decal Example.png|15px|link=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=25&user=Andrew360&ilshowall=0]] 23:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 
 
== {{Demo Header|Chargin' Targe}}, {{Demo Header|Tide Turner}}, and {{Demo Header|Splendid Screen}} ==
 
 
Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{c|yes}}, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
 
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:I think those are all. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:I think those are all. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yes, that would all be good. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yes, that would all be good. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::Alright. Can you upload the new version? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 
::::Alright. Can you upload the new version? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 
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I think I'll take this one! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
  
Comparison between stock Fists and the Killing Gloves of Boxing would be nice to have, like in other demonstrations. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 12:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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:Please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:56, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::I'll see if I can attempt to do this, if I make any mistakes I'll amend them but I will follow the guide to as close as I can. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:::I think I'm going to do this in the new year, all the bots drop the little smissmas gifts and I cannot find a console command to prevent this, If anyone can just mention it here. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 13:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 
  
::::Same happens during Halloween, souls will always come out of players regardless of {{code|tf_forced_holiday}} setting. Will simply have to wait until it's over.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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sorry! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'll see if I can fix that via Vscript · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 01:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::For Halloween souls, we could use [https://gamebanana.com/mods/473055 this mod]. For crit pumpkins and smissmas gifts, there's this [https://tf2maps.net/downloads/no-crit-pumpkins.15892/ vscript]. It is only for crumpkins but i can change it to delete gifts too · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 02:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 
::::::Actually, you can disabled the smissmas gifts with {{code|mp_holiday_nogifts 1}} · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 
  
{{Outdent|6}}[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n87MO2ZNvwghqo3uTvxBdU23Cju3cnLt/view?usp=sharing Here's] the video, feedback needed!<br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 09:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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:Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo?  For one thing, [https://youtu.be/PbByxTR2c5s?t=69 this] part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
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:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:Looks good, although I'd take more time with the Minigun crits shooting part. Rather than killing all 3 at the same time, mimic the previous demonstration. Try to also be in a position where the cutout isn't hit, as the one on the ground also shows the 'HIT!' text.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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::Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/17K93xmW_9oQF9bHhGKnrPgJrcvEGcm3N/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 09:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
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:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:::Looks good to me, although a minor nitpick would be that the Pyro clip at the end is not in the same position. No need to change that, if you don't want to, though.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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::::It's easier to just ask someone for help.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::::I don't think a small thing like that is worth a redo, unless Ashe has a problem with it? <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 18:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::I am asking for help.
:::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:24, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam] [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
  
== {{Demo Header|Blutsauger}} ==
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::::::I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
: Update on this. Video seems to require multiple people. Wasn't able to find anyone else to help me. If you want to help me record this please ping me. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 19:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== {{Demo Header|Wrap Assassin}} ==
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:What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
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:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/188TabRCbvuuPYsanV57gobaV_VxalEAZ/view?usp=sharing Here's] The first version, feedback needed! <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 17:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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::Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
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::'''EDIT''': Clarification, [[Badlands (Control Point)]] specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  
:Missing inspect animation in the first clip. [https://i.imgur.com/LV7BI45.png Cryptid can be left out of the demonstration]. I don't think walking to the resupply cabinet is necessary in the clip with the Engi and Sniper, seems like they were almost recharged by the time you got there. Looks fine otherwise, end of the video is a bit awkward with the music, try and see if you can start fading out halfway through the reel ending noise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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::The main reason for going to the cabinet was for the HP, Didn't think there was much point in showing self-damage when already injured.<br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 21:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.
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:Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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:I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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:::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-nPz3VPXOGQN0m6BUFRIpEoElg0beAM/view?usp=sharing Here's] an updated version. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 21:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order:
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* Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
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* Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
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* Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
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* Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).
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* Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).
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* Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.
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* Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.
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* Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).
  
::::Missing a transition between the outside clip and the engi + sniper clip. May also be beneficial to show off that the +25% recharge rate is based on the Sandman, should probably show that off too in an extra clip. Splendid Screen has this too with the Chargin' Targe.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zTNRegafya5G-hvqgN7017YwWPL3WXcj/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 09:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::::::Looks good, maybe if the Sandman's ball recharges the bauble that could be shown off too now that I think about it. Otherwise, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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:I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|6}}The sandman ball does indeed seem to recharge the Wrap assassin though I'm not sure if its intended or not, not sure how I'd capture it as one person. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 18:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Amputator}} ==
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:Safe to assume it's intentional. You can have bots mirror your loadout, so just have one mirror your loadout with the Sandman.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
::The video seems to be missing the Disguised Spy bauble hit demonstration. Other than that, this video is much clearer and less waffly in content than the previous video. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 
  
:::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pWkYYePXoz2rNddfCAS6NI7BrS7v1NqU/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version! <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 19:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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:Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
  
::::Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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:: That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::The outro has a glitch. Music can be heard at the last frame of the video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 
  
::::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O1P4QFLUopaNT881cVcs0gvzGyN7mYCf/view?usp=sharing Here's] a new version. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 16:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Eyelander}}, {{Demo Header|Nessie's Nine Iron}}, {{Demo Header|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker}}, and {{Demo Header|Half-Zatoichi}} ==
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I've wanted to contribute a weapon demonstration before and felt this was a good one to do, so I hope it is okay to reserve this for now while I prepare the clips and video. The weapon stats explicitly mentions it also mini-crits against targets launched airborne via the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster; would (either of) these be worth including alongside the rocket jumping Soldier airshot?<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 10:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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:I forgot to suggest actually; given the other Soldier primary weapons also showcase airshot clips, I feel it would be reasonable to show a comparison between the stock and Direct Hit for this due to the Mini-Crit stat. Would it be best to only do it for the clip of the Direct Hit launching the enemy airborne, or for multiple (or none) of the clips.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
The other swords shows the comparision except for the above ones. [[User:ThunderRunner|ThunderRunner]] ([[User talk:ThunderRunner|talk]]) 08:54, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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::There's no need for the comparison imo, just a clip of an airshot is good. I also think it's also worth including the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster as they're specifically mentioned.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
  
== {{Demo Header|Kritzkrieg}} ==
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:::Trying to get the airshot clip ft. Grappling Hook wasn't working, and after a little searching I found out that Mannpower mode disabled (mini-)crits caused by being launched airborne in 2020, and the Direct Hit's weapon statistics were never updated to address that it does not work with Grappling Hooks anymore. I'm unsure if I should include the Grappling Hook in the demonstration or not due to this, though it may be good to add to the Bugs list on the weapon page regardless. This same issue exists for the Reserve Shooter as well.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 01:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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::::I've uploaded the demonstration video; I've opted to include the Grappling Hook airshot anyway as it is explicitly mentioned in the weapon description. I've also included damage to buildings, as it is a common use case for the Direct Hit and felt was relevant to the demonstration.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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::::: Should also include an splash damage radius comparison between stock Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 00:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
I think I'll take this one! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|6}} Felt like I had forgotten something, I even already had the clips for it! Updated demonstration link to add splash damage radius comparison.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 02:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:Please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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:The clip where a Demoman was shot mid-air first before the series of other interactions with blast/air conditions doesn't feel right. There seems to be no clip where Demoman launched himself with a stickybomb. I would perhaps use a Medic for this one, and/or add a separate clip with Demoman launching himself with a stickybomb. But that's just my personal feedback. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
  
sorry! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
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::I did consider it initially, but felt it would be redundant as the stat is only listed vaguely as "launched airborne by explosions", and the first two airshot clips feel sufficient for that already.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
  
== {{Demo Header|Gunboats}} ==
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:::I agree with the first two airshot clips being sufficient. I think the building clip is unnecessary, as we don't show that for other damage bonus/penalty attributes. I'm also missing a clip of you rocket jumping and the effect the damage bonus has on your HP (or the lack thereof). Other than that, if the video gets approved it would be best if you also made a version without the Grappling Hook clip, and then also sent that over. That way if they ever fix the attribute we don't need to redo the whole video or edit it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
{{c|Has in-video text when comparing vs. stock Shotgun (can use third-person view instead).}}<br>
 
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/14qxsvy-A-EvCovHFZAMpYnN6EcoYIze6/view?usp=sharing Here's] the first version, feedback needed! <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 20:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 
  
:Instead of recording the whole thing in third person, I would either only showing off at the start of the clip ([[Splendid Screen]]'s demo, which compares it with the Targe at some point and only shows that in third person before returning to first person) or (preferably) switch to the Shotgun in the clip and then put it away again. Try to also get the exact same positions for the clip with the other Soldier.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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::::I've posted an updated version removing the building destruction clips and added some rocket jump comparison clips (they can be seen near the end of the video, just before the airblasting clip).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 02:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J-6b7lS-t8bhAW0OdJaeg-m4qe8tWi9y/view?usp=sharing Here's] an updated version.<br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 11:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:::Time between clips is a bit long. I would not start with the Shotgun, but instead start with Rocket Launcher > wait the usual time between clips (~1-1.5 seconds I'd say) > switch to Shotgun > switch to Rocket Launcher > wait 0.5-1 second > perform action.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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::::::@Kibblekip In the section where you compare the dmg radious, make it so the rocket launcher clip goes first and then the direct hit, so that it looks less confusing~. Also, idk about the grappling hook thing. It would be better to remove the clip. I'm pretty sure Valve at some point is going to remove that attribute from the direct hit · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  
::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1agzSdujpUzQQCVJZmSNw42UlcUhNTFUp/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 18:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|7}}I've removed the Grappling Hook clip and added a delay between the Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit clip, as I assume this is what you was asking for.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Looks good, but I'd cut down the time it takes to get to the next clip by a bit.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Thermal Thruster}} ==
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This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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::::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1noU7vp2KT2BqyHGF_bXKxHrFRAx1MTvy/view?usp=sharing Here's] a newer version!<br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 10:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:24, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Soda Popper}} ==
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I'd also like to better indicate both the distance and height that can be achieved in separate clips, as I feel the original demonstation does not fully showcase the capabilities of the Soda Popper's Hype gauge in the last clip alone. Would it be good to also include Hype build on invisible Spies, or would only disguised Spies be necessary?<br> [[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 02:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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:Something I only considered just before I got to video editing is that the Soda Popper's increased fire rate and reduced reload speed stats appear to be directly in reference to the FaN rather than the Scattergun, thoughts on including a comparison between the two? (probably side-by-side clips of shooting a Heavy, probably from far enough away that it doesn't trigger the FaN's knockback)<br> [[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 19:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xaktgboj28xm7EfHIuUwjRkLMXeLlzq1/view?usp=sharing Here's] the first version, let me know what needs changing! [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 17:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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::I would say compare it to the FaN's fire speed, ignore the scattergun, and if you're worried about knock back try and do it against the back wall of tr_karma. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 19:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:The Shovel's taunt replacement sounds different than the rest. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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::Just compare to all 3. Scattergun, Force-A-Nature, and Soda Popper in one clip. Also make sure to inspect the Force-A-Nature before starting the clip.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NGv2NS6N8cJJzqKehO2PbjQBD0cQGIas/view?usp=sharing Here's] an updated version <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 19:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::If I do all three the HUD breaks due to the Soda Popper's 'Hype' HUD clipping over the health bar. Is there a way I'd be able to fix this? If not I'll only be able to compare two of them at once, to which I'd probably do the FaN and Soda Popper and ignore the Scattergun.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 10:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:::Maybe this could be a rare exception where re-enabling chat might be a good thing. Otherwise you can't really see which voice command is used. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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:::Unless you're using a custom HUD or playing in 4:3, the Hype meter shouldn't be anywhere near the health bar, instead it should be near the ammunition count. (You should use the default HUD + a 16:9 resolution, at least 1366x768 or 1600x900 when making demonstration videos) ♡ [[User:JupiterSphere|<span style="color:#ffbb57">JupiterSphere</span>]] ( ◡‿◡ *) ⊱✿⊰ [[User talk:JupiterSphere|<span style="color:#b97ecf">Talk To Me!</span>]] ⊱✿⊰ 11:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
  
:::: Unfortunately, unlike "Medic!", "Spy!" ETC. The battle cry does not appear in the text chat. <br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 19:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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::::This is unfortunately not an option if they need to compare 2 or 3 clips in one go.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::That's true. Besides that, the music audio still plays when the video is fading to black, and the outro audio plays after the transition · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 
  
::::::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mZ7Vzh07Vd_9Hv6QBWxyuoWmvX_9xWVi/view?usp=sharing Here's] a new version with an updated outro.<br>[[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] ([[User talk:Cheddar|talk]]) 14:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Demonstration added. I used separate clips to show the Soda Popper's Hype gauge usage both for primarily horizontal and vertical movement separately, as I felt this gives a better idea of how it can be utilized.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 01:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 
  
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:Looks good. I think the initial clip doesn't need the Hype jumps, though. No need to redo for that.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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::Aye yeah, I mostly included that given it was in the existing demonstration; didn't know why it was in that either but felt it was safer to include just incase.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 23:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
  
I like the 1986 film The Fly starring Jeff Goldblum, Geena Davis and John Getz so I'll try and fixed the janky audio [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 23:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::I should have answered before. For the 3 clips section, please modify the huditemeffectmeter_sodapopper.res file and move the meter above the ammo. Now, this scene is kinda confusing, so make 2 scenes, in the first show only the increased firing speed (vs the scattergun) and in the second only the increased reload speed (vs the fan) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 02:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
: Here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SGpFldmu8 [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 01:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 
  
::Use the keybind provided on the main page for slowly turning, it's a lot smoother than manual hand turning. Make sure the 2 clips don't overlap each other, just flick your mouse back to looking at the front rather than slowly moving it during the other clip. Just like the original video, make sure to take out the pistol only once you're going to do the taunt to avoid the clips overlapping. Make sure the clip's audio also fades out with the reel.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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::::As in have a scene with the Scattergun & Soda Popper (firing speed), a scene with the FaN & Soda Popper (reload speed), and then the three guns together like it is currently (aside from edited HUD)? Personally I feel the existing trio of clips gets the stat differences across reasonably enough, but if you feel it would be more appropriate to have them separated first I'll do that, sure.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 19:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  
::: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/17a1rKLUbmyB-hnoj_by50bo6hDNOZBZb/view?usp=sharing Here's version 2], I can't use the camera turn bind in third person so I did my best. I just flipped through engies weapons to show that the outfit is only visible in third person [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 23:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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:::::I've uploaded an updated version that showcases the firing speed and the reload speed separately, and re-did the 3 clips section to fix the HUD (and to not inspect the FaN, as it was already shown and inspected earlier). I hope this suffices.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 22:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 
  
== Trading demonstration ==
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::::::Remove the 3 clip section. It is no longer necessary · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
{{c|Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window}}
 
  
We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.
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{{Outdent|7}}I've updated the demonstration to remove said section.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 20:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
== {{Demo Header|Ullapool Caber}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Widowmaker}} ==
*{{c|Does not demonstrate activation on cloaked enemy Spies}}
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{{DemoEntry
*{{c|Does not demonstrate activation on disguised enemy Spies}}
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| begin
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 17:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show that metal is not gained when shooting disguised spies.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1piTu5LUbcjsD5vgPdGs5-tH5pgYJQCxJ/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
This video does not need a desperate rework, but it is worth adding some extra stuff here and there. Specifically the cloak and disguise interactions.
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== {{Demo Header|Ubersaw}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation = [[User talk:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.}}
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| video =
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}}
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I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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Added updated ver. [[User:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] ([[User talk:Myrmxa|talk]]) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
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:The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)'''
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== {{Demo Header|Machina}}, {{Demo Header|Shooting Star}} ==
#Attack the Pyro with a full caber. Watch the explosion and Demoman saying "Kablooey!" or similar.
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{{DemoEntry
#After landing, kill the Pyro with the now empty caber.
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| begin
#Kill the Soldier with consecutive hits of the empty caber.
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| status = approved
#Kill the Medic with consecutive hits of the empty caber.
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| reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
#Taunt
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| changes = {{c|Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1co1dYQorbjHtGUaI15pppyzHasE6HwiP/view?usp=sharing
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| video-text = Machina
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| video-extra = [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c84xblZSWBwVeDRwXt8BLy6-fKSyOEco/view?usp=sharing Shooting Star]
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}}
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Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. [[User:Andreng|Andreng]] ([[User talk:Andreng|talk]]) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
'''Part 2: Blast Radius Tests + Caber Jumping'''
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== {{Demo Header|Ap-Sap}}, {{Demo Header|Snack Attack}}, {{Demo Header|Red-Tape Recorder}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation = [[User:Dessensce|Dessensce]] ([[User talk:Dessensce|talk]]) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.}}
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| video =
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}}
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
Do the same as current video's Part 2 except friendly Scout is removed. And some more added too.
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== {{Demo Header|Battery Canteens}} ==
# Approach between an enemy Engineer and an enemy Sniper. '''[Note: Friendly Scout is moved to the next Act]'''
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{{DemoEntry
# Look at both of them while standing still.
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| begin
# Look down at the ground and then swing the caber.
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| status = nodemo
# Crouch, look down, and then swing the caber. Watch the explosion affect the enemy players.
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| reservation =
# Look at the enemy players again.
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| changes = {{c|Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.}}
# Run to the Resupply room, look at the sign, and enter the room.
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| video =
# Touch the Resupply cabinet.
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}}
# Repeat Step 4.
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
# Run to the Resupply room and immediately go to the Resupply cabinet and out.
 
# Approach a high location (in the current video, it is a bunch of crates)
 
# Jump and strike the wall of the high location to get to the top of it.
 
  
'''Part 3: Player Interactions'''
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== {{Demo Header|Neon Annihilator}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]]
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| changes = {{c|Needs to show critical hits from the gas passer and damage vs stock.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BxRKhQF-q-Eok_0mp2ywX1fyxYN51Zp5/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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I've added an additional clip showing damage vs players being lower. I added a clip of the Jarate + Gas Passer too. In the Sniper clip in the sewers I also show that the Neon Annihilator changes to a damaged state. I'm also concerned about the third and second to last clips having a bit of a fast transition to the next clip. Otherwise, it should be good. Also note that [[User:Cheddar|Cheddar]] played the Engineer and had trouble getting out of the water.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 14:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
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:The old version of the Engineer wetness clips with the outdoor lakes seemed to work better with smoothness of the comparisons. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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::I think that's simply because of how awkward one of the clips is about getting out of the water. I can definitely improve it if needed.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::I think it is worth redoing the clips. Preferably, I think the water should be that pond like in the other Neon Annihilation video. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 05:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::I don't know which map that was on, I have a feeling it is Watchtower, though. I think I can redo the clip just fine on tr_karma, but with a smoother exit from the water.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
First part is a single enemy Spy.
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== {{Demo Header|Unleashed Rage}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = approved
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| reservation = [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 03:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Updated Taunt: Unleashed Rage to fix incorrect outro timing.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/14cIlo8fDcPzlpRRc0NMtwEQ9f4egI6nV/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 22:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
'''Part 3a: Cloaked Spy'''
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== {{Demo Header|Unusualifier}} ==
# Let the Spy cloak
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{{DemoEntry
# Approach cloaked Spy and attack with the full caber. If the facts are right, an explosion should trigger.
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| begin
# Refresh the screen to the next scene...
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| status = review needed
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| reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] 15-8-2024 18:24 CEST
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| changes = {{c|Current video has the shadowplay icon in the bottom right while showing the taunt}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/19RfUgNWl0wqtreBRHC7OZA-TjqLmpApo/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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I've matched the sound and everything up to the old one, the only noticeable thing is maybe a jump in background ambience as tr_target_weaponref_hdr uses a different ambience. I can re-record on there if necessary.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
There are two players on the side, a friendly Scout and an enemy Spy.
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== {{Demo Header|Classic}} ==
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{{DemoEntry
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| begin
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| status = nodemo
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| reservation =
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| changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]}}<br />{{c|Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.}}
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| video =
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}}
  
'''Part 3b: Disguised Spy'''  
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'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)'''
# Let the Spy disguise as a friendly Scout.
 
# Approach friendly Scout and attack with the full caber. Nothing should happen.
 
# Now go to the disguised Spy and repeat Step 3. The difference is that the explosion should trigger.
 
  
'''Part 4: Deployment and Holstering'''
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Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tK4HASL-I the current video].
*Do the same set of actions as the current video, or in any appropriate method.
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# Inspect the rifle
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# Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
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# Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
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# Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
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# Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
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# Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
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# Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
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# Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
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# Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
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# Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
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# Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
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# Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
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# Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
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# Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
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# Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
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# Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
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# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
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# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
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# Taunt.
  
<s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)</s> [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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'''Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1'''
  
:Good list, but agree that this isn't worth redoing if it's only for those extra interactions. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.
  
== {{Demo Header|Surgeon's Squeezebox}} ==
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# Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
{{C|October 9, 2023 Patch - Fixed missing outro sequence for the Taunt: Surgeon's Squeezebox.}}
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# Move forward to the garage door.
* After almost 6 years. [[File:User Denied signature.jpg|50px|link=User:Denied]] [[User:Denied|Denied]] [[User talk:Denied|(Talk)]] 16:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 
  
[https://youtu.be/QgKIcFonWyE Video], see [[#A group of taunts that needed fixing|this topic]] for download link. Only includes music up until the actual taunt music begins to play, I thought it's better this way than complete silence until then.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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'''Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2'''
  
== [[File:RED Teleporter.png|16px|link=Teleporters]] [[Teleporters]] ==
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Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.
{{c|Needs to show the updated metal cost.}}
 
  
== {{Demo Header|Cleaner's Carbine}} ==
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# Begin charging the right-hand side.
{{c|Needs a firing speed comparison to stock.}}
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# For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
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# Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.
  
== {{Demo Header|Maul}}, {{Demo Header|Homewrecker}} ==
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'''Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling'''
{{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
 
  
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Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.
  
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RuotuJq4wrNwBO07H-bjgSrtHo1tyhkJ/view?usp=sharing Here's the Maul] [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 00:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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# Aim straight.
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# Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
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# Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
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# Scope and jump.
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# Unscope the Classic.
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# Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
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# Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
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# Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YkPdQZhRUCRbBqNM13vzVrjDWE2oLJKL/view?usp=sharing Here's the Homewrecker] [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 00:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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'''Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot'''
  
:It seems like the combattext batching was still on, as the damage numbers get added up. You don't have to be named "Friendly Engineer" for the Dispenser clip, it can just be your own name.
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At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.
:In the Homewrecker one specifically: Try not to rotate around a target too much when hitting them (this is mostly when hitting the Pyro at the start, where all 3 subsequent hits are from a different angle). Both look good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 
  
== {{Demo Header|Overdose}} ==
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# Charge the Classic.
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# Fall while still charging.
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# Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.
  
I'll take this one, I'll probably also make the speed demonstration bits three way (0%, 50%, and 100%) to show that the speed you gain isn't just when you have full uber [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 04:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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'''Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot'''
  
https://youtu.be/BNgSl-Wc5hk here ya go let me know if you have any feedback/changes [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 22:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.
  
:Medic should start facing the front rather than the side, or at least turn him a little bit so he faces slightly to your left rather than being a side view. Wait until the voice line finishes playing after killing someone, as to not make the sound overlap. The 3 Medi Gun clips should take out their Medi Gun at roughly the same time, the middle one lags behind. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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# Charge the Classic.
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# Fall while still charging.
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# Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.
  
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SchQY5hJ2crJUzZdfSfKwuXUS23prBR8/view?usp=sharing| Here's version 2] [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 00:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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'''Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged'''
:::Reduce the general volume by 20 %. In the minute 0:49, extend the time before deploying the overdose a few seconds so users can read the uber percentage of all the clips. Don't use fade to black in the minute 0:57 · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vRsxzBMra-spMTW_vPAQ9fxL6KdXLRGd/view?usp=drive_link Here's v3] [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 
  
== {{Demo Header|Amputator}} ==
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Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".
{{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
 
  
I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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# Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
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# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
  
:Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)
  
:: That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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'''Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged'''
  
== {{Demo Header|Tribalman's Shiv}} ==
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Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.
{{Reservation|[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 21:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)}}<br>
 
{{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock or the bleed effect on disguised spies}}
 
  
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VL5EaPWCjEQNh9ffw5yZNp8AWlLz-4pv/view?usp=sharing Here] it is, feedback needed! <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)
  
:The Spy starts with his Knife instead of Revolver, the Spy looks slightly down from 1 frame to the next during the Disguise clip which makes it look like 2 clips cut together. Looks fine otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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# Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
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# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
  
== {{Demo Header|Shahanshah}} ==
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For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.
{{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
 
  
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There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.
  
[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q1Ep68Hna2UoeRFqC3eiJICGchye9ZDQ/view?usp=sharing Here's the Shahanshah demonstration] [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 01:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
:Combattext batching seems to be on, as the numbers are adding up. Looks good otherwise.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Reserve Shooter}} ==
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Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
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<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
== {{Demo Header|Solemn Vow}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Time Out Therapy}} ==
{{c|Needs a swing speed comparison to stock.}}
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{{DemoEntry
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| changes = {{c|Materials were updated on [[September 16, 2021 Patch]] and the mug is now team-colored, the cross is red or blue.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j6o3h6FxdVT1xKTjtkTgL2QWXNbCtLdz/view?usp=sharing
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}}
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[[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
Here ya go https://youtu.be/1RRn8TijKmM [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 22:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Battin' A Thousand}} ==
:Looks good. Next time for the health id alpha and location use the default ones (though since it's the solemn vow your settings are better in this ocassion). Send the link · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry
:: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GShNrEaaXLbPpPNywMOJ7cxeZIGrWIW1/view?usp=drive_link Here ya go], it's processing right now but there's the link. Let me know if you need anything else [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 00:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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::: The video got uploaded so I gotta remove the reservation [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 18:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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| changes = {{c|Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
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== {{Demo Header|Direct Hit}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Meet the Medic (taunt)}} ==
{{c|Does not show splash damage size compared to stock. No damage comparison to stock. You can airshot a soldier that rocket jumps.}}
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| changes = {{c|Show the taunt with all of the mediguns similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
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| video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wDpb_Mr7nQisgm0-JP0YblljmHDWUT_1/view?usp=sharing
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Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
== {{Demo Header|Pomson 6000}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Southern Hospitality}} ==
{{c|October 21, 2016 Patch - Fixed the Pomson 6000 playing the Shotgun reload sound.}}
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Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
== {{Demo Header|Highland Hound}} ==
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== {{Demo Header|Invis Watch}}, {{Demo Header|Cloak and Dagger}} ==
{{c|Low quality video, missing fade out, and the taunt is shown from the back too much.}}
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[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FWPzGdZ7ZoR7e_Qo3ppnaygcJbJS1zZk/view?usp=sharing Here ya go] [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 19:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
:The transition from the reel music to the ending reel noise could be smoother, it's very abrupt currently.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Quäckenbirdt}} ==
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While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/15cYktxAHLAeBnSi0O31qRcBiVML9NULj/view?usp=sharing outro should be smoother now] [[User:Mediarch|Mediarch]] ([[User talk:Mediarch|talk]]) 19:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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{{DemoEntry|end}}
  
:::Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Warrior's Spirit}} ==
::::Looks good. Thanks · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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== {{Demo Header|Thermal Thruster}} ==
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= [[Main Page (Classic)|Team Fortress Classic]] =
{{c|Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item}}
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== [[File:TFC Crowbar.PNG|16px]]{{Demo Header|Crowbar (Classic)}} ==
This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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= [[Main Page (Classic)|Team Fortress Classic]] =
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== [[File:TFC p nailgun.png|16px]]{{Demo Header|Nailgun (Classic)}} ==
== [[File:TFC Crowbar.PNG|16px]] [[Crowbar (Classic)]] ==
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{{DemoEntry
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=Questions and Proposals=
 
=Questions and Proposals=
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::Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 
::Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Question about 2D and 3D player models ==
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A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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: they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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::As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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:::Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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::::I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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== Mastercomfig question ==
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I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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:Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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::Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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== Closed Captions/Subtitles ==
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Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaDV6NNHXs pomson] video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.
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<strike>Looking at [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698?hl=en#zippy=%2Cadvanced-file-formats youtube supported formats] I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found [https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit this open source] editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing.</strike> - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.
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On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnKOX2PaQZY Subtitle editor permissions] exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000]] [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es]] and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software [https://aegisub.org/ aegisub] and a corresponding [https://github.com/arcusmaximus/YTSubConverter converter] app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Nhmng61c example] for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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:: The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me ''days''. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
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:: A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-cAG3kW2I&lc=Ugzg0JWOWoTusUnnkqJ4AaABAg.9x1ptkjgJ8x9y19le2sD_i c this video] - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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::: As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/captions/insert API]. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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::::I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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== Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel ==
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Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 [[achievements]]? Introducing [https://www.drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE Achievement Demonstrations]! ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGNf5H5IRU Video])
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=== ''"Why demonstrate achievements?"'' ===
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TF2 has '''hundreds''' of achievements, with many having rather ''vague'' descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.
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=== ''"How should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. [[Strategy#Achievement_strategies|This page]] should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the [[Scout]] by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus [[bots]], though versing another player will be necessary at times.
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* '''''[[Taunts#Kill_taunts|Taunt kill]] and [[Deathcam]]-related achievements:''''' Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
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* '''''Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time:''''' Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
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* '''''[[Achievement_items|Milestone achievements]]:''''' Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
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* '''''Achievements requiring Steam friends:''''' These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
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* '''''Unobtainable achievements (ie certain [[Replay_achievements|Replay achievements]]):''''' Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
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* '''''[[Achievements#Joke_achievements|Joke achievements]]:''''' A demonstration should not be necessary for these.
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=== ''"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
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Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in [[Valve_Hammer_Editor|Hammer]] with altered bot spawn locations.
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* '''''[[Arena]] achievements:''''' arena_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Capture the Flag]] achievements:''''' ctf_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Control point]] achievements:''''' cp_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[King of the Hill]] achievements:''''' koth_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[Mann_vs._Machievements|MvM achievements]]:''''' mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
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* '''''[[Payload]] achievements:''''' pl_karma_wiki.
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* '''''[[List_of_maps|Map]]-specific achievements:''''' The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
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[[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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: {{c|con}} My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the [[Obtaining General achievements|"Obtaining Achievements"]] type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:: Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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::::It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, [https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager Steam Achievement Manager] is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::::And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are ''"too basic,"'' this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: [[weapons]] can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, [[taunts]] can be freely previewed in the [[Mann Co. Store]], all the [[Cosmetic_item|cosmetic]] videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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{{Outdent|5}}There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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:SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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::It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated ''"properly,"'' this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is ''"interesting"'' is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::: I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
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:::: That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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:[https://drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE I've updated] the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in '''''changelog.txt'''''. Feel free to give them a glance! (''Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.'') [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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== Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project ==
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Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of [[User:Anonymus0|@Anonymus0]] decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably [[User:Yossef|Yossef]], to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.
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Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created.  Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:
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1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-JTrTQfCJY here]. 2nd map is called backup_final ''(keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim)'' and its demonstration video is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2gSuL8UeA here]. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQq4fRJy4U here]. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJu0naNRJNc here].
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The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map ''Wind tunnel'' is oldest/earliest one that I created, while ''tr_lol'' is my final one. As you can see, ''Wind tunnel'' and ''Backup final'' are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, '''much''' greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki.  Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: [[File:User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png|15px]] (Wind Tunnel), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png|15px]] (tr_karma), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png|15px]] (tr_lol)
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Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.
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Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:
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* '''Lack of proper bot programs''': It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
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* '''No damage indicators''': Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.
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That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
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:I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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::As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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:::I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Foxbot Foxbot] bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called ''waypoint tags'', and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command {{code|botsdontshoot}} ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing.  While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like [https://youtu.be/4aBWMRW6rHo this]
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:::Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command {{code|mp_respawn_time}} doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the {{code|botcam}} command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
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:::I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
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::::This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::: Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the [https://apg-clan.org/vbdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=980/ Foxbot download site], it seems that a {{code|botdontmove}} command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
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::::::Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::::: Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is ''a way'' to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for [[Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration#Chemistry Set|Chemistry set]], it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
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:::::::Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M8yjxNdOU] [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
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{{Outdent|8}}There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something ''is'' possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Chemistry Set Chemistry Set

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Old discussion (2020)

Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2

Hi there,
You now have to wait for WindPower to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.
My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.
It also lacks editing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
> he's very busy nowadays
You give me too much credit. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be
Fokuskii (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. God'sWrath (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. God'sWrath (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · Ashe (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The Strangifier demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Double click indeed does not work. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.
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Something Special For Someone Special Something Special For Someone Special (Tool)

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Old discussion (2019)

Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
It seems that the process is mostly the same as the Gift Wrap, but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. Naleksuh (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — Wind 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the Scout avatar (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use this. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?
Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-gameJomarcenter (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — Wind 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two accounts would be okay to reuse right?) Naleksuh (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.
The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) Naleksuh (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — Wind 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with dominations), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:
  • Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
  • Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
  • Switch to third-person mode.
  • Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
  • Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.

Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".

Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.

Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)

Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. Po1yb1ank (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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Fancy Spellbook Fancy Spellbook

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Fireproof Secret Diary Fireproof Secret Diary

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Kritz or Treat Canteen Kritz or Treat Canteen

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So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:

  • Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
    • The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
      • This part would repeat for each class
  • It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
  • After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done

However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:
RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video
  1. BLU player stands beside the intel point
  2. RED player captures the intel and win the game
  3. BLU player enters humiliation
  4. RED player look at the BLU player
  5. BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.
I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--AlexT 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Simply using thirdperson_mayamode it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest Thunder Mountain and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using mp_bonusroundtime to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead?
Andrew360 Edit icon.png Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up.
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Need to be redone

Huntsman Huntsman , Fortified Compound Fortified Compound

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Personally I would also full-charge bodyshot the Medic, as full-charge headshotting both the Medic and Sniper like in the existing demonstrations feels redundant.
Kibblekip (talk) 22:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Its probably just me, but I feel like the pacing of the first clip is too fast. Everything else looks good though.
Kibblekip T | C 23:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Could be, I had to redo it >11 times due to several factors, so at some point I might've just wanted to rush through it. I can easily redo.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Its probably not necessary, but might be worth it anyway? Can't blame you if you did rush through after that many redos though, my condolences.
Kibblekip T | C 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Crusader's Crossbow Crusader's Crossbow

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Pictogram comment.png Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.
Pictogram comment.png Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.
Pictogram comment.png Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.

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I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. VideoThedop (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — Wind 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Second tryThedop (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — Wind 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
*sigh* Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) Jk6419 (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. Jk6419 (talk) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Holiday Punch Holiday Punch

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Pictogram comment.png Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.

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I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — Wind 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled
  • Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
  • Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled
A few other ones that I am unsure about:
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
The tr_karma_rc1 map has water (see Sydney Sleeper demonstration here). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — Exaskliri (they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — Wind 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)

  • Do the same actions as was done in the original video

Part 2: Basic Interactions Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.

Part 2a:

  1. Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
  2. Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
  3. Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
  4. Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies

Part 2b:

  1. Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
  2. Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
  3. Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
  4. Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
  5. Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated

Part 2c:

  1. (This is where the new stuff begins) Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a friendly enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
  2. Attack the Scout from the front and behind
  3. Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
  4. Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
  5. Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic

Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy

  1. Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
  2. Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
  3. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
  4. Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
  5. Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
  6. Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
  7. Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
  8. Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
  9. (This is where the new stuff begins) Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
  10. Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
  11. Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 4: Spy Interactions View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.

  1. Approach the enemy Spy
  2. Let the enemy Spy cloak
  3. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
  4. Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
  5. Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.

Part 5: Taunts and Water

  1. Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
  2. While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
  3. Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
  4. The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
  5. Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 6: Robots

  1. Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
  2. Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Very detailed, nice. — Wind 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all Schadenfreude taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Power Up Canteen Power Up Canteen

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I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? Kaezle (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. Naleksuh (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Chargin' Targe Chargin' Targe , Tide Turner Tide Turner , and Splendid Screen Splendid Screen

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Demonstration link

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Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Pictogram tick.png Yes, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
  • Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
  • Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
  • Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
  • Mark for death, from Fan O'War
I think those are all. User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that would all be good. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).
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Quick-Fix Quick-Fix

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Old reservation (29 April 2021)

Pictogram comment.png What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):

  1. (1:14/1:24) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
  2. (2:09/2:39) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock Medi Gun, while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and r_cleardecals, so it should look neat.
  3. (2:17/3:01) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
  4. (2:56/3:47) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
  5. (3:26/4:17) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
  6. (3:53/6:56) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
  7. (4:26/5:06) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock Medi Gun's overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
  8. (4:46/8:32) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.

Pictogram comment.png The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):

  1. (7:39) Demonstrating stock Medi Gun's Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
  2. (7:58) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.


I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU Exaskliri (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
  1. I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA Exaskliri (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
  2. Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. Exaskliri (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
  3. Just finished uploading re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.
  1. https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
  2. https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
Exaskliri (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · Ashe (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. Exaskliri (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Just uploaded the fixed version of the Quick-Fix demonstration video. Exaskliri (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:
  • Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
  • There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.

Wind 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. Exaskliri (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Alright. Can you upload the new version? — Wind 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg Kritzkrieg

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Pictogram comment.png Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.
Pictogram comment.png Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.
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I think I'll take this one! Greenfox (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Please sign your comments using ~~~~.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

sorry! Greenfox (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo? For one thing, this part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.
Kibblekip T | C 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
It's easier to just ask someone for help.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I am asking for help.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.
Kibblekip T | C 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
EDIT: Clarification, Badlands (Control Point) specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.
Kibblekip T | C 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Trading demonstration

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We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.

Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · Ashe (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

RED Teleporter.png Teleporters

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I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order: First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):

  • Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
  • Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
  • Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
  • Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).

Second clip:

  • Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).

Third clip (requires 2 people):

  • Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.

Fourth clip:

  • Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.

Fifth clip:

  • Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.

Sixth clip:

  • Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.

Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):

  • Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).

Optional extra clips: Eureka Effect clip:

  • Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.

Setup time clip:

  • Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.

If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters.
CheddarTalk 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Amputator Amputator

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I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Direct Hit Direct Hit

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I've wanted to contribute a weapon demonstration before and felt this was a good one to do, so I hope it is okay to reserve this for now while I prepare the clips and video. The weapon stats explicitly mentions it also mini-crits against targets launched airborne via the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster; would (either of) these be worth including alongside the rocket jumping Soldier airshot?
Kibblekip (talk) 10:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to suggest actually; given the other Soldier primary weapons also showcase airshot clips, I feel it would be reasonable to show a comparison between the stock and Direct Hit for this due to the Mini-Crit stat. Would it be best to only do it for the clip of the Direct Hit launching the enemy airborne, or for multiple (or none) of the clips.
Kibblekip (talk) 11:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
There's no need for the comparison imo, just a clip of an airshot is good. I also think it's also worth including the Grappling Hook and Thermal Thruster as they're specifically mentioned.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Trying to get the airshot clip ft. Grappling Hook wasn't working, and after a little searching I found out that Mannpower mode disabled (mini-)crits caused by being launched airborne in 2020, and the Direct Hit's weapon statistics were never updated to address that it does not work with Grappling Hooks anymore. I'm unsure if I should include the Grappling Hook in the demonstration or not due to this, though it may be good to add to the Bugs list on the weapon page regardless. This same issue exists for the Reserve Shooter as well.
Kibblekip (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I've uploaded the demonstration video; I've opted to include the Grappling Hook airshot anyway as it is explicitly mentioned in the weapon description. I've also included damage to buildings, as it is a common use case for the Direct Hit and felt was relevant to the demonstration.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Should also include an splash damage radius comparison between stock Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 00:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Felt like I had forgotten something, I even already had the clips for it! Updated demonstration link to add splash damage radius comparison.
Kibblekip (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The clip where a Demoman was shot mid-air first before the series of other interactions with blast/air conditions doesn't feel right. There seems to be no clip where Demoman launched himself with a stickybomb. I would perhaps use a Medic for this one, and/or add a separate clip with Demoman launching himself with a stickybomb. But that's just my personal feedback. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I did consider it initially, but felt it would be redundant as the stat is only listed vaguely as "launched airborne by explosions", and the first two airshot clips feel sufficient for that already.
Kibblekip T | C 20:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree with the first two airshot clips being sufficient. I think the building clip is unnecessary, as we don't show that for other damage bonus/penalty attributes. I'm also missing a clip of you rocket jumping and the effect the damage bonus has on your HP (or the lack thereof). Other than that, if the video gets approved it would be best if you also made a version without the Grappling Hook clip, and then also sent that over. That way if they ever fix the attribute we don't need to redo the whole video or edit it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I've posted an updated version removing the building destruction clips and added some rocket jump comparison clips (they can be seen near the end of the video, just before the airblasting clip).
Kibblekip T | C 02:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
@Kibblekip In the section where you compare the dmg radious, make it so the rocket launcher clip goes first and then the direct hit, so that it looks less confusing~. Also, idk about the grappling hook thing. It would be better to remove the clip. I'm pretty sure Valve at some point is going to remove that attribute from the direct hit · Ashe (talk) 17:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've removed the Grappling Hook clip and added a delay between the Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit clip, as I assume this is what you was asking for.
Kibblekip T | C 20:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thermal Thruster Thermal Thruster

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Pictogram comment.png Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item

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This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · Ashe (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Natascha Natascha

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.

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Soda Popper Soda Popper

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show Hype build on disguised spies.
Demonstration link

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I'd also like to better indicate both the distance and height that can be achieved in separate clips, as I feel the original demonstation does not fully showcase the capabilities of the Soda Popper's Hype gauge in the last clip alone. Would it be good to also include Hype build on invisible Spies, or would only disguised Spies be necessary?
Kibblekip (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Something I only considered just before I got to video editing is that the Soda Popper's increased fire rate and reduced reload speed stats appear to be directly in reference to the FaN rather than the Scattergun, thoughts on including a comparison between the two? (probably side-by-side clips of shooting a Heavy, probably from far enough away that it doesn't trigger the FaN's knockback)
Kibblekip (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I would say compare it to the FaN's fire speed, ignore the scattergun, and if you're worried about knock back try and do it against the back wall of tr_karma.
CheddarTalk 19:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Just compare to all 3. Scattergun, Force-A-Nature, and Soda Popper in one clip. Also make sure to inspect the Force-A-Nature before starting the clip.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
If I do all three the HUD breaks due to the Soda Popper's 'Hype' HUD clipping over the health bar. Is there a way I'd be able to fix this? If not I'll only be able to compare two of them at once, to which I'd probably do the FaN and Soda Popper and ignore the Scattergun.
Kibblekip (talk) 10:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Unless you're using a custom HUD or playing in 4:3, the Hype meter shouldn't be anywhere near the health bar, instead it should be near the ammunition count. (You should use the default HUD + a 16:9 resolution, at least 1366x768 or 1600x900 when making demonstration videos) ♡ JupiterSphere ♡ ( ◡‿◡ *) ⊱✿⊰ Talk To Me! ⊱✿⊰ 11:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
This is unfortunately not an option if they need to compare 2 or 3 clips in one go.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Demonstration added. I used separate clips to show the Soda Popper's Hype gauge usage both for primarily horizontal and vertical movement separately, as I felt this gives a better idea of how it can be utilized.
Kibblekip (talk) 01:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. I think the initial clip doesn't need the Hype jumps, though. No need to redo for that.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Aye yeah, I mostly included that given it was in the existing demonstration; didn't know why it was in that either but felt it was safer to include just incase.
Kibblekip T | C 23:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I should have answered before. For the 3 clips section, please modify the huditemeffectmeter_sodapopper.res file and move the meter above the ammo. Now, this scene is kinda confusing, so make 2 scenes, in the first show only the increased firing speed (vs the scattergun) and in the second only the increased reload speed (vs the fan) · Ashe (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
As in have a scene with the Scattergun & Soda Popper (firing speed), a scene with the FaN & Soda Popper (reload speed), and then the three guns together like it is currently (aside from edited HUD)? Personally I feel the existing trio of clips gets the stat differences across reasonably enough, but if you feel it would be more appropriate to have them separated first I'll do that, sure.
Kibblekip T | C 19:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I've uploaded an updated version that showcases the firing speed and the reload speed separately, and re-did the 3 clips section to fix the HUD (and to not inspect the FaN, as it was already shown and inspected earlier). I hope this suffices.
Kibblekip T | C 22:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Remove the 3 clip section. It is no longer necessary · Ashe (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've updated the demonstration to remove said section.
Kibblekip T | C 20:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Widowmaker Widowmaker

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show that metal is not gained when shooting disguised spies.
Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 17:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Ubersaw Ubersaw

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Pictogram comment.png Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.

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I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so Ashe will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Added updated ver. Myrmxa (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.
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Machina Machina , Shooting Star Shooting Star

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Machina Shooting Star

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Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. Andreng (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.
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Ap-Sap Ap-Sap , Snack Attack Snack Attack , Red-Tape Recorder Red-Tape Recorder

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Pictogram comment.png Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.

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Battery Canteens Battery Canteens

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Pictogram comment.png Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.

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Neon Annihilator Neon Annihilator

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show critical hits from the gas passer and damage vs stock.
Demonstration link

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I've added an additional clip showing damage vs players being lower. I added a clip of the Jarate + Gas Passer too. In the Sniper clip in the sewers I also show that the Neon Annihilator changes to a damaged state. I'm also concerned about the third and second to last clips having a bit of a fast transition to the next clip. Otherwise, it should be good. Also note that Cheddar played the Engineer and had trouble getting out of the water.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 14:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

The old version of the Engineer wetness clips with the outdoor lakes seemed to work better with smoothness of the comparisons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I think that's simply because of how awkward one of the clips is about getting out of the water. I can definitely improve it if needed.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
I think it is worth redoing the clips. Preferably, I think the water should be that pond like in the other Neon Annihilation video. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
I don't know which map that was on, I have a feeling it is Watchtower, though. I think I can redo the clip just fine on tr_karma, but with a smoother exit from the water.
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Unleashed Rage Unleashed Rage

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Pictogram comment.png Updated Taunt: Unleashed Rage to fix incorrect outro timing.
Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Unusualifier Unusualifier

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Pictogram comment.png Current video has the shadowplay icon in the bottom right while showing the taunt
Demonstration link

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I've matched the sound and everything up to the old one, the only noticeable thing is maybe a jump in background ambience as tr_target_weaponref_hdr uses a different ambience. I can re-record on there if necessary.
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Classic Classic

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Pictogram comment.png Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]
Pictogram comment.png Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.

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Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)

Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in the current video.

  1. Inspect the rifle
  2. Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
  3. Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
  4. Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
  5. Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
  6. Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
  7. Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
  8. Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
  9. Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
  10. Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
  11. Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
  12. Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
  13. Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
  14. Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
  15. Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
  16. Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
  17. Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
  18. Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
  19. Taunt.

Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1

Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.

  1. Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
  2. Move forward to the garage door.

Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2

Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.

  1. Begin charging the right-hand side.
  2. For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
  3. Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.

Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling

Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.

  1. Aim straight.
  2. Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
  3. Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
  4. Scope and jump.
  5. Unscope the Classic.
  6. Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  7. Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
  8. Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.

Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.

  1. Charge the Classic.
  2. Fall while still charging.
  3. Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.

Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.

  1. Charge the Classic.
  2. Fall while still charging.
  3. Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.

Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".

  1. Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
  2. Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)

Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.

(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)

  1. Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
  2. Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.

There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Reserve Shooter Reserve Shooter

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.

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Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
Kibblekip T | C 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Time Out Therapy Time Out Therapy

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Pictogram comment.png Materials were updated on September 16, 2021 Patch and the mug is now team-colored, the cross is red or blue.
Demonstration link

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Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 23:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks · Ashe (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Battin' A Thousand Battin' A Thousand

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Pictogram comment.png Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.

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Meet the Medic (taunt) Meet the Medic (taunt)

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Pictogram comment.png Show the taunt with all of the mediguns similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.
Demonstration link

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Looks good.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Southern Hospitality Southern Hospitality

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Pictogram comment.png Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

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Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).
Kibblekip T | C 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Invis Watch Invis Watch , Cloak and Dagger Cloak and Dagger

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Pictogram comment.png Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

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Quäckenbirdt Quäckenbirdt

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Pictogram comment.png Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.

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While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.
Kibblekip T | C 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Warrior's Spirit Warrior's Spirit

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Pictogram comment.png Does not show damage against players vs stock

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Team Fortress Classic

TFC Crowbar.PNGCrowbar (Classic) Crowbar (Classic)

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Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate damage and maximum range

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TFC p nailgun.pngNailgun (Classic) Nailgun (Classic)

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Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range
Pictogram comment.png Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil

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Questions and Proposals

Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the Need to be Redone section above and it will be dealt with.

Item icon Voodoo-Cursed Heavy Soul.png Zombie Infection Zombies

Pictogram comment.png Zombies have different abillities than normal players.

Hello, I am Slimyboi500. I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.

Why, you may ask? Unlike normal gamemodes, the BLU team (or in this case, the zombies), have different abillities than normal:

They also have different effects, like different amounts of health and speed. The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.

Let me know if it's a good idea or not.


Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities. I feel like it would be a good idea. Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Still, is that a yes on the idea?
----Slimyboi500 (talk) User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. Profiteer was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the backlog...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — Tark 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it
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Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at leastProfiteer(奸商)the tryhard (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH

When Saxton Hale used Flippin' Awesome or Skullcracker, the other mercenary participating the taunt will be taunt killed, is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --AlexT 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? Headphones style when? - User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.pngUser Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png - User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Configs for partner taunt demonstrations

I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

New tr_karma and requirements

I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:

  • Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
  • Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
  • Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
  • Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
  • Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
  • Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
  • Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB

The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are here. Check them out and give feedback · Ashe (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event

When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It works fine on my end.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · Ashe (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · Ashe (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about 2D and 3D player models

A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · Ashe (talk) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mastercomfig question

I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Closed Captions/Subtitles

Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the pomson video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.

Looking at youtube supported formats I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found this open source editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing. - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.

On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. Subtitle editor permissions exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000 Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software aegisub and a corresponding converter app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an example for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me days. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video (c this video - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — Tark 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an API. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

  • Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
  • Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
  • Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
  • Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
  • Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
  • Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

  • Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
  • Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
  • Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
  • King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
  • MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
  • Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
  • Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
  • Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
  • Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Pictogram minus.png Con My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the "Obtaining Achievements" type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.pngTalkMy Edits 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, Steam Achievement Manager is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are "too basic," this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: weapons can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, taunts can be freely previewed in the Mann Co. Store, all the cosmetic videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated "properly," this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is "interesting" is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — Tark 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I've updated the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in changelog.txt. Feel free to give them a glance! (Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.) $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)


Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project

Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of @Anonymus0 decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably Yossef, to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.

Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created. Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:

1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found here. 2nd map is called backup_final (keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim) and its demonstration video is here. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see here. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found here. The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map Wind tunnel is oldest/earliest one that I created, while tr_lol is my final one. As you can see, Wind tunnel and Backup final are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, much greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki. Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png (Wind Tunnel), User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png (tr_karma), User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png (tr_lol)

Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.

Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:

  • Lack of proper bot programs: It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
  • No damage indicators: Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.

That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work.
CheddarTalk 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the Foxbot bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called waypoint tags, and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command botsdontshoot ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing. While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like this
Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command mp_respawn_time doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the botcam command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the Foxbot download site, it seems that a botdontmove command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is a way to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for Chemistry set, it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [1] Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something is possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)