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Contents
- 1 Request regarding RIFT pre-order weapon itemboxes
- 2 Kill icon — update article
- 3 Cleaning sandbox articles out of categories
- 4 Remove Kill Icons on Update Pages
- 5 BLU team images on class pages
- 6 Show preview template
- 7 Featured articles navigator
- 8 Audio Weapon Files Integration Discussion
- 9 Promotional Update Pages
- 10 Related-Achievement Multilanguage Template?(links for classes...)
- 11 Note tag
- 12 Image name consistancy
- 13 Map_infobox improvements
- 14 А вы сидите здесь ради редкой шапки Official Wiki ?
- 15 Russian sounds (responses)
- 16 Trivial clipping?
- 17 Link the Updates in the Hat Tables
- 18 The new evaluation system
Request regarding RIFT pre-order weapon itemboxes
I figure this is the best place to post this, so here goes. I just recently changed the quality
field of the itemboxes on Sharpened Volcano Fragment and Sun-On-A-Stick to genuine
, as that is the only quality it comes in (at the moment). However, I'm not too familiar with any language other than English (100% pure Canadian, eh), and as such, I don't want to mess anything up by changing the item box quality on the other language pages for the RIFT Pre-order weapons.
So my request is simple. If you're familiar with one of the many languages that are used on this Wiki, please edit the different language versions of Sharpened Volcano Fragment and Sun-On-A-Stick, and add the following fields to the itembox, in the pages respective language:
| quality = genuine
| loadout-name = Sun-On-A-Stick
, for Sun-On-A-Stick (translated to the proper language of the page of course)| loadout-name = Sharpened Volcano Fragment
, for Sharpened Volcano Fragment (again, translated to the proper language of the page of course) 404 User Not Found 18:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ahhhh, alrighty. It's just, on the English pages, when only the quality was added, it added the prefix "Genuine The". When the loadout-name part was added, it fixed the issue and now it properly says "Genuine". I just wanted to make sure that all the various other language versions of Sun-On-A-Stick and Sharpened Volcano Fragment got updated with the proper quality. 404 User Not Found 18:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Kill icon — update article
I propose that the "Kill icon" article be updated. I have prepared the new version. It is more convenient and informative. You guys can find it here. — VeKoB 19:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I'll give my support for now, but you need to update your page to include some Kill Icons you missed, such as the 3 alternate Sharpened Volcano Fragment kill icons (for the Afterburn effect, it uses a flamethrower kill icon based on which flamethrower you have equipped) 404 User Not Found 20:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment Done. — VeKoB
21:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Oppose From my perspective, your new version is neither more convenient nor informative, you just added images to everything. In fact, you've made it more confusing by unnecessarily separating icons out in the "Extra icons" section. Whilst I think the images look nice for the weapons, it starts to look fairly ugly when you start squeezing in stuff like the Critical Hits and Bleed images. Also, I see no reason to separate out the Taunt icons, it just makes the article unnecessarily longer. I would, however, support a tasteful implementation of images to the weapons on the existing article. --Ten19 06:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I actually prefer VeKoB's suggestion because I think it is good to have images of the weapons with the icons. However a lot of what has been said in the above comment does need to be addressed. I think most of the stuff that is in the extra icons section should just be with their respective items, so have the baseball icon or alongside the sandman icon for example. Really if you kept the old table categories but added images like in VeKoB's, that would be good.
Scatman John
(Talk | Contrib) 19:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment Removed the "Extra icons" section. Now they are together with classes icons. Looks pretty good. — VeKoB
19:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Now that you've merged the "Extra icons" into the respective classes, it's perfect. i-ghost 20:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I like the new one better than the old one. I thought at first adding the images would make the chart too noisy, but you've placed them in good positions. Excellent job, VeKoB. Alsoodani 20:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment I still think the following changes should be made: (1) The size of the Sentry Gun images should be smaller so they don't blow out the rows. (2) Same goes for the Environmental icons, should be closer to the size of the weapon images. (3) There's still no reason to keep the taunts separate, they should go back in with each class. (4) No reason to have images with the Unused ones as it just makes it look messy. If those changes get made, I'd support it. —
Ten19 [T|C] 20:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment 1 and 2 are made. Nothing more! — VeKoB
15:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I really like this, and I like how the items are ordered (primary then secondary then melee), much better than alphabetical order. -- OluapPlayer (t)
15:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Well it's cooler than the actual, so go on! (one more table to upate in french XD).
Tturbo (T/C)
Cleaning sandbox articles out of categories
My tireless quest to maintain tidy categories rages on. Any objections to me removing user namespace sandbox articles from categories? User:Zoolooman/Pyro-strategy and User:IGoing/Sandbox for example. I know the intent was to work on a potentially new articles with their corresponding categories, but there's no reason for them to be actually in those categories. --Ten19 06:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Oppose Rubbish. — VeKoB
08:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Um. Reason? --Ten19 08:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with this as long as you are commenting them out instead of removing them. seb26 [talk] 08:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- Aye, will be doing exactly that. --Ten19 08:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Remove Kill Icons on Update Pages
I've noticed that the kill icons have been added to the weapons list on most of the update pages. To keep with formating, I've added them to other update pages but are they really required? A class icon, weapon icon and name should be all the information you really need. It seems kind of pointless to just have there. Just thought I'd bring it up for discussion first before I removed them. ---- No-oneSpecial (talk | contribs) 11:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
BLU team images on class pages
I was looking for a good quality image of BLU team Medic, and it turns out... there isn't one on the entire Wiki. There's a few images that have BLU Medic in the image, but not at a good quality and not without a background. Why don't we have BLU team images on the class pages? It just seems like such an obvious thing to have, yet it's just not there. Would it be difficult to throw together 9 images and put the images at the bottom of the class page where the other class related images are? Balladofwindfishes 16:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Have them like tabs in the infoboxes so you can switch between the two. They'd have to be in the same positions though for the effect to be noticed.--Focusknock 20:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
This is good idea! Mar 00:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I agree. Tabber coding would be put to good use here. maggosh 03:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment We might hafta get a RED Spy Image though. The current one appears to be BLU as seen on the "Class Match-Up" Pages. Lancer anti-tank Rocket 12:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I'm for it. If I could make a suggestion (as seen on another wiki), the tabs to RED and BLU could be put above the infobox's picture (with BLU on top left and RED on top right, like on the HUD). HunterCham 13:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I also think this sounds like a good idea, assuming it doesn't require massive amounts of effort to implement. Flash 07:32, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Show preview template
I have taken the time to create an updated version of the Show preview template. The version I created links to the Recent Changes log, gives more than one reason for using the button, explains that a user can edit a whole page with the edit
tab, and thanks the user for doing so. I have also reduced the icon's size.
Note: It has already been discussed that translating this message is not a good idea; we are trying to promote using English on all talk pages.
Thank you for any input. Here is an example:
Old Show preview
Please make use of the Show preview button. It gives you a preview of the edit you are making, allowing you to perfect your changes before you save the page.
— minip 19:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
New Show preview
Please use the Show preview button; this feature enables an editor to preview changes before saving them. Constantly editing the same page will spam the Recent Changes log. It is possible to edit an entire page at once; this is done by clicking the
edit
tab located at the top of a page. Thank you for your cooperation.
— minip 19:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The newer text is misleading to new users in my opinion. It gives the impression that making multiple edits without preview is somehow going to flood or crash the RC logs. The message should give outline why it's better to use show preview instead of scaring people into it with exaggerations. seb26 [talk] 06:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Question Should I change the word "flood" to "spam"?
— minip 23:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Featured articles navigator
I have created a Featured articles navigator. This can be placed on the bottom of articles that have already been tagged at the top. I believe that adding this navigator to an article will highlight its coveted status. This will also enable localized users to quickly see what other articles have been featured, or what links need to be corrected. Since there is only one Featured articles page (that all Featured article tags link to,) this template will provide a browsing alternative for users who do not speak English.
This navigator is currently translated into four other languages.
Supported languages for this template: es, fr, pt-br, ru (add)
Here is an example:
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I appreciate any feedback. I purposely did not add any icons to the article names. Feel free to create your own copy of this navigator.
— minip 19:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- The navigator looks great and will be helpful to many. My only concern is what will go in it. Many of the old featured articles were either from the unofficial wiki, or if were put through the candidacy process today would not have made the cut. Additionally the featured article page itself has fallen into disrepair, as the Buff Banner section is still there even after its feature was a while ago. Therefore, before this navigator can be implemented and be of any use, I suggest a complete overhaul and at least a tidy up of the featured articles process altogether.--Focusknock 23:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- The featured article project is largely outdated and many articles currently classified as 'featured' are in a rather bad state. The ones currently linked from the nav seem to be articles that fitted nicely on the Main Page. I don't think it's worthing linking to them for now. seb26 [talk] 06:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- I noticed this as well, I only included the articles from the Previously featured section. Some other pages marked as "Featured" are indeed in a rather bad state.
— minip 23:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- I noticed this as well, I only included the articles from the Previously featured section. Some other pages marked as "Featured" are indeed in a rather bad state.
Audio Weapon Files Integration Discussion
So my Dream is an extra Link on every class(all 9) article. Should look like this:
- Scout Weapons Sound <- something like this.
- Scout taunts
- Scout responses ...etc.
Why? -It get's more and more important to know, what Weapon the enemy has. A Soldier with a Black Box only has 3 shots, that's your advantage. Or a Pyro with Degreaser u can hurt him a little longer... etc. Every time you hear the enemies weapon before you see him is good for you. If you can distinguish the Weapons by it's original sound you have an advantage. I don't see any weapon-sound-class related article's here. So i'm in need for help. I have almost no template skills, i know how to extract the audio file and can distinguish them, but that's it. Would like to have an open discussion and hope you all can help me.
This Editor is undead, be advised to shoot him in the head.
Nope This has been suggested before. The Weapon Demonstration project already sufficiently covers weapon sounds as part of the videos. — nVis (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- nVis wrong wrong wrong, videos are not equal to the original weapon sounds. why? youtube reduce original sounds and video quality to make videos watchable. that's why i suggested original audio upload on the wiki so you don't need to rely on youtube. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Godlike11219 (talk) • (contribs)
- There's no way a YouTube video reduces audio quality to the extent that one can't tell what a weapon sounds like. Toomai Glittershine 18:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Godlike11219 is wrong wrong wrong. We have videos. That's good enough. And last I checked, the Wiki isn't meant to be used as a training camp for TF2 super soldiers who can pick up on weapon sounds and instantly go into defense mode. 404 User Not Found 19:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Because of no good responses, I'm gonna drop this idea. I just thought for modder and other guys it would/could be interesting to get the audio files of one gun or action, to put it in another game or modificate his gun sound in tf2. But anyways u can put my idea into archive. NoWhereMan(DSvY) "Ich machen liebe Lannnnng" 04:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Promotional Update Pages
I think we should make a page for each promtional update eg: the recent Rift update, it will have the things that were added, details about it, and maybe even a bit about the game itself, and the main picture could be the picture for that update on the blog.
- I think this page and this page cover it well enough? —
Moussekateer·talk 10:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Related-Achievement Multilanguage Template?(links for classes...)
As some of you know i don't know many things that are discussed elsewhere, so please don't say it is already discussed and stuff, i just want to ask....
Black_Box#Related_Achievements <--this is nicely done, the Picture of the Class, and the Classname are linked correctly to the class wikipage. But if you look at the german text --> Black_Box/de#Zugehörige_Errungenschaften , it has no linkin no picture in it. My Question is not about how to edit it and make it look like the english one. It is about a general template for all classes, for the achievment-related weapon pages, so you don't need to edit every weapon article with my own hands or a bot....For germans even the picture link must be: link=Pyro/de for example, in many german wiki articles you get to the english wikipage because it is not correctly linked. I really would like a template with language switches, if there is not already one i'm overlookins, soooo what about my idea? Bad, Bader, a nightmare? NoWhereMan(DSvY) "Ich machen liebe Lannnnng" 23:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- See
{{Class link}}
— Wind 23:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Note tag
This template was created for noting various pieces of information. This tag promotes a consistent format throughout all pages, it uses a style similar to that of the Wikipedia Tutorial.
Supported languages for this template: en, pl, pt-br, ro (add)
{{User:Minip/Template:Note|Noted information here.}}
en:
Note: N/D: No Damage. - N/A: Not Available. - HP: Health. - sec.: Seconds. - N/R: No Range. - ∞: Unlimited.
pt-br:
Nota: N/D: Sem dano. - N/A: Não disponível. - HP: Vida. - seg.: Segundos. - N/R: Sem distância. - ∞: Ilimitado.
Thank you for any feedback. I am looking for help with the translation portion of this project.
— minip 07:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Image name consistancy
This is going to be a long one if we do it, but I propose we fix the current image names so that they have a consistant format. What I mean by this is best described by the maps list from the Classless Update.
Game Mode | Image | Map Name | File Name |
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Viaduct | koth_viaduct | |
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Sawmill | koth_sawmill | |
Nucleus | koth_nucleus | ||
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Sawmill | ctf_sawmill | |
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Offblast | arena_offblast_final | |
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Yukon | cp_yukon_final |
The images are named: Viaduct_01.jpg, kothsawmill.jpg, Nucleus.PNG, CTF Sawmill Center.png, offblast_01.jpg and CP_Yukon_overview.png.
I'm not saying all of the images need to be the same file type, I'm saying we should have some consistancy when naming the actual images, such as using all lowercase, whether we use spaces or underscores ect. I just think it would really help with coding of current later pages so you don't have to go to the maps page and look at the coding to find out what it was obscurely named. ---- No-oneSpecial (talk | contribs) 06:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Consistancy can really help with this sort of thing, and I have had trouble like this before as well whilst trying to find certain images because they didn't use consistant names. Perhaps an image naming guideline page would be useful as well?
Scatman John
(Talk | Contrib) 08:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment In case of images, underscores are equivalent to spaces; image links work either way. That said, I've noticed the inconsistency in naming too, and I think it's part of a bigger problem: the map articles in general are an inconsistent bunch. Hopefully the upcoming map demonstration project will help clean the pages up. —
nVis 08:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Yes, this is a very good idea. As someone who uploads a lot of images for the map articles I find it would be much easier to stick to a consistent naming system. ~Garticuno♥(talk) 08:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support. I think, however, that it should not be enforced as if it were a set of strict rules but as a set of general naming guidelines for some direction to avoid File:Cpdustbowlstage2point20004.jpg and the like. We shouldn't use this to scare away new people who are only trying to upload a couple of screenshots. Also it should be noted that though that most map images can be found by browsing each map's category from Category:Images by map and the filename itself can be found by simply hovering over the image. seb26 [talk] 08:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support It is also partly due to Valve, and not having consistent file names. But it would be a good idea to set some guidelines, or maybe an easier way to rename a picture, other than moving it and making the old image a redirect. MogDog66
t c p || 22:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Support I do support this, but what I think you're aiming for here is a large complete overhaul of every image name. I never bother with images so, I'm not sure if those can be edited purely on the Wiki or are stored when you upload the image. But I digress, if you're going to do this, make it a complete overhaul on how to name images when you upload them for articles. If you don't, we're going back to square one.
Fendermcbender 22:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Map_infobox improvements
User:Kid Of The Century/Sandbox/Template:Map infobox 2
Any suggestion? Opinions? --Kid Of The Century 11:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- Looks too busy really, too much info in one box methinks. —
Moussekateer·talk 17:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- I like it. -- OluapPlayer (t)
17:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- So do I. Final verdict; awesome flick. maggosh 18:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I've added also the "No. of Stages". To Mousse: I purposedly crammed the infobox with infos, mostly to find out which ones are useful and which are superfluous. Personally I'd merge "Setting" with "Weather", having a single entry that says "daylight, clear".--Kid Of The Century 10:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
OK, I wasn't very pleased with the all-text previous version. So, tell me what you think. --Kid Of The Century 18:31, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
А вы сидите здесь ради редкой шапки Official Wiki ?
Я вот например да, а вы?— The preceding unsigned comment was added by FaERoN (talk) • (contribs)
- In English? —
Moussekateer·talk 17:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Russian sounds (responses)
Ok main problem in our /ru responses pages that we didnt have alot of sounds in wiki base. There are divergences in transfers and official russian sounds. So my question is: Can i upload official missing(russian) sounds and then use them to re-edit pages?
Rins (talk | contribs) 17:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- There is already a lot of them. Try use this page to find them. And be careful: a lot of sound files do not have Russian translation. DrAkcel (T | C) 11:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Trivial clipping?
The last few weeks, it seems many of the bugs sections of many pages have been getting absolutely trivial clipping "issues" being added as bugs. I understand they're bugs... but honestly, is it even worth noting that the Targe slightly clips every so often when taunting with the bottle? I mean... where does it end? Do we note that heavy's fingers clip slightly while taunting with his miniguns? Or how Bonk clips into Scout's lips very slightly when he drinks? How about we start listing every single area of a map where the player can clip slightly into the wall? I'd say there's a few major clipping issues worth noting (Spy mask with fez for example, blighted beak, loch n load, jag, stuff like that is worth noting). I think going forward, clipping issues, and I use the term "issue lightly", should be more carefully added. Some of them just seem to be nit picking, especially since every single 3D video game ever made has clipping. Some aspects of modeling even require clipping Balladofwindfishes 01:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- I can see where you're coming from but I don't exactly agree. Granted, there are certain clipping issues that are completely impossible to avoid, such as with walls, during animations and such. However, a clipping issues should be considered more where it is so jarring obvious that a reasonable person would be able to spot it and note it. The targe one, I would agree, is not easily findable, but other things people in the past have scoffed at would definitely fit the bill. Caution should be exercised, yes, but not to the extent that is done with trivia.--Focusknock 23:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Link the Updates in the Hat Tables
We're all about connecting related information together so why not link the related updates in the hat tables. So from this:
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To this:
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Thoughts? ---- No-oneSpecial (talk | contribs) 20:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. Not sure why this hasn't happened already.
Support I like it, it's brilliant, hire this man. -- Alsoodani 20:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Why not~ — Wind 21:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Support Just change "Classless" to "Classless Update" and it would be just perfect. --LordKelvin 23:51, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
The new evaluation system
I want to offer the new evaluation system for user actions. You can praise and criticize the users in accordance with their actions.
Of course, you can write to the user something like this "Your edits are very bad !!!! lol stop plz", but it's not very correct form.
You guys can find my project here. As you can see there's source code and how it looks when you write it.
Maybe it's not perfect, but I wish that this was available to all. — VeKoB 20:22, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think canned responses are a good idea. In case of
{{sp}}
it's warranted because it's something a lot of new users have to learn the hard way, but generally speaking, every case should be considered individually. Instead of posting a message saying "bad edit", tell the editor why you think it's bad. On the other hand, if you just want let the user know you appreciate their work, there are already ways to do that. —nVis 21:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
- I would get a bad one, but i'm willed to improve myself and was told by Lagg to think more, longer, be calm, and then start writing. I try that, and most of the time I end with a failure, but hey i can edit it out somehow... I think your idea would scare people away and the wiki would have less editors. I for myself know only a handfull germans here, and the most of them are not long here, i think they would quit if someone says:"bad boy!" to them. But as a reward you can post at peoples userpage and give them a cookie or whatever and say "good boy!". I'm myself just hope for more german coordination and support in the wiki, but we are only a few with a lot of ambition but no great plan, only speakin for me.
NoWhereMan(godlike11219)
21:51, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
- I would get a bad one, but i'm willed to improve myself and was told by Lagg to think more, longer, be calm, and then start writing. I try that, and most of the time I end with a failure, but hey i can edit it out somehow... I think your idea would scare people away and the wiki would have less editors. I for myself know only a handfull germans here, and the most of them are not long here, i think they would quit if someone says:"bad boy!" to them. But as a reward you can post at peoples userpage and give them a cookie or whatever and say "good boy!". I'm myself just hope for more german coordination and support in the wiki, but we are only a few with a lot of ambition but no great plan, only speakin for me.
- It's so hard to get the wikichievements because no one who dares. It is very rare. But with this method, there is a kind of mini-social life, where everyone can praise other. And of course you should not use these messages if you do not want, just insert the right place when you see fit, this is purely your decision... — VeKoB
09:02, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- It's so hard to get the wikichievements because no one who dares. It is very rare. But with this method, there is a kind of mini-social life, where everyone can praise other. And of course you should not use these messages if you do not want, just insert the right place when you see fit, this is purely your decision... — VeKoB